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James Don
Swedish Aerospace Inc
G00DFELLAS
Posted - 2007.10.26 11:26:00 - [1]
 

Ok I'm taking all orders and giggles at the UK today, it appears our Lords (like politicians only not elected) have clearly lost their minds.

Speaking at a forum for Virtual Worlds have indicated a need to police virtual worlds.

Quote:
Triesman, who looks after intellectual property at the Department of Innovation, Universities and Skills, also mentioned that New Labour bugbear, anti-social behaviour, surely a sign that the virtual ASBO is on its way


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/26/virtual_worlds/

Goons watch out Laughing


000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2007.10.26 11:30:00 - [2]
 

Big Brother is watching u... even in EVE Evil or Very Mad

Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2007.10.26 11:38:00 - [3]
 

I'm glad that the US isn't the only country with a Ted Stevens ...then again, maybe I shouldn't be.
Laughing

Indigo Johnson
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.10.26 11:40:00 - [4]
 

Wasn't there a plan a while ago to put a RL tax on virtually earned income?

Snackerlfang
Posted - 2007.10.26 11:45:00 - [5]
 

to the op.

I don't see why it is funny. Although EVE is a virtual world, it can still be used by people for illegitimate ends, other than gaming enjoyment.

As far as thereg is concerned, its very related to my RL job and industry so I follow it religiously. I am not certain if it is there or just off a random gaming website - i read that terrorists are using in game communications as a method of planning, passing information and such between each other.

I definately read about about a WoW clan being banned for sexual roleplay orientating around paedophillia.

As electronic virtual items become more valuable and available for sale, money will be laundered thru the sales and purchase of these items.

E-Bullying of schoolkids is rife on facebook, myspace etc.

Its becoming apparent that the internet as an entity is becoming more and more entertwined with the real world that policing it is essential.

I and many others do not view this decision as laughable.
I actually think its a sad necessity.

Doonoo Boonoo
Posted - 2007.10.26 11:54:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: James Don
Ok I'm taking all orders and giggles at the UK today, it appears our Lords (like politicians only not elected) have clearly lost their minds.

Speaking at a forum for Virtual Worlds have indicated a need to police virtual worlds.

Goons watch out Laughing




Why only Goons?What about your bottom sucking pals and all their 1 man alt corps arguing in COAD?What about all the people in your worthless little alliance that use npc alts to smack in COAD?Should they watch out as well???????Rolling Eyes

We already have a police of sorts and its called ISD or the [email protected]




Johho Bulon
Gallente
Freelancer Union
Unaffiliated
Posted - 2007.10.26 11:56:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Johho Bulon on 26/10/2007 11:56:48
Originally by: Snackerlfang
to the op.

I don't see why it is funny. Although EVE is a virtual world, it can still be used by people for illegitimate ends, other than gaming enjoyment.

As far as thereg is concerned, its very related to my RL job and industry so I follow it religiously. I am not certain if it is there or just off a random gaming website - i read that terrorists are using in game communications as a method of planning, passing information and such between each other.

I definately read about about a WoW clan being banned for sexual roleplay orientating around paedophillia.

As electronic virtual items become more valuable and available for sale, money will be laundered thru the sales and purchase of these items.

E-Bullying of schoolkids is rife on facebook, myspace etc.

Its becoming apparent that the internet as an entity is becoming more and more entertwined with the real world that policing it is essential.

I and many others do not view this decision as laughable.
I actually think its a sad necessity.


It is laughable and it is not necessary in any respect.

People should be held accountable for their words and actions where they cross over into threats and plots of violence, sexual misconduct etc, there are already laws that cover this on the statute books.

There should in no way be blanket bans on certain topics or so called 'hate' speech or causing 'offence' to others.
No one has a 'right' not to be offended by something someone else can think or say, or to demand that someone not hate something they find hateful.

Going down that dark way chills honest debate and leads to self censorship, which has always been the best friend of Dictators.

Freedom of Speech FTW!

Ter Fordal
Posted - 2007.10.26 12:05:00 - [8]
 

Lol, no amount of interfering in the minutae of your day to day life or infringement of civil liverty would surprise me with this government.

