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Hellspawn01
Amarr
Posted - 2007.10.28 12:02:00 - [241]
 

Just wait till you get banned and tell CCP that if those ppl can cheat/exploit/break eula then they cant ban you. Either rules are for everyone or for nobody.

All eve pilots are even. But some pilots are more even than others. (it seems)

Loyal Servant
Caldari
The Knights Templar
Strategic Operations Brigade
Posted - 2007.10.28 16:02:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: Hellspawn01
Just wait till you get banned and tell CCP that if those ppl can cheat/exploit/break eula then they cant ban you. Either rules are for everyone or for nobody.

All eve pilots are even. But some pilots are more even than others. (it seems)


Sure they can, and they will.
Farmers = $$$ for CCP


Sellerella2
University of Caille
Posted - 2007.10.28 18:40:00 - [243]
 

Originally by: Secretary
Maybe ccp have run a query to find out what the farmer population of eve is and the number is just so high that they cannot bear to lose all those subscription fees.


And that's the conclusion I've drawn. I was able to find 30 or more accounts off of 1 banker. People here are listing a few more bankers. which means even more accounts. Next thing you know we are talking about an actual percentage of the paid Eve accounts, and I honestly believe this is why CCP doesn't do anything. If CCP has decided they want the subscription fees, fine, just make the playerbase aware of that so I can decide if I'd like to continue supporting a game like this. What p*sses me off is when a CCP employee comes here and blatantly lies to us, a lie which *any* Eve player with two brain cells to rub together can verify is a lie. Not only does CCP not care how we feel about the isk farmers, they think we are pretty stupid too.

Pango Ein
Topps Corp
Posted - 2007.10.28 18:42:00 - [244]
 

The Isk Farmer/Bagman/Node "with milk" has returned and has made his second round of financing today using contracts. All the usual buyers made their purchase however they are slow to claim the mad loot they bought(1 round of Iridium Charge L for 100M isk each).

Can anyone tell me what they do with all this Isk? Rolling Eyes

For those not paying attention, search for the character "with milk" and press the Show Contracts button on his Character Info Page. He is auctioning single units of ammo for 100-400M Isk each and makes 5-10B Isk per day. And all the buyers are repeat buyers. And he is 5 days old, ie. a disposable alt(or maybe he bought a GTC and became a "paying" account).

Cruthensis
Gallente
Xeno Tech Corp
Self Destruct.
Posted - 2007.10.28 20:01:00 - [245]
 

Originally by: voogru
I think my new sig fits this thread well.


Indeed.

I'm not sure which of these is most sickening for me:

1. ISK farmers all over the place making the game 'smell' bad.
2. ISK buyers evidently still buying ISK in large enough amounts to support the massive numbers of farmers.
3. The strange disparity between what CCP say about ISK farmers and what they seem to do (or not) about them.
4. The people who profess to love this game yet in the same breath, defend ISK farmers for being poor and ISK buyers for not having enough time to play. (I'm looking at you Vaden and co Neutral)

The oft quoted 'they don't want to lose subscriptions' still looks to be the likely reason we still have so many 23/7 characters 'playing' this game.

Personally, I do like the idea of allowing them to farm a load of ISK, only to remove it, without trace or explanation.

(ps Voogru:I want it as my sig! Can I link to it? Pretty please.)

Voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
We Are John Galt
Posted - 2007.10.28 23:12:00 - [246]
 

Originally by: Cruthensis

(ps Voogru:I want it as my sig! Can I link to it? Pretty please.)


Go for it.

Infact, I invite everyone to protest the farmers by using that exact image as a sig. I will be updating it soon with more farmer names, make sure to use the image thats on my web server.

Secretary
Bargain consumables
Posted - 2007.10.28 23:23:00 - [247]
 

many of the with milk auctions have not been collected suggesting the farmers don't work weekends or that the bagman got banned and let the farmers know.

No new bagman seems to have appeared, i guess someone got a braincell among the farmer group.

