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Verjigorm
Dark Seraph
Order of the Black Cross
Posted - 2007.11.20 17:27:00 - [1]
 

Words have tarnished our people for millenia, so few words will be spoken here. We are the order of the Black Cross. Darkly have we served you, Lady Sarum. Darkly have we reformed for you, in service, we stand as we always have, loyal to you, House Sarum, until oblivion.

Our methods have been called extreme, our ways, repulsive, but we have never forgotten the Reclaiming. Nor have we forgotten the way of the Society We Serve. We understand the ways of our patron House, we understand the time for sermons is passed, the time for all words has gone. A new era is upon us, a Fourth Age, and age of action in place of contentedness. We understand that the only service worth living for is dying for you.

You will not hear of our victories from our mouths, you will not hear of our greatness, you will not hear of our brilliance, but you will hear of our deeds.

The light has gone from our blackened hearts, but the coals beneath the ash burn hotter than any flame. We dare not aspire to your glory, for our hands are stained so that yours may be held by God when you are welcomed into his embrace.

Sarum, lead us to victory and by your will, we shall claim in the name of your Empire all that is pure and perfect, holding it in your light.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2007.11.20 18:39:00 - [2]
 

I'm sure that even if Lady Sarum were still alive, she would want to do better than having the likes of you serve her, blooder.

Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
Ordo Magna
Posted - 2007.11.21 01:21:00 - [3]
 

A strange path is yours. We will see if you really stand by what you claim or if you fall again in the darkness. If you are redeemend in truth, we welcome you back into the Empire. But know that you can only fall once...

Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2007.11.21 01:32:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Archbishop on 21/11/2007 01:33:06

You've declared war on the Amarrian loyalists, defamed the Empire, committed blasphemy against God while siding with heretics and those who worship blood over God, this change of face is a very Revanesqe manuever on your part Verjigorm. I would suggest before you expect ANYONE to believe for one moment you have returned to the path of God and seek to serve House Sarum or any other house you might consider repenting for your many many sins and praying to God for mercy.

The scriptures have said:

"'Which test reveals more of the soul - the test that a man will take to prove his faith. or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven? If you know this answer, then you also know which of these challenges bear the greatest penalty for failure, The gates of paradise will open for you one time only; woe to the soul who dares to knock twice.'
-Book of Missions, 5:14, The Scriptures"


So what say you Order of the Black Cross? Do you repent for your many sins of the past and seek the blessings of God and Empire once again? Do you acknowledge your many mistakes and now turn for judgement by the peers of Amarrian loyalists who have never wavered in faith? Are you now ready to stand on the side of light rather than the side of darkness?

This is a decisive moment for you Verjigorm. Many mistakes and sins have you committed in the past. Many crimes have been attributed to those you associated with.

Are you sorry?

The scriptures say the doors will only open once and the hardliners will say you have squandered your once chance. While it may take a lifetime of attempts to return to the good graces of God I personally do not feel it is a wasted journey if one is truly repentent for their sins. It is just my personal opinion but it is the basis on which I form all my interactions among other Amarrian citizens.

Archbishop




Azador Kavian
Amarr
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Black Inquisition
Posted - 2007.11.21 02:07:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Azador Kavian on 21/11/2007 02:10:03
Interesting, imperial pariahs clinging on to the dead dreams of a dying house. I had no idea the Blood Raider covenant held any interest in House Sarum... further proof of a corrupted Imperial succession committee.

Only God's chosen heir, the Sixth Heir, will take the Imperial throne.
Hail Khanid!

Jonny Damordred
Moira.
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.11.21 03:10:00 - [6]
 

Question: Is Verisum a part of this new group?

Cheers,
Jonny D.


Tomi Zai
Amarr
Dark Seraph
Posted - 2007.11.21 03:11:00 - [7]
 

Esteemed members of the Intergal Community, I address you as Overossa Ephem of the Order of the Black Cross in humility with the responsibility bestowed upon me as such.

I am by choice, a man of few and careful words. Always have I stood in the background, listening and observing...content to live in anonymity as a member of the capsuleer community. My earliest training was under a great and dedicated pilot to the Sarum Family known as Valerius Morai. His service record speaks for itself in abundance if one were to care enough to look, and I would do well to be provided the chance to follow in his path. Here me when I say that I would, and do, find the idea of service to any splinter faction of blooder repugnant in the extreme. Let not one unfortunate chapter in Dark Seraph's history sway your belief in the base message, that being service to God, Empire and Sarum, in that order. Every corp has periods of political turmoil and strife, and the era being referred to is one within which one megalomanic and deranged pilot managed to elevate herself through force of personality into a position of power. The damage was done to be sure, but most assuredly the Order has gone through a merciless gleaning process since.

