Posted - 2007.09.27 14:45:00 - [61]

 

Edited by: Helison on 27/09/2007 14:45:31

Originally by: Eddie Knight

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No. That system is not to run EVE, it's to run Vista. Rev 3 will bring a new graphics engine (Trinity 2) that will use DX10. If you have Vista you will be able to see the new nice graphics.

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Sorry, as far as I know, this is NOT true. Rev3 (Trinity 2) will NOT use DX10, but DX9. At least this was the last thing, which I heard from CCP.

About the patch-size: I would also like to see a DVD with the new client. Interesting will be testing the client on Sisi, when we might have to DL it several times...

edit: Beaten by Wrangler....

Posted - 2007.09.27 14:48:00 - [63]

 

Originally by: Khan Soriano

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Originally by: Kappas.

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Originally by: Khan Soriano

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Hosting a torrent costs CCP exactly the same as hosting a normal file

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How did you come to this conclusion when a torrent may be a few kilobytes and a client 1.2gb?

200,000+ people downloading 1.2gbs has got to cost a little bit in bandwidth

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Very simple:

Hosting a torrent means that CCP would provide one 'seed' that has the whole patch/new client. Its speed (seeds) would be limited to bandwidth available to host the file normally.

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Yeah, but wouldn't CCP just need to seed to a fraction of the userbase before everyone could download it quickly?

To the guy that says torrents are slower than sites: Imagine 200,000 people downloading the same file from 1 site - your transfer rate will be crap.
The benefit of torrents is that the more users that download it, the faster the speed you get it at. I've downloaded torrents (like Linux torrents) that have exceeded 1.3mb/s, never had more than half that from a normal http download.

Posted - 2007.09.27 14:52:00 - [65]

 

Originally by: Brutor Shaun

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Our current best estimate is that the new client will between 1.1 and 1.3 GB. But that's an estimate.

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I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this, but what about people who have download caps on their ISP?

I'm uncapped myself, but I know some ISPs have monthly, and sometimes daily, download caps.

Bit of a bummer if you have a 1GB cap, when the 'patch' will be larger than that.

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I do sincerely hope that you aren't paying for that service.

Posted - 2007.09.27 14:59:00 - [67]

 

Originally by: Nicho Void

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Originally by: Brutor Shaun

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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Our current best estimate is that the new client will between 1.1 and 1.3 GB. But that's an estimate.

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I'm surprised nobody else has mentioned this, but what about people who have download caps on their ISP?

I'm uncapped myself, but I know some ISPs have monthly, and sometimes daily, download caps.

Bit of a bummer if you have a 1GB cap, when the 'patch' will be larger than that.

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I do sincerely hope that you aren't paying for that service.

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A lot of UK based ISPs treat 1GB a day as the limit under their 'fair usage' policies, but hide it in their small print. Even unlimited ISPs are known to throttle transfer rates if you kick the pants out of it.

Posted - 2007.09.27 15:13:00 - [69]

 

What about those of us that don't have broadband and can't get it (due to location)

Even 1gig over dial up will be glacial especially in the UK where ISP's kick you after 2, 4 or 6 hours online.

Posted - 2007.09.27 15:42:00 - [71]

 

Originally by: Fink Angel

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Originally by: Steini OFSI

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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When you whine as much as some people, you have to try pretty hard for new topics. So you tend to get ahead of yourself.

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I wonder how long OP will post about her concerns about Joves and how they should be introduced to the game and how they could ruin everything if not done how she envisioned.

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The Jove are like Keyser Soze or The Bogey Man. They are only there to threaten bad Amarr children with, if they don't behave.

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The Blood Raiders position has just been usurped.

Posted - 2007.09.27 16:04:00 - [73]

 

Originally by: Eddie Knight

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Originally by: HandSoLow

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...Why are you talking about the filesize and torrents already? When does RIII get released and does this mean I cant play EVE anymore on my 1.7GHz Processor/256MB ATI GFX card? [crappy laptop]

I heard that I will need a PCI-E GFX card, a 2Ghz+ Processor and Vista [dx10 support] in order to play EVE RIII...this will affect the Linux users big time!

