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Oron
Posted - 2007.10.31 09:58:00 - [121]
 

Hi,

I like the Eve Voice integration into the fleet window.

Some suggestions:

Arrow Add a collum to the Overview showing "special effect" Icons. If someone warpscramble, ecm, damp, tracking distrupt, etc you he get the corresponding Icon. This way you can directly associate where this guy is, what ship he fly and also can directly issue conter actions. I would keep the running timer, add the effect name to it (sometimes not shown) and remove the ship name (now visible in overview) to free up space.

Arrow Remove the Avatar Icons from the Chat Member List. Quite useless to ses all the exclamation marks - and it would save some space.

Arrow I would like to have a broad overview the how healthy my fleet/wing/squad is. In my opinion this a a essential tactical information. This could be expressed by a single health bar at each group row in the fleet window, indicating the cumulated health of its subgroups health/members shild and armor.

Arrow In addition there should be some kind of body count, to see how many pilots of that group are still flying their combat ships (insteed of lurking around in a pod!) Currently you show the member count in brackets - you could add a secound number indicating how many pilots are not in a pod: (5/10) half wing/squad is dead => don't send them into the core heat now, but let'em regroup or send them to guard a gate.

Arrow Please remove the "kick member" till "set as squad booster" part of the context menu in the watch list. I dont think the watch list will be used for fleet organisation - so those choices just clutter the menu.

thx :)

Kadzu
Posted - 2007.10.31 10:12:00 - [122]
 

Nice.

But not any word about reducing time creating fleet.
Like a free walk in sqaud, wing by members. Today all work creating fleet, move members sqaud to sqaud, change Leadership pilot make it Fleetcomander. I thin need more options to reduse this.

Take place overview icon it's all? in UI.
How abot?
- Hotkeys
- Easy Tag
- Small icon idicate status target (jam, disrupt, web, damp, painter).

Thx for reading. (sorry for my bad English)

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2007.10.31 11:02:00 - [123]
 

Edited by: Cailais on 31/10/2007 11:02:24
Originally by: Kadzu
Nice.

But not any word about reducing time creating fleet.
Like a free walk in sqaud, wing by members. Today all work creating fleet, move members sqaud to sqaud, change Leadership pilot make it Fleetcomander. I thin need more options to reduse this.

Take place overview icon it's all? in UI.
How abot?
- Hotkeys
- Easy Tag
- Small icon idicate status target (jam, disrupt, web, damp, painter).

Thx for reading. (sorry for my bad English)



Eh? Theres a dev post just above here that allows a FC to 'open' all squads and everyone can move themselves. " inty pilots get into squad 1, gogogogogo "

C.


Thraxon
The Perfect Storm
Gentlemen's Club
Posted - 2007.10.31 11:19:00 - [124]
 

Quote:
We‘ve actually revamped the entire in-flight UI in EVE so that specific items can be detached and moved around freely!


Me love you looong time :)


Susan Acid
Posted - 2007.10.31 11:39:00 - [125]
 

Edited by: Susan Acid on 31/10/2007 11:40:40
I was hoping for a new design.It still looks crap.

Uber Ya?Laughing


Random Caldari
Posted - 2007.10.31 11:42:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: Random Caldari on 31/10/2007 11:47:44
Hate to throw negativity into this post where you seems to be getting loads of luvin but...

Have you tried the new overview on resolutions below 1600x1200

I'm using 1280x1024 the res of my lcd so screen space is a little more limited.

Frustrations I found with the new overview are.

1) The window covers the command buttons. so I cant have it extnded all the way down the right hand side of my screen anymore otherwise I cant activate half my controls.

2) I cant extend the overview sidways anymore to reveal extra columns when needed.
I have to first find the unpin button, unpin the window , extend it , then repin it.
Rather cumbersome compared to the current overview.

3) The buttons on the selected item panel are too small.

4) when the overview goes screwy theres no way to manually reset it anymore.
E.G.
I set my destination to system A.
Stargate A dutifully highlights on the overview.
I change my mind and set my destination to a different system.
I know the route and am expecting Stargate C to be highlighted.
But it isnt, in fact stargate A and Stargate B are now highlighted both of them wrong.
I try to "flip" the overview to correct it.
But this is no longer possible I try to minimise and resize it , but this does not help.

Is there a way to reset the overview when all the colours go completely wrong ?
Or are you actually planning to fix the issue with bad colour coding in the first place ?


On the subject of the disappearing ( pin / close / minimise ) buttons on the windows in general.
The question has to be WHY ?

For a minor asthetic improvement you have impacted the functionality of the UI.

I dont ever remember seeing this type of functionality in any other UI.
It is irritating tbh.

