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Slaatibartfast
Forty Two
Posted - 2007.09.28 17:56:00 - [151]
 


Sm0kE
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2007.09.28 18:03:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: Fswd
Yeah sure, you should be able to counter everything in your solopwnmobile. How about countering your solopwnmobile then?


LoL.. now this is damn funny.. me.. in a solo pwnmobile.. that will be the day.

Yes my ratting raven is pure pwnage as is my tissue paper stealth bomber.



A RATTING raven is not supposed to be able to beat a PVP fit HAC. Try fitting a dual web, sensor damp, armor tank Raven with cruise missiles. You'll own a nano ship. If they don't come within web range they'll never do enough dmg to kill you (everything but nano-ishtar). Cruise missiles will own a nano-ish though. Unless it's snakes + faction fit in which case he SHOULD own you on pure fact that he spent so goddamn much on the ship.

Illyria Ambri
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.28 18:06:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: Polinus
Originally by: Lisento Slaven
How long do Huginn's and Rapier's last when they're called primary by a nano gang anyways


Abot forever if you have a good gang and fields remote repairing.


Don't they have to slow down to be repped?

Illyria Ambri
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.28 18:09:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: Sm0kE
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: Fswd
Yeah sure, you should be able to counter everything in your solopwnmobile. How about countering your solopwnmobile then?


LoL.. now this is damn funny.. me.. in a solo pwnmobile.. that will be the day.

Yes my ratting raven is pure pwnage as is my tissue paper stealth bomber.



A RATTING raven is not supposed to be able to beat a PVP fit HAC. Try fitting a dual web, sensor damp, armor tank Raven with cruise missiles. You'll own a nano ship. If they don't come within web range they'll never do enough dmg to kill you (everything but nano-ishtar). Cruise missiles will own a nano-ish though. Unless it's snakes + faction fit in which case he SHOULD own you on pure fact that he spent so goddamn much on the ship.


Sarcasm is lost on you.

So by your reasoning.. wallet size makes you a winner. If you can spend more on your ship then the next guy, you deserve the instant win.
Damn I should go buy a few scammer frigates for a few hundred million.. surely if I spend 500mill on a kestral, by your reasoning, I should be able to own anyone cause I spent so much on it.

Irob Urore
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.09.28 18:10:00 - [155]
 

what i find funny is the ships you need to catch nanof#[email protected][email protected]&#( its just a hop skip jump into [email protected]*#[email protected]*&#, maybe we are all destined to fly minmatar?

Sm0kE
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2007.09.28 18:19:00 - [156]
 

Edited by: Sm0kE on 28/09/2007 18:20:03
Edited by: Sm0kE on 28/09/2007 18:19:22
Originally by: Illyria Ambri

You do know that when you orbit something.. their transversal is ALOT bigger then yours is.


Check out page 3

Transversal between a ship standing still and a ship orbiting will always be the same. Both ships turrets must move at the same speed in order to track the other ship.

Sm0kE
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2007.09.28 18:25:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Illyria Ambri

Sarcasm is lost on you.

So by your reasoning.. wallet size makes you a winner. If you can spend more on your ship then the next guy, you deserve the instant win.
Damn I should go buy a few scammer frigates for a few hundred million.. surely if I spend 500mill on a kestral, by your reasoning, I should be able to own anyone cause I spent so much on it.


After reading 5 pages of your intense feelings about this subject, why would I even sense an ounce of sarcasm from you?

And... Shocked Seriously? You are an idiot. I said a faction fit HAC with snake implants. Nothing about a scam you knob.

Tunak
Posted - 2007.09.28 18:25:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: Polinus
Originally by: Lisento Slaven
How long do Huginn's and Rapier's last when they're called primary by a nano gang anyways


Abot forever if you have a good gang and fields remote repairing.


Don't they have to slow down to be repped?


With a 100km+ webbing range? No.

Staying in both web and rep range is trivial. These ships don't rely on speed. to do their job.

