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Valron Xizor
The Xizor Cartel
Posted - 2007.11.22 12:29:00 - [1]
 

I posted this in another thread but feel it deserves its own.

After reading a ton of stuff on this subject, it became obvious that the loss sustained by the gankers is insignificant to that sustained by the hauler / freighter. Now no matter what your views are on ganking they're not breaking any rules. They are accepting that concord is going to kill them but only after they kill their prey.

So how can you beat them? Well if you're webbed and being pounded on, chances are your already dead, so I'm thinking more along the lines of playing them at their own game. Suicide.

My idea is simple. It srikes me that these guys sit around popular trading hubs in 0.5 systems becuase there's not so many concord on the gate and they take longer to arrive. So maybe set up a chanel reporting their location.

Now take take one of your alts, put them in a noob ship with a cheap gun and head out to their gate camp. Lock someone and start shooting. Concord will arrive and send you home in a pod. There will now be a decent number of concord ships at the gate making a hauler suicide gank extremely difficult.

Now I've not tested this out so I dont know how long concord hang around and I base this idea on a forum post giving tips on how to gank, so if this wont work, say.

You are using the exact same in game mechanics as them.

Enjoy.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2007.11.22 12:32:00 - [2]
 

This will work excellently, especially if you do it shortly before you plan to jump through with your hauler/freighter. Be aware though, that the same rule that applies to suicide gankers apply to you, so you can't recycle your alt after his sec status drops too low. That is deemed an exploit.

Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2007.11.22 12:39:00 - [3]
 

most people who are ganked are afk flying.. so they would not be able to read upto date news on locations

Valron Xizor
The Xizor Cartel
Posted - 2007.11.22 12:43:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Xtreem
most people who are ganked are afk flying.. so they would not be able to read upto date news on locations


No the tactic wouldnt necessarily be used by the haulers, just people who are 'anti suicide gank' (there's alot of us) for [insert reason here]

If enough people do it regularly it might reduce the number of incidents and it will certainly make life difficult for the gankers. Might even move them from a specific area.

Sec hit shouldnt be an issue becuase you only take a small hit for engaging. Since you wont be killing anyone you dont lose the sec for that. Again if enough people do it, the sec hit will be spread among many.

YARRRR!! Yarr


Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2007.11.22 13:32:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Valron Xizor
No the tactic wouldnt necessarily be used by the haulers, just people who are 'anti suicide gank' (there's alot of us) for [insert reason here]

If enough people do it regularly it might reduce the number of incidents and it will certainly make life difficult for the gankers. Might even move them from a specific area.

Sec hit shouldnt be an issue becuase you only take a small hit for engaging. Since you wont be killing anyone you dont lose the sec for that. Again if enough people do it, the sec hit will be spread among many.

YARRRR!! Yarr




Agreed, and if you manage to get people to start doing this, you will have found an excellent counter to suicide ganks, all using in game mechanics. Congrats.

Kaaii
Caldari
Kaaii-Net Research Labs
KAAII-NET
Posted - 2007.11.22 14:05:00 - [6]
 



Is it the response time from Concord that insures there success? I don't know how long it takes for a freighter to be popped, but i thought that i read where a good alpha strike team can down one in under 40 secs....

If "pre-postioning" concord prior to jumping in saves the freighter, then this sounds like the easiest way to combat them.

Either that or encourage a bigger blob of gankers...


Matsui Hideki
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2007.11.22 14:35:00 - [7]
 

Pretty sure concord doesn't arrive if the noob ship gets blown up by the gate guns

Maximillian Power
Minmatar
Legio Immortalis
Posted - 2007.11.22 15:24:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Matsui Hideki
Pretty sure concord doesn't arrive if the noob ship gets blown up by the gate guns


Correct - also - concord will only stay on one gate in a system - so if you gank at one gate if they are already at another gate in that system then they despawn at the other gate iirc.

