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Opium Prime
The Jump Bridge of San Luis Rey
Posted - 2007.10.16 20:58:00 - [1]
 

Help me fit one please.

I surely want cloak and MWD - to pass gate camps and pretend I`m in a Curse\Pilgrim which I`m training to. Other then that I`m not sure. My damage is drones, so nos/neut in highs. But how to tank? I can put 1600 plate and EANMs for passive buffer, but it restricts me to small noses. Speed tank I won`t be able to run for long. To put a regular 800 plate and active armor tank? Also, what for mids? To utilise the bonus and put track disrupters? Or perhaps Damps\ECM burst?

Suggestions?

Hardtail
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.10.16 21:07:00 - [2]
 

how exactly do you plan on fooling them into thinking you're a curse/pilgrim? any person worth his salt has ship type set to overview : /

Jasese
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.10.16 21:08:00 - [3]
 

Try screaming in local ^^ might work

Opium Prime
The Jump Bridge of San Luis Rey
Posted - 2007.10.16 21:09:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Hardtail
how exactly do you plan on fooling them into thinking you're a curse/pilgrim? any person worth his salt has ship type set to overview : /


I meant more like fooling myself. Embarassed Laughing

macktruck6666
Posted - 2007.10.16 21:11:00 - [5]
 

Please use the search option next time b4 you post. I've found this thread with some pretty resent (post-nos-nerf) setups.
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Hardtail
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.10.16 21:14:00 - [6]
 

Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
Tracking Disruptor II
Warp Disruptor II

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
Improved Cloaking Device II

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]


try that

Testy Mctest
Posted - 2007.10.16 21:26:00 - [7]
 

A cloak won't get you past gatecamps. It will just get you killed 5 seconds later than you would have died anyway. And will gimp your locktime in PvP.

Tracking disruptors can be good, but there are a lot of missile ships out there and you really can't afford to waste a midslot when soloing.

Try this:

2x Dual Light Beam Laser, 2x Medium Nos
10mn MWD, Scrambler, Webber, Small Cap Booster
Medium Armour Rep, 2x Energized Adaptive Nano, Damage Control

Fits with all basic tech I, fits also with all tech II/best named, so whatever your skills are that'd work. Or you can mix and match missiles, neuts, all sorts of stuff in there.

macktruck6666
Posted - 2007.10.16 21:34:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: macktruck6666 on 16/10/2007 21:35:20
Originally by: Testy Mctest

Try this:

2x Dual Light Beam Laser, 2x Medium Nos
10mn MWD, Scrambler, Webber, Small Cap Booster
Medium Armour Rep, 2x Energized Adaptive Nano, Damage Control

Fits with all basic tech I, fits also with all tech II/best named, so whatever your skills are that'd work. Or you can mix and match missiles, neuts, all sorts of stuff in there.


Ummm... Dude
First, the cap will be gone in under a min.
Second, no mwd stuck inside of 10k webbing the target while webbed doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
Third, you can't rely on nos giving you energy since the nerf.

Thats just my take on it.

Drek Grapper
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.10.16 21:40:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: macktruck6666
Edited by: macktruck6666 on 16/10/2007 21:35:20
Originally by: Testy Mctest

Try this:

2x Dual Light Beam Laser, 2x Medium Nos
10mn MWD, Scrambler, Webber, Small Cap Booster
Medium Armour Rep, 2x Energized Adaptive Nano, Damage Control

Fits with all basic tech I, fits also with all tech II/best named, so whatever your skills are that'd work. Or you can mix and match missiles, neuts, all sorts of stuff in there.


Ummm... Dude
First, the cap will be gone in under a min.
Second, no mwd stuck inside of 10k webbing the target while webbed doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
Third, you can't rely on nos giving you energy since the nerf.

Thats just my take on it.



What's the Cap Booster there for do you think? Wink

macktruck6666
Posted - 2007.10.16 21:43:00 - [10]
 

It's a small cap booster. It can't keep up with the cap demand so it still won't work. It would work if it were a medium but he's already pushing the pg limit.

Hardtail
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:07:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Testy Mctest
A cloak won't get you past gatecamps. It will just get you killed 5 seconds later than you would have died anyway. And will gimp your locktime in PvP.

Tracking disruptors can be good, but there are a lot of missile ships out there and you really can't afford to waste a midslot when soloing.

