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Madla Mafia
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.10.03 16:23:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Madla Mafia on 03/10/2007 16:23:31
It's funny to look at alliance's killboards, and viewing their stats by "Ships and Weapons" used. Honestly, 9 out of 10 alliances don't have any Amarr ships showing up in "Top 20 Ships" used. Now what does that tell you? Laughing

Edit: Typo

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.10.03 16:24:00 - [2]
 

Now search in the top 10 alliances involved in fleet fights and run the query again.

Lisento Slaven
The Drekla Consortium
Posted - 2007.10.03 16:28:00 - [3]
 

Absolution has number 1 kills for Rule of Three. By a lot. Next Amarrian ship is Abaddon (6th) and the Sacrilege (7th). And then more further down the list. I'm sure other alliances use plenty of Amarrian ships too...

Dano Sarum
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.10.03 16:41:00 - [4]
 

Well, it's pretty strange what your saying. The Absolution is a great ship, it's the most used command ship after sleipnir.
The Zealot is used very much as curse and pilgrim are.
Abaddon, whether fitted good, it's so powerfull, believe me.

Krist Valentine
Amarr
funmachine
Posted - 2007.10.03 16:45:00 - [5]
 

I think what he's trying to say is but wat about thee retributionz?

Peanut Swsh
Posted - 2007.10.03 17:46:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Peanut Swsh on 03/10/2007 17:47:11
man, everytime i look at a cap ship kill, amongst all the dreads, there's always a frikken armageddon randomly on there near the top of the km Shocked

Lithel
Taking a break from Eve Online
Posted - 2007.10.03 17:49:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Krist Valentine
I think what he's trying to say is but wat about thee retributionz?


lol

goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire
Posted - 2007.10.03 17:52:00 - [8]
 

I see a geddon and apoc on our list.

Odium47
Posted - 2007.10.03 18:22:00 - [9]
 

LoL, the main killer of amarr ships was the Curse, but it was nerfed.
Now, if i am not mistakin, the serial killer is the Vagabond in competition with the Crow.
Usually people use recons: fast, hard shield and armor, expandable, great dps.

Arimdar
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.10.03 18:22:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Arimdar on 03/10/2007 18:22:59
nvm

Hobblah
Caldari
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2007.10.03 18:23:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Hobblah on 03/10/2007 18:25:27
5 Amarr ships at KIA top 20. That happens to be 20 divide by number of player races. No ORE ships in the most used list :( So if you want to whine about racial unbalance, whine for ORE not Amarr.

5th Zealot
9th Malediction
11th Curse
15th Armageddon
20th Crusader

Krist Valentine
Amarr
funmachine
Posted - 2007.10.03 18:27:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Hobblah
Edited by: Hobblah on 03/10/2007 18:25:27
5 Amarr ships at KIA top 20. That happens to be 20 divide by number of player races. No ORE ships in the most used list :( So if you want to whine about racial unbalance, whine for ORE not Amarr.

5th Zealot
9th Malediction
11th Curse
15th Armageddon
20th Crusader


but wat about thee retributionz?

Xanstin
Gallente
Posted - 2007.10.03 18:29:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Odium47

Usually people use recons:great dps.


Just Laughing at the fact you once again display a lack of clue

OP:

The geddon is a monster. The abso is a solid ship that can field an amazing tank. The abaddon is an excellent gank/plate boat, better imho than neutronplatethron at station/gate fighting.

Oh, and you need to check better killboards Smile

Odium47
Posted - 2007.10.03 18:52:00 - [14]
 

I didnt said dps greater than...
Please read carefully, i said great dps...for ships that have skills on 3-4 weapons, go quite fast, can cloak, have hard shields and armor, can tank, can tackle and probably their capacitor will outlast larger ships.

Xequecal
Posted - 2007.10.03 19:02:00 - [15]
 

Minmatar is almost as rare. Didn't you read the dev blog? There's almost as many Gallente ships as Amarr and Minmatar put together, 45% of all capital ships are Gallente, and this INCLUDES freighters, so you can pretty much bet on well over half of all carriers and dreads being Gallente.

But I'm sure this is a coincidence and has nothing to do with Gallente being grossly overpowered.

Corwain
Posted - 2007.10.03 19:29:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Xequecal
....and this INCLUDES freighters...

But I'm sure this is a coincidence and has nothing to do with Gallente being grossly overpowered.


Yes yes, the Obelisk is the best freighter by far...so overpowered. NERF.

/sarcasm

Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
The Firm.
Posted - 2007.10.03 19:34:00 - [17]
 

My corp has Armageddon 9th and Absolution 16th.

Actually our rankings are a strong reflection of our tactics. Piracy is the name of the game, so the Drake is a clear leader (bait), followed by the Megathron (duh) and a list dominated by recons and other cloakers.

Many of our pilots can fly Amarr, but are choosing specialist plaforms such as the sniper Eagle instead. And the Crow is the one-size-fits-all tackler, only two pilots dare to be different. The only mystery is why the Curse and Pilgrim are not on the list, but Amarr ships as a whole are not terribly well suited to setting gank traps, so there is an operational bias against them.