Matsui Hideki
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2007.11.22 15:25:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Maximillian Power
Originally by: Matsui Hideki
Pretty sure concord doesn't arrive if the noob ship gets blown up by the gate guns


Correct - also - concord will only stay on one gate in a system - so if you gank at one gate if they are already at another gate in that system then they despawn at the other gate iirc.


That is correct as well.

Recnac
Shades Corp
Posted - 2007.11.22 16:06:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Matsui Hideki
Originally by: Maximillian Power
Originally by: Matsui Hideki
Pretty sure concord doesn't arrive if the noob ship gets blown up by the gate guns


Correct - also - concord will only stay on one gate in a system - so if you gank at one gate if they are already at another gate in that system then they despawn at the other gate iirc.


That is correct as well.


so if the gankers already have concord busy as a moon then they aint gonna come running to save you, maybe this explain why people complain at the responce times for concord

Polly Math
E X O D U S
Posted - 2007.11.22 17:07:00 - [11]
 

only thing i dont like is that suicide gankers get insurance payout, which is stupid. just as getting insurance for self destructing your ship.

Kenneth McCoy
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.11.22 17:23:00 - [12]
 

Can you honestly tell me you've been 100% completely honest with your insurance company?


'How'd you lose your Domi, sir?'

'Oh, yeah man, that freighter just came out of warp so fast, I had no chance to stop. He took out a bunch of my buddies too, that insensitive prick. At least his ship blew up too after he recklessly destroyed ours!'

'That's a shame, here's your claim, better luck next time.'

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.11.22 18:02:00 - [13]
 

You'll need something that can tank the gate guns long enough for concord to warp in.. a noob ship won't cut it.

Polly Math
E X O D U S
Posted - 2007.11.22 19:11:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Kenneth McCoy
Can you honestly tell me you've been 100% completely honest with your insurance company?


'How'd you lose your Domi, sir?'

'Oh, yeah man, that freighter just came out of warp so fast, I had no chance to stop. He took out a bunch of my buddies too, that insensitive prick. At least his ship blew up too after he recklessly destroyed ours!'

'That's a shame, here's your claim, better luck next time.'


can you honestly tell me that you cheated your insurance company 100% of the time? Wink


Seeker Khan
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.11.22 19:55:00 - [15]
 

Could you not just sit at the gate with a hauler alt and scoop up their ill-gotton gains as and when they pop someone?

If you selective who knows you may get that BPO or high end minerals they want.

Play them at their own game and steal.

If your a nice guy, maybe you give it back to the poor sod, but as there are fewer and fewer nice guys around, keep it.Twisted Evil

Squirrrel
Gallente
Squirrrel Industries
Posted - 2007.11.22 20:25:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Kenneth McCoy
Can you honestly tell me you've been 100% completely honest with your insurance company?


'How'd you lose your Domi, sir?'

'Oh, yeah man, that freighter just came out of warp so fast, I had no chance to stop. He took out a bunch of my buddies too, that insensitive prick. At least his ship blew up too after he recklessly destroyed ours!'

'That's a shame, here's your claim, better luck next time.'


If the police got involved in the incident and blew it up, I don't think the insurance company would really be willing to pay out.

On a lighter note, your post made me laugh. :)

Cruthensis
Gallente
Xeno Tech Corp
Self Destruct.
Posted - 2007.11.22 22:23:00 - [17]
 

It's a pretty sound tactic tbh and annoyingly, it's being employed by the 23/7 ice mining ISK farmers we all know and love. If the locals are suiciding them a lot, they use an alt to spawn concord by attacking a can/themselves/an asteroid/whatever and effectively lower the CC response time to zero. Very annoying. Evil or Very Mad

Valron Xizor
The Xizor Cartel
Posted - 2007.11.22 22:30:00 - [18]
 

Does not work at a gate in 0.5. Just tried it and ibis went insta pop due to gate guns. No concord reinforcements arrives so back to the drawing board. As previous poster stated, need something that can tank the gate guns long enough for concord backup to arrive.

