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LuzArius
Posted - 2007.10.17 02:35:00 - [1]
 

I just started playing this game two months ago and I'm excited and also ****ed about training drones. Having recently discovered it will take 23 days to train heavy drones 5, I've come to accept it and move on. However there are upcoming drone changes I'm worried about. My primary purpose was to use a dominix in pve & pve using tech 2 heavy drones. Will I still be able to launch 5 x tech 2 ogres with the upcoming drone changes? I'd hate to train skills for 46 days and then get nerfed. Thanks.

GenShadowfawx
Posted - 2007.10.17 02:40:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: LuzArius
I just started playing this game two months ago and I'm excited and also ****ed about training drones. Having recently discovered it will take 23 days to train heavy drones 5, I've come to accept it and move on. However there are upcoming drone changes I'm worried about. My primary purpose was to use a dominix in pve & pve using tech 2 heavy drones. Will I still be able to launch 5 x tech 2 ogres with the upcoming drone changes? I'd hate to train skills for 46 days and then get nerfed. Thanks.



Absolutely. However you may want to keep in mind that the Myrmidon won't.

Grapez
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2007.10.17 03:07:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: some guy that reads dev blogs
Absolutely. However you may want to keep in mind that the Myrmidon won't.


Shocked

Well, there goes that. So a fully skilled Vexor will be able to do the same amount of damage as a fully skilled Myrmidon? I guess the myrm could always field a mix-sized drone fleet.

Are there actual numbers for drone bandwidth available now?

Phantom Slave
Universal Pest Exterminators
Posted - 2007.10.17 03:21:00 - [4]
 

I'm curious as to where you read that Myrm's were getting nerfed on their drones.

I can't seem to find anything on it is why I'm asking.

Vitrael
Reaper Industries
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.10.17 03:23:00 - [5]
 

I can recall reading the words "Myrmidon... rebalanced for medium drones." in some dev post. It's probably safe to say don't expect to launch 5 ogres in rev3.

Spenz
Gallente
PCG Enterprises
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2007.10.17 03:28:00 - [6]
 

The myrmidon will carry more drones, have a better tank, and enough pg/cpu to fit 6 turrets so in that respect it will be better than the vexor.

murder one
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2007.10.17 03:30:00 - [7]
 

In Rev. III they're removing the Myrmidon and replacing it with an Iteron V, but with more fins.

Phantom Slave
Universal Pest Exterminators
Posted - 2007.10.17 03:42:00 - [8]
 

Judging from the actual Dev blog itself, I see no mention of nerfing any ships at all.

The talk about 'bandwidth' is just to limit the number of drones you can fly, while having a larger dronebay. I go into more detail about this on the last page of the dev blog thread.

Aenis Veros
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2007.10.17 03:49:00 - [9]
 

Nothing's been said about details by CCP thus far. Hence it's 100% speculation - so don't listen to it.

Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
Sc0rched Earth
Posted - 2007.10.17 05:07:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Vitrael
I can recall reading the words "Myrmidon... rebalanced for medium drones." in some dev post. It's probably safe to say don't expect to launch 5 ogres in rev3.


I am pretty sure you misread or were dreaming. Either way that line has not been said. A Dev said that they will most probably re balance the ship, considering that with the new changes it will have the possibility to carry extra heavies.

Max Hardcase
The Scope
Posted - 2007.10.17 06:35:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Spenz
The myrmidon will carry more drones, have a better tank, and enough pg/cpu to fit 6 turrets so in that respect it will be better than the vexor.


Except for the fact that it gets no gun bonus.

LuzArius
Posted - 2007.10.17 06:37:00 - [12]
 

I'd rather launch more drones than having a bigger drone bay.

I'm worried they will nerf how many drones you can launch from a dominix, ishtar or astarte. Maybe they will make it so you can only launch 3 heavy drones and 2 med's at any given time on an ishtar, dominix or astarte.


Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.10.17 06:47:00 - [13]
 

3 heavies and 2 mediums would be nice.

