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Jonny JoJo
Amarr
The Imperial Guards
Posted - 2007.12.02 23:00:00 - [1]
 

How does the new Amarr Sentinel compare? I am thinking about what types of pvp scenario that it can be used it more effective than another ship. Anyone care to comment from Sisi?

Teimur Leng
Posted - 2007.12.03 00:35:00 - [2]
 

If used rightly in gang situations it could possible leech all the targets cap thereby breaking active tanks and stopping hybrid / laser dps.

I think its the worst of all the Electronic Attack frigs....

Talla Hurzin
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.12.03 00:46:00 - [3]
 

The Arbitrator can do the same job on a studier platform, with less cost. The Sentinel looks good on paper but in practice it has very little defense against.. well, everything.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.12.03 01:19:00 - [4]
 

the sentinel?


let's just say that it's as usefull as a neut retribution.


it seems good on paper, but why punish yourself by flying one when you can do much better and for a fraction of the price in a arbi?

Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.12.03 02:31:00 - [5]
 

The same applies to all the Ewarfrigs imo, its a low sp entery into Ewar or a fun toy to support AFs, not really a sturdy enough platform.

Anon Forumalt
Posted - 2007.12.03 03:10:00 - [6]
 

A good way to think of it is that it looks good on paper, but in practice isn't very good.

Brea Lafail
Posted - 2007.12.03 03:27:00 - [7]
 

What they said.

The minmatar one might be good, other than that... we'll see.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.12.03 03:51:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Brea Lafail
What they said.

The minmatar one might be good, other than that... we'll see.


from all 4 is the only one that does something "unique"

the keres' increased warp scram range is a bit meh, since the tackling inties, altho with shorter range, can do it more cheaply and have more survivability. I won't even mention damps since they will become less than desireable after the ARM changes.

the Kitsune would be good, if it had better base targetting range. atm you even slap a multispec with EAS lvl1 and you're already over the ship's range. tbh the griffin is cheaper and does the same job with better targetting range.

and the sentinel is pants.

Phaedruss
Rat Katchers inc.
Posted - 2007.12.03 04:01:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Phaedruss on 03/12/2007 12:13:30
With the low skill reqs needed, fleets of these EW frigs are going to take over Eve! What are they going to cost anyway?

Seriously tho, the ship type in their current form could be extremely useful (but really only survivable) in gangs. The other three race's ships all seem to do their job fairly well...extended ranges on webs/scrams are always useful, damps while horribly nerfed will work ok against un-sensor boosted targets, and the ECM ship might work ok.

Which brings us to one of the many problems that the Curse and Pilgrim suffer from. They were solo killing machines with limited use in gangs because cap on a primaried target isn't usually a big issue and tracking disrupters had limited application (and after Trinity will be gimped further). The Sentinel? Hardly a solo ship and it'll have an extremely narrow window of usefulness based on target size, type and gang composition.

NCP S2
Posted - 2007.12.03 04:07:00 - [10]
 

I see it as a good anti inty platform. Sucking them dry would be great for escapes. Other than that... might put a dent into active tanks or hybrid/laser ships *shrug* to be honest I don't think any of the new frigs will be anywhere close to considered solo machines.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.12.03 04:13:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Phaedruss
With the low skill reqs needed, fleets of these EW frigs are going to take over Eve! What are they going to cost anyway?

Seriously tho, the ship type in their current form could be extremely useful (and really on survivable) in gangs. The other three race's ships all seem to do their job fairly well...extended ranges on webs/scrams are always useful, damps while horribly nerfed will work ok against un-sensor boosted targets, and the ECM ship might work ok.


but that's the problem.

if I want to get increased warpjam range in a small package, an ares/raptor/malediction/stilleto will be cheaper, faster, and consequently more surviveable.

if I want ECM, a griffin jams farther, and if I want more jams, a BB can do it for a fraction of the price.

if I want nos/drones combo, the arbitrator does the job aswell for a fraction of the price.

even the hyena, the "better" EAS can be nothing more than a stepstone to the rapier/huginn.

also, you say that damps will be ok vs non-sensor boosted targets.

yes, if you want to drop their 100km range to 80km range or so, or increase the guy's locking range in 1 or 2 seconds.

and TD's are LOL tbh.


in sum, the EAS are like the Afrigs: you can find cheaper ways of do what they are supposed to do.

Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.03 05:06:00 - [12]
 

I think it will be too soon to actually say "will it be worth it" or not.

The Arbi is sturdier than the Sentinel, and it features more damage.
On the other hand the sentinel is smaller and faster (which means it benefits more from its tracking disruptors) and has a longer neut/nos range.
Also, from what I've seen, for frigates the EAFs are quite sturdy with a good base speed and plenty of resists.

The Keres benefits in a similar manner (fast locking speeds and small signature radius. How long will it take for a dual-damped battleship/cruiser to lock the Keres?), as does the Kitsune.
The Hyena, it all depends on the price really. It's a mini-rapier. If the price is scaled in a similar manner.

All of them will of course be valuable additions to fast roaming frigate gangs where you simply can't use anything as lumbering as the 1600mm plate "Fortress" arbi.

Overall, while the EAFs are heavy their base speed and good E-war means that they'll never be as useless as Assault Ships.

Zhecao Vai
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.12.03 05:22:00 - [13]
 

Why would you fit an Arbitrator with neuts?

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.12.03 10:46:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
I think it will be too soon to actually say "will it be worth it" or not.

The Arbi is sturdier than the Sentinel, and it features more damage.
On the other hand the sentinel is smaller and faster (which means it benefits more from its tracking disruptors) and has a longer neut/nos range.
Also, from what I've seen, for frigates the EAFs are quite sturdy with a good base speed and plenty of resists.


so are the AF's, and you don't see them much arround. TD's were nerfed to hell with ARM by losing 50% of their efficiency. also, to maintain the 3 neuts, the sentinel will have to sacrifice tank to fit CPR's and such. their range is not that stellar too, even with the bonus.

Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
The Keres benefits in a similar manner (fast locking speeds and small signature radius. How long will it take for a dual-damped battleship/cruiser to lock the Keres?), as does the Kitsune.


The keres will be pre-nerfed in trinity due to the nerf of the damps. damps were hit by a 70% axe making them ****-poor excuses of damps. honestly. a T2 damp in trinity looks more like a basic damp with it's staggering 17%, not a T1. I won't even talk about T1 and it's 15.5%. But what about the warp scrambling range bonus? well an inty will be able to do the same job, for less isk and it will be more survivable and faster.
The kitsune also comes pre-nerfed with a targetting range inferior to the T1 hull, which creates the interesting situation of having a multispec outrange your own targetting range with EAS skill lvl1. Considering that ECM will also have the cap cut off by 40%, the griffin with the same frig bonuses of strength and cap consumption (it doesn't have the range and cap capacity bonus that the kitsune has however...), altho it has one less med slot, it still is better since you can target at 75km range or so, meaning it does make use of ECM at its full.
Of course that you can slap a sensor booster in the kitsune, but by that time you're better off flying a BB.

Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
The Hyena, it all depends on the price really. It's a mini-rapier. If the price is scaled in a similar manner.
tbh the hyena is the only one with some sort of role that isn't overshadowed by other cheaper options. Alpha web role is something that can be usefull indeed.


Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Overall, while the EAFs are heavy their base speed and good E-war means that they'll never be as useless as Assault Ships.


they might have a better speed than the AF's, but, for example, a sentinel, can only go at 2.4km/sec with a mwd.
not a stellar speed, considering that I can push a deimos past that speed.

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2007.12.03 10:49:00 - [15]
 

that thing is only good at killing t1 cruiser or frigs cap... ceptors dont want to get close to this one :P

N1fty
Galactic Shipyards Inc
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2007.12.03 11:17:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Riho
that thing is only good at killing t1 cruiser or frigs cap... ceptors dont want to get close to this one :P


And this is what it's for. It's an anti-support ship, just like the Amarr recons.

Perry
Amarr
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.12.03 11:25:00 - [17]
 

Arbitrator looks better.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2007.12.03 11:46:00 - [18]
 

The selling point for me is the 60m3 drone bay with ability to use 4 lights/2 mediums.

I think it has great potential as counter-tackler. Neutralisers to shut down the mwd and 4 drones to remove the pest. All the while disrupting a bigger ships guns.

As proper e-war/damage support, its cruiser brethren will do a better job though.


Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.12.03 11:55:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
As proper e-war/damage support, its cruiser brethren will do a better job though.


exactly.

what stops the arbi of using T2 warriors to sweep out the enemy's frigs for example? it will even do a better job with the extra light drone it can field (and extra 3 mediums), than the sentinel.

Deaf Luggage
Minmatar
The Feminists
Posted - 2007.12.03 12:02:00 - [20]
 

If Mwd is an essential module, then a ship that can switch off Mwds from 20km must be essential too.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.12.03 12:04:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Deaf Luggage
If Mwd is an essential module, then a ship that can switch off Mwds from 20km must be essential too.



you can't reach that range with neuts/nosfs in a sentinel.

Shevar
Minmatar
Target Practice incorporated
Posted - 2007.12.03 12:08:00 - [22]
 

Sentinel will be good against frigs in 1:1 situations, the question is though how useful is that?

Simply said every other EAS will be more useful.

MrRookie
M. Corp
M. PIRE
Posted - 2007.12.03 13:00:00 - [23]
 


They are still frigs. For some fast frig roaming I think all the new Ewar frigs are good aditions. You can always argument that the Scorp is more cost effective than any other ewar ships, but that would be pointless

LeGuy
Posted - 2007.12.03 13:08:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Brea Lafail




and the sentinel is pants.


???

I never heard that expression before, that made me laugh.

A+

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.12.03 13:26:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: MrRookie

They are still frigs. For some fast frig roaming I think all the new Ewar frigs are good aditions. You can always argument that the Scorp is more cost effective than any other ewar ships, but that would be pointless


well in terms of cost-effectiveness, tbh in comparision, the sentinel is rather.. "unique", but an arbi would do the job much better.
kitsune vs the griffin, it's defenitely the griffin, since you can do pratically the same thing as the kitsune, altho at longer range.
the Keres might have a better range on scrammers, but the intys are a better tool.
only the hyena comes on top in terms of cost-effectiveness tbh.

Skiving Larry
Posted - 2007.12.03 13:37:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Anon Forumalt
A good way to think of it is that it looks good on paper, but in practice isn't very good.


HTF do you know? people don't fit and fly the same on Sisi as TQ, so we only really have 'on paper' to go by.


Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Tague Corp
Posted - 2007.12.03 13:51:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Skiving Larry
Originally by: Anon Forumalt
A good way to think of it is that it looks good on paper, but in practice isn't very good.


HTF do you know? people don't fit and fly the same on Sisi as TQ, so we only really have 'on paper' to go by.




It isn't very good. Look at the alternatives: ECM, Damping, Webbing Bonuses. All useful....on the other hand a Nos, Neuting Frig? No thanks.

Gartel Reiman
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2007.12.03 14:02:00 - [28]
 

Well, the Sentinel will be able to drain 60 cap/s, sustainably... add to that its tracking disruptors and its small size & high speed, and it is nigh-on impossible to hit for larger ships. As part of a gang that is trying to break a strong (active) tank, I would imagine 60 cap/s has a massive effect, possibly comparable to another battleship's worth of damage in terms of how quickly the tank will crumble.

Plus I've always thought that tracking disruptors were underrated, especially when used by smaller, faster ships. All in all I would definitely be hesitant to write this off, and will be playing around with it a bit after Trinity hits. I have a feeling it would be a very interesting addition to a smallish gang...

Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Tague Corp
Posted - 2007.12.03 14:16:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Twilight Moon on 03/12/2007 14:15:55
Originally by: Gartel Reiman
As part of a gang that is trying to break a strong (active) tank, I would imagine 60 cap/s has a massive effect, possibly comparable to another battleship's worth of damage in terms of how quickly the tank will crumble.


No, I really don't think so, given that strong active tanks will be using Cap boosters. You time your reps to follow your boost, any cap drain after you get your reps in is not going to make a difference to your tanking, however it will partially affect now often the tanking ship can fire, if its weaponry uses cap.

Wu Jiun
State War Academy
Posted - 2007.12.03 14:27:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Gartel Reiman
Well, the Sentinel will be able to drain 60 cap/s, sustainably... add to that its tracking disruptors and its small size & high speed, and it is nigh-on impossible to hit for larger ships.



Would you mind sharing that setup? I don't see how that might be possible atm.


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