Posted - 2007.09.28 18:03:00 - [152]

 

Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: Fswd

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Yeah sure, you should be able to counter everything in your solopwnmobile. How about countering your solopwnmobile then?

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LoL.. now this is damn funny.. me.. in a solo pwnmobile.. that will be the day.

Yes my ratting raven is pure pwnage as is my tissue paper stealth bomber.

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A RATTING raven is not supposed to be able to beat a PVP fit HAC. Try fitting a dual web, sensor damp, armor tank Raven with cruise missiles. You'll own a nano ship. If they don't come within web range they'll never do enough dmg to kill you (everything but nano-ishtar). Cruise missiles will own a nano-ish though. Unless it's snakes + faction fit in which case he SHOULD own you on pure fact that he spent so goddamn much on the ship.

Posted - 2007.09.28 18:09:00 - [154]

 

Originally by: Sm0kE

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Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: Fswd

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Yeah sure, you should be able to counter everything in your solopwnmobile. How about countering your solopwnmobile then?

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LoL.. now this is damn funny.. me.. in a solo pwnmobile.. that will be the day.

Yes my ratting raven is pure pwnage as is my tissue paper stealth bomber.

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A RATTING raven is not supposed to be able to beat a PVP fit HAC. Try fitting a dual web, sensor damp, armor tank Raven with cruise missiles. You'll own a nano ship. If they don't come within web range they'll never do enough dmg to kill you (everything but nano-ishtar). Cruise missiles will own a nano-ish though. Unless it's snakes + faction fit in which case he SHOULD own you on pure fact that he spent so goddamn much on the ship.

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Sarcasm is lost on you.

So by your reasoning.. wallet size makes you a winner. If you can spend more on your ship then the next guy, you deserve the instant win.
Damn I should go buy a few scammer frigates for a few hundred million.. surely if I spend 500mill on a kestral, by your reasoning, I should be able to own anyone cause I spent so much on it.

Posted - 2007.09.28 18:19:00 - [156]

 

Edited by: Sm0kE on 28/09/2007 18:20:03
Edited by: Sm0kE on 28/09/2007 18:19:22

Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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You do know that when you orbit something.. their transversal is ALOT bigger then yours is.

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Check out page 3

Transversal between a ship standing still and a ship orbiting will always be the same. Both ships turrets must move at the same speed in order to track the other ship.

Posted - 2007.09.28 18:25:00 - [158]

 

Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: Polinus

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Originally by: Lisento Slaven

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How long do Huginn's and Rapier's last when they're called primary by a nano gang anyways

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Abot forever if you have a good gang and fields remote repairing.

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Don't they have to slow down to be repped?

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With a 100km+ webbing range? No.

Staying in both web and rep range is trivial. These ships don't rely on speed. to do their job.

Posted - 2007.09.28 18:55:00 - [160]

 

Originally by: Xanstin

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...between the OPs complete lack of knowledge about speed setups, the way turret nanoships fly, the way turrets work, the way physics works whilst whining about innacurate physics, and a general cluelessness regarding game balance, we can safely call this another day in general discussion.

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Amen to that brotha.

Posted - 2007.09.28 19:19:00 - [162]

 

Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 28/09/2007 19:32:22
Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 28/09/2007 19:31:11
Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 28/09/2007 19:29:47

Originally by: Sm0kE

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Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Originally by: Fswd

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Yeah sure, you should be able to counter everything in your solopwnmobile. How about countering your solopwnmobile then?

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LoL.. now this is damn funny.. me.. in a solo pwnmobile.. that will be the day.

Yes my ratting raven is pure pwnage as is my tissue paper stealth bomber.

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A RATTING raven is not supposed to be able to beat a PVP fit HAC. Try fitting a dual web, sensor damp, armor tank Raven with cruise missiles. You'll own a nano ship. If they don't come within web range they'll never do enough dmg to kill you (everything but nano-ishtar). Cruise missiles will own a nano-ish though. Unless it's snakes + faction fit in which case he SHOULD own you on pure fact that he spent so goddamn much on the ship.

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The amount of money spent should never be the measuring stick of how deadly a PvP ship is. It should be player experience, either in skill points or in skill at the keyboard.

As long as you don't mean that literally, I'm fine with that statement.

Originally by: Sm0kE

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Edited by: Sm0kE on 28/09/2007 18:20:03
Edited by: Sm0kE on 28/09/2007 18:19:22

Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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You do know that when you orbit something.. their transversal is ALOT bigger then yours is.

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Check out page 3

Transversal between a ship standing still and a ship orbiting will always be the same. Both ships turrets must move at the same speed in order to track the other ship.

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This is not right. The ship being orbited must move his guns at a higher arctangent/sec than the ship orbiting. If both ships are moving, the difference in speed and direction determines the rate of change the guns need to move.

If one ship is sitting still while the other orbits, the orbiting ships transversal is 0 deg/s, while the ship being orbited transversal rate depends on how quickly the orbiting ship orbits.