Neon Genesis
GoonFleet
Posted - 2007.10.17 07:03:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: LuzArius
I just started playing this game two months ago and I'm excited and also ****ed about training drones. Having recently discovered it will take 23 days to train heavy drones 5, I've come to accept it and move on. However there are upcoming drone changes I'm worried about. My primary purpose was to use a dominix in pve & pve using tech 2 heavy drones. Will I still be able to launch 5 x tech 2 ogres with the upcoming drone changes? I'd hate to train skills for 46 days and then get nerfed. Thanks.

*snip* Please do not troll - Valorem

Bimjo
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.10.17 07:38:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Neon Genesis
Originally by: LuzArius
I just started playing this game two months ago and I'm excited and also ****ed about training drones. Having recently discovered it will take 23 days to train heavy drones 5, I've come to accept it and move on. However there are upcoming drone changes I'm worried about. My primary purpose was to use a dominix in pve & pve using tech 2 heavy drones. Will I still be able to launch 5 x tech 2 ogres with the upcoming drone changes? I'd hate to train skills for 46 days and then get nerfed. Thanks.


*snip* Please do not troll - Valorem


come on nowRolling Eyes he is asking for help/clarification , be a tad nicerWink

Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2007.10.17 07:57:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Originally by: Vitrael
I can recall reading the words "Myrmidon... rebalanced for medium drones." in some dev post. It's probably safe to say don't expect to launch 5 ogres in rev3.


I am pretty sure you misread or were dreaming. Either way that line has not been said. A Dev said that they will most probably re balance the ship, considering that with the new changes it will have the possibility to carry extra heavies.


It's never been said in a dev blog. One Dev, however, (Hammer or T20, if I remember correctly) stated in a Myrmidon/Eos thread that they was some balancing to do, and that it was easier to nerf a ship than boost three others to it's level, and have the whole inter-classes rebalancing to do as a result.

So, the Myrmidon is getting nerfed, they're no doubts about that. It's also fairly probable for the Eos.

King GeorgeV
Posted - 2007.10.17 08:20:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Neon Genesis
Originally by: LuzArius
I just started playing this game two months ago and I'm excited and also ****ed about training drones. Having recently discovered it will take 23 days to train heavy drones 5, I've come to accept it and move on. However there are upcoming drone changes I'm worried about. My primary purpose was to use a dominix in pve & pve using tech 2 heavy drones. Will I still be able to launch 5 x tech 2 ogres with the upcoming drone changes? I'd hate to train skills for 46 days and then get nerfed. Thanks.


*snip* Please do not troll - Valorem



*snip* Please do not troll - Valorem

Agif
UnderDog Industries
Free Trade Zone.
Posted - 2007.10.17 08:29:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Agif on 17/10/2007 08:28:51
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tiewan
Posted - 2007.10.17 08:39:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Agif
Edited by: Agif on 17/10/2007 08:28:51
*snip* Please do not attempt to bypass the profanity filter - Valorem


You must be the official that grants this title.

Curryzia Kinwurry
Posted - 2007.10.17 09:33:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Agif
Edited by: Agif on 17/10/2007 08:28:51
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I'm loving the irony plastered all over this statement.

Mort Sinious
Posted - 2007.10.17 09:37:00 - [21]
 

I think (keep in mind that this is speculation) the reason for all this is that drone boats ignore one important balancing, that is in effect for all non-drone boats since ages.
No ship smaller than a BS is supposed to fit "Large" sized weapons. No ship smaller than a Cruiser is supposed to fit "Medium" sized weapons. All non-drone ships follow that rule, but the Myrmidon is an example of a ship that can fit "Large" weapons. It is the only BC that can do this. A Drake cant fit Cruise Missiles, a Ferox can't fir Large Rails guns.

So, the only possible fix for this with current game mechanics would be to reduce drone cargo on the Myrm so it can't hold heavy drones. THis would severely cripple the drone boat. So the solution was to invent a new attribute wich leaves the drone cargo alone but still limits the sizes of the drones being used.