Dark Seraph has existed in it's present form for longer than most capsuleer pilots have had free reign to wander the spacelanes, and I am proud and priveleged to be a part of the rebuilding and rekindling of the basic ideals. When I came to Dark Seraph some months ago it was a mere half handful of pilots, none of which are blooders, or I daresay, would take kindly to being called such. We are warriors, for God. For Empire. For Sarum.

Make NO mistake...we are as much Amarr loyalists as any of our valiant comrades in such organizations as CVA, PIE, VV, AM, et all...the one difference being that where they dare not go in service to God, Empire and Sarum...THAT is where you will find us.

We dare...

If you have diplomatic concerns they may be addressed to myself.


Jonny Damordred
Moira.
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.11.21 03:25:00 - [8]
 

Oh, and as an aside: Another day, another target. Thanks for self-selecting Verjigorm, makes our lives easier.

Love and Ganking,
Jonny D.
Director of Gunboat Diplomacy, Stimulus

Tenebrion Darkness
Amarr
Castles of STEEL
Castle of STEEL
Posted - 2007.11.21 05:57:00 - [9]
 

So, Tomi, you're who was chosen to replace Revan. She had many close ties to those you fly with, and it will be hard for many to ignore them. However, I saw something within Dark and Ebon Seraph, way back when Family was important, something to aspire to. My hope is that with your help, Verjigorm and the Order can attain something similar.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2007.11.21 11:48:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/11/2007 11:48:58

Fine words Tomi, but they do little to make up for the past crimes of your corporation.

None of your pilots are blooders? I suggest that you investigate the past of Verjigorm.

Cyshade
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
Posted - 2007.11.21 12:38:00 - [11]
 

There are not and have never been any blooders in Dark Seraph or Bloodveil. Only spoilt rich Amarrians and assorted hangers-on gagging for attention.

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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2007.11.21 13:25:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 21/11/2007 13:24:51
Originally by: Cyshade
There are not and have never been any blooders in Dark Seraph or Bloodveil. Only spoilt rich Amarrians and assorted hangers-on gagging for attention.



Or perhaps more accurately, they found the blooder's path to be especially lacking in substance (aside from gallons of red food colouring dye).

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2007.11.21 13:36:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Cyshade
There are not and have never been any blooders in Dark Seraph or Bloodveil. Only spoilt rich Amarrians and assorted hangers-on gagging for attention.



They certainly considered themselves to be a Sani Sabik cult, no matter what you or I think.


Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2007.11.21 14:21:00 - [14]
 

For those who have failed to keep up with past events, here are some examples of the less than perfect past of Verjigorm:

On 19/4/108 Verjigorm announced that pilots under her command had engaged the Cult of Cathechization in combat. The Cult of Cathechization is an organisation recognised by the Theology Council as being beyond reproach, and had made the Verisum Family alliance (including Dark Seraph) one of the targets of their 47th Crusade.

On 19/6/108 Graelyn announced that the Verisum Family alliance had declared war on Aegis Militia. This is hardly the sort of behaviour that one would expect from a loyalist group. It was none other than Reisha "Verjigorm" Nafina who delivered pre-war ultimatum to AM.

On 6/7/108 Verjigorm declared victory on behalf against the Intaki Union on behalf of the Bloodveil cult. She then held the rank of Overossa Legatus within that organisation.

On 21/8/108 the infamous heretic Revan Neferis (who was I believe then a member of Dark Seraph) appointed Verjigorm to the post of Overossa Ephem within the Bloodveil cult.

On 13/10/108 The Bloodveil cult publicised itself by advertising some sort of open day. A key phrase in the initial announcement is "It is represented by our higher dignitary Lady Nafina “Verjigorm” inside our most excellent halls of Dark Seraph".

On 19/10/108 Revan Neferis described Verjigorm as "The greatest Bloodveil High-Empress" and goes on to describe how it was Verjigorm who had inducted her into the Bloodveil cult.


Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
Posted - 2007.11.21 18:19:00 - [15]
 

As I understand it, Sani Sabik has its roots in historic, planetside Amarr practice which placed Amarr blood as holy and holding the key to divine immortality. So I'm not really that surprised to find people with Sani Sabik associations (I'm in no position to judge on the "Real blooder vs Pseudo blooder" front and am therefore not touching that discussion with a pole) pledging loyalty one of the Heirs.


Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2007.11.21 18:46:00 - [16]
 

...Whether or not the Order of the Black Cross is filled with Blooders/former Blooders/general malcontents, etc,
they at least get credit for coming out in support of a specific Imperial House.

Refreshing to see another organization publicly supporting a -specific- family rather than hiding behind the oh-so-common "I'll support whomever eventually wins the succession, since I'm far too timid to come out publicly and support anyone myself" line that the "loyalists" spout so often.

We've been saying for months now that it is high time to bring this issue into the light. It will become increasingly difficult in the future for Amarrians to remain "undecided" on the succession, as emotions run high and the Empire continues to stagnate without a leader.

Those without the strength of conviction to choose a side will be the first caught in the crossfire, perhaps...

Of course those supporting the True Heir Khanid II shall be proven correct on the matter.

Hail Khanid!





Dangerous Vixen
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.11.21 19:00:00 - [17]
 

All I will state on this subject is that Revan Neferis has not been a part of this Order for over a year. We will continue to support the Sarum Family to the fullest extent no matter who thinks what of us. We have stated our representation and will continue to follow that. Anyone with questions can of course contact me at any given time and I may explain more, if I feel like it.

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2007.11.21 19:55:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Rodj Blake on 21/11/2007 20:04:15
Originally by: Dangerous Vixen
All I will state on this subject is that Revan Neferis has not been a part of this Order for over a year. We will continue to support the Sarum Family to the fullest extent no matter who thinks what of us. We have stated our representation and will continue to follow that. Anyone with questions can of course contact me at any given time and I may explain more, if I feel like it.


Firstly, I believe that Neferis' connections with members of your alliance to have continued until more recently than a year ago.

Secondly, does merely the passage of time absolve a sinner? Does justice happen when a clock ticks past a certain point? I believe that it does not.

Thirdly, regarding your own support of the Sarum Family - I assume that you are aware that they are not exactly known as fans of Sebiestors wandering around freely?

Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleet Yards
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.11.21 22:57:00 - [19]
 

As a longstanding and consistant follower of the House I can only hope that the stance of the most noble House of Sarum on Blooders hasn't changed with the passing of the revered Lady Jamyl Sarum. You can't expect to change allegiance from the Sani Sabik to a conservative House and be accepted with open arms.

Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Moira.
Posted - 2007.11.21 23:48:00 - [20]
 

Meb snorts a giggle

You think Verjigorm is Sani Sabik? That gal couldn't keep a secret if you payed her!


And dear Rodj; One would think you're paying a little too much attention to Verjigorms past blatherings.

Stalker much? Get a room, seriously! Razz

Tomi Zai
Amarr
Dark Seraph
Posted - 2007.11.22 02:17:00 - [21]
 

Firstly I would like to thank those who have provided words of encouragement.

Our stated mission is a great responsibility indeed, and for as much as I am able to personally, I will see the task of service to it done.

As has been suggested, we have pilots with blood on their hands, and sin in their collective pasts. Rather than personally turn my back on these souls, I have embraced my own destiny and will strive to walk beside them on the path to Redemption that can be found in service to the noble Sarum Family, though their transgressions be not my own. There is good in their intent, and much will be accomplished for the greater glory of God and Empire. I have seen the naked desire to serve what fate destiny brings to our people in these self same pilots, and I will never abandon that admirable quality. In the coming months and years, we will be the ubiquitous presence in all tasks expected of the faithful Amarr.

I know better than most of Reisha Nafina's past as my own mentor was aware also, and I am the man Lord Morai trained me to be. While I abhor what has been done, I will see God's will be done, and He has afforded me this opportunity to build my faith in His works, and forge a mighty weapon of Salvation for the fell deeds ahead that must be done in His name, and for Empire and Sarum.

Any faithful Amarr would do well to honour our mission, or to support what we serve, even if it be only in tacit fashion.

Godspeed to you all

Vlad Konstantinov
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2007.11.22 11:51:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Tomi Zai
Let not one unfortunate chapter in Dark Seraph's history sway your belief in the base message


I have to assume this is some kind of joke.

