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XenoPagan
Posted - 2007.10.08 12:37:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: XenoPagan on 08/10/2007 12:55:24
Alloha to all those other funky people who use Amarr technology instead of Caldari for missions.
Been using Abba as a missionboat (among other things) since it came out and now feel I need a change. But what could possibly be better than this awesome shiny behemoth? navy tech I guess. So I started to fiddle around in EFT (Eve Fitting Tool) to see if Navy Apoc would be better than Abba.

Here's Abba:
*
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor X Hardener II
Armor X Hardener II
Energized X Membrane II
Energized X Membrane II
Power Diagnostic System II
Heat Sink II
*
Cap Recharger II x3
Tracking Computer II
*
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I x7
*
rigs:
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
*
armor: 10625
DPS: 475 / Volley: 3443
+124 DPS from drones


And here's Navy Apoc:
*
Power Diagnostic System II
Armor X Hardener II
Armor X Hardener II
Energized X Membrane II
Energized X Membrane II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II
Mark I Generator Refitting: Reaction Control
*
Cap Recharger II x2
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines
Tracking Computer II
*
Tachyon Modulated Energy Beam I x 8
*
rigs:
[empty]

armor: 14063
DPS: 434 / Volley: 3672
+124 DPS from drones

Problem with this fit right now is that I don't know Energy Grid Upgrades V yet, thus can't fit RCU II so I could remove PDU II :D. I will change this soon enough.


So I get slightly better resistances and higher DPS with Abba and better survivability with NApoc.
Question is, is extra price worth it? Any NApoc pilots out there who have abandoned Abaddon for this?
And what rigs to fit on NApoc to make that puppy better? My guess is that it wouldn't need CCC rigs beacause of its bonuses to weapon cap usage.

Any input (besides "train another race" (too late now!)) is welcome!
thanks in advance.

[edit- crap, had wrong chrystals in Abba, resulting in wrong DPS parameters. fixed now]

The Armin
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.10.08 13:16:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: The Armin on 08/10/2007 13:18:23
Did my first lvl4 yesterday, need lots of isk fast and I'm currently running this Abaddon:

8 Mega Pulse II

1 Heavy Electrochem(T2 doesn't fit always)
1 Cap Recharger II
1 Tracking CPU II
1 AB/2nd Cap Recharger/Web (Faction AB, T2 CR or Fleeting Web)

1 LAR II
3 Hardeners II (EM/Therm/Therm)
3 Heat Sink II

5 Hob II
5 Hammer II

I have all skills bar the laser spec at 5 tho. No idea dps n' stuff but it works.
Does Sansha/Blood/Drone very well, the others I just reject and move on.

Manus Stuprare
Cold Service
Posted - 2007.10.08 13:16:00 - [3]
 

Your Apoc setup appears not to have an armour repairer, which could be a slight drawback :)

Really I don't see the point in changing to a lower dps setup, you'll only do missions more slowly and it seems like a waste of isk to me.

Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2007.10.08 13:16:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 08/10/2007 13:19:49
In one word: no

A bit more eloquent: You have yet to discover the true virtue of your Abaddon. It only starts shining when you fit 3 heatsinks. And whatever is causing people to fit less than 8 lasers? That is so silly it boggles my mind. 8 Megabeams > 7 Tachs any day, and PG permits a mix usually anyway. Or if you have the skills, use T2 Megapulse and Scorch.

If you want to shell out money for a better mission boat, get officer beams (if you cannot use scorch) or officer heatsinks for your Abaddon. My most used fit is centered around 2 Tachys, 6 Megabeams, AB, a Heavy cap booster and 3 Hetasinks, all of this the best I can afford/find. Of course this only works against Blood/Sansha/Drones, but running missions that do not focus on these enemies (i.e. non-Amarr agents) in a Laser ship is silly in the first place.