Try this:

2x Dual Light Beam Laser, 2x Medium Nos
10mn MWD, Scrambler, Webber, Small Cap Booster
Medium Armour Rep, 2x Energized Adaptive Nano, Damage Control

Fits with all basic tech I, fits also with all tech II/best named, so whatever your skills are that'd work. Or you can mix and match missiles, neuts, all sorts of stuff in there.



the cloak can be left if thats what he wants. the rest of the setup is rubbish. That small cap booster wont do jack **** for that much drain, you need a medium. the web is pointless, as he's going to be operating outside web range anyways. one damp wont be enough to do anything worthwhile, though it'd be my second choice. multispec jammer wouldnt either, that slot goes for a tracking disruptor by default.

that setup wont work, and it gives you a *MUCH* lower count of things you can take out as opposed to the relatively speed overdrive setup.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:31:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Hardtail
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
Tracking Disruptor II
Warp Disruptor II

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
Improved Cloaking Device II

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]


try that


Any reason you put a 4th OD II instead of a Nano II? Also... Cloak = useless, put something useful in there.

Liang

Captain Rius
ELITE SUPPORT SERVICE
Posted - 2007.10.16 22:43:00 - [13]
 

3x nuet 1x nos/drone_uplink/HAM

1x mwd 1x damp/web 1x warp dis 1x M booster with 800s

1x MAR 2x ENAM 1x 800mm tug


Done.

Hardtail
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.10.16 23:03:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Hardtail
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
Tracking Disruptor II
Warp Disruptor II

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
Improved Cloaking Device II

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]


try that


Any reason you put a 4th OD II instead of a Nano II? Also... Cloak = useless, put something useful in there.

Liang



not very well versed in speedy setups myself, but im assuming that a nano on the bottom will increase the mwd speed more than that last OD ? dont have EFT right now so no way to check, though it sounds highly plausible.

cloak is there because he asked for it specifically

macktruck6666
Posted - 2007.10.16 23:30:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: macktruck6666 on 16/10/2007 23:37:08

"Speed Tank"

Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
NanofiberInternal Structure II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
Tracking Disruptor II
Warp Disruptor II

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
Improved Cloaking Device II


You need the cloaking because HE IS A CRUISER. When he gets agro in belt, he can't warp to gate and leave because he has a timer. If he tries, he stands a good chance of getting torn apart by the gate guns.

So, he needs to cloak. That tactic will work until REV 3 comes out and people will be able to start scanning for cloaked ships.

If you want any chance of shooting drones fit Medium Pulse Laser II instead of Focused Medium Pulse Laser II. The increased tracking will help immensely but at the expense of shooting target outside of disruptor range. Most of the damage will come from medium t2 drones.

I don't like that setup to much since it leaves you with no armor tank and only going 2300 m/s. The setup I like more lets the ship go 1400 m/s and has an armor tank.

"Best choice"
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
400mm Reinforce Rolled Tungsten PLates I

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Capacitor Booster II
Warp Disruptor II
Tracking Disruptor I

Medium Pulse Laser II,Multifrequency S
Medium Pulse Laser II,Multifrequency S
'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I
Prototype Cloaking Device I


Guys, stop suggesting setups that don't even fit.

Transcendant One
Posted - 2007.10.16 23:37:00 - [16]
 

1600mm plate - 2 EANM - DCU

MWD - web- disuptor - tracking disruptor

mix of small nos and neuts

macktruck6666
Posted - 2007.10.16 23:40:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: macktruck6666 on 16/10/2007 23:42:35
Originally by: Transcendant One
1600mm plate - 2 EANM - DCU

MWD - web- disuptor - tracking disruptor

mix of small nos and neuts


Your the third person to suggest a mwd and web combination. Why would anyone ever use that combination. Web the target, then your webbed. Web a hostile drone, 8 seconds the drone is out of web range.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2007.10.16 23:54:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 16/10/2007 23:56:41
Originally by: macktruck6666

You need the cloaking because HE IS A CRUISER. When he gets agro in belt, he can't warp to gate and leave because he has a timer. If he tries, he stands a good chance of getting torn apart by the gate guns.



The bold part is patently false, just FYI. I've typed up 3 different posts trying to explain why, but I haven't been able to come off sounding nice.

Liang

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2007.10.16 23:56:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: macktruck6666
Edited by: macktruck6666 on 16/10/2007 23:42:35
Originally by: Transcendant One
1600mm plate - 2 EANM - DCU

MWD - web- disuptor - tracking disruptor

mix of small nos and neuts


Your the third person to suggest a mwd and web combination. Why would anyone ever use that combination. Web the target, then your webbed. Web a hostile drone, 8 seconds the drone is out of web range.


