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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
Posted - 2007.09.21 21:02:00 - [1]
 

The Department for Investigation of the Safety at Work of Freedom Resources (DISWFR) uncovered the following alarmingly conditions for Amarr Customs employess flying on an Apocalypse battleship. Further analysis revealed that those outrageous situations are quite common on all battleships of all races:

All battleships (and not only battleships) are constructed in a way that collisions with heavy objects in space should be avoided by all means. If a battleship comes too close to a collidable object the propulsion engines immediately start to align the ship in a new direction to keep distance to the object. This is done by a rotation of the ship around its center of mass. (It was observed at first at an Amarr Customs Apocalypse flying around a stargate. In this case we cannot exclude that the rotation was done by manual emergency control of the Amarr pilot who was waked up by the screeching noise of his ship scratching at the stargate while he was praying to any weird entity. But this is only a guess, the employees of DISWFR are not able to enter an Amarrian ship because they cannot bear the strong smell of joss sticks.)

A calculation of the physical processes on board of this ship resulted in the following facts:

- The Apocalypse has an unpackaged volume of 1150000 cbm. If the ship were a cube it would have a side length of around 105 m. Closer inspection showed that the Apocalyse is not cubiform but has more a length of 250 m and a height and width somewhere between 50 m and 75 m.

- The ship rotates in 5 sec around its center of mass.

- Bow and stern of the ship while rotating have therefore a velocity of v = 2*Pi*125m/5sec = 157m/sec

- This leads to a centrifugal acceleration of a = v*v/r = 157*157/125 m/(sec*sec) = 197 m/(sec*sec) = 19 g

- The typical Amarrian Customs officer has a weight (at rest) of 75 kg. If he has the bad luck to work at the bow or stern of his rotating ship he will experience a weight of 1425 kg.

Thus the Department for Investigation of the Safety at Work of Freedom Resources (DISWFR) concludes with the following warning and recommendation:

A weight of almost one and a half tons is not good for a human body, even not for an Amarrian body and the body will probably not work properly anymore after a battleship rotation. Either do not board a battleship at all or if you can't overcome the temptation keep always in a close distance to the center of the ship (the kitchen or the ping-pong room).

Taelech
Caldari
Caldari Design and Cryogenics
Posted - 2007.09.21 21:10:00 - [2]
 

This is the prime reason we fly in Pods filled with Acceleration gel.

fejus
Posted - 2007.09.21 21:15:00 - [3]
 

Think of the poor crews! Bouncing around inside my Raven every time I WTZ and hit a stargate.

Corwain
Posted - 2007.09.21 21:16:00 - [4]
 

If I weren't a dastardly pod pilot who cares nothing for the cares of the lower life forms serving me on my pod-fitted ship, and if I were a devotee of the Amarrian religion, I would thank the Amarrian god for the inertial dampeners my Battleship is equipped with.

As is I think I may disable them in the future just to laugh at the splattered bodies of my crew before hiring a new crew for a pittance.

Sundownr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.09.21 21:18:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Taelech
This is the prime reason we fly in Pods filled with Acceleration gel.


Yes, we as podpilots are safe/safer, but surely you realize that our ships are full of crewmen/women not so fortunate in the protections afforded them when an Apoc goes a-spinning on it's axis?

Not too sure where folks got the idea that every ship you pass is crewed by 1 solitary figure that performs the mass of duties required to operate these state of the art star-spanning ships.


::

Thanos Draicon
Wolf Pack Mentality
Blood and Steel
Posted - 2007.09.21 21:29:00 - [6]
 

Could you imagine what the inside of a battleship would look like if the inertial dampeners failed during combat?
Shocked

Taelech
Caldari
Caldari Design and Cryogenics
Posted - 2007.09.21 21:39:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Sundownr
Originally by: Taelech
This is the prime reason we fly in Pods filled with Acceleration gel.


Yes, we as podpilots are safe/safer, but surely you realize that our ships are full of crewmen/women not so fortunate in the protections afforded them when an Apoc goes a-spinning on it's axis?

Not too sure where folks got the idea that every ship you pass is crewed by 1 solitary figure that performs the mass of duties required to operate these state of the art star-spanning ships.


::


/me picks up tourists, exotic dancers and slaves, undocks... docks, delivers chunky salsa for 200% profit!Razz


dragonssbane
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2007.09.21 21:39:00 - [8]
 

Now are these studies based on ant type of external forces on the craft..ie gravity?
And has Amarr lagged so far behind in putting in anything that compensates for artificial gravity during a combat maneuver. Because if you are at zero gravity and make 5 second turn you would never really be a ware of it.

If they are at battle stations...and his dumb ass is excusing him self to get a drink of water during a fire fight...he deserves to die.

Akkarin Pagan
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.09.21 21:42:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Could you imagine what the inside of a battleship would look like if the inertial dampeners failed during combat?
Shocked


Probably like something out of some of the Doom 3 levels. Blood up the walls, and skeletons scattered about the floor.

/me looks for the turn off acceleration damping button.