Xanstin
Gallente
Posted - 2007.09.28 18:53:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Tunak

With a 100km+ webbing range? No.


Wtb the multiple officer RCUs and officer web required in order to make a single web reach over 100km.

Having said that, between the OPs complete lack of knowledge about speed setups, the way turret nanoships fly, the way turrets work, the way physics works whilst whining about innacurate physics, and a general cluelessness regarding game balance, we can safely call this another day in general discussion.

Sm0kE
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2007.09.28 18:55:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Xanstin

...between the OPs complete lack of knowledge about speed setups, the way turret nanoships fly, the way turrets work, the way physics works whilst whining about innacurate physics, and a general cluelessness regarding game balance, we can safely call this another day in general discussion.


Amen to that brotha.

Auron Shadowbane
Pelennor Swarm
G00DFELLAS
Posted - 2007.09.28 18:56:00 - [161]
 

this tread is epic FAIL.

even if the missile would detonate it's small explosion velocity would net you the following:

"Your Bane Torpedo hits XYU (Vagabond) for 0 Damage."

Christari Zuborov
Amarr
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:19:00 - [162]
 

Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 28/09/2007 19:32:22
Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 28/09/2007 19:31:11
Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 28/09/2007 19:29:47
Originally by: Sm0kE
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: Fswd
Yeah sure, you should be able to counter everything in your solopwnmobile. How about countering your solopwnmobile then?


LoL.. now this is damn funny.. me.. in a solo pwnmobile.. that will be the day.

Yes my ratting raven is pure pwnage as is my tissue paper stealth bomber.



A RATTING raven is not supposed to be able to beat a PVP fit HAC. Try fitting a dual web, sensor damp, armor tank Raven with cruise missiles. You'll own a nano ship. If they don't come within web range they'll never do enough dmg to kill you (everything but nano-ishtar). Cruise missiles will own a nano-ish though. Unless it's snakes + faction fit in which case he SHOULD own you on pure fact that he spent so goddamn much on the ship.



The amount of money spent should never be the measuring stick of how deadly a PvP ship is. It should be player experience, either in skill points or in skill at the keyboard.

As long as you don't mean that literally, I'm fine with that statement.


Originally by: Sm0kE
Edited by: Sm0kE on 28/09/2007 18:20:03
Edited by: Sm0kE on 28/09/2007 18:19:22
Originally by: Illyria Ambri

You do know that when you orbit something.. their transversal is ALOT bigger then yours is.


Check out page 3

Transversal between a ship standing still and a ship orbiting will always be the same. Both ships turrets must move at the same speed in order to track the other ship.



This is not right. The ship being orbited must move his guns at a higher arctangent/sec than the ship orbiting. If both ships are moving, the difference in speed and direction determines the rate of change the guns need to move.

If one ship is sitting still while the other orbits, the orbiting ships transversal is 0 deg/s, while the ship being orbited transversal rate depends on how quickly the orbiting ship orbits.

Sm0kE
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:23:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Christari Zuborov
Originally by: Sm0kE
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Originally by: Fswd
Yeah sure, you should be able to counter everything in your solopwnmobile. How about countering your solopwnmobile then?


LoL.. now this is damn funny.. me.. in a solo pwnmobile.. that will be the day.

Yes my ratting raven is pure pwnage as is my tissue paper stealth bomber.



A RATTING raven is not supposed to be able to beat a PVP fit HAC. Try fitting a dual web, sensor damp, armor tank Raven with cruise missiles. You'll own a nano ship. If they don't come within web range they'll never do enough dmg to kill you (everything but nano-ishtar). Cruise missiles will own a nano-ish though. Unless it's snakes + faction fit in which case he SHOULD own you on pure fact that he spent so goddamn much on the ship.



The amount of money spent should never be the measuring stick of how deadly a PvP ship is. It should be player experience, either in skill points or in skill at the keyboard.



Don't read into it so much. Of course you have to be a good pilot. Faction doesn't mean **** if you can't use it properly. Please don't state the obvious, you know what I was trying to say.