You use that combination to get into scram/web range.. otherwise they just warp off?

Liang

macktruck6666
Posted - 2007.10.17 00:18:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: macktruck6666 on 17/10/2007 00:23:17

Ok, I don't like looking stupid but its probably my fault.

Anyway, so how does getting agro in a belt in lowsec and going to a gate not get you blown up. Oops, I just hit some lag and ended up at the gate in a pod. No sarcasm intended. I like the idea of hitting the cloak after and kill, getting something to drink, remember how nice the kill was, come back when the timer is gone and go for another kill. It's either that or try to evade someone scanning for you. Just my opinion.

I can see how you can use the combination to get in range but the web is only seems necessary for faster targets. It seems to me that the going 1400 m/s should be faster than any non nano ship/ non-interceptor . I geuss I just don't get it.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2007.10.17 00:41:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: macktruck6666
Edited by: macktruck6666 on 17/10/2007 00:23:17

Ok, I don't like looking stupid but its probably my fault.



Smile

Quote:

Anyway, so how does getting agro in a belt in lowsec and going to a gate not get you blown up. Oops, I just hit some lag and ended up at the gate in a pod. No sarcasm intended. I like the idea of hitting the cloak after and kill, getting something to drink, remember how nice the kill was, come back when the timer is gone and go for another kill. It's either that or try to evade someone scanning for you. Just my opinion.



Well, first of all, I think it's fairly common sense to not goto a gate when you've got an agg timer. Second, you can survive a limited engagement under the gates (long enough to jump through and warp out) if you're plated. Third, don't goto the gate when you've got a GCC. Fourth, keep hunting... or keep running if you feel you're being scanned out. TBH, I very rarely have the problem where I'm running from scan probes.

Quote:

I can see how you can use the combination to get in range but the web is only seems necessary for faster targets. It seems to me that the going 1400 m/s should be faster than any non nano ship/ non-interceptor . I geuss I just don't get it.


Have you ever looked at the cap consumption of a MWD vs the cap consumption of a web? Most of the setups that say "hey, get in his grill, web him, and steal his lunch money" have a plate or a decent tank.

Also, 1400 m/sec isn't all that fast... fyi. My Hurricane does more than that and still mounts a full tank...

Liang

Hardtail
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.10.17 01:06:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: macktruck6666
Edited by: macktruck6666 on 16/10/2007 23:42:35
Originally by: Transcendant One
1600mm plate - 2 EANM - DCU

MWD - web- disuptor - tracking disruptor

mix of small nos and neuts


Your the third person to suggest a mwd and web combination. Why would anyone ever use that combination. Web the target, then your webbed. Web a hostile drone, 8 seconds the drone is out of web range.


You use that combination to get into scram/web range.. otherwise they just warp off?

Liang



i understand where you're coming from, but a ship thats speedtanked entirely cant afford to get into web range, as it just kind of dissapears if its caught.

web/MWD makes perfect sense in a heavy tackler. my myrm hits 1.2k easy, webbed, im not going anywhere anytime soon, but i can afford that since i've got a full tank down below, not a bunch of overdrives/nano

Julius Romanus
Amarr
Posted - 2007.10.17 01:08:00 - [23]
 

I've tried the nano arb before, and what isnt being brought up is that you're fitting 3+ Overdrives, which limits your cargo capacity severely. Taking away booster charges.

On top of which, you arent that fast, so you can expect to run the MWD quite a bit if you plan to kite, which brings us back to the low number of boosters problem.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2007.10.17 01:23:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Hardtail

i understand where you're coming from, but a ship thats speedtanked entirely cant afford to get into web range, as it just kind of dissapears if its caught.

web/MWD makes perfect sense in a heavy tackler. my myrm hits 1.2k easy, webbed, im not going anywhere anytime soon, but i can afford that since i've got a full tank down below, not a bunch of overdrives/nano


I believe that all of the ships that had a web fit were fitting plates. Plate cruisers can be pretty deadly...

Liang

macktruck6666
Posted - 2007.10.17 01:46:00 - [25]
 

Thank you Lian for clarifying. It's a cheap ship, I'll try it out both ways. I guess a neut or drone link augmentor might be a good substitute.


 

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