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Dimitry Kalashnikov
Gallente
Posted - 2007.10.18 03:46:00 - [1]
 

I'm now closing in on my third year of EVE. I've done piracy for most of those years and for some of that time I did 0.0 PvP. I have experienced every type of PvP that EVE has to offer. I now find that EVE PvP is in a steady decline in my own opinion. Note that this thread is an OPINION thread. Now that my resume has been bared to you all, let me voice my concerns.

Now before I continue on, as I read over my thread I realize it really does seem like a whine, and maybe on some level it is, but truly it comes from exasperated concern for a game that I love so much.

To properly express how I now feel about PvP is difficult at best. I feel it is no longer for the skilled as much as it is a war of monetary supremacy. I remember months ago when my corporation would take on insurmountable odds in T1 Cruisers through pure tactics and intelligent fittings. Today I find this all nullified. Nowadays this is what PvP has been in MY eyes. What I'VE seen.

Consider this scenario:

I jump into a system. People recognize me as a threat and dock. I'll travel as far as 20 systems from home, with the same result. I am a very fast scanner, but by the time I'm in warp to a belt I find the person has already left.

Feeling defeated I head home, on my way home I'm scanning and find a ship in a belt. Lets say a Hurricane. I jump in and tackle him. Giddy with PvP ecstacy I begin to rip into his ship. Local will LITERALLY swell by 10-20 and I will be swarmed in a second. I find myself neuted, ECMed, webbed, scrammed and getting shreded apart.

Well good game to them, they set a trap and I fell into it. I give them nothing but kudos. So I continue on my way at least happy that I got to shoot something. So I grab another ship and continue hunting. Another 20 jumps, AHA! I find a ship! I attack the ship, lets say its BS of some kind.

It tackles me back and its attacking. Local does not swell. Instead a cyno is dropped and a [Insert Carrier or Mothership here] is on top of me. What hope is there?

Now the above story has happened to me on MANY occasions, not in that sequence mind you, I've just taken all my greivences and made a little story out of it, but typically thats my life with PvP. I am not a bad PvPer, I have A LOT of experience PvPing but this is ridiculous. You wouldn't believe how many motherships or carriers have cyno'ed in on top of me. Mind you this is all low sec.

Either everyone docks, they blob you, or they jump motherships on top of you. These days its all about money and numbers. Now im positive some would-be PvP "professionals" are going to come tell me of their amazing experiences in PvP, well guess what, I've had them too. I've fought against incredible odds and won, but a good fight doesn't happen nearly as often as it should.

Now there are people out there that can't relate to this. Maybe it doesn't happen to them. Well count your blessings. Maybe I'm just unlucky, however I don't like the direction EVE is taking IN MY OPIONION (see above). The blobs I can handle, the docking I can handle. The rich guys in carriers I can't. Carriers are great support ships and I have no problems with their existance. However their implementation and viability in small-time PvP is ridiculous. The fact that people can BLOB in CARRIERS in LOW SEC is absolutely absurd, sitting on a gate invincible with 5 carriers invulnrable to everything except other capital ships is absurd.

I really don't know what can be done about this. Maybe nothing. I won't say to restrict them to 0.0 because I've never flown a Carrier before so I don't know the other uses people have for them in low sec. I understand that this DOESN'T always happen and its not a HUGE deal for CCP to deal with right now, maybe its not a huge deal at all, but I just feel I should voice some sort of concern.

Bring da flames.

Dimitry Kalashnikov
Gallente
Posted - 2007.10.18 03:47:00 - [2]
 

Futhermore, with ambulation incoming, more and more people will have incentive to remain docked rather than undock and experience the beautiful universe we have in EVE.

Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari
Final Agony
Posted - 2007.10.18 03:56:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Skraeling Shortbus on 18/10/2007 03:58:37
Edited by: Skraeling Shortbus on 18/10/2007 03:56:52
So, people don't like to lose, and use whatever means availible? Sounds about right. This game is about stacking odds in your favor.

Not saying your rant is any less valid but really what else can ya do?

edit2: carriers are not invincible. motherships in lowsec though...

Contralto
Rift Tech
Posted - 2007.10.18 03:57:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Contralto on 18/10/2007 03:57:13
Even as a Hi sec Carebear I can see your point. And I think you have understated the carrier Blob tactics. I read elswhere on the forums this week about 4 RA Moms and a Titan gate camping a 0.3 gate, the linked killmail showed a Myrm pirate as the victim. All 5 of the above supercaps were on the killmail. This CB' wont be doing much low sec traveling in coming months thats for sure. Pirate gangs are one thing, but Titans in low sec!!!