Gruxella
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.11.22 22:37:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Kenneth McCoy
Can you honestly tell me you've been 100% completely honest with your insurance company?


'How'd you lose your Domi, sir?'

'Oh, yeah man, that freighter just came out of warp so fast, I had no chance to stop. He took out a bunch of my buddies too, that insensitive prick. At least his ship blew up too after he recklessly destroyed ours!'

'That's a shame, here's your claim, better luck next time.'


I never lie to my insurance company. I simply state that all my deaths are the result of following Kenneth McCoy's lead.

Hiryu Jin
noXCorp
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2007.11.23 03:27:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Valron Xizor
Does not work at a gate in 0.5. Just tried it and ibis went insta pop due to gate guns. No concord reinforcements arrives so back to the drawing board. As previous poster stated, need something that can tank the gate guns long enough for concord backup to arrive.

maybe if you're aligned for your true target gate, attack something then instawarp to the gate?

Ming Zhan
Posted - 2007.11.23 06:14:00 - [21]
 

How about a sensor boosted ibis attacking from 160km? When CONCORD spawns at that location, will they be able to shoot all the way to the gate?

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2007.11.23 06:43:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Ming Zhan
How about a sensor boosted ibis attacking from 160km? When CONCORD spawns at that location, will they be able to shoot all the way to the gate?


as far as i know... they would despawn and respwan at closer range

Valron Xizor
The Xizor Cartel
Posted - 2007.11.23 09:34:00 - [23]
 

Will test some of these ideas out later tonight. Sec hit is very low by the way.

Wesley Baird
D00M.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.11.23 14:09:00 - [24]
 

Hate to burst your bubble, but those who know what they are doing...often end up using the same gate several times in a day...and have developed techniques for pulling concord off of the gate...but the idea is sound and will certainly make life harder for those not as experienced in high sec piracy.


Cpt Fina
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
Posted - 2007.11.23 14:25:00 - [25]
 

Afaik concordspawns are individual. It wont matter if there allready is concord at a gate because another spawn specificly for you and your crime has to get spawned.

Ming Zhan
Posted - 2007.11.23 18:08:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Cpt Fina
Afaik concordspawns are individual. It wont matter if there allready is concord at a gate because another spawn specificly for you and your crime has to get spawned.


Sure, but before that happens, wouldn't the existing concord spawn attack one of the gankers?

MirrorGod
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.11.23 19:53:00 - [27]
 

You could just, y'know, tank you're hauler a bit. A T1 cruiser can't kill a badger if it has 2000 shield with 50-70% resists across the board :P

Death4free
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.11.23 20:51:00 - [28]
 

Heres a much better idea

have a basilisk in ur group with a hauler with tons of t1/t2 bpcs in it (scanners cant tell if its a bpc or bpo)

as soon as tey lock slam ur tank on and basilisk immediatly start repping ur shields

if u tank out concord for long enough u can snag all the loot from their wrecks and still grab sum bpcs if u die

Hyuuga Veralis
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2007.11.23 22:48:00 - [29]
 

You want anti-ganker tactics?

Nullify insurance payouts for CONCORD intervention.

Leora Nomen
Amarr
Posted - 2007.11.24 00:04:00 - [30]
 

What I read is that Concord spawns specifically for your gank. So if you're in a 0.5 system in a freighter by the gate where someone else already got concordokkened and concord NPCs are flying around, they are not going to respond to you getting killed. You will have to wait 10-30 seconds for your own concord spawn to appear and only it will protect you. The concord that spawned previously for another gank will do nothing for your gank. I haven't tested it, but it makes a lot of sense. Otherwise someone would be able to exploit Concord and use it for additional protection - make Concord NPCs spawn in a 0.5 system by both gates, they will immediately shoot any gangs of suicide gankers, and 0.5 system will be same as 1.0 system in this sense.


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