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Kobushi
Posted - 2007.10.14 05:13:00 - [1]
 

1. Do not sell in Jita.
2. Do not buy in Jita.
3. Do not activate modules in Jita.
4. Do not run missions from Jita.
5. Do not run mission to Jita.
6. Do not dock in Jita.
7. Do not even look at Jita on the eve univers map.
8. Do not fly in Jita.
9. Do not let autopilot take you through Jita.
10. Jita is no longer a solar system, it collapsed under the weight of it's own whine and became a blackhole.


Remember kids: Friends don't let friends fly to Jita.

Kobushi
Posted - 2007.10.14 05:13:00 - [2]
 

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Kessiaan
Minmatar
Vagrants Inc
Posted - 2007.10.14 06:43:00 - [3]
 

It's relativity.

As the density of an object increases, it's gravitational field strength also increases, which causes time in that area (relative to time everywhere else) to slow down.

Now, as more and more people pile into Jita, the mass of the system increases to such a point that time dilation effects become quite pronounced, to the point where doing basic things such as changing course, activating modules, and docking/undocking can take several minutes to an outside observer.

Too many pilots, and the system just collapses into a swirling vortex of black hole doom. And CCP is nice enough to send the rest of us messages telling us to avoid Jita.

Gahjek
Posted - 2007.10.14 09:22:00 - [4]
 

jita is a pain, especially Sunday evenings, but be aware of scammers and never send your hauler through full of expensive goodies, apart from that your be amazed at what bargains you can pick up there

Cygnus Zhada
Viziam
Posted - 2007.10.14 11:02:00 - [5]
 

You are correct apart from ther buying and selling bit.

I fully accept lag since that means I have more sellers for my buy orders and more buyers for my sell orders.

Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
Ctrl Alt Elites
Posted - 2007.10.14 11:32:00 - [6]
 

If you go through Jita at and point on a Sunday you deserve every second spent waiting in the Stuck petition line.

Sunshine xXx
Posted - 2007.10.14 11:52:00 - [7]
 

I got nps with jita, only at prime times (evening mostly)

Oriella Trikassi
Trikassi Enterprises
Posted - 2007.10.14 18:13:00 - [8]
 

1. Do not go to Jita weekend evenings Evetime. That's EVETIME, the clock at the bottom left of your screen, not your local time.

2. Do not log off in Jita if you plan to log on next on any evening Evetime. Jita can gridlock weekday evenings too, though this is less common. Watch out for public holidays too - USA Labor Day 2007 caused a big gridlock.

3. Once you're in, look at the Local pilot count BEFORE you warp to the station. If it's below 600, no problem. Keep watching it. If it starts to rise towards 800 and lags starts, drop what you are doing and leave AT ONCE.

These are simple rules, and you will find that most everyone who gets stuck in Jita has not followed them.

KappaWing
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.10.14 18:27:00 - [9]
 

Is it normal, when you're trying to login to Jita, that it kicks you back to your character selection screen after 20 minutes of trying to log in?

Praxis1452
The Illuminatii
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2007.10.14 20:57:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: KappaWing
Is it normal, when you're trying to login to Jita, that it kicks you back to your character selection screen after 20 minutes of trying to log in?
why log out in jita!? just jump like 3 or four jumps.

Darklorden
Evident Doom
Brothers of Mayhem
Posted - 2007.10.14 22:38:00 - [11]
 

Why isn't CCP just chopping Jita up in several clusters (on their server) and then do handshaking between the clusters instead of just piling up all players on the same?

Perhaps I missed something but from other posts about this it seems as the whole Jita system is using (abusing) the same resources.

Kobushi
Posted - 2007.10.14 22:54:00 - [12]
 

Jita is already sitting on it's own pile of silicon, any more separation and we get Tranquility, Singularity, Multiplicity and Jita server. IMO there should be an added sales taxe on trade hub, not a lot but the more trade going on in a system the higher the tax goes (max could be 5%ish). Yes that will generate lots of whine but it would reward people pioneering new market and hubs and penalize the lazy any unadaptive players, simple law of evolution, put strain on the environement and the added stress will cause new adaptation/behavior or decline/death. But if it is tuned to just annoyance it will thin the population just enough...I do belive Jita issue will be resolved with social solution more then hardware ones.

