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Stephen HB
Mystical Knights
Malum Exuro
Posted - 2007.11.04 10:22:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Pfft. The hell it is. English is a crude and inaccurate language, with a lot of confusing spelling rules, double entendres and so on and so forth.


"English doesn't borrow words from other languages. It chases them down dark alleys and rifles through their pockets for loose grammar"
Mark Twain

Sinder Ohm
Demonic Corp
G00DFELLAS
Posted - 2007.11.04 10:33:00 - [32]
 

German: Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän (yes that is an actual word Wink)

English: Danube steamship company captain

I rest my case Wink

Jinmie
Posted - 2007.11.04 10:34:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 04/11/2007 06:45:10

The good think about Romanian is that you speak the way you spell, and you spell the way you speak it.
So, for better or worse, whenever we talk about EVE items, we usually call them exactly as spelled.
So... if reading as you spell in English, that would be... "Trimark"->"treemark" and "Quaffe" would be "q.-ah-fe" or somesuch.
Well, ok, we still call the drake a "drake" not "draaik-eeh" or however you'd spell it phonetically.



You're really bad at this English thing.

SentryRaven
KIA Corporation
Zenith Affinity
Posted - 2007.11.04 10:37:00 - [34]
 

Me is German.
Me not kehr about korrekt pronunciääätion.
Me will pronaunse "triiiiimark"

Sänk you!

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2007.11.04 11:01:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Akita T
I wouldn't bash German as a counter-point to English bashing if I was you though... the difference between German and English is minimal, TBFH, and I can't understand for the life of me how in hell English native speakers DON'T almost automatically understand German.


I expect that if native English speakers spent as long learning other languages as non-native speakers spend learning English, we'd get by much better. In England, a lot of people don't start learning any other languages until they're 11 and have the option to stop altogether once they turn 14. I didn't, but the only other language I studied at school after I was 16 was latin.

That said, there are a lot of (slightly redundant) conventions that English (mostly) doesn't bother with that tend to put people off when encountered in other languages:
  • Verb conjugation
  • Declination of nouns/pronouns
  • Adjectival agreeement
  • Seemingly arbitrary genders for nouns
...to name but a few.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.11.04 11:02:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: pinklol
How does one of the most ******ed languages on the Earth become the most dominant?

I say we all screw English and learn Finnish instead. Razz


Short answer: lots of big ships with big guns and smart captains.

That's why it's the official language of EvE Twisted Evil

Oniko Sengir
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2007.11.04 11:04:00 - [37]
 

lol

Gauss Belloid
Prison Break Inc.
Posted - 2007.11.04 11:08:00 - [38]
 

I've got a trilogy of trimarks on my tiephoon!

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.11.04 11:09:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: cal nereus
I say it's Try-Mark and Kway-f.


This is correct Smile

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.11.04 11:09:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Jinmie
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 04/11/2007 06:45:10

The good think about Romanian is that you speak the way you spell, and you spell the way you speak it.
So, for better or worse, whenever we talk about EVE items, we usually call them exactly as spelled.
So... if reading as you spell in English, that would be... "Trimark"->"treemark" and "Quaffe" would be "q.-ah-fe" or somesuch.
Well, ok, we still call the drake a "drake" not "draaik-eeh" or however you'd spell it phonetically.



You're really bad at this English thing.


As a (very new) TEFL teacher, I can tell you that Akita's language's model is far more usual than that of English. Our pronunciation "rules" are really just patterns. In fact English has hardly any unbreakable rules, but a huge number of patterns, customs, nuances, etc. Oh, and nearly 1200 irregular verbs.

It's one of the easiest languages to make yourself more or less understood in, but one of the hardest to speak very well. Most English people don't speak very good English.

Back on topic: as a native English speaker, I would definitely pronounce "Quafe" as 'kwaef' like 'race' or 'trace', and "Trimark" with the 'i' as in 'I remember some of my pronunciation methodology tutorials'

Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
Posted - 2007.11.04 11:23:00 - [41]
 

It's definitely Try Mark.

Quafe on the other hand. That was supposedly of Galente origin, yeah? And the galente were supposedly french-like. And considering how the french treat their ending vowels, that E is just there for decoration.

So it's probably Koof or Cawf or Oof... ugh

I, being a normal american english speaker with no regard for rules or any other such bothers, have always pronounced it:
Kwah Feh

No idea why.

Laura Steel
Minmatar
The Chaotic Order
Void.
Posted - 2007.11.04 13:15:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
I expect that if native English speakers spent as long learning other languages as non-native speakers spend learning English, we'd get by much better. In England, a lot of people don't start learning any other languages until they're 11 and have the option to stop altogether once they turn 14. I didn't, but the only other language I studied at school after I was 16 was latin.


It depends, At 11 I started with French and Latin, In the second year I had to do French and choose Latin, Spanish or German(I did spanish). At the start of the fourth year you have to do at least one modern language, so if you continued latin you would have do continue one of the 3 modern ones. Years 6 and 7 it's optional.

However they are starting to increase the importance of learning languages in schools as it helps these days in business and its a good minor to do in University.

KillmAll187
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.11.04 13:15:00 - [43]
 

LOL




I rest MY caseLaughingLaughingLaughing

Mordok Mataar
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.11.04 13:30:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Mordok Mataar on 04/11/2007 13:29:47
Originally by: KillmAll187
LOL




I rest MY caseLaughingLaughingLaughing


Very few things on the internet actually make me lol in real life, but that was one of them.


