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Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.24 20:55:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 26/10/2007 23:28:29
Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 26/10/2007 23:28:05
Turns out the uber Warp Disruption Field Generator, which having looked at the stats:

16km bubble
-1 warp str
-90% ab/mwd max velocity bonus
50% signature radius bonus
-80% mass reduction
-80% ab/mwd thrust

seems like the perfect thing to combat CCP's idiotic Speedtanking.

NO. The bubble is there, but YOUR AB/MWD max velocity is gimped, YOUR AB/MWD thrust is gimped, Your Signature Radius is Larger. 1792m/s Broadsword -10mn T2 mwd active before activating WDFG- dropped to 420m/s.

Btw... This module does nothing to the ab/MWD module fitted to ships caught inside the bubble, it's just a mobile 16km area affect 1 pt scram. Useless CCP. Interdictors don't have anything to fear, they'll still have their job when the Heavy's role out.

Fitted 3 WCS to my Broadsword to check:
21:00:00 Hint You are within a warp disruption zone. Get 16800.0 meters from Futher Bezluden's Broadsword to warp.

Even fit ship has 2 stabs fit, Its still stuck in your bubble. Don't expect it to act like "Warp Dis Probes" and pull people out of warp off the gate.

You can cloak and pop the warp dis field -for 30s at least, then it goes offline.

Useful in Empire??? THIS IS A 0.0 Module Only. 1.0 to 0.1 space:
21:20:04 Notify You cannot do that because it is currently against empire policy to launch, anchor or control objects of that type within their jurisdictions.

Also, you can't be remote repped at all when it's active.

This Module does not prevent capital ships from cyno jumping out at the moment. It prevents warp out.
The bubble moves with the ship, not just pooped out in space like the warp disrupt probe while the dictor runs off at top speed.

For clarity:
Does not prevent cyno jumping out of the field.
AB/MWD max velocity and thrust penalty: Applies currently only to the ab/mwd fitted to the heavy interdictor.
Bubble moves with the ship. It is not dropped in space like warp disrupt probe. It is a no-warp field and no matter how many wcs target fits will not be able to warp.
While Bubble is Active the Heavy Interdictor cannot warp and cannot recieve logistics support.
Heavy Dictor Bubble will not "Pull" people out of warp like warp disrupt probes and anchorable bubbles do.
Cannot be activated in 1.0 to 0.1 space.

*If you have a MOM on SISI, get a heavy dictor to test if it prevents your MOM from warping out. Haven't been able to test it.

Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Navigators of the Abyss
Posted - 2007.10.24 21:48:00 - [2]
 

Yeah, that pretty much sucks.

Vitrael
Reaper Industries
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.10.24 21:50:00 - [3]
 

Yeah, there's nothing more useless than a 20km diameter dictor bubble with a HAC tank. Rolling Eyes

All I can say to mommy / titan pilots is: look out.

Monticore D'Muertos
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.10.24 21:52:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Monticore D''Muertos on 24/10/2007 21:52:51
all you have to do is hope nobody fits mwds and that everybody in the apposing gang flys right at you and your golden.

Wigglytuff
Perkone
Posted - 2007.10.24 21:58:00 - [5]
 

You mean it's not just a bigger interdictor?

We have two different types of ships with their own ups and downs?

Hell yeah!Very HappyVery HappyVery Happy

Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.24 22:01:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Vitrael
Yeah, there's nothing more useless than a 20km diameter dictor bubble with a HAC tank. Rolling Eyes

All I can say to mommy / titan pilots is: look out.


19.2 with heavy dictor 4. BTW, regular dictors do that already and don't get stuck in space going 400m/s with their mwd running.

queen1121
Empire Dreams
Posted - 2007.10.24 22:01:00 - [7]
 

Does it work on supercaps! ?



Acinonyx Jubatus
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.10.24 22:01:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Acinonyx Jubatus on 24/10/2007 22:08:02
I'm sure they have their own use... example, park one in a gate, pop it up when something might come through, uh oh, seems we better get out of here, bubble deactivates in nearly no time versus the other bubbles and you all warp.

No need to A. carry warp probes(they eventually run out) and wait the 2 minutes if you need a sudden change in plans, or B. Haul an anchorable bubble aound, eating cargo and a decent sized time to anchor/online.

Think of it as a living breathing anchorable bubble with guns/missiles. Not to mention if you drop a bubble it's there and...well it's stuck there, with this you can pop the bubble up, test its area and adjust accordingly, or if a ship comes through and you approach, you slightly lower his chance of escaping the bubble.


Edit: You actually seem to forget the Hyena, and even Keres which are coming out and probably a heck of a lot cheaper than the heavy dictors. They're both frigs and both working togther can probably rain on a speed ship's day... unless they die(made harder with the damp bonus of the Keres) then the other better run.

zilllii
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
Posted - 2007.10.24 22:03:00 - [9]
 

the bubble should be 30k tbh.

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2007.10.24 22:08:00 - [10]
 

you didnt respond to my q's in other topic:

1. do WCS save you from it? (ie 1 point scram)?
2. does it drag from warp?
3. does it cause aggro?
4. does it work on supercaps?

