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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Posted - 2007.10.17 06:48:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Kuolematon on 17/10/2007 06:47:56
Living in EU, paying in USD .. ah they joy of life! NO MORE RIPPING OF POOR EU PLAYERS, YA HEAR ME CCP! *shakes fist*YARRRR!!

Jevnikar
Gallente
Destructive Influence
Posted - 2007.10.17 07:31:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Jevnikar on 17/10/2007 07:33:58
Sux ccp plz change my subscription to USD :)

F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.10.17 07:32:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Nofonno
I would like someone from U.S.A. to set me straight here… Is there no VAT in U.S.A. or do you take your little credit card receipt, calculate your tax and pay it at the end of a fiscal year, perhaps?

However, I must pose this question: why aren't we all paying in ISK (Íslenska kronor)? Cool



No, we don't have VAT. It's a silly thing you Euros have added to make purchasing things on the Interweb more complicated and costly.

Dan Grobag
Caldari
Grobag's Family
Posted - 2007.10.17 08:13:00 - [34]
 

With the fall of the US currency the fee should go either up for US or down for EU, VAT or not.

Major Stallion
The Money Shot Inc.
Posted - 2007.10.17 08:16:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Kayna Eelai
actually, if u can buy timecodes in dollars (aka: for LESS money) then all this stupid thing of having different currency is nonsense.

CCP, aren't u islandinc? what currency do you use there? go, charge in that currency and let paypal or VISA handle the exchange rate.


Ironically enough, Icelandic currency is the ISK.

Shevar
Minmatar
Target Practice incorporated
Posted - 2007.10.17 08:20:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Nofonno
I would like someone from U.S.A. to set me straight here… Is there no VAT in U.S.A. or do you take your little credit card receipt, calculate your tax and pay it at the end of a fiscal year, perhaps?

However, I must pose this question: why aren't we all paying in ISK (Íslenska kronor)? Cool



It's currently not allowed for states to set a tax on online goods/services.

This bill will expire next year and it's assumed it won't be extended.

Spenz
Gallente
PCG Enterprises
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2007.10.17 08:31:00 - [37]
 

Stop whining and be glad you aren't paying your subscription in Pound Sterling.

Curryzia Kinwurry
Posted - 2007.10.17 09:10:00 - [38]
 

Wrangler said if you live in the EU you should pay in Euros, but what if you live in an EU country that doesn't use the Euro? Should we pay in $ then?

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2007.10.17 09:18:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Curryzia Kinwurry
Wrangler said if you live in the EU you should pay in Euros, but what if you live in an EU country that doesn't use the Euro? Should we pay in $ then?
I live in Sweden, which is a EU country that doesn't use the euro, we still pay VAT here though.

Entreri Finwe
Can't Decide
Balance of Judgment
Posted - 2007.10.17 09:22:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Kayna Eelai
actually, if u can buy timecodes in dollars (aka: for LESS money) then all this stupid thing of having different currency is nonsense.

CCP, aren't u islandinc? what currency do you use there? go, charge in that currency and let paypal or VISA handle the exchange rate.


Ironically enough, Icelandic currency is the ISK.


Beacause it's quite hard for VISA and PayPal to work out the exhange rate for cod fish...

Originally by: Spenz
Stop whining and be glad you aren't paying your subscription in Pound Sterling.


Or Omani Riyals, that would hurt...

Arushia
Nova Labs
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2007.10.17 09:31:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Nofonno
I would like someone from U.S.A. to set me straight here… Is there no VAT in U.S.A. or do you take your little credit card receipt, calculate your tax and pay it at the end of a fiscal year, perhaps?

However, I must pose this question: why aren't we all paying in ISK (Íslenska kronor)? Cool


There is no federal VAT in the US. Localities charge "sales tax" which is similar, but applies only to goods. Services such as EVE aren't taxed.

Richard Bashir
Gallente
Eve Engineering Logistics
Eve Engineering
Posted - 2007.10.17 09:53:00 - [42]
 

I only recently discovered that GT cards are only about €11, so I'm switching from auto creditcard to buying the cards and keep 4 euro's (x 2 accounts) a month in my pocket. If I buy a 90 day card the difference is even greater!