Gartel Reiman
The Athiest Syndicate
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2007.10.15 00:00:00 - [13]
 

I believe that Yulai used to be a trade hub much like Jita is now, but CCP took action to end that somehow. After Yulai, Jita arose to what it is today.

Perhaps one of the older players can explain what it was that stopped Yulai being a mega-hub (I wouldn't be surprised if it was some kind of levy - in which case there is precent for this and whether it is a good option or not). I am intrigued in that CCP have taken action once, so would they not consider doing so again?

Kobushi
Posted - 2007.10.15 00:23:00 - [14]
 

I'm not saying kill jita, just make other options a bit more attractive. brutal changes will just transport the problem but as I said change the stimuli and you change the responses. It can be gradual...

Madrosynth
Posted - 2007.10.15 00:35:00 - [15]
 

All of these horror stories make me glad that I never plan on going anywhere near Jita.

I might plant an alt there someday, if I can figure out why it would possibly benefit me to do it.

Why DO people plant alts there?

Falka Lakadaka
Gallente
Posted - 2007.10.15 02:31:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Kobushi
IMO there should be an added sales taxe on trade hub, not a lot but the more trade going on in a system the higher the tax goes (max could be 5%ish).


Why not offer a sales tax/brokerage discount in 5 systems around Jita - say within 3 jumps. Sobaseki is already working it's way towards being a bit of a trade hub anyway - give it a push.

Penalising Jita would just move the problem next door. Offering attractive terms in multiple locations close by would promote new systems as alternatives.

You could even split it up - offer attractive terms for minerals in one system, modules in another, datacores and ships elsewhere. Try to get people to diversify. Jita would still be the place to get everything in one go, but bargain hunters could shop around a bit.



Shanur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.10.15 08:39:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Darklorden
Why isn't CCP just chopping Jita up in several clusters (on their server) and then do handshaking between the clusters instead of just piling up all players on the same?

Perhaps I missed something but from other posts about this it seems as the whole Jita system is using (abusing) the same resources.


Jita is at present the only system that has a box (parralel computing CPU unit) all to itself. All other systems share a box with at least a handful of other systems (which is why you can have traffic advisorys in fairly quiet systems). With the present state of the EVE server engine that is as much as can be done. CCP has posted before (no, i dont know the post either and i cant be bothered to look it up. Just trust my word. I have no reason to lie to you about this) that they are looking at remodelling their engine to allow a single system to be run by multiple boxes. This is quite a challenge as you have to keep in mind that everyone is supposed to interract seamlessly with each other so putting different people on different boxes will make that interraction tricky (imagine a suicide gank having to be run by 5 different boxes at the same time). It is on their agenda though.

Mephistophilis
ANZAC ALLIANCE
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.10.15 09:33:00 - [18]
 

Dont buy or sell in jita? Laughing
Jita is a trading hub created and used by the players! Just don't do missions, mine, go there for easy war teargets or log of there. If your not trading there is no reason to be there.

Curryzia Kinwurry
Posted - 2007.10.15 12:04:00 - [19]
 

Rules 1 and 2 go against human nature - greed. Everyone wants the most money, and the most money is to be found in the centralized trading hub, Jita.

After all, i find that alot of things i need can be found for only two-thirds of the price in Jita. Why go elsewhere when i can save myself a couple of mill?

Thumye
Posted - 2007.10.15 16:18:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Gartel Reiman
I believe that Yulai used to be a trade hub much like Jita is now, but CCP took action to end that somehow. After Yulai, Jita arose to what it is today.

Perhaps one of the older players can explain what it was that stopped Yulai being a mega-hub (I wouldn't be surprised if it was some kind of levy - in which case there is precent for this and whether it is a good option or not). I am intrigued in that CCP have taken action once, so would they not consider doing so again?



If I recall correctly during one of the RMR patches, or maybe Rev 1, CCP reoganized a bunch of the jumpgates destinations. So before this Yulai had something like 7 gates leading into it, after the update there was only 2 or 3, so CCP Killed Yulai as a trade hub by removing it from the main highway through that region. Jita still has this issue, and will probably remain a lag-fest trade hub as long as it has so many gates leading into it, regardless of any benefits or detriments applied to it or any of the systems near it.