Vitaki
Rens 911
Posted - 2007.10.24 22:41:00 - [11]
 

Sounds like it's going to be basically worthless. As soon as you pop off the bubble you get primaried and explode, you're warp scrambling, webbing and target painting yourself, who woulden't want to shoot at you? Also a lower range than existing bubbles? Existing dictor sounds better in every respect. Gate camping, fleet fights, small gang fights the dictor is going to be 10x more survivable.

They need to just rename the ship "the flying coffin".

Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.24 23:04:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Deva Blackfire
you didnt respond to my q's in other topic:

1. do WCS save you from it? (ie 1 point scram)?
2. does it drag from warp?
3. does it cause aggro?
4. does it work on supercaps?


1. NO
2. NO
3. YES -can't use in empire either
4. will not stop them from cyno jumping out. lag on SISI and DEV not watching local so not sure if it prevents warp out yet.

These need to be a gravity well...

Deva Blackfire
Viziam
Posted - 2007.10.24 23:08:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 24/10/2007 23:08:31
Originally by: Futher Bezluden
Originally by: Deva Blackfire
you didnt respond to my q's in other topic:

1. do WCS save you from it? (ie 1 point scram)?
2. does it drag from warp?
3. does it cause aggro?
4. does it work on supercaps?


1. NO
2. NO
3. YES -can't use in empire either
4. will not stop them from cyno jumping out. lag on SISI and DEV not watching local so not sure if it prevents warp out yet.

These need to be a gravity well...


AD3 - it has one advantage. When you camp gate, you automatically auto-aggro ppl who jump in = no logoffski will save you. You hover in space for 15 minutes :)

EDIT:
but lack of ability to drag ship from warp is **** :(

Yadee
Posted - 2007.10.24 23:23:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Yadee on 24/10/2007 23:24:08
This bubble follows the ship, or is it stationary like dictor bubbles ?

Azuse
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.10.24 23:38:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Azuse on 24/10/2007 23:38:51
It follows hence the speed (which sucks imo Laughing but thats eve) but the op is focusing solely on the mod rather than the ship.

It's also worth noting the purpose of these is not to replace but compliment the standard dictors, supposedly they're for tackling capital with a special mod which isn't on test yet while ccp finish the stats for it.

As for the ships they all get 5% to resists per heavy dictor lvl, they're tanks are insane even if damage is lacking.

E.G mimi hd has 6 mids, 5% bonus to resists with the base being the vagas base shield resist.

It sat in ffa 3, a myrm, cane, damnation and ishtar start shooting it. Myrm pops. Cane pops. Damnation gets bored and leaves, Ishtar runs out of drones (thx ccp) and gets bored. Then some poor astarte comes along and pops.

Caldari one is the same, it's dps is crappy (roughly caracal lvl but put a 500 dps hac on it it sits comfortably at 90/95% shield. Sisi may change at any time but these are tough buggers atm Twisted Evil

EDIT:
Originally by: Yadee
Edited by: Yadee on 24/10/2007 23:24:08
This bubble follows the ship, or is it stationary like dictor bubbles ?


It follows the ship.

Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.25 00:24:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 25/10/2007 00:24:30
yes, the initial viewing of the module was a bit misleading and I really got my hopes up that it was a gravity well generator capable of striking legitimate fear into nano-squads. The ships themselves are amazing things with tanks you wouldn't believe, CCP actually made a minmatar ship that pilots of other races will like flying.

Yes, the "5% armor resists" on the broadsword is a typo, it's 5% to shield resistances.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.10.25 02:13:00 - [17]
 

not that the ship could go fast with a mwd anyways, with such a gigantic mass (16m tons on the caldari one??).
guess this one will fit AB's instead mwd's.

it doesn't invalidate the analysis I made before: HI's are 200mil isk coffins.

oh and what's the deal with the phobos having more grid than the deimos?

Elenath
Gallente
Bluebird Capital Management
Posted - 2007.10.25 02:17:00 - [18]
 

F'ing moronic. WTG CCP. Why would ANYONE bother with a 16k warp bubble that requires putting what is going to likely be a VERY expensve ship on the line when a cheap dictor bubble from a cheap dictor actually does a BETTER job?!

Way to f'ing go, CCP.

Futher Bezluden
Minmatar
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.25 02:59:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
not that the ship could go fast with a mwd anyways, with such a gigantic mass (16m tons on the caldari one??).
guess this one will fit AB's instead mwd's.

it doesn't invalidate the analysis I made before: HI's are 200mil isk coffins.

oh and what's the deal with the phobos having more grid than the deimos?


To get to where you need to be -right in the middle of the blobfest- you need the mwd's speed to get in. There is nothing to prevent the blob from mwd'ing away from you currently. Perhaps with the "Script" to be introduced, it will be able to act as a "Web Field".

Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2007.10.25 06:17:00 - [20]
 

You already posted this in Game Development and got a CCP response. I'm fairly certain reposting it here violates some forum rule or other.

Khan Soriano
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.10.25 07:17:00 - [21]
 

It's good that heavy interdictors will have some flavor to them, penalty is harsh I agree but there are many ways to use this ships.