We have the highest % of population on our DNA database out of any country, you are added upon arrest and not removed if found innocent. We have removed trial by jury in certain cases. We have scrapped double jeopardy. We have hounded foxhunters, anglers are next. We have banned smoking in pubs and empty bus shelters (yes many other European countries have done the same but we enforce it beyond the point of all reason), plastered warnings on everything, are probably going to tax fatty foods. We have swindled the public out of billions with mobile phone auctions and stealth pension raids and fiddled the books with off balance-sheet loans from private companies. We are regularly overcome with waves of national hysteria when latest peadophile panic grips the nation and everyone seems to lose all sense of perspective (Have YOU seen Madelaine McCann?). We have shot innocent men mistaking them for terrorists (man almighty what a **** up!) whilst the chief of police was pursuing his media career. We have become embroiled in an absolute quagmire of a war whilst Tony has lied and listened to God rather than the public. Now he's lining up a cushy little job in the UN or Europe or some other gravy train (Middle East peace envoy at one point?!?! noone else seemed to think this may be an unwise appointment).

Sheesh, UK has really gone down the pan imho.

Irob Urore
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.10.26 12:09:00 - [9]
 

like they dont have more pressing real life issues to worry about, what a bunch of DOUCHES!

Gaven Blands
Caldari
Cosmic Fusion
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2007.10.26 12:11:00 - [10]
 

From a governmental point of view, virtual worlds are no different to telephones, websites or chat hosts.

The modern incarnation of government does not seek to represent or administer. It seeks to control and oppress. Sorry, this is not a popular truth, especially for the Americans or the British, but it is still the truth.

They will spy on you in every imagineable way, and several ways you'll never imagine. That they went to the trouble of publicising the Virtual World monitoring should tell you that the amount of crime being conducted there is pretty minimal in either quantity, impact or both.

It's what they're not telling us that is more important.

Ter Fordal
Posted - 2007.10.26 12:14:00 - [11]
 

As to the specific topic of the OP, you often find the vast majority of these things are covered under law already and new laws always introduce problems as they never seem to be drafted correctly. I can't believe that making threats via in game chat, email, telephone or face to face contact are not already offenses when the person has a reasonable fear that the threat is real. Any sort of virtual theft is either allowed by the game mechanics or is surely covered under hacking laws. Piling more and more laws on top of each other just makes an almighty mess. Just another example of the government trying to show they are in touch with the yoof. Get this Lord whatsimaface on Eve so he can do some research on griefing. I'm sure we will make him feel welcome.

Kimiko Kurosawa
The Krugerrand Groupies
Posted - 2007.10.26 12:22:00 - [12]
 

Meh, ASBOs don't work in the real world anyway. Its just another pointless excercise from the plethora of QUANGOs that have to justify their extortionate salaries somehow.

Xen Gin
Silurian Operations
Posted - 2007.10.26 12:27:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Xen Gin on 26/10/2007 12:27:10
This is why next time I'm voting Plaid, time to jump off the sinking boat that is the UK national government.

Troezar
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.10.26 12:42:00 - [14]
 

Beware the thin end of the wedge!

As for control by governments I can see why they want to. As population grows and we all rely more and more on the complex infrastructure in the west what do you think would happen if the final balance was disrupted? Imo food supply is our greatest weakness, no food in Tesco's and you're going to get hungry pretty fast!

We are slaves to technology and if it ever fails us let's hope someone can mantain order...

Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.10.26 12:48:00 - [15]
 

CCP (and all other gaming companies) should tell all the would be overseers...

$15 a month.

And then ban them when they share accounts with other folks, or investigate/look up other peoples' personal data.

Stick it to the man!

Louis DelaBlanche
An Outlying Variable
Posted - 2007.10.26 12:48:00 - [16]
 

I wouldnt be too worried. The House of Lords is where disagreeable members of the Commons, rich party backers, "retired MPs" & popular headline grabbers for the government are sent. There they can make as much noise as they like about whatever they want, & it doesnt have the slightest impact on anything. Theres a reason Disraili described the Lords as "Dead, but in the Alyssian Fields."

Since this guy wasnt even speaking as a government official but as a speaker at a tekky convention, his words are even more just hot air. Till a government minister from the Commons announces it, its nothing to worry about Very Happy

James Don
Swedish Aerospace Inc
G00DFELLAS
Posted - 2007.10.26 13:02:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: James Don on 26/10/2007 13:11:42
To a few of you this is light hearted I would have thought that clear by the OP.

Yes there is a need for action where it crosses boundrys like child abuse etc but thats all ready covered.

Oh and I said goons cos well im on the opposite side and know what they are like, hell I heven have one at work it again was a light hearted dig if you cant see this step back from the pc for a bit!.