Panch0Villa
Caldari
Posted - 2007.10.15 21:00:00 - [21]
 

All Eve orbits around Jita, the intergalactic black hole.

Woe to those who traverse the event horizon.

ShockedShockedShocked

Oriella Trikassi
Trikassi Enterprises
Posted - 2007.10.15 21:54:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Thumye
If I recall correctly during one of the RMR patches, or maybe Rev 1, CCP reoganized a bunch of the jumpgates destinations.

The demise of Yulai was a totally unintended result of the removal of some 'highway' jumps, notably one that made Caldari to Gallente core systems half the number of jumps it is now. It was I believe a module and ship trading hub, I never went there.

This was an early indication that the Eve Market was assuming a life of its own, no longer under direct and predictable control of anyone. If the Devs knew which buttons to press they wouldn't have hired an economist!



Oriella Trikassi
Trikassi Enterprises
Posted - 2007.10.15 22:25:00 - [23]
 

There are already mechanisms that discourage non-combat pilot blobbing.

For factories, there is the slot limit. If the queue is too long, people go somewhere else. When the Research queues got too long everywhere, Empire POS were given inducements to open up Labs.

For Corp Offices, if a Station is full to capacity the Rent starts to rise, and keeps rising until Corps start to move elsewhere. This is a near perfect example of negative feedback. My home station hovers at 0-2 Offices empty, exactly where it should.

For Jita, a variable Sales tax based on volume of trade would do the same. Why the Caldari Navy doesn't do this I have no idea. Have they been infiltrated by a Trader cartel? More likely they are just dumb bureaucrats. The Jita whiners seem to be dumb as well, as they never suggest it.
Very Happy

Filoviridae
Minmatar
Devious - Special Forces
Knights Of the Southerncross
Posted - 2007.10.15 22:28:00 - [24]
 

1. SIMPLY HAVE A GOOD COMPUTER, YOU'RE ALL SET.


Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2007.10.15 23:31:00 - [25]
 

I may be dense, but why is Jita the trade center of EvE? Was it the social gathering point during beta and that just translated into live?

Zeph Yrus
Caldari
Celestial Horizon Corp.
United Corporate Ventures
Posted - 2007.10.16 01:12:00 - [26]
 

PPL remember, unless u have godly power or a Blue gene computer (if u have this PRETTY MPLZLEMME COME AND PLAY!!) stay out of jita.. stay clear of jita.. even being close to agate that leads to jita is death

Kadoes Khan
Posted - 2007.10.16 05:27:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Kadoes Khan on 16/10/2007 05:30:32
Originally by: Filoviridae

1. SIMPLY HAVE A GOOD COMPUTER, YOU'RE ALL SET.




Doesn't matter how good your computer is when the server is the one struggling.

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I may be dense, but why is Jita the trade center of EvE? Was it the social gathering point during beta and that just translated into live?

It's the Caldari Trade Hub, SWA(Caldari NPC Corp) has the most mission runners(and probably farmers) so there are tons of people there to start with. Tons of people at a trade hub tend to attract tons more people because of availability of items(due to so many people) and the spiral continues.

Irongut
Sex Money Guns
Posted - 2007.10.16 21:43:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Kobushi
1. Do not sell in Jita.
2. Do not buy in Jita.
3. Do not activate modules in Jita.
4. Do not run missions from Jita.
5. Do not run mission to Jita.
6. Do not dock in Jita.
7. Do not even look at Jita on the eve univers map.
8. Do not fly in Jita.
9. Do not let autopilot take you through Jita.
10. Jita is no longer a solar system, it collapsed under the weight of it's own whine and became a blackhole.



I've never had any problems with Jita and the only ones of your rules I follow are nos 4 and 5. Caldari agents don't like me anyhow. The only rules I follow myself are...

Don't go to Jita on Sunday.
Don't log out in Jita.

Xzar Fyrarr
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2007.10.17 12:04:00 - [29]
 

1.Stay in Rens
2.Stay in Rens
3.Stay in rens
4.Stay in Rens
5.Don't enter jita[ phear of all those damed caldari blinky lights]
6.Dont dock in jita [caldari employees will.....]
7.Dont sell in jita [POLITICS]
8.Dont buy in jita [POLITICS]


 

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