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Helison
Gallente
Times of Ancar
Posted - 2007.09.27 14:45:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: Helison on 27/09/2007 14:45:31
Originally by: Eddie Knight

No. That system is not to run EVE, it's to run Vista. Rev 3 will bring a new graphics engine (Trinity 2) that will use DX10. If you have Vista you will be able to see the new nice graphics.


Sorry, as far as I know, this is NOT true. Rev3 (Trinity 2) will NOT use DX10, but DX9. At least this was the last thing, which I heard from CCP.

About the patch-size: I would also like to see a DVD with the new client. Interesting will be testing the client on Sisi, when we might have to DL it several times... ugh

edit: Beaten by Wrangler....

Brutor Shaun
Posted - 2007.09.27 14:46:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Our current best estimate is that the new client will between 1.1 and 1.3 GB. But that's an estimate.


I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this, but what about people who have download caps on their ISP?

I'm uncapped myself, but I know some ISPs have monthly, and sometimes daily, download caps.

Bit of a bummer if you have a 1GB cap, when the 'patch' will be larger than that.


Amy Tr'ader
Posted - 2007.09.27 14:48:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Khan Soriano
Originally by: Kappas.
Originally by: Khan Soriano
Hosting a torrent costs CCP exactly the same as hosting a normal file


How did you come to this conclusion when a torrent may be a few kilobytes and a client 1.2gb?

200,000+ people downloading 1.2gbs has got to cost a little bit in bandwidth Razz


Very simple:

Hosting a torrent means that CCP would provide one 'seed' that has the whole patch/new client. Its speed (seeds) would be limited to bandwidth available to host the file normally.



Yeah, but wouldn't CCP just need to seed to a fraction of the userbase before everyone could download it quickly?

To the guy that says torrents are slower than sites: Imagine 200,000 people downloading the same file from 1 site - your transfer rate will be crap.
The benefit of torrents is that the more users that download it, the faster the speed you get it at. I've downloaded torrents (like Linux torrents) that have exceeded 1.3mb/s, never had more than half that from a normal http download.

Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
Posted - 2007.09.27 14:50:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Brutor Shaun
I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this, but what about people who have download caps on their ISP?



We will point and laugh at them.

Nicho Void
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.09.27 14:52:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Brutor Shaun
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Our current best estimate is that the new client will between 1.1 and 1.3 GB. But that's an estimate.


I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this, but what about people who have download caps on their ISP?

I'm uncapped myself, but I know some ISPs have monthly, and sometimes daily, download caps.

Bit of a bummer if you have a 1GB cap, when the 'patch' will be larger than that.




I do sincerely hope that you aren't paying for that service.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2007.09.27 14:54:00 - [66]
 

If you seriously consider hosting a torrent, look into rTorrent, (http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/). I wrote it specifically for high-speed connections, and is well known for being a fast seeding client. ;)

Brutor Shaun
Posted - 2007.09.27 14:59:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Nicho Void
Originally by: Brutor Shaun
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Our current best estimate is that the new client will between 1.1 and 1.3 GB. But that's an estimate.


I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this, but what about people who have download caps on their ISP?

I'm uncapped myself, but I know some ISPs have monthly, and sometimes daily, download caps.

Bit of a bummer if you have a 1GB cap, when the 'patch' will be larger than that.




I do sincerely hope that you aren't paying for that service.


A lot of UK based ISPs treat 1GB a day as the limit under their 'fair usage' policies, but hide it in their small print. Even unlimited ISPs are known to throttle transfer rates if you kick the pants out of it.


Snake Jankins
Minmatar
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
Posted - 2007.09.27 15:04:00 - [68]
 

Hmm, they could put it a few days earlier on some high-speed servers, offer an offical torrent download also and when it goes life, they just offer a patch towards that version with the latest changes.

Then things should go quite smooth.

Well, if they release a dvd version right in time, they are probably doing it that way anyway.

Fergus Runkle
Minmatar
Truth and Reconciliation Council
Posted - 2007.09.27 15:13:00 - [69]
 

What about those of us that don't have broadband and can't get it (due to location)

Even 1gig over dial up will be glacial especially in the UK where ISP's kick you after 2, 4 or 6 hours online.