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.10.18 03:58:00 - [5]
 

With ambulation, more carebears will not even bother undocking, leaving more "regular" server resources for the ones that actually fly ships instead of socializing.

As for PvP... well, what do you expect in a game where "death penalities" are so harsh as they are, and where strength in numbers is usually the best approach to pretty much any problem whatsoever ?
The only CHANCE for "fair" PvP would be something akin to the official tournaments held so far, but automated into some "arena-like feature".
A feature that everybody and their dog protest against its mere existence for some reason that remains blurred for me (yes, I know the arguments, I just don't "see" them having anywhere near the touted bad effects on overall PvP).

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2007.10.18 03:58:00 - [6]
 

Don't fight fair. Don't fight alone.

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.10.18 03:59:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Contralto
Edited by: Contralto on 18/10/2007 03:57:13
Even as a Hi sec Carebear I can see your point. And I think you have understated the carrier Blob tactics. I read elswhere on the forums this week about 4 RA Moms and a Titan gate camping a 0.3 gate, the linked killmail showed a Myrm pirate as the victim. All 5 of the above supercaps were on the killmail. This CB' wont be doing much low sec traveling in coming months thats for sure. Pirate gangs are one thing, but Titans in low sec!!!


Yea, that's great and all, but Titans can't go into Lowsec.

Dimitry Kalashnikov
Gallente
Posted - 2007.10.18 04:00:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus

edit2: carriers are not invincible. motherships in lowsec though...


Guess what MC cyno'ed on top of me today? lol Laughing

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.10.18 04:00:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Yea, that's great and all, but Titans can't go into Lowsec.

Shocked HUH ? Rolling Eyes
They can't fire the DDDs in lowsec, but they cartainly can GO there.

Anazeteo Euphoria
Euphoria Research
Posted - 2007.10.18 04:02:00 - [10]
 

Here are my thoughts.

I see where you're coming from, but also you're a pirate looking to prey on miners and/or ratters that are set for pve and not pvp. That fight isn't even either. Not that that's bad or wrong. I'm a firm believer that if you're in a fair fight, you didn't plan well enough. But just as many pirates kill mining barges, carriers come and kill pirates....then again some pirates do use cap ships too.

Capitals are going to get more and more popular. They have been more and more vital in 0.0 as time as passed and prices have gone down over the past year also. So I'd expect to be seeing even more of them =P

They are useful in lowsec for various reasons...mainly jumping stuff from empire to 0.0.

I'm thinking the people who are in lowsec now are the ones who know they will have backup quickly. That gives them the balls/safety blanket to go into lowsec more often.

Jack Target
Astral Adventure
Posted - 2007.10.18 04:08:00 - [11]
 

I think the best PvP is to be found in fleet battles rather than piracy now, because there is more teamwork.

Therefore, fight on the side of BoB Dimitry! You sound too proactive to be a gate camper. Gate camping is favoured by The Coalition. Fleet maneouvering with scouting, fleets, and logistics is favoured by BoB Alliance.

The answer is to join us! Very Happy

Dimitry Kalashnikov
Gallente
Posted - 2007.10.18 04:14:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Jack Target
I think the best PvP is to be found in fleet battles rather than piracy now, because there is more teamwork.

Therefore, fight on the side of BoB Dimitry! You sound too proactive to be a gate camper. Gate camping is favoured by The Coalition. Fleet maneouvering with scouting, fleets, and logistics is favoured by BoB Alliance.

The answer is to join us! Very Happy


Being a grain of sand on BoB Beach is not my idea of PvP. I don't do alliances. Thanks anyway.

Riebart Norith
Gallente
Menzies' Bastards
Nex Eternus
Posted - 2007.10.18 04:37:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Riebart Norith on 18/10/2007 04:38:16
You have my complete and utter agreement. I'm quite young (Little under 18 months old) but I've seen my fair share of PvP hunting pirates and even I've noticed a change. For teh first while I lived in low-sec, and found myself a niche hunting the local pirates. Maybe they were just a good bunch and honoured small-gang/1v1 PvP, but I had a lot of that. I/We would go out, look around, find one, and fight. I'd win some, I'd lose some, but it was fun, fair, and the smack was always friendly banter.