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.28 23:36:00 - [248]
 

Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Cruthensis

(ps Voogru:I want it as my sig! Can I link to it? Pretty please.)


Go for it.

Infact, I invite everyone to protest the farmers by using that exact image as a sig. I will be updating it soon with more farmer names, make sure to use the image thats on my web server.


however the link in your sig is broken (for me at least)

Pooka
Caldari
United Space Aillance USA
Posted - 2007.10.28 23:51:00 - [249]
 

Originally by: Secretary
many of the with milk auctions have not been collected suggesting the farmers don't work weekends or that the bagman got banned and let the farmers know.

No new bagman seems to have appeared, i guess someone got a braincell among the farmer group.



Not claim / collected but the ISK changed hands.

Tradelade
Hedion University
Posted - 2007.10.29 07:59:00 - [250]
 

Originally by: Sellerella2

And that's the conclusion I've drawn. I was able to find 30 or more accounts off of 1 banker. People here are listing a few more bankers. which means even more accounts. Next thing you know we are talking about an actual percentage of the paid Eve accounts, and I honestly believe this is why CCP doesn't do anything. If CCP has decided they want the subscription fees, fine, just make the playerbase aware of that so I can decide if I'd like to continue supporting a game like this. What p*sses me off is when a CCP employee comes here and blatantly lies to us, a lie which *any* Eve player with two brain cells to rub together can verify is a lie. Not only does CCP not care how we feel about the isk farmers, they think we are pretty stupid too.


QFT.

Back to top.

Hellspawn01
Amarr
Posted - 2007.10.29 11:18:00 - [251]
 

Originally by: Sellerella2
And that's the conclusion I've drawn. I was able to find 30 or more accounts off of 1 banker. People here are listing a few more bankers. which means even more accounts. Next thing you know we are talking about an actual percentage of the paid Eve accounts, and I honestly believe this is why CCP doesn't do anything. If CCP has decided they want the subscription fees, fine, just make the playerbase aware of that so I can decide if I'd like to continue supporting a game like this. What p*sses me off is when a CCP employee comes here and blatantly lies to us, a lie which *any* Eve player with two brain cells to rub together can verify is a lie. Not only does CCP not care how we feel about the isk farmers, they think we are pretty stupid too.

So true. If they really do admit such things, then they loose the rest of credibility if there is anything left after all that BS that they throw at us lately. I might start to believe in CCP again if I see a bulletproof proof. So far that didnt happen.

Lurtz
Caldari
Gunrunners and Gamblers
Posted - 2007.10.29 19:58:00 - [252]
 

so since it looks like CCP is ignoring this, should we be making alts with similar names and contracts to try to siphon some of this isk?


Schani Kratnorr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.10.29 20:03:00 - [253]
 

Simply add a filter on the incoming network traffic that excludes traffic from Korea, Taiwan, China and Singapore and we would see a 90% drop in ISK seller spam...

And yes, that IS a controversial view of things, but that does not make it any less true...

Zandree
Posted - 2007.10.29 23:57:00 - [254]
 

I've added some farmers to my addressbook. I see them come online and then suddenly stop and never come back on. Thus I know they get banned. People expect to petition macro haulers going back and forth and get them immediately banned. But what they do not think about is perhaps those haulers are working to pile up the ISK which does not get sold right away. Until the ISK is sold there is no reason for CCP to ban them, no proof. And farmers have figured out that farming and selling ISK at the same time will get all accounts banned - so why how farm first for a few months then sell later? Meanwhile players see them come online and think CCP is not doing anything about it. Well they can't until ISK gets sold and it may be many months before that happens.

Jobby
Minmatar
PURPLE.
Posted - 2007.10.30 00:23:00 - [255]
 

Bah

Sellerella2
University of Caille
Posted - 2007.10.30 02:11:00 - [256]
 

Originally by: Zandree
Well they can't until ISK gets sold and it may be many months before that happens.