Avery Fatwallet
Posted - 2007.09.27 15:13:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Morn Judith
Originally by: The Snowman

I will eat my thorax if CCP release a torrent Rolling Eyes


Whoa! You can do that? You must be pretty darned flexible! No need for a girlfriend, then, right?

im pretty sure the internets dont need mah reply here, but well...
i think thorax means throat.

so basically... well... youre "eating" it already

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.09.27 15:42:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Fink Angel
Originally by: Steini OFSI
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
When you whine as much as some people, you have to try pretty hard for new topics. So you tend to get ahead of yourself.


I wonder how long OP will post about her concerns about Joves and how they should be introduced to the game and how they could ruin everything if not done how she envisioned.


The Jove are like Keyser Soze or The Bogey Man. They are only there to threaten bad Amarr children with, if they don't behave.


The Blood Raiders position has just been usurped.

Aceoil
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2007.09.27 15:56:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Aceoil on 27/09/2007 15:57:08
Edited by: Aceoil on 27/09/2007 15:56:28
I really like the idea of releasing a hard copy DVD of eve.

I forget how much eve costs at the beginning? 15 bucks?
Having hard copyies in stores will encourage people to just pickup that 15 dollar game and try it out.

Or even giving out free DVD's of the trial version. And if they likey they can setup an account. Which would spur growth in eve like never before. The amount of people online, the amount of people to shoot and game with would double. Very HappyVery Happy

ghosttr
Amarr
ARK-CORP
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.09.27 16:04:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Eddie Knight
Originally by: HandSoLow
...Why are you talking about the filesize and torrents already? When does RIII get released and does this mean I cant play EVE anymore on my 1.7GHz Processor/256MB ATI GFX card? [crappy laptop]

I heard that I will need a PCI-E GFX card, a 2Ghz+ Processor and Vista [dx10 support] in order to play EVE RIII...this will affect the Linux users big time!



No. That system is not to run EVE, it's to run Vista. Rev 3 will bring a new graphics engine (Trinity 2) that will use DX10. If you have Vista you will be able to see the new nice graphics. However you will also have the choice to use the actual graphics engine so you have nothing to worry about. If you can play EVE now, you will be able to play Rev 3 too.

I for one don't plan to get Vista any time soon, simply because the performance under Vista is really bad. I have decent hardware and I don't plan to use most of my PC's power just to run the OS.

Welcome to EVE and fly safe.


That is wrong, CCP has stated many times that the new client is DX9, let me repeat it again just so there is no confusion, rev3 will be DX9. The plan to have DX10 in there somewhere along the way, but not with release. So no DX10 with release of rev3 mmmk?

Kazuma Saruwatari
Posted - 2007.09.27 16:37:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Kazuma Saruwatari on 27/09/2007 16:37:47
Originally by: Fink Angel
The main problem I can see with a torrent is that it will let people harvest the IP addresses of other Eve players and that gives a nice juicy target for hackers etc. to probe.


Meta-gaming much?Rolling Eyes

EDIT: I just realized I sitll had access to my old ISP. PerfectVery Happy

Cortei
Posted - 2007.09.27 16:50:00 - [75]
 

Not meaning to bring WOW into this, but when Blizz released the $3 buck trial version DVD in the states their player base grew 15% in 6 months, with a slightly higher than was normal growth rate after that.

Now, I think the free client download CCP offers online is much better. I also know a lot of WOW players who bought the 3 buck DVD because it was a single disc that kept relatively up to date with patches. It might be worthwhile for EVE to consider a DVD release for the graphics upgrade.

If it came out aloung with the patch I'd buy the DVD at my local store. If it came out a week later, I'd just download the updated client again and burn it to a DVD. Much like how I have the Rev II client on CD.

Mad Axe
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.09.27 16:55:00 - [76]
 

Well i wuld recomend, if its not too much of a problem that the bulk of the data is released a weak or a cuple days before the acual server pach, later we can download another partial smaller if posibile to make the file be "whole" so we can pach, (for the people that have the first file).

That way people with slower internet connections can be sure to have a smooth transition.


CCP Explorer

Posted - 2007.09.27 17:29:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Amy Tr'ader
Imagine 200,000 people downloading the same file from 1 site - your transfer rate will be crap.

All EVE client installs and patches are currently being delivered through Limelight Networks' CDN. They are not coming from a single server or location.

Jason Marshall
Gallente
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
Posted - 2007.09.27 17:47:00 - [78]
 

I think the ISPs download cap could be a real issue for some. how would you get around it?

Valrandir
Gallente
Distant Thunder
Perihelion Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.27 17:52:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Where did you hear it was 2GB?