I know the control is there but I cant see it. so it affects my eye hand co-ordination.
It now takes twice the time to achive the simple task of minimising an unwanted window.

Its kinda like looking for a switch in the dark.
Whereas before the lights where always on.



Sylia
Flirtacious
Posted - 2007.10.31 11:52:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: Sylia on 31/10/2007 12:15:02
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Sylia
Have u tried lockign target with this new overiew and noticed that they are now totally under the overview if u dotn move it down wastign a huge chunk of room at the top of the screen?
If you look at your screenshot then you will notice a targeting icon in the top-right corner. Move it and then you move the the locked targets. We'll look into why they are on the far right (didn't happen on my computer...), the default location should be as before, slightly to the left of the overview.
Originally by: Menellaix
The ship control panel is still stuck in the bottom center as well.
Future thing we are considering, as a part of dual-monitor support.


I may be beign dumb, but i cant see how to move them or a targeting ion in the top right that I can move unless I move the overview itself


On secodn thoughts, from what ive read sinc ethat reply it will be a change after a patch.

Well weekend patch = fanfest, so till monday i dont care anyways, Iceland here I come

Ar'tee
DarkStar 1
Posted - 2007.10.31 12:04:00 - [128]
 

Edited by: Ar''tee on 31/10/2007 12:08:05
So basically, you are redesigning the overview UI so you can better accommodate the Eve Chat Client.

This is futile, because nobody will use the built-in Eve Voice Chat anyway. Here is why:

1. In case of client lag (i.e. essentially during any fleet PvP these days) you cannot control the voice chat. This is not a problem when using TS.
2. You have to be logged in to Eve in order to use voice chat. Forget about coordinating immediate post-DT logons, situations where the node crashes, server instability etc (yes I know, this is completely unheard of in Eve Rolling Eyes ). This is not a problem when using TS.
3. You have to be in fleet for this to work. When you CTD, or drop gang to improve performance in laggy situations, you lose voice chat. This is not a problem when using TS.

While issue (3) is a result of the current implementation, (1) and (2) are inherent to integrating Voice Chat with the eve client, and are thus fundamental, unsolvable issues (from CCP's perspective).

I would therefore suggest not wasting too much time on it. Instead, how about focusing on solving lag or hiring some actual UI design guy to redo the client UI?

Ulviirala Vauryndar
Gallente
Vauryndar Dalharil
Posted - 2007.10.31 12:40:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Menellaix
Edited by: Menellaix on 30/10/2007 17:56:14
Originally by: Sylia
Heres a shot I just took off of sisi

So the targets still clutter the top of the screen? And avatars are still drawn in the chat channel member list?


No, it is a work in progress and not the final result of the revamp. Obviously. And it is a great preview so far, I'm really looking forward. It would be almost perfect if EVE would not stall for split seconds, for example when opening wrecks or when wrecks close if you emtpy it, in the market window or when opening other windows, usually the ones with loading (people & places) and rendering times (lots of control elements).

Could we get the fleet member (squad member) list and the flat list sorted alphabetically, please? It is sure a help when searching for people :)


Elementatia
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.10.31 12:49:00 - [130]
 

Well, nice you are do overhauling the UI. It needs it.

One wish for the next pach/upgrade. Please make the update so, that the overview settings are not reset !

Or if you can´t change it...make it saveable in a file i can copy !


Khalm
Red Federation
Posted - 2007.10.31 13:14:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: Khalm on 31/10/2007 13:14:25


Is it possible to relocate the HUD? I want it, so I have to have it!


Also need more font options. Current ones are way too small in high resolutions.




Celiss
Escape Goats
Brutally Clever Empire
Posted - 2007.10.31 13:43:00 - [132]
 

Improvements to the UI are far more important to my enjoyment than random features like Heat (not to say Heat is bad, but I'd take some basic UI improvements I use constantly over an extra feature).

How about font selection? Allow us to use some other fonts, like Verdana. Something that's been in most computer programs since 1984. An expansion or two ago, you could unofficially replace the font yourself, and it worked fine. I'd like to be able to *choose* from a couple fonts, or at least, allow us to modify the font ourselves once again.

Xaen
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2007.10.31 14:02:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Celiss
Improvements to the UI are far more important to my enjoyment than random features like Heat (not to say Heat is bad, but I'd take some basic UI improvements I use constantly over an extra feature).

How about font selection? Allow us to use some other fonts, like Verdana. Something that's been in most computer programs since 1984. An expansion or two ago, you could unofficially replace the font yourself, and it worked fine. I'd like to be able to *choose* from a couple fonts, or at least, allow us to modify the font ourselves once again.

I don't think CCP actually has any GUI people. They don't seem to know their rectum from a hole in the ground when it comes to good GUI design.