At the moment there is no function they fit significantly better than another race's counterpart.

Emperor D'Hoffryn
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.10.03 19:50:00 - [18]
 

if you look at lowsec pirate corps, curse and pilgrim are absent cause they are not good at gate camping, due to sentries shooting drones.

sac is on the uprise still, give it time.

given the scarce nature of amarr pilots these days, i think amarr ships are doing quite well. we really only need better t1 cruisers.

Julius Romanus
Amarr
Posted - 2007.10.03 20:03:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
if you look at lowsec pirate corps, curse and pilgrim are absent cause they are not good at gate camping, due to sentries shooting drones.

sac is on the uprise still, give it time.

given the scarce nature of amarr pilots these days, i think amarr ships are doing quite well. we really only need better t1 cruisers.


The arbitrator seems fairly nice, but I havent yet found the perfect setup for it post nos nerf.

madaluap
Gallente
Anthrax Foundation
Posted - 2007.10.03 20:56:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Xequecal
Minmatar is almost as rare. Didn't you read the dev blog? There's almost as many Gallente ships as Amarr and Minmatar put together, 45% of all capital ships are Gallente, and this INCLUDES freighters, so you can pretty much bet on well over half of all carriers and dreads being Gallente.

But I'm sure this is a coincidence and has nothing to do with Gallente being grossly overpowered.


Our board:

#1 Huggin
#2 sabre
#3 vagabond
#4 flycatcher
#5 crow
#6 lachesis
#7 arazu
#8 megathron
#9 tempest
#10 rupture
#11 sleipnir
#12 myrmidom
#13 hurricane
#14 rapier
#15 ares

Biggest part of these players chose a race before gallente or minmatar became "teh uber". You really dont know **** about roaming gangs nor minmatar do you? Dont post that kind of minmatar sucks boohoo crap. IMO minmatar is grossly overpowered.

That said...1 day till minmatar cruiser 5 OMGRAWR, sleipnir, huggin, rapier, vagabond, ZOOOOOOOM ZOOOOOOM ZOOOOOM RATATAATATA, ZOOOOM.

Amarr just boring, do you really think the ares is on it for its goodness?

Nhoj Sllew
Amarr
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.10.03 21:14:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Peanut Swsh
Edited by: Peanut Swsh on 03/10/2007 17:47:11
man, everytime i look at a cap ship kill, amongst all the dreads, there's always a frikken armageddon randomly on there near the top of the km Shocked




haha i was thinkin the same thing

its always like, naglfar, moros, revelation,nag, rev , moros, thantos, gedden, chimaera, moros, rev, rev

armagedden is eleventh on our killboard and 2nd on our corp

Xequecal
Posted - 2007.10.03 21:36:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: madaluap

Biggest part of these players chose a race before gallente or minmatar became "teh uber". You really dont know **** about roaming gangs nor minmatar do you? Dont post that kind of minmatar sucks boohoo crap. IMO minmatar is grossly overpowered.

That said...1 day till minmatar cruiser 5 OMGRAWR, sleipnir, huggin, rapier, vagabond, ZOOOOOOOM ZOOOOOOM ZOOOOOM RATATAATATA, ZOOOOM.

Amarr just boring, do you really think the ares is on it for its goodness?


Please point out where I said that Minmatar sucks. Oh wait, I didn't. Minmatar doesn't suck, Gallente is just grossly overpowered. Vagabond is a solopwnmobile but it's not a great gang ship, the DPS on a full speed fit is very low, they'll just kill it last. Arazu/Lachesis beat the crap out of Huginn/Rapier. Sleipnir is very good but it's no Eos.

madaluap
Gallente
Anthrax Foundation
Posted - 2007.10.03 22:00:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: madaluap on 03/10/2007 22:01:12
Edited by: madaluap on 03/10/2007 22:00:50
Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: madaluap

Biggest part of these players chose a race before gallente or minmatar became "teh uber". You really dont know **** about roaming gangs nor minmatar do you? Dont post that kind of minmatar sucks boohoo crap. IMO minmatar is grossly overpowered.

That said...1 day till minmatar cruiser 5 OMGRAWR, sleipnir, huggin, rapier, vagabond, ZOOOOOOOM ZOOOOOOM ZOOOOOM RATATAATATA, ZOOOOM.

Amarr just boring, do you really think the ares is on it for its goodness?


Please point out where I said that Minmatar sucks. Oh wait, I didn't. Minmatar doesn't suck, Gallente is just grossly overpowered. Vagabond is a solopwnmobile but it's not a great gang ship, the DPS on a full speed fit is very low, they'll just kill it last. Arazu/Lachesis beat the crap out of Huginn/Rapier. Sleipnir is very good but it's no Eos.


