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Bakalla Cera
Posted - 2007.11.03 06:04:00 - [1]
 

Whats the min speed one needs to get an Ishtar to through overdrives/nanofiber internal structures so it can effectively speed tank in solo or small gang pvp (AB or MWD numbers)

And what speeds is the ishtar capable of obtaining solo?

Thanks

Kehmor
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.11.03 08:00:00 - [2]
 

0m/s if it's not primary. Try being mroe specific of what you wanna tank, what your gang mates are, whether you want to tackle aswell etc.

Culitza
Posted - 2007.11.03 08:10:00 - [3]
 

Lg snakes + speed implants + fleet bonus (leadership not mods) + AC4 nav 5 + t2 mwd should get u 6km/sec orbitting speed with a very nice inertia modifier Cool

E Vile
Posted - 2007.11.03 08:35:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Culitza
Lg snakes + speed implants + fleet bonus (leadership not mods) + AC4 nav 5 + t2 mwd should get u 6km/sec orbitting speed with a very nice inertia modifier Cool


Setups this pricey make me chuckle everytime I help pod them.YARRRR!!

Culitza
Posted - 2007.11.03 08:54:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: E Vile
Originally by: Culitza
Lg snakes + speed implants + fleet bonus (leadership not mods) + AC4 nav 5 + t2 mwd should get u 6km/sec orbitting speed with a very nice inertia modifier Cool


Setups this pricey make me chuckle everytime I help pod them.YARRRR!!


then u must be podding a lot of idiots then. A decent ishtar pilot if not blobbed either pwnz or gtfo when the **** hitz da fan Rolling Eyes

Bakalla Cera
Posted - 2007.11.03 09:04:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Kehmor
0m/s if it's not primary. Try being mroe specific of what you wanna tank, what your gang mates are, whether you want to tackle aswell etc.


looking for a build that will be mainly solo piracy, so needs to tackle...and then can transition well to a small gang

would like to be able to tank BCs and Some BSs (ratting raven for example)


Bakalla Cera
Posted - 2007.11.03 09:07:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Culitza
Lg snakes + speed implants + fleet bonus (leadership not mods) + AC4 nav 5 + t2 mwd should get u 6km/sec orbitting speed with a very nice inertia modifier Cool


wouldnt want to spend a small fortun to achieve it, looking for speed numbers for a reasonably priced set up

and the minimum orbit speed ill need to achieve in order to effectively speed tank a turret or missle boat

Mr. Orange
Gallente
Band of Freelancers
Posted - 2007.11.04 01:50:00 - [8]
 

4km/s Ishtar

2x T1 Poly rig
3x T2 OD / 2x T2 Nano
3x Hardwiring implants - 3% ones / Ship velocity / Ship Agility / AB+MWD velocity

And nav skills at 4's or 5's

That pretty much gets you a 4km/s cheap. Don't snake for a Ishtar, not worth it.


Kailiao
Mean Corp
Mean Coalition
Posted - 2007.11.04 01:59:00 - [9]
 

Or you can be a man and tank it Shocked

Ishmael Hansen
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.11.04 02:05:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Kailiao
Or you can be a man and tank it Shocked


Tanking is outdated, even more with next expansion where every ship is nerfed and vaga is buffed.

Kailiao
Mean Corp
Mean Coalition
Posted - 2007.11.04 02:12:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Ishmael Hansen
Originally by: Kailiao
Or you can be a man and tank it Shocked


Tanking is outdated, even more with next expansion where every ship is nerfed and vaga is buffed.


Again, be a man and tank it Twisted Evil

Don't be afraid to lose ships mate, why pvp, when all your going to do in the end is run away?

Delnas
White-Noise
Posted - 2007.11.04 02:14:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Kailiao
Originally by: Ishmael Hansen
Originally by: Kailiao
Or you can be a man and tank it Shocked


Tanking is outdated, even more with next expansion where every ship is nerfed and vaga is buffed.


Again, be a man and tank it Twisted Evil

Don't be afraid to lose ships mate, why pvp, when all your going to do in the end is run away?


Minimizing risk while maximizing profit when your to lazy or have to short of an attention span to rat/mission/mine... thats why.

Kailiao
Mean Corp
Mean Coalition
Posted - 2007.11.04 02:25:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Delnas
Originally by: Kailiao
Originally by: Ishmael Hansen
Originally by: Kailiao
Or you can be a man and tank it Shocked


Tanking is outdated, even more with next expansion where every ship is nerfed and vaga is buffed.


Again, be a man and tank it Twisted Evil

Don't be afraid to lose ships mate, why pvp, when all your going to do in the end is run away?


Minimizing risk while maximizing profit when your to lazy or have to short of an attention span to rat/mission/mine... thats why.


Sigh..

Number #1 rule in eve, don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

If ccp suddenly got rid of mwd's, would you quit playing?