Actions that require 18 steps aren't seen as a problem.

Making the entire game wait on market data seems fine to them. Probably because they're all sitting 2-3 hops from the servers and don't see a problem.

Modal dialogs with only an OK button are fine and dandy to them.

It's completely absurd.

Nemtar Nataal
Demonic Retribution
Posted - 2007.10.31 14:40:00 - [134]
 

This is a very cool face lift awsom work guys.

I would like to add some thing though.

Its hard to setup a fleet in the first place and it dosnt seem that the UI for moving people around have been changed.

Anyway some last minute suggestions for the UI and yes they are mostlikely to late but here goes.

Arrow Quarry ship ships
Arrow Quarry fittings
Arrow Leadership skills
Arrow Move more then one player at one time

The reason im suggestion this changes is that peopel are not alwayes listening up when the fleet is getting organized.
As FC it can be a pain in the ass moving people around making room for them (you name it).

Now if you as FC/Boss wore able to quarry the diffrent things that ultimately determins where in a fleet a certent pilote belongs then he or she could quarry lets say points and move all taclers into the same squard('s).

Or you could quait quickly move all your heavy hitters into the same wing with the best bonuses. Maybe move all shield tankers into a special wing cause some guy in a commandship have got bether skills then the FC.

Give people the tool to get the best fleet configuration they can imagin.

Ultimately FC's could have a template (script) that did all the sording for them. That way you can put a fleet together in absolutely no time. With a script/template you might even be able to direct a player to the corect place in the fleet the second he/she accept the gang invite.

I know all this things are going to be breaking the privacy of players and potentially have an effect on the CCP database structure. Anyway there might be a smarter way of doing this things i just think thies imformation should be avalible to the FC.

Aaron Min
Genco
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.31 14:53:00 - [135]
 

Is there going to be an align to option that actually aligns the fleet, rather then just showing where to align? I have always found it annoying that there isn't one. And it would certainly be helpful if there was.

Garat Mant
Moons of Pluto
Space Exploration and Logistic Services
Posted - 2007.10.31 15:21:00 - [136]
 

Zulupark, you sure are getting both love (fleet command improvements) and hate (carrier drama) recently!

Thank you so much for looking at the UI, I love the changes you have shown so far, but I have some questions and suggestions.

*) Key bindings. We definitely need key bindings for "recall drones", "next locked target", "drones mine/rep/attack target", "launch drone group #". Keys are much faster for repeated actions than mouse movements. Plus with the EVE UI the targets for clicking the mouse are often very, very small.

*) Will the UI released this winter be rendered/computed by the graphics card or will the windows be rendered "on top" of the 3D content.

Wow. This laptop just hard reset, but firefox saved the session and all the text above this.

*) Take a leaf from firefox's book and make characters rejoin gangs etc when they log back in after a disconnect.

*) You need to improve the indicators for active modules. I'm sure that you've had a lot of feedback on this issue but I need to say it again. Blurry light green halos around active modules has to go. On anything other than black space, it's very difficult to tell what is active.

*) The static areas of the screen need to be able to move. Please make it so I can drag the system information list and the ship info layout around the screen.

eLLioTT wave
Art of War
Posted - 2007.10.31 15:46:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Future thing we are considering, as a part of dual-monitor support.


This just made my day!!! Please put it in asap! (Also if it's done right we should be able to use it for more than 2 screens?)

possesion
Posted - 2007.10.31 16:07:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: possesion on 31/10/2007 16:07:01
If you customize your UI then will the changes be held on the server or local client? I use multiple machines and multiple accounts. Everyday some time is spent tweaking window locations as is. It would be of huge benefit if the changes followed the account from computer to computer.

Brixer
Dai Dai Hai
Posted - 2007.10.31 16:55:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: possesion
Edited by: possesion on 31/10/2007 16:07:01
If you customize your UI then will the changes be held on the server or local client? I use multiple machines and multiple accounts. Everyday some time is spent tweaking window locations as is. It would be of huge benefit if the changes followed the account from computer to computer.


I've been thinking about this for a while too. If your computer is in a network with roaming profiles all your settings is lost during reboot too Sad

Please, atleast move the settings out of '<User>\Local Settings\Programdata' to '<user>\programdata'


Fatsam
Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.10.31 17:00:00 - [140]
 

I hope the FC's chat text will appear a different colour in gang chat.

