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scrapironfish
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.09.18 18:26:00 - [1]
 

Ok something has to be done about jita. Mayb you can make another station with a very similar market a few jumps away from jita.

jita moon 4 caldari navy assembly plant is out of control.

1) There are always 20 people that have un docked but haven't gone anywhere. Causing traffic jams and bumping.

2) Half of the 600-800 people that are in jita arent doing anything but spamming the local channel with these stupid contracts for items that noone wants. Which causes most unnecessary lag.

I'm sure this topics already been posted but i dont care. Please fix jita.

CCP - I'm glad you guys finally got the server working. But i still dont see any reimbursement for days of down time, lost money, ships, items. What do you plan to do about reimbursing us?

Halkin
Caldari
Locus Evolved
Posted - 2007.09.18 18:34:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Halkin on 18/09/2007 18:35:32
1) probably 95% of them are either stuck on someone else or havent loaded screen yet. make three other undock points for that station (random, or least loaded biased random).

2) stop posting of contracts into local maybe. if you stopped it in jita alone then no doubt people would gather elsewhere. even doing this i forsee lots of "look at my bio" posts in local instead.

the whole market there is player generated, the players have made it like it is not ccp. yes its frustrating, yes i do go there on occasion. as for the people who hang there all the time and whine about it then thats their fault.

why are you there anyway? if it bothers you so much then buy stuff somewhere else.

edit: spelling mistakes on a grand scale

Hafthor
Gallente
The Fated
E.Y
Posted - 2007.09.18 18:34:00 - [3]
 

The thing to be done about Jita is

DON'T GO TO JITA!!

Major Death
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2007.09.18 18:37:00 - [4]
 

Currently working on getting my Caldari standings to -10 so I can never enter Jita.

Thanos Draicon
Wolf Pack Mentality
Blood and Steel
Posted - 2007.09.18 18:38:00 - [5]
 

1) Don't go to Jita, avoiding traffic jams outside of stations

2)Avoiding Jita removes having to listen to people spamming contracts in Jita Local

Seeing EyeDog
Posted - 2007.09.18 18:38:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: scrapironfish
Mayb you can make another station with a very similar market a few jumps away from jita.



ummmm what? the market is the way it is in Jita, because thats how WE, the PLAYERS, made it. Its not because the CCP team said "omg good idea, lets centralize trade out of one system"...if you dont like jita, start offering competitive prices in another part of the galaxy???

Maltitol
Gallente
Tides of Silence
Posted - 2007.09.18 18:40:00 - [7]
 

How can people still complain about Jita?

i have never entered jita, ever! ok once i did by mistake.. i was on autopilot, and had to deal with wife aggro. You dont need to enter either!

Redpants
Gallente
Dark Star LTD
Posted - 2007.09.18 18:41:00 - [8]
 

Lean over and take it. If you went to Jita you deserve it. Apparently the 10 threads with Jita in the title per day aren't enough to alert the devs to thier busy little system right?

I've been playing this game for over 2 years and I've never stepped foot inside that system. I have no reason to. I can find what I need often closer and in many cases at more competitive prices. If I do need to go near Jita I can find what a I want in neighboring systems.

Brutor Shaun
Posted - 2007.09.18 18:41:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: scrapironfish
Ok something has to be done about jita. Mayb you can make another station with a very similar market a few jumps away from jita.


There are hundreds of stations out there, all with identical markets.

CCP didn't make Jita a trade hub. We, the players did it.

It will always be a trade hub unless something drastic happens, and then another system will become the replacement hub and chaos will be resumed.

We've only got ourselves, our sheep-like herding instinct, and our overwhelming urge to find a bargain to blame. Baaaa.


Alz Shado
EverFlow
Posted - 2007.09.18 18:47:00 - [10]
 

Everyone who complaints about Jita being overcrowded should go take their business to Amarr. I flew there there on my way to Delve, and was quite disappointed to see the capital system of the Amarr Empire sporting no more than 40-60 pilots on a prime time weeknight.

And, if you're lucky like me, you'll get to see a real live Chribba in local. The Eve gate is for noobs. Go see the real sights of the game.

Thanos Draicon
Wolf Pack Mentality
Blood and Steel
Posted - 2007.09.18 18:50:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Alz Shado
Everyone who complaints about Jita being overcrowded should go take their business to Amarr. I flew there there on my way to Delve, and was quite disappointed to see the capital system of the Amarr Empire sporting no more than 40-60 pilots on a prime time weeknight.

And, if you're lucky like me, you'll get to see a real live Chribba in local. The Eve gate is for noobs. Go see the real sights of the game.

Actually, when I'm in Amarr I routinely see 100-150 people in local...