Marcathonas
Minmatar
Beastmode.
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:32:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Christari Zuborov
[
If one ship is sitting still while the other orbits, the orbiting ships transversal is 0 deg/s, while the ship being orbited transversal rate depends on how quickly the orbiting ship orbits.



In reality, yes.
In eve, no.

Christari Zuborov
Amarr
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:33:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Marcathonas
Originally by: Christari Zuborov
[
If one ship is sitting still while the other orbits, the orbiting ships transversal is 0 deg/s, while the ship being orbited transversal rate depends on how quickly the orbiting ship orbits.



In reality, yes.
In eve, no.


I don't understand... If this is true this is a monumental bug. Is there proof of this?

Sm0kE
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:34:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Christari Zuborov

If one ship is sitting still while the other orbits, the orbiting ships transversal is 0 deg/s, while the ship being orbited transversal rate depends on how quickly the orbiting ship orbits.



Go orbit an alliance mate who is sitting still and see what your transversal is. Then ask him what his is. They will be the same.

Sm0kE
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:36:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Christari Zuborov
Originally by: Marcathonas
Originally by: Christari Zuborov
[
If one ship is sitting still while the other orbits, the orbiting ships transversal is 0 deg/s, while the ship being orbited transversal rate depends on how quickly the orbiting ship orbits.



In reality, yes.
In eve, no.


I don't understand... If this is true this is a monumental bug. Is there proof of this?


Why is this a bug? It's... Even. That's why the nano-ishtar owns. Drones don't have to track at the host ship's speed. So you can orbit as fast as you want, while your drones hit for big damage.

Marcathonas
Minmatar
Beastmode.
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:38:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: Christari Zuborov


I don't understand... If this is true this is a monumental bug. Is there proof of this?


It's not a bug, it's
a) game balance. Unless you want nanoships to be able to track
b) much, much, much less stressful on the server.

It's always been this way and there's no reason for it to change.

Dreadpilot Roberts
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:44:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Slaatibartfast
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


zomg this is the best reply anyone could post :))

To the OP - stop whining and start playing EVE. U know that game in which u must actually use ur brain sometimes to win a fight, not go wtfpwn everyone in ur two bit t1 fitted caracal. Rolling Eyes

Illyria Ambri
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:48:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Dreadpilot Roberts
Originally by: Slaatibartfast
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


zomg this is the best reply anyone could post :))

To the OP - stop whining and start playing EVE. U know that game in which u must actually use ur brain sometimes to win a fight, not go wtfpwn everyone in ur two bit t1 fitted caracal. Rolling Eyes


We all know what making assumptions makes you and ume

Tunak
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:49:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Xanstin
Originally by: Tunak

With a 100km+ webbing range? No.


Wtb the multiple officer RCUs and officer web required in order to make a single web reach over 100km.

Having said that, between the OPs complete lack of knowledge about speed setups, the way turret nanoships fly, the way turrets work, the way physics works whilst whining about innacurate physics, and a general cluelessness regarding game balance, we can safely call this another day in general discussion.


This puts a smile on my face. Here we have clueless monkey ripping on someone for being a clueless monkey. You're a prime example of just another day in general disc.

Go read the ship description. 100km+ is with a standard run of the mill t1 webber.

caladron prime
Caldari
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:49:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Well as we all know the nerfbat has a few mods in its sights..


To use the dreaded real life example..
MiG-25 Foxbat 2,115 mph. The fastest jet fighter in the world.
F-15 Eagle 1,875 mph. Fastest United States jet fighter.
VS.
Russian Topol SS-27 (the worlds fastest missile) 10,800mph
US AIM-54 Phoenix missile In excess of 3,000 mph (4,800 kmph)


Discuss


neither of these RL missiles would be able to catch a RL space shuttle at escape velocity.