Akkarin

Thanos Draicon
Wolf Pack Mentality
Blood and Steel
Posted - 2007.09.21 21:46:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Akkarin Pagan
Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Could you imagine what the inside of a battleship would look like if the inertial dampeners failed during combat?
Shocked


Probably like something out of some of the Doom 3 levels. Blood up the walls, and skeletons scattered about the floor.

/me looks for the turn off acceleration damping button.

Akkarin


I want to hack into NPCs and turn off their inertia dampeners, then hit them with a nanophoon. Twisted Evil

Twin blade
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.09.21 22:12:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Could you imagine what the inside of a battleship would look like if the inertial dampeners failed during combat?
Shocked


lol i think it would be worse when they slow down form warp speed.

But the human body can take that sort of force for a real real real short time only maybe 1-2 at most befor the person of killed or suffer's alot of damage to his inside's that are now in his feet/head.

ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
Posted - 2007.09.21 22:17:00 - [12]
 

Bit of a long build up, but I did rofl when the punch line came

Arana Tellen
Gallente
Clan Death Corps
Posted - 2007.09.21 22:37:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Arana Tellen on 21/09/2007 22:37:30
Originally by: Kolmogorow
The Department for Investigation of the Safety at Work of Freedom Resources (DISWFR) uncovered the following alarmingly conditions for Amarr Customs employess flying on an Apocalypse battleship. Further analysis revealed that those outrageous situations are quite common on all battleships of all races:

All battleships (and not only battleships) are constructed in a way that collisions with heavy objects in space should be avoided by all means. If a battleship comes too close to a collidable object the propulsion engines immediately start to align the ship in a new direction to keep distance to the object. This is done by a rotation of the ship around its center of mass. (It was observed at first at an Amarr Customs Apocalypse flying around a stargate. In this case we cannot exclude that the rotation was done by manual emergency control of the Amarr pilot who was waked up by the screeching noise of his ship scratching at the stargate while he was praying to any weird entity. But this is only a guess, the employees of DISWFR are not able to enter an Amarrian ship because they cannot bear the strong smell of joss sticks.)

A calculation of the physical processes on board of this ship resulted in the following facts:

- The Apocalypse has an unpackaged volume of 1150000 cbm. If the ship were a cube it would have a side length of around 105 m. Closer inspection showed that the Apocalyse is not cubiform but has more a length of 250 m and a height and width somewhere between 50 m and 75 m.

- The ship rotates in 5 sec around its center of mass.

- Bow and stern of the ship while rotating have therefore a velocity of v = 2*Pi*125m/5sec = 157m/sec

- This leads to a centrifugal acceleration of a = v*v/r = 157*157/125 m/(sec*sec) = 197 m/(sec*sec) = 19 g

- The typical Amarrian Customs officer has a weight (at rest) of 75 kg. If he has the bad luck to work at the bow or stern of his rotating ship he will experience a weight of 1425 kg.

Thus the Department for Investigation of the Safety at Work of Freedom Resources (DISWFR) concludes with the following warning and recommendation:

A weight of almost one and a half tons is not good for a human body, even not for an Amarrian body and the body will probably not work properly anymore after a battleship rotation. Either do not board a battleship at all or if you can't overcome the temptation keep always in a close distance to the center of the ship (the kitchen or the ping-pong room).



The image you see is not a real representation of what is going on. Ships are actually taking evasive manoevers from weapons fire and the weapons are not hitting, likewise you dont actually hit the ship/turn that fast. Wink

Then again all ships have inertial stabalisers.

Mari Onette
Amarr
Equilibrium.
Posted - 2007.09.21 22:52:00 - [14]
 

My legal department has advised me that the following sticker should be posted prominently on all Amarrian vessels.

WARNING: Operation of interstellar vessels should not be attempted without properly functioning inertial dampers. Disabling or tampering with inertial dampers May be hazardous to your health.

Ooyama
Caldari
Omega-Fleet
Motivated and Determined
Posted - 2007.09.21 23:04:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Ooyama on 21/09/2007 23:04:53
Ooops *Ooyama switches the stabs back on*,, i DID wonder why my crew kept croaking every time i WTZ Embarassed.


Ooyama.


(Could u possibly give me the calculations on a Scorp?).

Akkarin Pagan
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.09.21 23:07:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Twin blade
Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Could you imagine what the inside of a battleship would look like if the inertial dampeners failed during combat?
Shocked


lol i think it would be worse when they slow down form warp speed.

But the human body can take that sort of force for a real real real short time only maybe 1-2 at most befor the person of killed or suffer's alot of damage to his inside's that are now in his feet/head.


Yeah, iirc Ralph Schumacher took 98g (over milliseconds) when he lost control of his Formula 1 car and stacked the back end into the wall at Indianapolis a couple of years back. He managed to fracture a couple of bones and give himself a concussion. The guy who was on the rocket sled experiment took about 200gs of acceleration when they stacked him into the water butts. Apparently he couldn't see for about a month due to having detached his retinas (or something else in his eyes). He still holds the record for the highest acceleration a human has endured and survived Shocked.

Of course those 2 decelerations were over tiny fractions of a second. The human body can't withstand 9 g (F.ex) for extended periods (the rating of most combat airframes), hence the need for fighter pilots to wear G suits.