Back on topic Its more amusing at the thought of the police turning up at your door for calling someone a noob in local Laughing

Originally by: Indigo Johnson
Wasn't there a plan a while ago to put a RL tax on virtually earned income?


Yea that was actually worrying! the thought of getting a tax bill from inland revenue of some hundereds of thousands of pounds for your income of 1bil isk Laughing

But actuall that was more looking at the games where its acceptible to turn in game currency into R/L currency and the Govt want a peice of that as it is genuinly an income!

Gericault m0id
Gallente Mercantile Exchange
Posted - 2007.10.26 13:14:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche
I wouldnt be too worried. The House of Lords is where disagreeable members of the Commons, rich party backers, "retired MPs" & popular headline grabbers for the government are sent. There they can make as much noise as they like about whatever they want, & it doesnt have the slightest impact on anything. Theres a reason Disraili described the Lords as "Dead, but in the Alyssian Fields."


On the other hand, they're politicians without a need to worry about votes. Hence they speak their minds which is very refreshing. Unfortunately, some of their minds are a bit effed up given they have married their cousins and sisters over the past decades.

Kirjava
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.10.26 13:17:00 - [19]
 

I would please like to have some of what Gordon Brown is smoking.
The governemt disgusts me, what is needed is to throw away all this overkill in political correctness and why the hell would someone feel the need to regulate the internet - it is essentialy the personification of the human mind.
With anominity noone knows that it is realy what you think - given the internet is a series of interconnected computer networks - what gives the governemt the right to say what can pass through these damned things.
Am I alone in considering proposing a new Colony in Antarctica to get away from this political bull****?

Kirjava
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.10.26 13:19:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Kirjava on 26/10/2007 13:20:24
Originally by: James Don
But actuall that was more looking at the games where its acceptible to turn in game currency into R/L currency and the Govt want a peice of that as it is genuinly an income!

If that should happen I will assume that the governemt is giving me the nod to turn my isk into pounds.
CCP should lobby if they do not like this view.

Ziu
Wraith Recondite
Posted - 2007.10.26 13:21:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Originally by: James Don
Ok I'm taking all orders and giggles at the UK today, it appears our Lords (like politicians only not elected) have clearly lost their minds.

Speaking at a forum for Virtual Worlds have indicated a need to police virtual worlds.

Goons watch out Laughing




Why only Goons?What about your bottom sucking pals and all their 1 man alt corps arguing in COAD?What about all the people in your worthless little alliance that use npc alts to smack in COAD?Should they watch out as well???????Rolling Eyes

We already have a police of sorts and its called ISD or the [email protected]


Calm down, at least until you post with your main. I thought that the Goons were rather proud of their reputation as antagonistic players anyway ... ?

Mr Bodacious
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.10.26 13:25:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Indigo Johnson
Wasn't there a plan a while ago to put a RL tax on virtually earned income?


In full effect in the US. Hence why all farmers are chinese. :)

They did this because the CEOs of these farmer companies were working part-time at McDonalds, paying taxes there and then having an untaxed income exceeding several hundred thousand.

Ter Fordal
Posted - 2007.10.26 13:32:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: James Don
Edited by: James Don on 26/10/2007 13:11:42
To a few of you this is light hearted I would have thought that clear by the OP.



They just make me sooooo mad!!!! Slightest provocation has me pounding out angry replies whilst frothing at the mouth.

James Don
Swedish Aerospace Inc
G00DFELLAS
Posted - 2007.10.26 13:52:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Mr Bodacious
Originally by: Indigo Johnson
Wasn't there a plan a while ago to put a RL tax on virtually earned income?


In full effect in the US. Hence why all farmers are chinese. :)

They did this because the CEOs of these farmer companies were working part-time at McDonalds, paying taxes there and then having an untaxed income exceeding several hundred thousand.


U'd have thought with all the Porsches and Ferraris round the back someone would have gotten suspicious Laughing

Baleur
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.10.26 13:59:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Baleur on 26/10/2007 14:02:33
Originally by: Snackerlfang

As far as thereg is concerned, its very related to my RL job and industry so I follow it religiously. I am not certain if it is there or just off a random gaming website - i read that terrorists are using in game communications as a method of planning, passing information and such between each other.



Are you KIDDING ME? People like You are the reason the entire "terrorism threat" bull**** gets rednecks elected as presidents.. I dont even know where to begin.
Its like a year ago when the UK airlines stopped allowing liquids on the flights, out of fear that "maby" a terrorist would think of using liquid explosives. So every single paying traveler had to dump all their liquid stuff, shampoo, coffee, ****in milk in bottles for BABIES for crying out loud!