This is where you are missing the point. These farmers give their money to a "bank" character. They themselves aren't doing any selling, so by your logic they will *never* get banned, but they'll continue getting isk to be sold. CCP can ban any account for any reason they choose, it's quite legal. But it doesn't appear they are.

Poena Loveless
Minmatar
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.10.31 22:15:00 - [257]
 

Edited by: Poena Loveless on 31/10/2007 22:28:48
Originally by: F90OEX
There is 3-5 lowsec systems all chained together, few times a week in the early hours of the morning, its little Jita with 98% of the haulers china farmers/ISK laundering NPC chars all using the market, to "wash" there isk, few times I've been there, there are probably about 40-60 in local.

Its probably been going on for months, under the radar of CCP, but yet no one does anything.


Name the systems and we can just camp the gates (like someone said, no one would care about a smartbombing mom in *this* situation) ;P



Pango Ein
Topps Corp
Posted - 2007.11.01 04:36:00 - [258]
 

Today's disposable alt Isk Farmer/Bagman/Node was "boarder go". "Actor" and "with milk" seem to have retired. All the usual suspects have made their one unit of ammo purchases resulting in billions in profit for "boarder go".

For those not paying attention, search for the player "border go" and press the Show Contracts button on his Character Info Page. He is auctioning single units of ammo for 100-400M Isk each and makes 5-10B Isk per day. And all the buyers are repeat buyers. And he is 2 days old, ie. a disposable alt.

F90OEX
F9X
Posted - 2007.11.01 05:08:00 - [259]
 

Originally by: Poena Loveless
Edited by: Poena Loveless on 31/10/2007 22:28:48
Originally by: F90OEX
There is 3-5 lowsec systems all chained together, few times a week in the early hours of the morning, its little Jita with 98% of the haulers china farmers/ISK laundering NPC chars all using the market, to "wash" there isk, few times I've been there, there are probably about 40-60 in local.

Its probably been going on for months, under the radar of CCP, but yet no one does anything.


Name the systems and we can just camp the gates (like someone said, no one would care about a smartbombing mom in *this* situation) ;P


Just go to LOES and all the lowsec systems around there are full of them.

Have fun

fugimi
Posted - 2007.11.01 12:42:00 - [260]
 

Edited by: fugimi on 01/11/2007 12:44:01
Right now, as i write this post a new char called "Boarder Go" is laundering massive amounts of isk.

in his laundering circle u can find MANY of those same characters who'v been active (and reported) since my first post.

obviously CCP dosnt ban the involved accounts and all they do is give us 1 or 2 bans as a token every month, that dosnt even slow those isk sellers down since their farming accounts r still active and running, providing a constant flow of isk to sell.

but even though the PROOF TRAIL exist and those accounts r implicated in that illegal network, CCP "choose" to let them be.

its a huge encouragment for isk sellers to keep their work, and a call for all those who r interest to come to eve and exploit it.

and infact we can see more and more different website links everyday, joining the oready VERY sick & thick daily spamming ritual.

Xaen
Caldari
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2007.11.01 13:52:00 - [261]
 

Better yet, Bayesian filters.

Given that CCP controls the entire in game chat and evemail system there's no reason they can't stop spam entirely.

I heard one CCP dev say it would slow the system down too much but if Google can make gmail work virtually instantly with 95% of all email being spam and me seeing none of it, surely they can handle 35k people.

Alejandro Zapata
Minmatar
PAK
Posted - 2007.11.01 15:51:00 - [262]
 

CCPs silence is hard to take.

There is no reason this thread should have fallen to the second page.

Ram it down their throats until they listen.

Sellerella2
University of Caille
Posted - 2007.11.01 16:07:00 - [263]
 

Anyone at Fanfest wanna corner them on this?

1) What is their position on these farmer accounts who themselves don't sell isk, but give to the banker accounts?

2) Don't they believe their already less than steller credibility is hurt by lying to the playerbase about banning farmers that they don't ban?

JCLawson
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.11.01 16:18:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: Sellerella2
Anyone at Fanfest wanna corner them on this?

