Posted - 2007.10.23 22:49:00 - [62]

 

:P CCP. The beauty of the Eos was it's flexibility. It may suck as a fleet command but was perfect PVE ship and now it's next to useless.

Well time to sell her before she's left to gather dust in the hanger.

I mean what the hell sort of bonus is that when you can't bloody use it ? 150 is 3 sets of meds right ? so 210 bay at lev 4 is 4 sets of meds... er great... that's a great bonus... NOT.

Posted - 2007.10.23 23:09:00 - [64]

 

Originally by: dalman

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Sigh, CCP strikes again.

Yes, the Eos was a very good solo ship. Perhaps it was appropriate to nerf it, as this wasn't it's "intended" role.
And this nerf, removal of turrets and drone nerf (hey, remember it doesn't have a damage bonus plz!) makes it pretty much useless for solo PvP.

But the problem then is that the Eos is completely useless in it's "intended" role.
And I'm not talking about the "uselessness" of information links.
First off, the Eos has the worst tank of the 4 fleet ships. In a gang situation, where it's intended, it has by far the worst tank. For example, the rep bonus is pretty much useless, it's got a big sig radius, it only have 5 lows and it has a huge exp hole that has to be filled.
Except the fact that a plate doesn't get the resist bonus of damnation/vulture, it really lacks grid to fit one.
The fitting reqs also continue to haunt it when trying to fit gang links. You'll pretty much be flying with 4 empty highs (some exaggeration, but you can't fit decent guns).

Then there is the drone thing. Who is the dev @ CCP that is designing ships without understanding that drones are very useful in a solo fight but becomes more and more useless the more ships that are involved?

It's seriously some kind of achievement to come up with the idea of making a fleet ship that is based on drones and armor rep bonus, both of which are ******* useless in a fleet.

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I fully agree with you, but quite frankly CCP didn't do anything improve the curse/pilgrim gang abilities after nerfing it's solo abilities into the ground. Heck instead they decided to introduce a mini curse which even sucks more...

Posted - 2007.10.23 23:14:00 - [66]

 

Originally by: shinsushi

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Slightly overpowered?

HEy, with 5 turrets and 5 medium drones, the EOS will still be the # damage dealing fleet command ship won't it? How many DPS is it still pumping out anyway?

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Are you too busy whining about Amarr or are you joking?

Posted - 2007.10.23 23:39:00 - [68]

 

As a long term gallente pilot i cannot compare the eos to the other commandships, however i can say that i disagree with some of the changes to the ship. The bandwidth was an expected change and i can understand that and don't mind. But i vehemently disagree with the removal of 2 turrets from the ship. At most it should have just lost 1.

Not that happy in balance.

Barek

Posted - 2007.10.24 00:20:00 - [70]

 

Edited by: Incantare on 24/10/2007 00:41:47

Originally by: Vitaki

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Lolol they are nerfing the Myrmidon down to 75/125. Want some ketchup with your foot?

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I've known the Myrm would get nerfed for a while now, but you won't see whining about it. Reason is I consider it a good change, the Myrm will be on par with the other tier 2 BCs and I will continue to fly it. Not that it's getting two turrets ripped off.

Anyway, apart from one generally useful skill (heavy drone op) I didn't train specifically for it, I picked it up between the Drake and Thorax.

On the Eos:

Originally by: CCP Atropos

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The Eos has been brought in line with the other Fleet Command ships. It has, for a long time, been immensely overpowered compared to the Claymore, Damnation and Vulture. It was the only Fleet Command ship that could out damage it's equivalent Field Command. If you don't think that's wrong, then can I have some of what you're smoking?

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Posted - 2007.10.24 00:26:00 - [72]

 

dont nerf the myrm or the EOS any smart pilot will realize that they can one volley or two volley their drones. Why does CCP help those that cant think but screw those who have adapted?

Posted - 2007.10.24 01:15:00 - [74]

 

Originally by: hattifnatt

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Originally by: Horza Otho

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Edited by: Horza Otho on 23/10/2007 21:27:02

Originally by: Cornette

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To bad the whine crowd got what they asked for.

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The ship is grossly overpowered when compared to other fleet command ships. This wasnt a nerf, it was a balance and it got what it needed. Fly an Astarte.

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Why not boost the other fleet commands then? (they do suck bad.)

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I dont really think people understand. Your not supposed to solo in FLEET command ships. Heck, this is a mmog, your not supposed to really solo at all.

The point is that the Eos is now balanced with the rest of the command ships. It does low dps to coincide with the Damnation, Vulture and Claymore. If you want to do damage you should (omg) get a Astarte?

Posted - 2007.10.24 02:47:00 - [76]

 

Originally by: slothe

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eos was always overated tbh

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truth. its just the people on the losing end who whined enough to get it changed.

Posted - 2007.10.24 03:56:00 - [78]

 

Originally by: Praxis1452

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Originally by: Horza Otho

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Originally by: hattifnatt

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Originally by: Horza Otho

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Edited by: Horza Otho on 23/10/2007 21:27:02

Originally by: Cornette

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To bad the whine crowd got what they asked for.