Delnas
White-Noise
Posted - 2007.11.04 02:32:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Delnas on 04/11/2007 02:32:16
Originally by: Kailiao
Originally by: Delnas
Originally by: Kailiao
Originally by: Ishmael Hansen
Originally by: Kailiao
Or you can be a man and tank it Shocked


Tanking is outdated, even more with next expansion where every ship is nerfed and vaga is buffed.


Again, be a man and tank it Twisted Evil

Don't be afraid to lose ships mate, why pvp, when all your going to do in the end is run away?


Minimizing risk while maximizing profit when your to lazy or have to short of an attention span to rat/mission/mine... thats why.


Sigh..

Number #1 rule in eve, don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

If ccp suddenly got rid of mwd's, would you quit playing?


Of course not... I don't fly Nano. :p
I simply understand why people fly them, and support it.
In fact, I'm getting ready to buy my first Nano ship. ^_^
I guess that means I do fly them... w/e...

Delnas
White-Noise
Posted - 2007.11.04 03:46:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Delnas on 04/11/2007 03:50:09
Speaking of me buying my first nano ship, got a question.

When you want max speed while moving around a target, which is better?

3 Overdrives, 2 Nanos, and two Low Friction Nozzle Joints Rigs
3 Overdrives, 2 I-Stabs, and two Polycarbon Engine Housing
or 3 Overdrives, 1 Nano, 1 I-Stab, 1 Low Friction Nozzle Joints Rig, and 1 Polycarbon Engine Housing rig?

Edit; Never mind. Looking at their stats it is painfully obvious. I was hoping the Polycarbon's higher cost would not indicate they worked better for what I wanted. *sigh*

Bakalla Cera
Posted - 2007.11.04 10:40:00 - [16]
 

well what are the pros/cons of armor tanking vs speed tanking the ishtar?

i actually ended up buying one tonight because someone was selling one for 120mil with a trimark and auxilary pump rig on it, so pretty good deal.


Jinmie
Posted - 2007.11.04 10:50:00 - [17]
 

If you want to armour tank get a Myrmidon.

Ishtar Tank isn't great, it has a bonus to drone control range, it's meant to be far away from the battle.

William DeMeo
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2007.11.04 11:37:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Bakalla Cera
well what are the pros/cons of armor tanking vs speed tanking the ishtar?

i actually ended up buying one tonight because someone was selling one for 120mil with a trimark and auxilary pump rig on it, so pretty good deal.




You get killed by BC's with the armor tank.

Spank YouLater
Posted - 2007.11.04 14:26:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Mr. Orange
4km/s Ishtar

2x T1 Poly rig
3x T2 OD / 2x T2 Nano
3x Hardwiring implants - 3% ones / Ship velocity / Ship Agility / AB+MWD velocity

And nav skills at 4's or 5's

That pretty much gets you a 4km/s cheap. Don't snake for a Ishtar, not worth it.




what are the names of those hardwiring implants ?

Mr. Orange
Gallente
Band of Freelancers
Posted - 2007.11.04 15:16:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Spank YouLater
Originally by: Mr. Orange
4km/s Ishtar

2x T1 Poly rig
3x T2 OD / 2x T2 Nano
3x Hardwiring implants - 3% ones / Ship velocity / Ship Agility / AB+MWD velocity

And nav skills at 4's or 5's

That pretty much gets you a 4km/s cheap. Don't snake for a Ishtar, not worth it.




what are the names of those hardwiring implants ?


Open your market and go through the descriptions, I can't recall and I'm not about to go do it for you...


Spank YouLater
Posted - 2007.11.04 16:36:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Mr. Orange

Open your market and go through the descriptions, I can't recall and I'm not about to go do it for you...




ugh No need to get all shirty about it, i only asked cause i kinda presumed you knew off handConfused(seeing as YOU recomended them) but meh nvm i'll find out.

Amberly Coteaz
Amarr
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2007.11.04 16:55:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Amberly Coteaz on 04/11/2007 16:56:18
Originally by: Spank YouLater
Originally by: Mr. Orange
...


what are the names of those hardwiring implants ?

Slot 6 - Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' AY-1 (+ 3% agility)
Slot 7 - Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' CY-1 (+3% base speed)
Slot 10 - Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' MY-1 (+3% AB and MWD speed increase)

Slot 10 has that, turret CPU reduction and warfare mindlink implants. I can never choose which one I want, normally I have to go for cpu Evil or Very Mad

Spank YouLater
Posted - 2007.11.04 17:56:00 - [23]
 

Thank u kindly amberly

Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Emptiness.
Posted - 2007.11.04 18:13:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Bakalla Cera
Originally by: Culitza
Lg snakes + speed implants + fleet bonus (leadership not mods) + AC4 nav 5 + t2 mwd should get u 6km/sec orbitting speed with a very nice inertia modifier Cool


wouldnt want to spend a small fortun to achieve it, looking for speed numbers for a reasonably priced set up

and the minimum orbit speed ill need to achieve in order to effectively speed tank a turret or missle boat


that is not expensive setup. Most of the isk is in your pod not in your ship. And if you do low sec or empire fighting, then your pod is 95% safe.

Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Emptiness.
Posted - 2007.11.04 18:13:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Amberly Coteaz
Edited by: Amberly Coteaz on 04/11/2007 16:56:18
Originally by: Spank YouLater
Originally by: Mr. Orange
...


what are the names of those hardwiring implants ?

Slot 6 - Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' AY-1 (+ 3% agility)
Slot 7 - Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' CY-1 (+3% base speed)
Slot 10 - Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' MY-1 (+3% AB and MWD speed increase)

Slot 10 has that, turret CPU reduction and warfare mindlink implants. I can never choose which one I want, normally I have to go for cpu Evil or Very Mad


Slot 8 has a Zor Hyperlink implant for extra 5% speed.

Panteroid
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.11.04 20:01:00 - [26]
 

I had about a 4-4.5km/s ishtar. It was a very basic setup:

Polycarbs, 3 overdrives, 1 istab, 1 nano. Implants.


I found that killing certain ships was rather difficult. So I now use a setup designed just to kill well.. basically everything.

3- 150mm rails t2, 1 med neut, 1 med nos
mwd, disruptor, cap injector w/800s, 2- t2 tracking disrupt
1 med rep, 1 exp hardener, 1 istab, 2 overdrives

No snake set, a couple of implants, and 2 t1 polycarb rigs.

3300m/s.

Easily outruns high dmg drones. Easily tanks fast low damage drones. If a ceptor gets a web on you. You neut/nos him to worthless. Tracking disruptor is good for messing up those pesky vaga's and such.

Drones: 8 zerker II's, 5 ogre II's, 10 warrier II's.

Bakalla Cera
Posted - 2007.11.04 20:58:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Panteroid
I had about a 4-4.5km/s ishtar. It was a very basic setup:

Polycarbs, 3 overdrives, 1 istab, 1 nano. Implants.


I found that killing certain ships was rather difficult. So I now use a setup designed just to kill well.. basically everything.

3- 150mm rails t2, 1 med neut, 1 med nos
mwd, disruptor, cap injector w/800s, 2- t2 tracking disrupt
1 med rep, 1 exp hardener, 1 istab, 2 overdrives

No snake set, a couple of implants, and 2 t1 polycarb rigs.

3300m/s.

Easily outruns high dmg drones. Easily tanks fast low damage drones. If a ceptor gets a web on you. You neut/nos him to worthless. Tracking disruptor is good for messing up those pesky vaga's and such.

Drones: 8 zerker II's, 5 ogre II's, 10 warrier II's.


i like this set up a lot

since i bought this ishtar with the trimark and auxilary rigs, and everyone seems to agree that speed tanking is the way to go with it, ive been trying to come up with a middle ground that gives me enoug speed and the ability to do some armor tanking.

How much slower do you think i would be with this setup minus the polycarb rigs? Not a big deal if i have to replace the rigs though, paid barely nothing for them.

Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.11.04 21:03:00 - [28]
 

Hmm im hearing so much about these nano setups these days, im back after long break...

I have a doubt tough , in the age of hugnin/rapiers isnt that a big risk? I mean you are paper thin you loose speed , you die...

MITSUK0
Posted - 2007.11.04 22:59:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Earthan
Hmm im hearing so much about these nano setups these days, im back after long break...

I have a doubt tough , in the age of hugnin/rapiers isnt that a big risk? I mean you are paper thin you loose speed , you die...


There designed to gank idiots, run away from blobs and run away while screaming like a girl if a huggin appears.

HARDCORE PVP YO

madaluap
Gallente
Anthrax Foundation
Posted - 2007.11.04 23:50:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: madaluap on 04/11/2007 23:51:45
Originally by: MITSUK0
Originally by: Earthan
Hmm im hearing so much about these nano setups these days, im back after long break...

I have a doubt tough , in the age of hugnin/rapiers isnt that a big risk? I mean you are paper thin you loose speed , you die...


There designed to gank idiots, run away from blobs and run away while screaming like a girl if a huggin appears.

HARDCORE PVP YO



No. Small gangs of 5-10 T2 nano ships can achieve EW supriority, have enough speed to not get killed by blob number #18373, have enough DPS to kill another small gang and are more fun in general cause you are not camping a gate 24/7. Try moving through 0.0 in a non-nano ship looking for targets, IT WILL NOT WORK. I ****ing hate this new part of EvE, adapt or die that what a lot of small gang pilots did and you start whining your balls off because of it. Nerf you!

You may not agree with it, but im not undocking in my navy issue megathron in 0.0 unless im pretty sure i wont have 20 carriers and 30 bs dropped out on me. I rather undock in a 8.8 km/s vagabond. Same price if you include the pod and (watch out, number made up on the spot) 1000% more effective.

edit: Thats the realitity of small gang pvp in EvE atm. Dont you get it?


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