Posted - 2007.09.28 19:32:00 - [164]

 

Originally by: Christari Zuborov

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If one ship is sitting still while the other orbits, the orbiting ships transversal is 0 deg/s, while the ship being orbited transversal rate depends on how quickly the orbiting ship orbits.

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In reality, yes.
In eve, no.

Posted - 2007.09.28 19:34:00 - [166]

 

Originally by: Christari Zuborov

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If one ship is sitting still while the other orbits, the orbiting ships transversal is 0 deg/s, while the ship being orbited transversal rate depends on how quickly the orbiting ship orbits.

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Go orbit an alliance mate who is sitting still and see what your transversal is. Then ask him what his is. They will be the same.

Posted - 2007.09.28 19:38:00 - [168]

 

Originally by: Christari Zuborov

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I don't understand... If this is true this is a monumental bug. Is there proof of this?

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It's not a bug, it's
a) game balance. Unless you want nanoships to be able to track
b) much, much, much less stressful on the server.

It's always been this way and there's no reason for it to change.

Posted - 2007.09.28 19:48:00 - [170]

 

Originally by: Dreadpilot Roberts

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Originally by: Slaatibartfast

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Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

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zomg this is the best reply anyone could post :))

To the OP - stop whining and start playing EVE. U know that game in which u must actually use ur brain sometimes to win a fight, not go wtfpwn everyone in ur two bit t1 fitted caracal.

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We all know what making assumptions makes you and ume

Posted - 2007.09.28 19:49:00 - [172]

 

Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Well as we all know the nerfbat has a few mods in its sights..


To use the dreaded real life example..
MiG-25 Foxbat 2,115 mph. The fastest jet fighter in the world.
F-15 Eagle 1,875 mph. Fastest United States jet fighter.
VS.
Russian Topol SS-27 (the worlds fastest missile) 10,800mph
US AIM-54 Phoenix missile In excess of 3,000 mph (4,800 kmph)


Discuss

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neither of these RL missiles would be able to catch a RL space shuttle at escape velocity.

Posted - 2007.09.28 19:53:00 - [174]

 

Originally by: caladron prime

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Originally by: Illyria Ambri

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Well as we all know the nerfbat has a few mods in its sights..


To use the dreaded real life example..
MiG-25 Foxbat 2,115 mph. The fastest jet fighter in the world.
F-15 Eagle 1,875 mph. Fastest United States jet fighter.
VS.
Russian Topol SS-27 (the worlds fastest missile) 10,800mph
US AIM-54 Phoenix missile In excess of 3,000 mph (4,800 kmph)


Discuss

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neither of these RL missiles would be able to catch a RL space shuttle at escape velocity.

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and?

Posted - 2007.09.28 19:57:00 - [176]

 

Edited by: Sm0kE on 28/09/2007 20:01:08
Edited by: Sm0kE on 28/09/2007 19:58:29

Originally by: Tunak

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Go read the ship description. 100km+ is with a standard run of the mill t1 webber.

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Umm not to stray from the topic, but have you ever flown a huginn? Where does 60% bonus per level @ 10km base = 100km?

At Recon lvl IV I get 34km on my webs.

Posted - 2007.09.28 20:00:00 - [178]

 

Originally by: Marcathonas

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Originally by: Christari Zuborov

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I don't understand... If this is true this is a monumental bug. Is there proof of this?

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It's not a bug, it's
a) game balance. Unless you want nanoships to be able to track
b) much, much, much less stressful on the server.

It's always been this way and there's no reason for it to change.

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I don't mean this as an insult, but you don't have a clue.

Floating point calculations are floating point calculations - we've already breached the no-no's in CPU conservation, so it makes no difference whether the transversal rate is calculated correctly or incorrectly - they are still floating point calculations. Bad joo-joo in comparison to integers.

What is screwed here is that transversal rate calculation is crippled. If what you say is true, then transversal rate is calculated from a single point in space compared to another single point in space, not the difference of facing.

That's a pretty major bug and I'll be looking at this tonight to verify.

Posted - 2007.09.28 20:02:00 - [180]

 

Originally by: Christari Zuborov

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I don't mean this as an insult, but you don't have a clue.

Floating point calculations are floating point calculations - we've already breached the no-no's in CPU conservation, so it makes no difference whether the transversal rate is calculated correctly or incorrectly - they are still floating point calculations. Bad joo-joo in comparison to integers.

What is screwed here is that transversal rate calculation is crippled. If what you say is true, then transversal rate is calculated from a single point in space compared to another single point in space, not the difference of facing.

That's a pretty major bug and I'll be looking at this tonight to verify.

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Fair enough. I assume since it'd be making the calculations based on actual transversal, it'd be pretty much a PITA for the server.

Oh, and it's fact. It's point to point. Direction of facing doesn't make jack difference, angle of travel towards the other ship does. It is NOT a bug.