Yes, it's a nerf for the Myrmidon (and maybe some other Gallente Drone ship), but it's n line with all the other races and their ships.

And another reminder: I am no dev, Im only speculating and trying to be logical / objective

cal nereus
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.10.17 09:40:00 - [22]
 

The Dominix will still get to use five heavies. I believe what CCP is trying to do is make it so each general size-class of ship is directly associated with a specific size of drone. Friggies/Dessies with smalls, Cruisers/BCs with mediums, Battleships with heavies. How this effects T2 ships (sad day for the Eos perhaps) I do not know.

Death Kill
Caldari
SolaR KillerS
UN1CUM
Posted - 2007.10.17 09:43:00 - [23]
 

Why oh why cant they nerf secure containers instead?
Ban all deployable containers from empire space instead as they cause huge amounts of lag.

Qui Shon
Posted - 2007.10.17 09:53:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: King GeorgeV

I support this man and his social cleansing, the lowly illiterate blaggards shall crumble under the weight of theyre superiors.

your monarch

george


Pot, kettle?

What's a blaggard?

cal nereus
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.10.17 09:55:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Qui Shon
Originally by: King GeorgeV

I support this man and his social cleansing, the lowly illiterate blaggards shall crumble under the weight of theyre superiors.

your monarch

george


Pot, kettle?

What's a blaggard?


"A thief or unseemly person. Used to describe someone who blags." - Google it.

Saint Luka
Altruism.
Darkness Rising Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.17 10:09:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: cal nereus
The Dominix will still get to use five heavies. I believe what CCP is trying to do is make it so each general size-class of ship is directly associated with a specific size of drone. Friggies/Dessies with smalls, Cruisers/BCs with mediums, Battleships with heavies. How this effects T2 ships (sad day for the Eos perhaps) I do not know.


Utterly correct however, bringing the Eos inline with with all other fleet command ships isn't such a bad prospect.

Isan Danderoda
Strix Armaments and Defence
Posted - 2007.10.17 11:05:00 - [27]
 

Though it may cause issues if I can no longer launch heavies from my 0.0 ratting vexor I think having the ability to carry a greater variety of drones will end up being a good boost to all of the drone boats. For instance I would love it if my Domi could carry and deploy five lights, five mediums, five heavies, and two different sets of ten sentries. That way I could have long range and close range sentry drones without sacrificing my small fast ones to take out those annoying buggers in interceptors and other elite frig rats in missions.

All said, though, I've been holding out on deploying another myrm (since I got totally vaporized in 0.0 with my last one, heh heh) until this all comes through. Hopefully it balances out and ends up being a solid ship yet. In the meanwhile I'll keep with using a drake for all of my BC needs.

Raneru
Combat and Recon
Posted - 2007.10.17 11:09:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: LuzArius
I'd hate to train skills for 46 days and then get nerfed. Thanks.


Welcome to EvE Wink


OneSock
Crown Industries
Posted - 2007.10.17 11:12:00 - [29]
 

I think it would be crazy if CCP did anything to nerf the drone use on Domi or Ishtar. That wont happen IMO.

What concerns me more is the Eos and it's ability to fly 5 heavies/sentries. Remember that it doesn't get any drone bonus as the other drone carriers do so I really don't think it should be restricted. Obviously tho, if the intended change is to allow larger drone bays then this kinda makes the Eos CS bonus a bit daft, so maybe they would change the bonus to something else.

Maybe if they do nerf the Eos to less than 5 heavies, they should change the bonus to 10% done damage per level.

Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Black Legion.
Posted - 2007.10.17 11:16:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Max Hardcase
Except for the fact that it gets no gun bonus.


It still does more dps from its guns. 4 * 1.25 = 5 vs 6 of the myr.

Also, the vexor has such a gimped grid & cpu that after fitting 4 high tier guns it has pretty much nothing left for a tank. The myrmidon can fit a monstertank. And has on top of that a tank bonus.

But, yes, it is then a mostly tank focussed BC. But that is what its frigging description says as well.


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