To be fair, it was the "Trinity II" upgrade that's clocking 2+ GB, which might (or might not) be merged into the Rev 3.0 "patch", or be released separately.
It probably WILL be released separately, since CCP claims they will maintain compatibility with the old Trinity I engine in Rev 3.0 too.
Source ? Some video interview from a month ago.

Originally by: Avon
I'm pretty sure CCP have used "official" torrent distribution in the past, although I don't remember exactly when.

I'm pretty sure that they never did it.
I know, I've looked for it.
Never found any official torrent(s) of EVE.
Please, try to find any reference to them ever using it, would love to hear that they aren't averse to the idea.


You may be to new to know, but they have done it for the Shiva (Exodus) release.

cdenera
Posted - 2007.09.27 17:59:00 - [80]
 

Can some one please point me in the direction to where CCP have said the patch / new client will be a download of 2 GiG as I cant find it...Embarassed

gordon861
Minmatar
PROGENITOR CORPORATION
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.09.27 18:41:00 - [81]
 

It might be an idea to release a torrent file for the new client and then hold off going live with it for a week to allow everyone to actually get the client before you need it.

Seeing EyeDog
Posted - 2007.09.27 18:47:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Seeing EyeDog on 27/09/2007 18:47:21

Dakisha
The NomNomNom
Posted - 2007.09.27 18:51:00 - [83]
 

I would gladly seed that from my 100Mbps connection.

Castelo Branco
Caldari
Forcas armadas
Moon Warriors
Posted - 2007.09.27 19:14:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
All EVE client installs and patches are currently being delivered through Limelight Networks' CDN. They are not coming from a single server or location.



OH God! There is not a South America CDN server. Ca you just get some deliver company at South America? Please?

Drizit
Amarr
Posted - 2007.09.27 19:28:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Drizit on 27/09/2007 19:35:27

/me agrees with OP. It would also take the load off the hosting server(s).

Originally by: Castelo Branco
Originally by: CCP Explorer
All EVE client installs and patches are currently being delivered through Limelight Networks' CDN. They are not coming from a single server or location.



OH God! There is not a South America CDN server. Ca you just get some deliver company at South America? Please?

Nor is there and in Russia or the sattelite states, Australia, Southern Asia, Africa etc... You are not alone.

BTW, I will be in Southern Asia when this launches with a slow broadband or maybe even only a dial-up connection.

Your problem is?

Brutor Shaun
Posted - 2007.09.27 19:42:00 - [86]
 

If you all want to get some practice downloads done, Relic have just released a 1.7GB patch for Company of Heroes.

What did we do before broadband?


TerrorWOLF
PURE Legion
Pure.
Posted - 2007.09.27 20:58:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Brutor Shaun
If you all want to get some practice downloads done, Relic have just released a 1.7GB patch for Company of Heroes.

What did we do before broadband?




Cryed if it was bigger the 1MB.

Moni Toimikone
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.09.27 21:08:00 - [88]
 

*Points and laughs at the people with up/dl limits

Get a real connection Twisted Evil

Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.09.27 21:18:00 - [89]
 

EVE is lucky to have a relatively "small" playerbase (yes, even with 200,000 and not counting trials). It's still feasible to run a centralized patch distribution even for large files, by using networked local servers. I have never had problems retrieving patches before - granted, the neraby limelight server is, oh, around 20 km away from my house Laughing

Blizzard is progressively using BitTorrent because of their ridiculously high playerbase. If you take a few million people, you can overload *any* centralized system, because you exceed the physical capablities of the network backbone's hardware (such as switches, routers and even the cables). This is what forces a decentralized approach.

That said, BitTorrent is cool stuff, and certainly does save the releasing party serious bandwidth, albeit at the cost of being less elegant than an auto-downloading auto-patcher... all in all, if CCP decided to get into torrent distribution, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Hilabana
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.09.27 21:39:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Well, the title says it all.
Can we please, pretty please, with sugar on top ALSO have it as an OFFICIAL torrent download ?
You know, when it comes out.

The full client too Wink

I'd really hate to TRY to download 2+ GB and keep failing or getting a corrupted download.
I know I had big issues a long time ago even with the <700 MB client installer (I only ever downloaded it succesfully ONCE, more than a year ago, never again), I shudder to think of the 2+ GB one.


Get a better ISP and stop lagging the game for us !
it is people that have such old out dated bandwith that chokes eve when it trys ti sink you with us faster players.
Cool


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