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No. That system is not to run EVE, it's to run Vista. Rev 3 will bring a new graphics engine (Trinity 2) that will use DX10. If you have Vista you will be able to see the new nice graphics. However you will also have the choice to use the actual graphics engine so you have nothing to worry about. If you can play EVE now, you will be able to play Rev 3 too.

I for one don't plan to get Vista any time soon, simply because the performance under Vista is really bad. I have decent hardware and I don't plan to use most of my PC's power just to run the OS.

Welcome to EVE and fly safe.

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That is wrong, CCP has stated many times that the new client is DX9, let me repeat it again just so there is no confusion, rev3 will be DX9. The plan to have DX10 in there somewhere along the way, but not with release. So no DX10 with release of rev3 mmmk?

Posted - 2007.09.27 16:50:00 - [75]

 

Not meaning to bring WOW into this, but when Blizz released the $3 buck trial version DVD in the states their player base grew 15% in 6 months, with a slightly higher than was normal growth rate after that.

Now, I think the free client download CCP offers online is much better. I also know a lot of WOW players who bought the 3 buck DVD because it was a single disc that kept relatively up to date with patches. It might be worthwhile for EVE to consider a DVD release for the graphics upgrade.

If it came out aloung with the patch I'd buy the DVD at my local store. If it came out a week later, I'd just download the updated client again and burn it to a DVD. Much like how I have the Rev II client on CD.

Posted - 2007.09.27 17:52:00 - [79]

 

Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: FireFoxx80

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Where did you hear it was 2GB?

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To be fair, it was the "Trinity II" upgrade that's clocking 2+ GB, which might (or might not) be merged into the Rev 3.0 "patch", or be released separately.
It probably WILL be released separately, since CCP claims they will maintain compatibility with the old Trinity I engine in Rev 3.0 too.
Source ? Some video interview from a month ago.

Originally by: Avon

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I'm pretty sure CCP have used "official" torrent distribution in the past, although I don't remember exactly when.

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I'm pretty sure that they never did it.
I know, I've looked for it.
Never found any official torrent(s) of EVE.
Please, try to find any reference to them ever using it, would love to hear that they aren't averse to the idea.

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You may be to new to know, but they have done it for the Shiva (Exodus) release.

Posted - 2007.09.27 18:41:00 - [81]

 

It might be an idea to release a torrent file for the new client and then hold off going live with it for a week to allow everyone to actually get the client before you need it.

Posted - 2007.09.27 18:51:00 - [83]

 

I would gladly seed that from my 100Mbps connection.

Posted - 2007.09.27 19:28:00 - [85]

 

Edited by: Drizit on 27/09/2007 19:35:27

/me agrees with OP. It would also take the load off the hosting server(s).

Originally by: Castelo Branco

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Originally by: CCP Explorer

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All EVE client installs and patches are currently being delivered through Limelight Networks' CDN. They are not coming from a single server or location.

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OH God! There is not a South America CDN server. Ca you just get some deliver company at South America? Please?

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Nor is there and in Russia or the sattelite states, Australia, Southern Asia, Africa etc... You are not alone.

BTW, I will be in Southern Asia when this launches with a slow broadband or maybe even only a dial-up connection.

Your problem is?

Posted - 2007.09.27 20:58:00 - [87]

 

Originally by: Brutor Shaun

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If you all want to get some practice downloads done, Relic have just released a 1.7GB patch for Company of Heroes.

What did we do before broadband?

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Cryed if it was bigger the 1MB.

Posted - 2007.09.27 21:18:00 - [89]

 

EVE is lucky to have a relatively "small" playerbase (yes, even with 200,000 and not counting trials). It's still feasible to run a centralized patch distribution even for large files, by using networked local servers. I have never had problems retrieving patches before - granted, the neraby limelight server is, oh, around 20 km away from my house

Blizzard is progressively using BitTorrent because of their ridiculously high playerbase. If you take a few million people, you can overload *any* centralized system, because you exceed the physical capablities of the network backbone's hardware (such as switches, routers and even the cables). This is what forces a decentralized approach.

That said, BitTorrent is cool stuff, and certainly does save the releasing party serious bandwidth, albeit at the cost of being less elegant than an auto-downloading auto-patcher... all in all, if CCP decided to get into torrent distribution, I wouldn't have a problem with it.