Why full speedfit it? isnt 1 or 2 gyrostabs + 5-6 km/s speed + ability to engage and leave at will enough? I cannot believe, i simply cannot believe that *anyone* actually dares to claim that the arazu and lachesis are stronger than a huggin/rapier. About the eos, yep that thing is kinda overpowered...in its class. A sleipnir is a better asset for ganking than a eos or astarte.

Originally by: Xequecal
Minmatar is almost as rare. Didn't you read the dev blog? There's almost as many Gallente ships as Amarr and Minmatar put together


I think everyone reads. Boohoo, minmatar are also rare, we suck aswell. Boost minmatar. There are more gallente so they are overpowered.

Why dont you mention caldari? They seem to be the "most used race". Oh thats right, cause they are all running ****ing missions in 1.0 and their mainweapons are shared on each and every single race in the game, making it easy to train into caldari.

Originally by: Xequecal
45% of all capital ships are Gallente, and this INCLUDES freighters, so you can pretty much bet on well over half of all carriers and dreads being Gallente.


I heard that 88.9456% of all numbers are made up on the spot. OMG this includes freighters, all hail gallente, all hail gallente! Maybe its because iteron mark 5 has been the best hauler since beta, you know the time when other races ruled?

Caldari freighter = can carry the most stuff
minmatar freighter = the fastest
gallente = average sucky
amarr = omfg sexy (why isnt this a MS/carrier design?)

Capitals are slow, minmatar are speed specialised = bad mixture. Someone has to be the "worst". Amarr capitals are also fantastic vessels.

Elmicker
Wreckless Abandon
Posted - 2007.10.03 22:03:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Xequecal
45% of all capital ships are Gallente, and this INCLUDES freighters, so you can pretty much bet on well over half of all carriers and dreads being Gallente.


I heard that 88.9456% of all numbers are made up on the spot.


This one isn't. Check the new economics dev blog.

Xanstin
Gallente
Posted - 2007.10.03 22:06:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Xanstin on 03/10/2007 22:06:05
Originally by: Odium47
I didnt said dps greater than...
Please read carefully, i said great dps...for ships that have skills on 3-4 weapons, go quite fast, can cloak, have hard shields and armor, can tank, can tackle and probably their capacitor will outlast larger ships.


You're an idiot. When you talk about how goods stats of a ship are it's useless if you aren't comparing it to anything. Recons have at best mediocre dps. It will never, ever, ever be great by any standard. Not all recons are of the cloaking variety, no recon can tank well, and recons have crappy cap. I've only ever lost one recon, and it was because my cap died and then I couldnt escape.

Never, ever post again you clueless twit.

madaluap
Gallente
Anthrax Foundation
Posted - 2007.10.03 22:08:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: madaluap on 03/10/2007 22:09:40
Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Xequecal
45% of all capital ships are Gallente, and this INCLUDES freighters, so you can pretty much bet on well over half of all carriers and dreads being Gallente.


I heard that 88.9456% of all numbers are made up on the spot.


This one isn't. Check the new economics dev blog.


I wasnt refering to that. I was refering to his 45% and after that his "over half of all carriers and dreads being gallente". So lets see 45% is less than over half. On top of that he includes the most flown freighter in the game. Now what do you think that this most flown freighter in the game will do to the capital number, yes it will make it rise. Now how the hell can can over half of the carrier and dreads be gallente now?

Emperor D'Hoffryn
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.10.03 23:25:00 - [27]
 

Crow 1294
Caracal 1292
Taranis 853
Megathron 822
Manticore 650
Thorax 627
Flycatcher 602
Armageddon 600
Harpy 549
Myrmidon 531
Crusader 463
Omen 459
Curse 439
Lachesis 439
Drake 397
Enyo 397
Sabre 367
Moa 349
Huginn 345
Malediction 342

huginn/rapier > lach/arazu easily.

killboard stats like this are easily misleading. you could conclude from above that caracals are the bomb, when really we just have silly pilots who like flying drunk in our corp.

Ecky X
SniggWaffe
FREE KARTTOON NOW
Posted - 2007.10.04 04:56:00 - [28]
 

Our (relatively new) board:

Typhoon 167
Drake 117
Myrmidon 83
Dominix 68
Huginn 50
Ishtar 41
Caracal 41
Tempest 40
Hurricane 36
Crow 35
Rapier 34
Vagabond 34
Thorax 31
Ishkur 30
Cerberus 29
Maelstrom 27
Jaguar 26
Megathron 23
Armageddon 22
Lachesis 18

8/20 = Minmatar
7/20 = Gallente
4/20 = Caldari
1/20 = Amarr

I believe the number of pilots flying each race is:
Caldari ~ Gallente > Minmatar > Amarr


Pretty good show for Minmatar.

Ather Ialeas
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.10.04 06:20:00 - [29]
 

There's currently 2 Amarrs in PERVS and I know only 5 of us in total in CoW. I guess that tells something too.

Phelan Lore
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.10.04 06:40:00 - [30]
 

I'd be willing to bet that a large number of amarr ships show up on the BoB killboard.


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