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2007.10.17 10:12:00 - [43]
 

I pay in 12mth blocks via CC

it's the only way to be sureConfused

Ashaz
Mindstar Technology
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2007.10.17 10:35:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Ashaz on 17/10/2007 10:51:50
Originally by: Elmicker
Edited by: Elmicker on 16/10/2007 22:09:37
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you live in EU you should pay in EUR, if you live outside the EU you should pay in USD


That's a 40% difference in price for europeans. How is that accounted for?


we are 40% cooler Cool

Altho i would like to pay my 14.95 in SKR instead, since that's the currency hereRolling Eyes

Jobby
Minmatar
PURPLE.
Posted - 2007.10.17 11:11:00 - [45]
 

Petition it. I'm sure the time you waste with the $2 a month you save will enable you to retire in a few days.

Turix
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.10.17 11:13:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I don't know exactly how what currency you pay in is decided, but we can easily change it if you're paying in the wrong currency.


I pay in dollars via GTC's because of this, more hassle for me.

Doppler Shift
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.10.17 11:35:00 - [47]
 

I'm certain CCP calculates their pricing schemes to maximize long-term profitability. A 40% increase in subscription price would probably be met with a significant loss of subscribers, both offsetting any potential recovery in income and devaluing the game as a whole by shrinking the playerbase. While I'd guess that the falling dollar has caused the accountants a fair amount of angst, it looks like they are trying to ride out what may be temporary weakness in a currency. Don't worry, I'm sure they'll raise subscription prices across the board when the time comes... Twisted Evil

What I really have to wonder is, what is the point of a thread like this? I don't see reducing the Euro subscription price as a realistic response to revenue losses from US subscribers, so the only possible outcomes are status quo -- thus no point for the discussion -- or prices to go up in some way (also farfetched as I doubt the business folks are as eager as game devs to look 'responsive' to community whining). Whining tends to attract the kind of attention you might not like: I hope the beancounters don't implement a tracking program by IP address to ensure accounts pay in appropriate currency whether directly for subs or for GTCs.

J Ripper
Caldari
Silent Retaliation
Posted - 2007.10.17 11:37:00 - [48]
 

I`m Gutted, been playing since 05 and have always paid in $

Recently had a small break from eve, now I`m being charged in Euros ( last 2 months )

Can I go back to $$$$$ ? even tho I`m in the UK ?




CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2007.10.17 11:56:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: J Ripper
I`m Gutted, been playing since 05 and have always paid in $

Recently had a small break from eve, now I`m being charged in Euros ( last 2 months )

Can I go back to $$$$$ ? even tho I`m in the UK ?
No, you were supposed to pay in EUR from the beginning, so this would be a correction of that mistake. You can of course go the way some previous posters have said and start using ETC's.
Originally by: Doppler Shift
What I really have to wonder is, what is the point of a thread like this? I don't see reducing the Euro subscription price as a realistic response to revenue losses from US subscribers, so the only possible outcomes are status quo -- thus no point for the discussion -- or prices to go up in some way (also farfetched as I doubt the business folks are as eager as game devs to look 'responsive' to community whining). Whining tends to attract the kind of attention you might not like: I hope the beancounters don't implement a tracking program by IP address to ensure accounts pay in appropriate currency whether directly for subs or for GTCs.
Point of it is to let people discuss the price, there's no reason for us to lock it. Wink

Ashraaf
Infinite Improbability Inc
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.10.17 12:12:00 - [50]
 

on the actual currency 1€ <=> 1.42 $ (1,4183 exactly)
for a one month it's 21.2$ ShockedOne Month and an half abo
it's a big difference for the European subscriber.
I all the game i play before i only see one money to pay ($ or €) but not difference between 2 subscriber

Yes I use GTC for my account. But not all the player got this opportunity or knew that it's possible or even that's there such a difference.



Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.10.17 12:15:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
You can of course go the way some previous posters have said and start using ETC's.


You shouldn't really give that advice mate. In some EU countries that may well be illegal.

Steve Hawkings
Posted - 2007.10.17 12:20:00 - [52]
 

Maybe its got something to do with who u bought the accounts off ?

KhaniKirai
Posted - 2007.10.17 14:31:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: KhaniKirai on 17/10/2007 14:39:06
Edited by: KhaniKirai on 17/10/2007 14:32:44
Its not the job of companies to force how customers have to pay, especially not, if that means they have to pay way more.
And i am serious doubting if the EVA agreements allow you that different customers have to pay different prices for the same thing.