Xanstin
Gallente
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:52:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Tunak


This puts a smile on my face. Here we have clueless monkey ripping on someone for being a clueless monkey. You're a prime example of just another day in general disc.

Go read the ship description. 100km+ is with a standard run of the mill t1 webber.


Fly the damn ship. 40km web range with max skills, t1 web.

Here, I will poast maths.

60% x 5 = 300%
10km + 300% = 40km. GG. Domination with gang links gets to around 90.

Illyria Ambri
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:53:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: caladron prime
Originally by: Illyria Ambri
Well as we all know the nerfbat has a few mods in its sights..


To use the dreaded real life example..
MiG-25 Foxbat 2,115 mph. The fastest jet fighter in the world.
F-15 Eagle 1,875 mph. Fastest United States jet fighter.
VS.
Russian Topol SS-27 (the worlds fastest missile) 10,800mph
US AIM-54 Phoenix missile In excess of 3,000 mph (4,800 kmph)


Discuss


neither of these RL missiles would be able to catch a RL space shuttle at escape velocity.




and?

Marcathonas
Minmatar
Beastmode.
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:55:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Tunak
Go read the ship description. 100km+ is with a standard run of the mill t1 webber.


I fly huginns

You're an idiot. Xanstin's maths is correct, it's 40km with recon 5, 34 with recon 4, 83km with mindlinked maxed out claymore and a domi web.

Unless this is a metapost!

Sm0kE
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:57:00 - [176]
 

Edited by: Sm0kE on 28/09/2007 20:01:08
Edited by: Sm0kE on 28/09/2007 19:58:29
Originally by: Tunak

Go read the ship description. 100km+ is with a standard run of the mill t1 webber.


Umm not to stray from the topic, but have you ever flown a huginn? Where does 60% bonus per level @ 10km base = 100km?

At Recon lvl IV I get 34km on my webs.

Thanos Draicon
Wolf Pack Mentality
Blood and Steel
Posted - 2007.09.28 19:57:00 - [177]
 

So does anyone have any arguments to make that haven't already been countered?

Christari Zuborov
Amarr
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.09.28 20:00:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Marcathonas
Originally by: Christari Zuborov


I don't understand... If this is true this is a monumental bug. Is there proof of this?


It's not a bug, it's
a) game balance. Unless you want nanoships to be able to track
b) much, much, much less stressful on the server.

It's always been this way and there's no reason for it to change.


I don't mean this as an insult, but you don't have a clue.

Floating point calculations are floating point calculations - we've already breached the no-no's in CPU conservation, so it makes no difference whether the transversal rate is calculated correctly or incorrectly - they are still floating point calculations. Bad joo-joo in comparison to integers.

What is screwed here is that transversal rate calculation is crippled. If what you say is true, then transversal rate is calculated from a single point in space compared to another single point in space, not the difference of facing.

That's a pretty major bug and I'll be looking at this tonight to verify.

caladron prime
Caldari
Posted - 2007.09.28 20:02:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Illyria Ambri



Discuss


neither of these RL missiles would be able to catch a RL space shuttle at escape velocity.




and?


just that we should probably send a link to NASA for this thread so they can nerf shuttles.

Marcathonas
Minmatar
Beastmode.
Posted - 2007.09.28 20:02:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Christari Zuborov
I don't mean this as an insult, but you don't have a clue.

Floating point calculations are floating point calculations - we've already breached the no-no's in CPU conservation, so it makes no difference whether the transversal rate is calculated correctly or incorrectly - they are still floating point calculations. Bad joo-joo in comparison to integers.

What is screwed here is that transversal rate calculation is crippled. If what you say is true, then transversal rate is calculated from a single point in space compared to another single point in space, not the difference of facing.

That's a pretty major bug and I'll be looking at this tonight to verify.


Fair enough. I assume since it'd be making the calculations based on actual transversal, it'd be pretty much a PITA for the server.

Oh, and it's fact. It's point to point. Direction of facing doesn't make jack difference, angle of travel towards the other ship does. It is NOT a bug.


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