Lately I've tried that only to find that I get superblobbed. I'll tackle a guy, and Local will swell with 5-10 more pirates. Fine, I fell into a bait-camp. I didn't scout, whatever. But, and here's the problem: this is the only thing that happens I could take all of the FRAPS from my non-blob/bait tactic fights, stick it into one eye and still see through it. Solution? Bait/blob back. That's the only way.

New problem: Now they're all fielding cyno-tanks and once the real small gang PvP (6v6 with mixed ship classes is really fun, even if your entire gang gets obliterated) gets going, a carrier jumps in....fudge. Solution? Field one back.

Frankly, I'm sick of this and I want the old lowsec back Sad. The one where people weren't afraid to take a risk for the fun it provided. This 'new' lowsec we've got blows gooey chunky bits in my opinion, if ya catch my drift.

I'm not saying anything in Eve is broken, I'm saying that people's willingness - or lack thereof - to take risks, and venture out of the safety of an 8 Tier 3 BS gang is depressing. I ensure that I've got enough ISK (From my carebearing) to fund my hobby, so I don't mind losing a ship if I means I get some fights into it. If my ship survives a single fight, I'm ecstatic but that's pretty rare. I'm no slouch at PvP. The few that I've 1v1ed, or been in a gang with all consider me quite able, so I don't just suck....Well, maybe I do, but we'll leave that for another time. Laughing

P.S: Then don't get me started on supercaps. I'm not notorious like Dimitry here, and even I've had 2 MS dropped on me.

Ed Anger
Weekly World News
Derek Knows Us
Posted - 2007.10.18 05:02:00 - [14]
 

with ambulation i'm gonna sell all my ships and start a 24/7 danceoff.

Die Unknown
Amarr
Dark Shadow Industries
Rogue Elements.
Posted - 2007.10.18 05:38:00 - [15]
 

Didn't you see the memo? Carebears had a meeting and agreed to use all their accumulated wealth to fit up hundreds of ships ranging from a frigate to motherships. They then worked many sleepless nights creating strategies such as gank-n-****. They wowed to work together and never be beaten up by pirates again.

The operation was codenamed 'Care Bear Stare'.

Lindsay Funke
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.10.18 05:44:00 - [16]
 

The problem is that all that time ago, one would pirate for profit. i.e one would ransom a little miner or blow up a lonely BC that thought he could. Now days it's all about the kills. And the best way to get kill/loss ratio up is to run around with friends. The stupid thing is that fleet operations are great for that.. but most would not stand the lag.

Dimitry Kalashnikov
Gallente
Posted - 2007.10.18 05:50:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Lindsay Funke
The problem is that all that time ago, one would pirate for profit. i.e one would ransom a little miner or blow up a lonely BC that thought he could. Now days it's all about the kills. And the best way to get kill/loss ratio up is to run around with friends. The stupid thing is that fleet operations are great for that.. but most would not stand the lag.


It's all about the kills for SOME. I mean sometimes I fly around in a BC or something and I scan a frigate in a belt. I don't even bother warping it. I just leave him be because:

a) It's not going to be a good fight.
b) Waste of an aggression timer.

I do strongly agree with you however. Recently I was killed by a gang of people and the sentries got the final blow. I traded them the killmail for my loot which was quite a substantial amount. I guess its not really EVE thats degrading, its the people. Sad

gregory j
Posted - 2007.10.18 06:02:00 - [18]
 

0verall situation is very apparent in my experience as well...

To me, this issue really applies to low security space...0.0 is supposed to be fleet based and large gang orientated and high sec is, well, high sec.

For what I feel is supposed to be the pinnacle of risk/opportunity for anyone not in a huge alliance, as well as the haven of small gang PvP, low security delivers very poorly...it is too easy to live in for those trying to avoid combat and not profitable enough for those willing/desiring to endure it.

As well as the 20 ship blob bait-and-switch tactic, the issue presented by the OP is further illustrated by the fact that PvP is currently based upon docking/aggression timers, docking perimeters, and CONCORD's reaction speed.

Verx Interis
Amarr
SkyNet.
Posted - 2007.10.18 06:11:00 - [19]
 

I was in a 0.0 corp for a short while (2-3 weeks). I was told about all the PvP in 0.0. Here is what happened

Total hours spent sat on a gate: 12
Total hours spent traveling: 2.5
Any type of combat-related thing (about 30 minutes total)
Maller got ganked by a Tri nanogang
Imparior got ganked by a Vagabond
Watched an Eris jump through the gate our 23-person gang was on, cloak, and get to warp off because the FC wasn't smart enough to have out own dictor drop another bubble after the first one timed out.
Arbitrator almost got ganked by a Thorax but I warped away.
A pod undocked and self destructed while I spent 2 minutes unable to lock it for some bizarre reason as the timer went down.