Thats basically fraude.

Neth'Rae
Gallente
State Protectorate
Posted - 2007.10.17 14:37:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I live in Sweden, which is a EU country that doesn't use the euro, we still pay VAT here though.


Häftigt, but please I wanna pay in american dollars, alot cheaper :P
Was going to buy a t-shirt in the store but since it think I'll have to use EURO there aswell I haven't done it yet..

Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
Posted - 2007.10.17 15:07:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Avon
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
You can of course go the way some previous posters have said and start using ETC's.


You shouldn't really give that advice mate. In some EU countries that may well be illegal.


No it's not. You just have to report it and pay the VAT yourself.

Elmicker
Wreckless Abandon
Posted - 2007.10.17 15:19:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Point of it is to let people discuss the price, there's no reason for us to lock it. Wink


No, the point of it was for you to ask the question directed at you. I've asked it specifically several times before, and been ignored then. Hopefully you won't be so rude this time.

Why do europeans pay 40% more than non-europeans?

Even a simple "We enjoy screwing you for cash" would do me; at least you'd be being honest.

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2007.10.17 15:21:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Neth'Rae
Was going to buy a t-shirt in the store but since it think I'll have to use EURO there aswell I haven't done it yet..
You pay in USD in the EVE Store.

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2007.10.17 15:23:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Point of it is to let people discuss the price, there's no reason for us to lock it. Wink


No, the point of it was for you to ask the question directed at you. I've asked it specifically several times before, and been ignored then. Hopefully you won't be so rude this time.

Why do europeans pay 40% more than non-europeans?

Even a simple "We enjoy screwing you for cash" would do me; at least you'd be being honest.
I believe I answered that in another thread. The main reason we charge more in EUR is the VAT, the reason the difference is so high is that the USD has weakened since the price was set. However, at this time I have not been informed that we plan any price change at this time.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.10.17 15:35:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Bluefix

No it's not. You just have to report it and pay the VAT yourself.


Riiight .. because the people advocating buying ETC's in $'s are then likely to be declaring it.

Besides, as the legislation stands (and I am no expert), the rules for electronic services are different to imorted goods. The supplier of those services (CCP in this case), *must* charge VAT to EU subscribers. If there is a loophole (EU subscribers being able to use non-vat etc's to pay), CCP may be open to action against them .. especially if the actively encourage subscribers to evade VAT.
(The company is responsible for the VAT, not the end user it would seem. HOwever, if the end user knows they are avoiding VAT, they may be open to prosecution in their resident country.
If CCP knowingly take payment from an EU resident subscriber they *must* pay the VAT due, even if it hasn't been charged.)

Hmmm..

Now I am more confused.


Oh, someone mentioned before (either in this thread or a similar recent one) about exemption on low value imports.
That *does not* apply to electronic service, sorry.

Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2007.10.17 15:36:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Andrue on 17/10/2007 15:36:44
Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Nofonno
I would like someone from U.S.A. to set me straight here… Is there no VAT in U.S.A. or do you take your little credit card receipt, calculate your tax and pay it at the end of a fiscal year, perhaps?

However, I must pose this question: why aren't we all paying in ISK (Íslenska kronor)? Cool



No, we don't have VAT. It's a silly thing you Euros have added to make purchasing things on the Interweb more complicated and costly.
Your either woefully ignorant or being deliberately assinine.

VAT is just a form of sales tax. Almost every state in America levies tax. As does the county and sometimes the town. The only difference is that for some weird reason you leave it off the price label so that it comes as a nasty surprise when you actually reach the checkout..oh and you apparently don't charge it for online services..yet.

In any case:the poor state of the Dollar is responsible for most of the price differential. EU citizens are not 'paying more'. Both Americans and EU citizens are paying the same they always did (give or take inflation). The only real losers are CCP who have suffered a 50% income drop from their American subscribers.

As I've posted before:Anyone in the EU who is paying in USD is breaking the law but perhas more importantly is depriving CCP of income. It'd be nice to think that everyone who played this game would be willing to give CCP the money they ask for - but after 41 years I'm not too surprised to note that a number of people don't give a damn.

Rolling Eyes


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