Just because you envisioned it would be a perfect anti-nano ship and it isn't doesn't mean it's useless.

What I wanted from this ships/modules:
1. Bubble usable in low-sec
2. 1 str bubble (not unlimited) so it wouldn't be that overpowered in low-sec
3. Don't pull ships from warp

I think this is almost exactly what we will get, vulnerable low-sec dictor.

Sinder Ohm
Demonic Corp
G00DFELLAS
Posted - 2007.10.25 07:46:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Elenath
F'ing moronic. WTG CCP. Why would ANYONE bother with a 16k warp bubble that requires putting what is going to likely be a VERY expensve ship on the line when a cheap dictor bubble from a cheap dictor actually does a BETTER job?!

Way to f'ing go, CCP.
Its 19.2 km with hacdictor 4.

1. Can someone confirm that 1 WCS doesnt negate the effects if they do that wouldnt be very usefull. (if they dont then why 1 point of strength dont make sense to me tbh)
2. I was hoping it could also fit the std dictor bubble launcher oh well
3. While I like the idea of a tanked moving dictor bubble (which will come very handy in bubbling MoMs and carriers) I think it sucks that the speed is completely nerfed, whats stopping hostiles from flying away at 600 ms+ to escape the bubble? nothing perhaps a slight speed penalty on target ships 30% penalty to tragets mwd/ab bonus.

Arana Tellen
Gallente
Clan Death Corps
Posted - 2007.10.25 08:05:00 - [23]
 

I was looking at the phobos.... you need a few rigs and imaganitive fit to get it working for more than 1 min (and cap skills at V).

Arana Tellen
Gallente
Clan Death Corps
Posted - 2007.10.25 08:07:00 - [24]
 

Oh and aparantly the bubble will have a separate capital tackling mode....

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2007.10.25 12:32:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Futher Bezluden
Originally by: Grimpak
not that the ship could go fast with a mwd anyways, with such a gigantic mass (16m tons on the caldari one??).
guess this one will fit AB's instead mwd's.

it doesn't invalidate the analysis I made before: HI's are 200mil isk coffins.

oh and what's the deal with the phobos having more grid than the deimos?


To get to where you need to be -right in the middle of the blobfest- you need the mwd's speed to get in. There is nothing to prevent the blob from mwd'ing away from you currently. Perhaps with the "Script" to be introduced, it will be able to act as a "Web Field".


...but as it stands, the regular interdictor is a cheaper and better way to interdict a blob

Azuse
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.10.25 13:19:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Futher Bezluden
Originally by: Grimpak
not that the ship could go fast with a mwd anyways, with such a gigantic mass (16m tons on the caldari one??).
guess this one will fit AB's instead mwd's.

it doesn't invalidate the analysis I made before: HI's are 200mil isk coffins.

oh and what's the deal with the phobos having more grid than the deimos?


To get to where you need to be -right in the middle of the blobfest- you need the mwd's speed to get in. There is nothing to prevent the blob from mwd'ing away from you currently. Perhaps with the "Script" to be introduced, it will be able to act as a "Web Field".


...but as it stands, the regular interdictor is a cheaper and better way to interdict a blob


And stationary, and a different ship class, and perform different functions. These ships are going, are, changing fleet and gang warfare in 0.0. They're the heaviest tanked tacklers around but i'd wait and see exactly how they effect carriers before condeming them.

If ccp reduce carriers effectiveness against smaller foes like they stated they will then these ships will be invaluable and their cap wont die instantly if neuted like and its would.

John Rackham
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.10.25 13:39:00 - [27]
 

I am happy with the news I am hearing.

Did you really think that CCP was going to create an area of efect module that would warp scramble and web pilots on it?

The bubble can already move towards people (albeit slowly), that is huge, has bonus to tanking (to compensate the painter you put yourself?).

His use won't be everyday, but I am sure that they are intended to bubble cap and supercaps... and that is what they are going to do...

Nyack
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.10.25 14:19:00 - [28]
 

most important is:

i know the heavy dictor cant be remote repped when field is active.. but can other ships caught in the bubble be repped?

can infact this ship be an effective counter to spiderweb tanking carrier blobs?

Zana Kito
Posted - 2007.10.25 14:52:00 - [29]
 

Given the huge mass decrease on the HI when its active.. imagine it charging into a pack of BSes and bubble up. An easy counter would be just get a vaga or something to bumb it at 8km/s and it goes flying ~50km away. Very Happy

As for the heavy tank, if you are putting your HI in 19.1km range to bubble stuff up.. expect heavy neuts to drain all your cap instantly. No cap, no tank.

William DeMeo
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2007.10.25 15:00:00 - [30]
 

How hard can it be to work around the speed nerf? Activate the mwd and pop the dictor bubble when you're within web range or just before your target warps? And what do you mean by not being able to activate them in empire. Can you activate them in lowsec or not?

And no, they're not making the interdictors useless. Seems to me the dictor HAC's will be good lowsec gatecampers, cabable of tanking sentries and catch anything without stabs, while the dictor will remain in use like previously.


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