Its people like you that makes the goverment think these kinds of actions are acceptable, which they definetly are NOT.
Its pathetic and only harms the 99.99% that ever get on the plane or in the game world, honest non-terrorist gamers. I'd rather live in a world with a 0.001% chance to die in a terrorist attack than in a world where i cant even take off my shoes without someone calling the stewardess saying there might be a bomb in them. yeah a smelly bomb!
Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

The real terrorists must be frackin laughing their asses off when viewing the news in american and europeian countries. Because its pathetic! Whats next? Are we gonna have to strip naked (to make Sure we dont have explosives under our jackets) everytime we wanna go on a train?
Frack it! Stop accepting that kind of idiocy, yes terrorists suck, but they are so tiny and few in comparison to the entire rest of the worlds population, that gets affected by these idiotic goverment "security protocols"

Louis DelaBlanche
An Outlying Variable
Posted - 2007.10.26 14:02:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Gericault m0id
Originally by: Louis DelaBlanche
I wouldnt be too worried. The House of Lords is where disagreeable members of the Commons, rich party backers, "retired MPs" & popular headline grabbers for the government are sent. There they can make as much noise as they like about whatever they want, & it doesnt have the slightest impact on anything. Theres a reason Disraili described the Lords as "Dead, but in the Alyssian Fields."


On the other hand, they're politicians without a need to worry about votes. Hence they speak their minds which is very refreshing. Unfortunately, some of their minds are a bit effed up given they have married their cousins and sisters over the past decades.


Im not saying their voiciung of genuine opinions is necessarily a bad thing. Just that when they do theres no reason to believe that there will be any consequence to what they say. But debating the consitutional ins & outs of the house of Lords is for a different topic Very Happy

Wigglytuff
Perkone
Posted - 2007.10.26 14:10:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Snackerlfang
E-Bullying of schoolkids is rife on facebook, myspace etc.




Bullying is only an issue now because parents, in general, are failures these days, and raise soft, thin-skinned kids and when a problem arises instead of the kid getting tough, they get babied and made worse.

Kinda like politics and how people who confront hostiles are viewed as monsters. It's the exact same way with kids. I had someone post a death threat online against me in highschool and I was told if I got physical with the kid, I would be expelled. They simply told him he had to have a pysch evaluation.


People don't need policing. They need to have the freedom to take care of themselves, not be enslaved by a government. Christ that's one of the principles that the US was founded on, people taking care of themselves and being responsible for themselves.

Kastar
Paragon Horizons
THORN Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.26 14:10:00 - [28]
 

Speaking of which, we had an article in the newspaper this week about the UK being the "sick fat old man" of Europe.

I QUOTE, IT'S NOT A PERSONAL OPINION, mind you Smile

Anyway, I was quite surprised since I always thought we belgians were the laughing stock, after all, we live on without a government since June 10th :)

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2007.10.26 14:21:00 - [29]
 

Neutral

Nuala Reece
Caldari
TROJAN LEGIONS
TROJAN.
Posted - 2007.10.26 16:44:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Ter Fordal
As to the specific topic of the OP, you often find the vast majority of these things are covered under law already and new laws always introduce problems as they never seem to be drafted correctly. I can't believe that making threats via in game chat, email, telephone or face to face contact are not already offenses when the person has a reasonable fear that the threat is real. Any sort of virtual theft is either allowed by the game mechanics or is surely covered under hacking laws. Piling more and more laws on top of each other just makes an almighty mess. Just another example of the government trying to show they are in touch with the yoof. Get this Lord whatsimaface on Eve so he can do some research on griefing. I'm sure we will make him feel welcome.


Well history shows us that, where governments are concerned, the triviality of already having adequate laws under which to prosecute people (eg for harassment, child ****, ID fraud, money laundering and copyright infringement as mentioned in the reg article) should never be allowed to stand in the way of spending tax payers' money on a raft of new laws to cover exactly the same offences if it will double as a way to exploit fears whipped up by the tabloid press. Why, if the gvt took the approach of not making new laws when the old ones are working fine we wouldn't have got all those excellent new restrictions of our freedoms under the cloak of allowing the police to arrest terrorists who commit murder under a different law than, well, the old law against murdering people Rolling Eyes

"That government is best which governs least"


 

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