Akkarin

Berrik Radhok
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.09.21 23:27:00 - [17]
 

You forgot to factor in the large layer of fat cushioning and protecting the vital organs of most pod pilots.

Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
Posted - 2007.09.21 23:34:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Arana Tellen
Then again all ships have inertial stabalisers.


Don't activate the stabilizers when the ship starts to rotate! The Inertia Stabilizer works like a mass reduction of the ship thus the transversal acceleration will increase before the ship reaches the maximum constant angular velocity. This higher acceleration in addition to the radial centrifugal acceleration leads to a possible very asymetric displacement of the matter inside the body (liver in the left ear and similar nasty things we don't want to imagine).

Lowanaera
Amarr
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2007.09.22 03:27:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: dragonssbane
Because if you are at zero gravity and make 5 second turn you would never really be a ware of it.


Gravity is a force determined by the interaction of two bodies of mass. Earth-normal gravity is 9.8m/s of acceleration or 1G. What is being calculated is a force caused by the acceleration of a body of mass by a force acting in the opposite direction (thrust from the ship's engines + Newton's Third Law). The fact that you are in a zero-g environment is meaningless, that you don't have a gravitational force acting on you doesn't somehow nullify this other force. You are most certainly aware of a 19G acceleration (or would be if you weren't paste embedded in a bulkhead).

Drizit
Amarr
Posted - 2007.09.22 04:08:00 - [20]
 

Always wondered why the crew keeps painting the bulkheads red and then jump ship.

Kylania
Gallente
Phoenix Industries
Sylph Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.22 04:38:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kolmogorow
- This leads to a centrifugal acceleration of a = v*v/r = 157*157/125 m/(sec*sec) = 197 m/(sec*sec) = 19 g


Centrifugal Force! Very Happy

Hilarius post! Thanks for the laughs Kolmogorow!

Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.09.22 06:19:00 - [22]
 

WTB Gravity-based anti-crew weaponry (your crew, not mine).

Arvald
Caldari
Drunken Space Irish
Posted - 2007.09.22 06:31:00 - [23]
 

ow my brain is hurted after reading that.

Bull Frog
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2007.09.22 06:50:00 - [24]
 

No crew on my ship, I downsized and replaced them all with nanobots, I solved the problem of stowaways that way as well, nanobots don't need to breath so I dont need to seal hull breaches, in the name of god. I fly a Holy ship.

Anna Goeldi
Posted - 2007.09.22 07:01:00 - [25]
 

hahaha the title alone had me laughing my face off :D

Tanaka Atsuko
Gallente
4 chan
Posted - 2007.09.22 08:46:00 - [26]
 

its called inter inertal stabalization nub and artifical gravity thats how thy avoid that problem

Mithfindel
Amarr
Ordo Crucis Argenteus
Posted - 2007.09.22 09:34:00 - [27]
 

And then again, as the volumes and masses are a bit off on ingame descriptions, wasn't the Apocalypse something like a kilometer long? (though on its case, it's missing chunks in the middle, so that corrects parts of the volume...)

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2007.09.22 11:12:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Akkarin Pagan
Originally by: Twin blade
Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Could you imagine what the inside of a battleship would look like if the inertial dampeners failed during combat?
Shocked


lol i think it would be worse when they slow down form warp speed.

But the human body can take that sort of force for a real real real short time only maybe 1-2 at most befor the person of killed or suffer's alot of damage to his inside's that are now in his feet/head.


Yeah, iirc Ralph Schumacher took 98g (over milliseconds) when he lost control of his Formula 1 car and stacked the back end into the wall at Indianapolis a couple of years back. He managed to fracture a couple of bones and give himself a concussion. The guy who was on the rocket sled experiment took about 200gs of acceleration when they stacked him into the water butts. Apparently he couldn't see for about a month due to having detached his retinas (or something else in his eyes). He still holds the record for the highest acceleration a human has endured and survived Shocked.

Of course those 2 decelerations were over tiny fractions of a second. The human body can't withstand 9 g (F.ex) for extended periods (the rating of most combat airframes), hence the need for fighter pilots to wear G suits.

Akkarin



Actually, for short time frames, the third position derivative is used as well (jerk), and I hear they've been using the 4th and 5th as well, since plain old acceleration doesn't really tell you everything.

Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2007.09.22 11:18:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Akkarin Pagan


Yeah, iirc Ralph Schumacher took 98g (over milliseconds) when he lost control of his Formula 1 car and stacked the back end into the wall at Indianapolis a couple of years back. He managed to fracture a couple of bones and give himself a concussion. The guy who was on the rocket sled experiment took about 200gs of acceleration when they stacked him into the water butts. Apparently he couldn't see for about a month due to having detached his retinas (or something else in his eyes). He still holds the record for the highest acceleration a human has endured and survived Shocked.



Those are mere exaggerated estimates and calculated from the movements of fixed points in the car / rocket sled. Due to the bodies being well padded (seats, deforming car etc.), the real deceleration forces were much lower (or they would simply have gone *splat* ;-)).


Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2007.09.22 11:25:00 - [30]
 

come over to Caldari Technology! we have inertial compensators!


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