You can't shake the Deceivers hand, then say you were only kidding.

Sardoniac
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
Ordo Magna
Posted - 2007.11.22 13:39:00 - [23]
 

Keeping in mind the past of these individuals you are flying with I consider your words empty until proven otherwise. Although I dare not to measure the amount of "redemption" that is needed to overshine your crimes I will watch your path carefully.
The next misplaced step might be your last.

Azador Kavian
Amarr
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Black Inquisition
Posted - 2007.11.22 17:22:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Azador Kavian on 22/11/2007 17:24:53
I'm sure all will come to light once Revan holds another one of those hedonistic parties, and half of the DRS leadership attends.
I find it strange that the leadership have the most tainted histories...
Guilty until proven otherwise. History shows that these people have no ability to stay to one cause and fight for it.

Koshmarnaya Akula
Ghost Festival
Posted - 2007.11.22 18:16:00 - [25]
 

As opposed to simply leaving your charges, Azador?

Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleet Yards
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.11.23 09:33:00 - [26]
 

As the saying goes: 'actions have consequences'. Vigilia Valeria will not cooperate with this organization or the individuals in any shape or form now or in the future.

Spoon Thumb
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2007.11.23 12:20:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 23/11/2007 13:05:25
Originally by: Tharrn
As the saying goes: 'actions have consequences'. Vigilia Valeria will not cooperate with this organization or the individuals in any shape or form now or in the future.



Because of something they said?

"..knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who was baaad!" Seriously, grow up. I for one will be taking a pragmatic approach in any dealings with this organisation. I know and have flown with a number of its members and in my humble opinion have found them to be by and large decent and reasonable people.

So until hard evidence in the form of actions should prove one way or the other, I shan't be judging

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2007.11.23 12:40:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Originally by: Tharrn
As the saying goes: 'actions have consequences'. Vigilia Valeria will not cooperate with this organization or the individuals in any shape or form now or in the future.



Because of something they said?

"..knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who was baaad!" Seriously, grow up. I for one will be taking a pragmatic approach in any dealings with this organisation. I know and have flown with a number of its members and in my humble opinion have found them to be by and large decent and reasonable people.

So until hard evidence in the form of actions should prove one way or the other, I shan't be judging



Amongst other evidence, the declaration of war by Verjigorm's organisation on Aegis Militia and the past membership of known pirate groups by Black Cross operatives are matters of public record.

Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleet Yards
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.11.23 12:56:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Originally by: Tharrn
As the saying goes: 'actions have consequences'. Vigilia Valeria will not cooperate with this organization or the individuals in any shape or form now or in the future.



Because of something they said?

"..knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who was baaad!" Seriously, grow up. I for one will be taking a pragmatic approach in any dealings with this organisation. I know and have flown with a number of its members and in my humble opinion have found them to be by and large decent and reasonable people.

So until hard evidence in the form of actions should prove one way or the other, I shan't be judging



Maybe you should take lessons from Garreck and leave the thinking to your Amarrian betters.

Spoon Thumb
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2007.11.23 13:06:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 23/11/2007 13:06:12

Or maybe what I'm trying to say is that I just don't like some loyalist's attitudes. PIE Inc. =/= Amarr Inc. and although I wouldn't despute the commitment and effort on the part of said corporation and satelites, they are just that, a corporate entity and not some formal institution given blessing by God on high.

Has it ever occured to anyone that the pat on the head and occasional bone thrown in their direction does not constitute some unbreakable bond of strength with the Empire and does not justify a monopolising of policy on all things Amarrian?

When people talk of the reclaimation floundering, this is a prime example of a failure not in zeal or commitment to the cause, nor from execution on the ground, but from long term stale, inflexible, one dimensional strategy and leadership

Originally by: Silas Vitalia

Refreshing to see another organization publicly supporting a -specific- family rather than hiding behind the oh-so-common "I'll support whomever eventually wins the succession, since I'm far too timid to come out publicly and support anyone myself" line that the "loyalists" spout so often.



I pray for the sake of the Empire that Amarrian "loyalists" rethink their long term alliegances, else what were to happen if say another Aritcio Kor-Azor were to be guided to victory in the battle for succession. Would you blindly follow such an Emperor into another minmatar republic situation? Another crushing defeat to add to the long list of those that have already befallen the Empire? As always, my loyalties remain with the house that has been able to adapt and prosper without compromising the core values and culture of the Amarrian people


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