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2007.10.31 17:20:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Random Caldari
2) I cant extend the overview sidways anymore to reveal extra columns when needed. I have to first find the unpin button, unpin the window , extend it , then repin it. Rather cumbersome compared to the current overview.
Please read the thread, we're changing this in the SiSi patch this weekend.
Originally by: Random Caldari
4) when the overview goes screwy theres no way to manually reset it anymore. E.G. I set my destination to system A. Stargate A dutifully highlights on the overview. I change my mind and set my destination to a different system. I know the route and am expecting Stargate C to be highlighted. But it isnt, in fact stargate A and Stargate B are now highlighted both of them wrong.
Known issue, we're working on it.
Originally by: Random Caldari
On the subject of the disappearing ( pin / close / minimise ) buttons on the windows in general. The question has to be WHY?
Less clutter, especially when you have pinned the windows.

Mahkla
The Really Useful Corporation
Posted - 2007.10.31 17:35:00 - [142]
 

There's some nice stuff there.

The one thing that I really think needs attention is the EW notifications. If I'm in a fight, I need to see if I'm warp scrambled or webbed or tracking disrupted etc. Graphical effects don't cut it as everyone involved in fleet fight turns off turrets and effects. Text notifications get lost and overwritten by damage notifications.

Please, give me little red/blue/green lights somewhere so I can see easily so I can see instantly that I'm being EW'd.

Eve Voice is a bit redundant in my opinion. I don't know anyone that uses it, and while it's a paid-for-extra, the vast majority of people never will use it. Not while teamspeak servers are so easy to come by.


Gridwalker
Amarr
Divine Power.
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.31 18:51:00 - [143]
 

Zulupark,

Glad you finally got a dev blog that shows we can send some love instead of just hate. The GUI improvements actually are improvements--good job.

The GUI still looks old and tired, though. I think we were hoping for a revamp, and possibly even an XML template which can be adjusted to fit each of our individual needs. Personally, I think the way chat works is fine--I like keeping my chat channels separate. The next person that says "Look how WoW does it!" should probably be drawn and quartered. ;-)

What I do not see is how the drone interface is being enhanced. It would be super if you could do a dev blog on the thinking in this area. As it stands, managing drones is a bit clumsy. Grouping needs improvement. Deploying and controlling them needs improvement. Knowing what your drones are up to needs a LOT of improvement. :)

-Grid

Anwylyd Al'Vos
The Knights Templar
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.10.31 19:07:00 - [144]
 

Looks nice, though I don't know anyone that uses eve voice, personally use ts... but as for the ui changes, I'll wait for the finished product on tq before passing judgment... I would like to see, however, maybe the last 5-10 combat messages scrolling themselves during combat at least so I can tell when I'm scram'd on top of a web, as the current visuals don't make the distinction...

Also moving the middle stats display and modules will be nice, hope that's not a soon tm thing.

Alz Shado
EverFlow
Posted - 2007.10.31 19:12:00 - [145]
 

Since we're all up for some UI lovin, how about station services? A while back we finally got the fittings screen into it's own window. How soon until the others, like medical services and repairs, don't require us to minimize every open window to be able to use?

Mioelnir
Minmatar
Cataclysm Enterprises
Ev0ke
Posted - 2007.10.31 19:25:00 - [146]
 

I'll be a bad boy and crosspost a bit, but I think this should look like that.

Awesome job otherwise so far.

FireFoxx80
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.10.31 19:41:00 - [147]
 

I don't mean to sound funny... but you are desperately trying to get people on to Eve Voice, yet not supporting those who clearly don't want to use it. The past 3 live dev blogs are still missing transcripts, and there appears to be no hope of getting them.

Thargor II
Amarr
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
Posted - 2007.10.31 19:58:00 - [148]
 

Hi just wanted to say....everything sounds nice. I don't think Eve Voice is going to get much use from people that already use Vent/TS, but hey that not saying this voice is "bad" in the way it operates. I like the controls you are giving the Squad, Wing, and FC for controlling coms. When this comes out as a stand alone program an not dependent for the Eve client to be running then I expect lots of people will be using it. I mean if you are playing some TF2 and are on TS and a big fight in Eve kicks off at least someone can drop into your channel and tell you to log back into the game.

Anazeteo Euphoria
Euphoria Research
Posted - 2007.10.31 21:21:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Amaki Tint
Now all we need is out of game functionality and someone might use EVE voice >.>


Agreed. Most players aren't going to use in-game voice chat until you can maintain it active when the client crashes. For some roles it's VITAL to let someone know if you crashed. With vent/TS, you can.

Chruker
Posted - 2007.10.31 21:32:00 - [150]
 

While the ability to configure shortcuts for the basic drone command is nice. It would be even nicer if you could split up the launch command so that it is launch drone group 1 launch drone group 2 etc.

Also I love the addition of the focus fire drone setting. An addition could be spread fire, where a drone will not chose a target that another drone already has. So if you ex. have a mission with 10 dumb rats in rookie ships. You can get the drones to each take one rat, instead of 2-3 on the same rat.


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