I made my first character in Eve right when RMR was released, and lowsec was interesting then. This was before BoB got the first Carrier kill on TQ. I left after a while but I came back and its a lot different.

I think it's more of the e-peen shrinking that keeps people from fighting. They do it on the test server sometimes, warping out when they're almost dead. Which is pointless because the most a ship can cost is 3.3k (8 of each slot, 3 rigs, 5 drones) and losing it gives you money. People just don't like dying.

I have a few memories of very good fights back then that I had, but none recently. I engage a cruiser in another cruiser and it just doesn't fight back.

I would say capitals should be banned from lowsec, but then lowsec POS are invincible, more or less. I still think they should be banned.

Another solution involves:
ExclamationBoost ratting. A lot. All of the high-level modules, bounties, and rats come from missions from people safe in hisec. Force them to come to lowsec if they want lots of money. Make the spawns harder, more frequent, with a bigger difference between sec levels so. Put some weak BS spawns in 0.1 for people who don't want to go to 0.0
ExclamationMake PvE like PvP. Make it so that you're in a setup that would work for PvP when you're doing missions or ratting. This will train ratters in PvP and give them better setups leading to more fights
ExclamationBoost lowsec mining. You never see lowsec mining ops anymore because lowsec mining is in the toilet. And 0.0 mining ops are so heavily guarded and so important to alliances performing them that trying to take it down will likely result in several carriers on your ass.

What I'm aiming at is:
Hi-sec for new players who don't have the skills or finances to risk low-sec
Low-sec for standalone corps, and larger ones may occasionally penetrate into 0.0
0.0 for Alliances, blobs, and massive lag.

This is probably what CCP wants. But low-sec is worthless. Rats are worthless, loot is worthless, mining is worthless.

I don't like alliance warfare, I like lowsec life. 0.0 is too "My Abaddon is being attacked by a Crow with a noob setup, I'll light up a Cyno and you can call in the Carriers!".

Haks'he Lirky
Durgarnir
Posted - 2007.10.18 06:17:00 - [20]
 

I understand what you are talking about as I have the same experience, but I dont agree with you.

The things you mention are ganks, single ship or small gangs on the prowl for vulnerable targets, now these vulnerable targets are not as vulnerable as they were.

Thats not a decline in pvp, quite the opposite, the silly carebears are just getting tired of supplying us with easy kills.

adapt and move on, the carebears have, so should you.

Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
Posted - 2007.10.18 06:21:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 18/10/2007 06:22:32
Have friends waiting at each gate of system(other side of gate ofcourse)

Jump into system.

Go "Buga buga buga!!!"

Wait for flies to fly into fly..thingies Very Happy

Damnit...wrong auto-reply Laughing

Let's see...

Yeah, carriers, bring mroe friends, when in see, there's always bigger fish...and so forth?

Verx Interis
Amarr
SkyNet.
Posted - 2007.10.18 06:21:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
I understand what you are talking about as I have the same experience, but I dont agree with you.

The things you mention are ganks, single ship or small gangs on the prowl for vulnerable targets, now these vulnerable targets are not as vulnerable as they were.

Thats not a decline in pvp, quite the opposite, the silly carebears are just getting tired of supplying us with easy kills.

adapt and move on, the carebears have, so should you.


Usually those people are other alliances who seem to want to protect everything at all costs. I have a video of a guy solo pirating in a Vexor. He ganks a hurricane in Misaba and gets chased by CVA fighters for 10 minutes then camped in for an hour by 3 carriers and 4 command ships. All for popping a hurricane.

I think local should only show the number in local. I heard it happened before and from what I can tell I would like it more. If I could get decent money lowsec ratting quickly I wouldn't mind the risk of not seeing everyone here.

Unvisibility
Posted - 2007.10.18 06:28:00 - [23]
 

Wait, let me get this straight....

Pirates and other PvPers prey on carebears in lowsec, and using a variety of clever tactics even in highsec for years (see lofty29). EVE forums are filled with PvPers telling mission runners, industrialists and traders things like "adapt or die n00b!" and "Hello Kitty Online is that way haha ->" etc.

Carebears start to organise, fight back, work in groups, kill pirates etc.

And you're a) surprised and b) unhappy about it?

Excuse me while I laugh until I vomit. Reap what you sow.