Awesome.

Leya Marcsson
Posted - 2007.11.04 13:43:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Leya Marcsson on 04/11/2007 13:57:27
Edited by: Leya Marcsson on 04/11/2007 13:51:13
What is a Trimark anyway? oO

Originally by: Sinder Ohm
German: Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän (yes that is an actual word Wink)

That is hypotetical, no german would use such a word. German is a pretty nice language, for a German :) In addition I think the correct spelling is "Schifffahrt" not "Schiffahrt" :p

Kostantin Mort
Naqam
Exalted.
Posted - 2007.11.04 13:51:00 - [46]
 

A Trimark is a rig that increases your armor HP with the usual penalty for armor rigs (i.e. speed decrease).

Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
Posted - 2007.11.04 13:53:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 04/11/2007 13:53:58
Isn't it time to say "In soviet russia, trimark pronounces you"? Laughing

Trai-mark and Kweif.

Und! In Ze Germany they uze ze quadmark!

Miriyana
Gallente
tr0pa de elite
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.11.04 13:55:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: KillmAll187
LOL




I rest MY caseLaughingLaughingLaughing

hhahaha!!!!

Miriyana
Gallente
tr0pa de elite
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.11.04 14:03:00 - [49]
 

btw, Trident - is Try-dent, not Tree-dent.

So Trimark is obviously Try-mark.

Rooker
Lysian Enterprises
Posted - 2007.11.04 20:15:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Mordok Mataar
Edited by: Mordok Mataar on 04/11/2007 13:29:47
Originally by: KillmAll187
LOL
I rest MY caseLaughingLaughingLaughing


Very few things on the internet actually make me lol in real life, but that was one of them.

Awesome.


I know a funnier one... but I don't want to get banned by linking it here Laughing

Nostejio
Posted - 2007.11.04 20:55:00 - [51]
 

I say we make 1337 the international language. 1337 english ofcourse

Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Posted - 2007.11.04 21:02:00 - [52]
 

I pronounce it as Troi Mahr.

Agetec Core
Sudden Buggery
Posted - 2007.11.04 21:05:00 - [53]
 

I win. Punch and pie.

Yadee
Posted - 2007.11.04 21:09:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Akita T

Chinese is the first one by far, with Hindi almost on par with English and Spanish a close fourth.



I expected someone as nit pickety and correct as you to know that "chinese" is not a language. They speak a vast amount of different LANGUAGES in china (no, not dialects, but defined as languages) and none of them are particulary high up on the number 1 spoken languages. And spanish is spoken by more people than english as a primary language (though english far outclasses any language as a secondary one)

Miriyana
Gallente
tr0pa de elite
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2007.11.04 21:27:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Yadee
Originally by: Akita T

Chinese is the first one by far, with Hindi almost on par with English and Spanish a close fourth.



I expected someone as nit pickety and correct as you to know that "chinese" is not a language. They speak a vast amount of different LANGUAGES in china (no, not dialects, but defined as languages) and none of them are particulary high up on the number 1 spoken languages. And spanish is spoken by more people than english as a primary language (though english far outclasses any language as a secondary one)


ZING!

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2007.11.04 21:37:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: cal nereus
I say it's Try-Mark and Kway-f.


Pruneface got it right.

Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2007.11.04 21:38:00 - [57]
 

How would you pronounce Quafe if it was in French?

MITSUK0
Posted - 2007.11.04 21:45:00 - [58]
 

Trimark.

Like triangle, but with 'mark' instead of 'angle'. Trymark :)

Alyth
Gallente
Posted - 2007.11.04 21:52:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Agetec Core
Also, the same guy said that Quafe is pronouced K-uaf. Whereas I say it sounds like Kua-fee.

This is becasue Quafee seems to be a pardoy of Coffee.
Quafe. Coffee. Get it?


It is widely known that Americans cannot spell or speak English correctly. As such I feel it is my duty as a native speaker of said language to correct your mistakes. Example. Coffee is neither spelled nor pronounced in any of the following manners. Kawfee, Kwafee or Kafee. It is in fact pronounced Cough-ee. As such Quafe (Kway-f) would never be a parody of such a fictional word.

Also it's Try-mark. You don't say tree-angle or tree-dent do you? Why would that be any different?

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2007.11.04 21:53:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Because english is the only language that can easily adapt to describe new ideas and technics.. Try descibing something modern in Mandarin.

Pfft. The hell it is. English is a crude and inaccurate language, with a lot of confusing spelling rules, double entendres and so on and so forth.

It's also not even the most spoken language as number of speakers (and I'm NOT talking native speakers here), Chinese is the first one by far, with Hindi almost on par with English and Spanish a close fourth. Russian is sixth and French barely tenth spot.
HOWEVER, you have two big things "going for" the English language... USA and its economic supremacy, and the FORMER colonialistic power of the UK. People learn to speak English because "important" people speak English, so they have to get a way to understand them and make themselves understood.

Even German is slightly better as English, and German is quite horrible too.
But hey don't get me wrong... if it works, no matter how bad it is... well, it works.


I only speak English, so I can't speak from experience. But I've read that English has a *very* rich technical vocabulary compared to other languages, making it the language of choice for programming, at least.

Now, being an English speaker, I will be the first to admit that it sucks to learn it. Rules like "I before E except after C, or when sounding in 'ay' as in 'neighbor' and 'weigh'" should not exist, especially if there are over 50 exceptions to that rule (caffeine, weird, their, for example)


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