Also, it is NEVER too late to train another race, though in this case it is not neccessary, a gank Abaddon is right up there with the CNR for mission efficiency.

Asestorian
Domination.
Posted - 2007.10.08 13:19:00 - [5]
 

Well, first off I'd like to say that I'd use Mega Beams over Tachyons for missions, because they use less cap, have better tracking, and allow you to fit more stuff.

That said, I'd probably just go for the Abaddon over the Navy Apocalypse for missions. The Navy Apocalypse has the advantage of looking pimp, and an extra low slot, but even if I fit 4 heat sinks, the Abaddon can do more damage using 3, and using longer range crystals that use less cap, meaning that even the Abaddon can sustain it's fire forever whilst using a single repairer and two resistance modules.

And with that, it has more tank too. The Navy Apocalypse has more overall armour, but in missions you want a better sustainable tank, not a bigger buffer. At least in my opinion.

This all even though the Navy Apocalypse can forgo cap rigs completely (although needs one in my set-up to use Multifrequency crystals), and fit armour rigs. However, it needs to fit a powergrid rig if it wants to fit 8 beams with everything else and not waste a low slot.

So overall, I'd go Abaddon every time. Less to lose, better performance. Navy Apocalypse only has the pimp-factor really.

XenoPagan
Posted - 2007.10.08 13:36:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Manus Stuprare
Your Apoc setup appears not to have an armour repairer, which could be a slight drawback :)

jesus! /note to myself: never fiddle around with EFT in the busy workday and between meetings. also proofread.

Thanks for responces guys. I'll fit Abba to beams and check how it turns out.
Decision to change Abaddon to something else was primarily because I was slightly bored and wanted a change. I didn't do missions for quite while and when wallet started to show bottom, took it up again, only to find out that I was little bit sick of seeing the same ol' ship.
Anyways, thanks again, will stick to Abba, zoom out and pretend it to be Thomas the Tank Engine or something :)

Layla Ashley
Amarr
Steel-Rain
Void Conglomerate
Posted - 2007.10.08 14:11:00 - [7]
 

i didn't fly missions lately (was kinda inactive), so not sure how it looks with all these cap drain changes for bloodraiders, but anyway:

i used navy apoc before changing to abba. and i never regretted it. my navy apoc had 3 rep amount rig (before the stacking nerf), my abba got 3 cap rigs. so the total tank was better on my apoc then on my abbadon. but never had problems with my abbadon tank. never had cap problems either on my abbadon. and the dps on the abbadon is alot better.

for sansha / bloodraider missions i use 1 lar + 2 hardener tank, together with 3 hs and cpr. ok, i use deadspace items, but even t2 lar should be ok if you don't aggro everything at once (if you have bs 5)

oh, btw, i use 8 x mega pulse + mutlifreq/infrared

Dorah Hawkwing
Old Galactic Earth Regiment
Dragoon Federation
Posted - 2007.10.08 14:28:00 - [8]
 

Navy Apoc is cap stable with dual LAR (II and Mirzu's), 3 X hardeners, EANM II, Centus-X-AB, and 8* Megapuls II all running.

Abbadon simply isn't.

Abbadon has higher DPS, Navpoc tanks where the abbadon can't.

Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2007.10.08 14:39:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Dorah Hawkwing
Navy Apoc is cap stable with dual LAR (II and Mirzu's), 3 X hardeners, EANM II, Centus-X-AB, and 8* Megapuls II all running.

Abbadon simply isn't.

Abbadon has higher DPS, Navpoc tanks where the abbadon can't.


The Abaddons 20-25% extra dps is a much better tank than a second LAR though :P
There simply are no Blood/Sansha/Drone missions that kill a competently flown Gankabaddon. So no need for the extra tanking of the Navypoc, unless you have to keep your armor at 100% at all times for aesthetical reasons or something.

Twin blade
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.10.08 16:20:00 - [10]
 

Keep the abaddon and just pimp it out with office mods.


 

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