Oh, and adapt or die and Hello Kitty Online is that way ->

Haks'he Lirky
Durgarnir
Posted - 2007.10.18 06:30:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Verx Interis
Originally by: Haks'he Lirky

Thats not a decline in pvp, quite the opposite, the silly carebears are just getting tired of supplying us with easy kills.


Usually those people are other alliances who seem to want to protect everything at all costs. I have a video of a guy solo pirating in a Vexor. He ganks a hurricane in Misaba and gets chased by CVA fighters for 10 minutes then camped in for an hour by 3 carriers and 4 command ships. All for popping a hurricane.

I think local should only show the number in local. I heard it happened before and from what I can tell I would like it more. If I could get decent money lowsec ratting quickly I wouldn't mind the risk of not seeing everyone here.


I dont see the problem actually, they are making sure the guy that lost his Hurricane will notice that his alliance mates are there for him, no decline in pvp in there in my opinion.

I have had my shares of being chased by multi billion gangs while I am flying a vexor, they have no chance of catching me, and there is no way I am going to engage them and then a long camp ensues.

Thats not a decline in pvp, players showing force when their mates are killed is just teamwork.

Local problem doesnt matter as it's been whined about for ages and CCP is lost in finding a solution.

Low-Sec is filled with gankers, everyone knows that, there are more people looking for ganks down there than there are people mining/rattting. If anything they should make it easier on the miners down there in order to get them back down there.

When a person enters a low sec system the wolves wake up and start chasing, if your ganked by a large gang then it simply means you are the smaller wolf.

Verx Interis
Amarr
SkyNet.
Posted - 2007.10.18 06:31:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Unvisibility
Wait, let me get this straight....

Pirates and other PvPers prey on carebears in lowsec, and using a variety of clever tactics even in highsec for years (see lofty29). EVE forums are filled with PvPers telling mission runners, industrialists and traders things like "adapt or die n00b!" and "Hello Kitty Online is that way haha ->" etc.

Carebears start to organise, fight back, work in groups, kill pirates etc.

And you're a) surprised and b) unhappy about it?

Excuse me while I laugh until I vomit. Reap what you sow.

Oh, and adapt or die and Hello Kitty Online is that way ->


I'm more angry that nobody has the balls to try to kill a Cruiser with another Cruiser anymore. The only way to kill a Cruiser is to have 3 BS, 5 BC, and 5 Cruisers attack it.

And as I mentioned all the carebears are running missions in Hi-sec. The people in low-sec are non-carebears.

F90OEX
F9X
Posted - 2007.10.18 06:39:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Unvisibility
Wait, let me get this straight....

Carebears start to organise, fight back, work in groups, kill pirates etc.



LaughingLaughingRazz

That said, I do think the OP has a point, but I don't see anything changing in that dept anytime soon.

Small group I pvp with enjoy the lowsec pvp fights but anytime we see a carrier or cyno, we check it out and move on.


I mean look what happened that myrm that jumped into 0.3 space few days go, only to be met by 1 Titan, 2 Nyx and a Aeon gate camping. I'm sure as more caps moms and titans are made and used its only going to become more common.


Haks'he Lirky
Durgarnir
Posted - 2007.10.18 06:39:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Verx Interis
And as I mentioned all the carebears are running missions in Hi-sec. The people in low-sec are non-carebears.


This is the whole deal.

Why should honest hard working carebears enter an area filled with criminals wanting to kill them? FILLED, remember that, there is no risk vs reward ratio possible to make it worth it to mine/rat in lowsec.

Unvisibility
Posted - 2007.10.18 06:44:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Verx Interis
I'm more angry that nobody has the balls to try to kill a Cruiser with another Cruiser anymore. The only way to kill a Cruiser is to have 3 BS, 5 BC, and 5 Cruisers attack it.

And as I mentioned all the carebears are running missions in Hi-sec. The people in low-sec are non-carebears.


Again, I say you reap what you sow.

PvP in EVE has *never* been about fair fights. "Griefing" has always been encouraged by both pvpers and devs alike. Ganking, gate camping, mission invading, hauler popping etc etc - these are all normal parts of EVE and the idea of honour and balance has never had any place here.

Countless, COUNTLESS times I've seen people (usually newer players) complain on the forums about being ganked and demolished in totally 1-sided fights in EVE and they've been responded to with derision and exhortations to "go back to WoW" etc.