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The ship is grossly overpowered when compared to other fleet command ships. This wasnt a nerf, it was a balance and it got what it needed. Fly an Astarte.

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Why not boost the other fleet commands then? (they do suck bad.)

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I dont really think people understand. Your not supposed to solo in FLEET command ships. Heck, this is a mmog, your not supposed to really solo at all.

The point is that the Eos is now balanced with the rest of the command ships. It does low dps to coincide with the Damnation, Vulture and Claymore. If you want to do damage you should (omg) get a Astarte?

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well why doesn't CCP just make a A kills B kills C kills A system. Because it's boring. Ships have roles and bonuses help them toward roles but if a ships can solo there is no reason why it shouldn't. CCP should not force people to play a certain way. Also soloing is quite fine in Eve, just because you believe everyone needs another person to play with doesn't mean that the devs should actively stamp it out.

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Its not what i believe its what ccp encourages through the way they make their game.

Posted - 2007.10.24 04:25:00 - [80]

 

Originally by: hattifnatt

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Originally by: Horza Otho

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Edited by: Horza Otho on 23/10/2007 21:27:02

Originally by: Cornette

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To bad the whine crowd got what they asked for.

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The ship is grossly overpowered when compared to other fleet command ships. This wasnt a nerf, it was a balance and it got what it needed. Fly an Astarte.

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Why not boost the other fleet commands then? (they do suck bad.)

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Because Fleet Commands are suppose to be decent damage and sweet gang bonuses.

In the case of the Gallente they had sweet gang bonuses and WTFPWNAGE damage.

Posted - 2007.10.24 06:22:00 - [82]

 

Originally by: Xao Wen

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Ok, so the EOS bonus to drone has been nerfed to oblivion : from 50m3/lvl, it is on Sisi, it is now 15m3/lvl. 250 at lvl 4.

On the plus side, it's base drone bay is now 150, so it's 210 at lvl 4. Not big of a nerf. But wait.

The bandwith has been set to 75. 75, that means 5 meds, or a bizarre mix of unbonused drones (2H, 2M and 1L). Ok.

And, now, looking closely, I see that it as lost TWO, not one, but TWO ****ING TURRET HARDPOINTS!!! Only 5 out of 7.

Well? It was slightly overpowered, ok, now it is just pathetic. Please, CCP, if you don't want it to field 5 Heavy drones (without bonus), ok fine, but give us back our turrets! Or give us bonus like the myrm to drones...

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Less dps for EOS is good :-)

Posted - 2007.10.24 06:44:00 - [84]

 

The only reason the Eos could outdamage its field command counterpart is that it could field heavy drones.

Of course to rectify that CCP needs to reduce drone bay size, restrict drone usage by crappy bandwith and remove two turret hardpoints.

WTS two Eos and a frikkin clue.

Btw, can we expect the vulture to get nerfed too? I mean it's the only fleet command that can outrange its field command counterpart after all...

Posted - 2007.10.24 07:38:00 - [86]

 

I can't be bothered to read all the posts, I know what most of them will say.

I'm a 40 mill sp all Gallente combat pilot, I have almost 5 mill sp in drones, 10 mill in hybrids including med blaster spec V, Command V and lots and lots of other V's too. I loved the Eos, obviously. Why? Tank, Gank, flexibility. Small gang, solo, fleet, it was able to operate effectively in all situations and could be fitted to suit, fantastic ship.

However, let's be honest, it was way out of line with the other fleet commands, the only one better than its field counterpart. A nerf was always going to come, I've always expected it and I can't believe people are surprised, even I will admit from a balance point of view, it was too good. Is the nerf too much? Well, I'll fly it and find out, I'd rather see it with a drone damage bonus as opposed to hybrid bonues to make it more different from the Astarte though.

Just done a very quick calc, in full tank mode (dual rep, dual cap booster) I could get around 750dps, it'll be around 500 now as although it's only 5 turrets it can be 5 Neutrons instead of mixed Electrons/Ions. For full Gank mode there's still the Astarte (great ship too).

Posted - 2007.10.24 08:39:00 - [88]

 

Edited by: Waut on 24/10/2007 08:40:20
Edited by: Waut on 24/10/2007 08:39:59
What us it with all these silly nerfs lately? Has CCP been secretly bought by EA? Or Sony Online perhaps

WTS and Eos or 2

Posted - 2007.10.24 08:50:00 - [90]

 

Originally by: Ogul

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The only reason the Eos could outdamage its field command counterpart is that it could field heavy drones.

Of course to rectify that CCP needs to reduce drone bay size, restrict drone usage by crappy bandwith and remove two turret hardpoints.

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Eos without drones and 1 mag stab 499 DPS, damnation with 2 pulses and 5 heavy assault launchers with 2 BCU's 348 DPS. And the damnation can only field 5 light scout drones.

So yes it is brought inline in terms of DPS of the other fleet command ships.

The issue is though the eos might not be as good of a gang booster as the others. And CCP won't chang that probably, but then again this is how it usually goes. Did the curse/pilgrim get any bonusses for gang work after their solo ability got omgwtfpwned by the nerbat?