1) What is their position on these farmer accounts who themselves don't sell isk, but give to the banker accounts?


Has it been mentioned why they can't (or ignore) the outflow of isk from these banker accounts? Unless these accounts are merely gathering bilions of isk for the hell of it, it has to be going somewhere, to a plethora of different accounts. Surely that can be easliy monitored.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2007.11.01 18:14:00 - [265]
 

I think the reason the ISK seller accounts are not dealt with immediatly is simple: They are not the primary target. The ISK buyers are. As you all have stated it is easy even for a player to follow the flow of ISK. So CCP only needs to wait until someone buys ISK and gets a transfer from the known farming nodes. Then CCP can firmly plant a fist on the ISK buyers face, cutting a hole in his wallet and make that person hurt by having just wasted a batch of RL money. I think PrismX stated that he doesn't really hate the ISK sellers but more the ISK buyers as those are creating a market for the ISK.

I think this is a viable and efficient tactic. The ISK sellers are much like a Hydra, growing heads back when they are cut off. The ISK buyers are what the Hydra feeds on. So instead of fighting a rather hopeless fight against this regenerating monster, CCP seeks out to eliminate the Hydra's source of nutrition. The beast will simply starve.

No ISK buyers -> No ISK market -> No ISK sellers.

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2007.11.01 18:51:00 - [266]
 

No ISK Sellers = no ISK market.

Real World can show you that punishing drug users has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs.

What this thread reveals makes me sick.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2007.11.01 19:05:00 - [267]
 

Edited by: Abrazzar on 01/11/2007 19:09:20
Originally by: Pwett
No ISK Sellers = no ISK market.

Real World can show you that punishing drug users has done nothing to stop the flow of drugs.

What this thread reveals makes me sick.


What you fail to realize is that ISK buyers are much, much more easy to discourage from buying ISK than a drug addict can be discouraged from buying drugs.
Equaling the ISK market with the drug market is [mentally handicapped] at best.

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2007.11.01 19:31:00 - [268]
 

Edited by: Pwett on 01/11/2007 19:31:58
Originally by: Abrazzar

What you fail to realize is that ISK buyers are much, much more easy to discourage from buying ISK than a drug addict can be discouraged from buying drugs.
Equaling the ISK market with the drug market is [mentally handicapped] at best.


Yes, because weed is sooooo addictive and our jails are completely not filled to the brim with people who bought a dime bag of weed.

I'm so metally handicapped, I don't know how I can type.

Demje
Posted - 2007.11.01 20:14:00 - [269]
 

Edited by: Demje on 01/11/2007 20:18:08
you're all being stupid.

1. CCP makes money off of isk farmers.
2. isk farmers sell to people, but their sales are tracked.
3. people who break the EULA to buy isk subsequently have their isk removed and will not buy isk again, + if they bought anything they get into negative numbers meaning their character is trashed unless they want to dig themselves out of it.
4. they're out real money for breaking the EULA, and will probably not buy isk again, and since there are only so many people on the planet this means the source of income for farmers will eventually run dry.
5. isk farmers will just get around character bans, its much more logical to keep track of the ISK farmers so their sales can be removed once they tranfer it to a buyer, thus punishing buyers.
6. you're all stupid.

btw, you'll find a lot of names like "boarder go" or "mad cherry" or "dime one" in the russian chat channel. go take a look.

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2007.11.01 21:57:00 - [270]
 

Edited by: Pwett on 01/11/2007 22:00:10
You do realize that if you only attack demand (the buyers) while not attacking supply (the node feeders) that it ONLY makes isk cheaper?

Seriously? I mean, we're talking econ 101 here. If you kill the supply, isk will get to the point where it will be TOO expensive to buy. Then people will just buy GTCs... but that's a separate issue.

See, you need to find a way to make it so expensive that people will simply make the decision that it would cost too much to cheat.

Resolution? Don't let trial account access contracts. Make it skill based or hard-code it. I don't care.


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