If the response to a carebear complaining after losing their hauler to a multiple-battleship gatecamp, or to a mission runner whining after losing their CNR to a lofty-style gang gank has always been "don't fly alone" or "there's no safe space" or "this is EVE" then why shouldn't the response to pirates getting the exact same treatment be exactly the same?

I'm sorry, but the sociopathic nature of EVE's community, combined with a system of game mechanics that is based around non-consensual pvp works both ways. Pirate baiting, capital ganking and pirate evasion are results of this. If you don't like it... well... tough.

I find it particularly hilarious that the OP is whining about people docking when he comes into local. How many times have I seen pirates posting on these forums things like "haha watch local noob!" when someone moans about having been belt-ganked. Now people are doing *exactly* that and you're unhappy! Hah hah!

Verx Interis
Amarr
SkyNet.
Posted - 2007.10.18 06:50:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
Originally by: Verx Interis
Originally by: Haks'he Lirky

Thats not a decline in pvp, quite the opposite, the silly carebears are just getting tired of supplying us with easy kills.


Usually those people are other alliances who seem to want to protect everything at all costs. I have a video of a guy solo pirating in a Vexor. He ganks a hurricane in Misaba and gets chased by CVA fighters for 10 minutes then camped in for an hour by 3 carriers and 4 command ships. All for popping a hurricane.

I think local should only show the number in local. I heard it happened before and from what I can tell I would like it more. If I could get decent money lowsec ratting quickly I wouldn't mind the risk of not seeing everyone here.


I dont see the problem actually, they are making sure the guy that lost his Hurricane will notice that his alliance mates are there for him, no decline in pvp in there in my opinion.

I have had my shares of being chased by multi billion gangs while I am flying a vexor, they have no chance of catching me, and there is no way I am going to engage them and then a long camp ensues.

Thats not a decline in pvp, players showing force when their mates are killed is just teamwork.

Local problem doesnt matter as it's been whined about for ages and CCP is lost in finding a solution.

Low-Sec is filled with gankers, everyone knows that, there are more people looking for ganks down there than there are people mining/rattting. If anything they should make it easier on the miners down there in order to get them back down there.

When a person enters a low sec system the wolves wake up and start chasing, if your ganked by a large gang then it simply means you are the smaller wolf.


You make a point. That is just showing support. I would get annoyed sitting on a gate for that long waiting for one guy, but people should support their corpies.

The problem is obsession with killmails. This has become counter-strike in space, where all that matters is a percentage on the killboard. It doesn't matter how you got the kill, if its there, your e-peen grows. That's why I say make lowsec financially viable. then carebears might team up with people to come and take the systems from the gankers, as there would be money to be made.

I've found that gankers who have never done much but gank are surprised when they get ganked back. They're so used to one target dropping helplessly that when 10 other people appear from that guys corp and start killing them, they lose. Because of their need to have at least a 90% on the KB, they'll leave if they can't get enough kills.

Someone suggested a great improvement to the map, where the empire hi-sec space has small bits of lowsec between it so you have to go through a little lowsec to leave Caldari space and go into Amarr space, for example. How to implement that now, I'm not sure.

I know CCP are lost at a solution for local. It's not as much of an issue, but it sure would make things exciting if there was no local.

Verx Interis
Amarr
SkyNet.
Posted - 2007.10.18 06:55:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
Originally by: Verx Interis
And as I mentioned all the carebears are running missions in Hi-sec. The people in low-sec are non-carebears.


This is the whole deal.

Why should honest hard working carebears enter an area filled with criminals wanting to kill them? FILLED, remember that, there is no risk vs reward ratio possible to make it worth it to mine/rat in lowsec.


Thats what I want to fix. make lowsec give more money. move level 4 agents. increase the lowsec ore and rat spawns. the carebears should have money to hire mercs.

Nobody is interested in having production allies to give them stuff. They just want kill, kill, kill, while they use 3 alts running level 4's in ravens to get money. I thought that the lack of supplies and lowering of sec status in lowsec would cause people to be forced to like each other and ally with other corps to be able to get things, but since you can just have an alt and get to stroke your e-peen more, why put yourself in a situation where theres.. *GASP* someone you can't shoot!!!! I mean come on, it makes perfect sense! How could you stand the aggravating stress of having something in space that you aren't allowed to shoot at! It's unbearable!Rolling EyesRolling Eyes

Lowsec should be the place of non-alliance corps, but all it is is gankers. If lowsec is worth more, people will fight for it and the gankers, unable to kill shuttles with several BS, will leave.


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