Cornucopian
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2007.09.18 18:53:00 - [12]
 

*snip* No rants, thank you. -Rauth Kivaro (mods@ccpgames.com)

Thanos Draicon
Wolf Pack Mentality
Blood and Steel
Posted - 2007.09.18 18:56:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: Hafthor
The thing to be done about Jita is

DON'T GO TO JITA!!


QFT

to the op: STFU AND DIE YOU ****ING IDIOT. STOP TRYING TO BE FUNNY.

I think this is more appropriate...and by appropriate, I mean more humorously cliche'd:
Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Originally by: scrapironfish
Ok something has to be done about jita. Mayb you can make another station with a very similar market a few jumps away from jita.

THIS...IS...JEE-TAH!
*kicks scrapironfish down a random well*

SteeleResolve
Amarr
The Fiction Factory
Precision Gears
Posted - 2007.09.18 18:56:00 - [14]
 

sssshhhhhhhhhhhh! dont bring the jita blob to amarr



Sacul
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.09.18 18:57:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Brutor Shaun
Originally by: scrapironfish
Ok something has to be done about jita. Mayb you can make another station with a very similar market a few jumps away from jita.


CCP didn't make Jita a trade hub. We, the players did it.

It will always be a trade hub unless something drastic happens, ....




Remember Yulai aka 'U-Lag'.

Game tip #205:
Go to Nonni, alot of mods are 30% cheaper there and just 6 out of Jita.
~Only the bravest or most lazy go to jita on a sunday evening.

MrTripps
Gallente
Hedonistic Squirrels
Posted - 2007.09.18 19:06:00 - [16]
 

Its really kinda silly to say "don't go to Jita." Sometimes you have to because it is the only place some items are sold. Unless you want to fly around the Eve universe paying 100% markup just to fit a single ship that is.
Its also kinda silly to complain about it. Jita is what it is a necessary evil.

Cornucopian
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2007.09.18 19:11:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: MrTripps
Its really kinda silly to say "don't go to Jita." Sometimes you have to because it is the only place some items are sold. Unless you want to fly around the Eve universe paying 100% markup just to fit a single ship that is.
Its also kinda silly to complain about it. Jita is what it is a necessary evil.


thats an urban myth. also most mods have 8 variants, get the one that is 5 percent less uber and save 100 Mil ISK and a trip to jita.

also to the guy with the sparta quote for jita: priceless

Thanos Draicon
Wolf Pack Mentality
Blood and Steel
Posted - 2007.09.18 19:17:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: MrTripps
Its really kinda silly to say "don't go to Jita." Sometimes you have to because it is the only place some items are sold. Unless you want to fly around the Eve universe paying 100% markup just to fit a single ship that is.
Its also kinda silly to complain about it. Jita is what it is a necessary evil.


thats an urban myth. also most mods have 8 variants, get the one that is 5 percent less uber and save 100 Mil ISK and a trip to jita.

also to the guy with the sparta quote for jita: priceless

I'm going to get Tarminic to do a photoshop image of it. I'm not good with photoshop so I can't, but he will. Laughing

Cornucopian
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2007.09.18 19:28:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Thanos Draicon
Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: MrTripps
Its really kinda silly to say "don't go to Jita." Sometimes you have to because it is the only place some items are sold. Unless you want to fly around the Eve universe paying 100% markup just to fit a single ship that is.
Its also kinda silly to complain about it. Jita is what it is a necessary evil.


thats an urban myth. also most mods have 8 variants, get the one that is 5 percent less uber and save 100 Mil ISK and a trip to jita.

also to the guy with the sparta quote for jita: priceless

I'm going to get Tarminic to do a photoshop image of it. I'm not good with photoshop so I can't, but he will. Laughing


you had better host in on EVEfiles

Iomar Uisdean
Gallente
Posted - 2007.09.18 19:31:00 - [20]
 

You know why Jita sucks? Because that's where all the crap gets sold. Not just in the system. It's all in one freakin' station.

Why does everything get sold there? Because that's where all the buyers go for one stop shopping. Sure, it's one tedious, soul destroying stop, but still it's only one stop.

I've tryed selling my wares outside of Jita. It doesn't hardly work. I used to place sell orders for stuff at reasonable prices in a variety of well traveled areas. Even areas that are pretty much on the route to and from Jita. Took me forever to unload a couple dozen guns, even when I priced them 10% to 20% below Jita prices. Then I still had to watch the sell orders and cope with other sellers (who apparently can't stand going to Jita either) undercutting by 1/100th of an isk.

It's annoying. So what do I do now? Once a week or so I grit my teeth, load a bunch of crap into a (heavily tanked, don't even think about it) hauler and go to Jita, place the crap on sale at not even the lowest prices. Then I undock and get the hell out of there as fast as possible. I don't look at local, I don't look for bargains, I haul ass out of there as fast as the screen loading times allow me.

By the time I get 5 jumps away, half the stuff is already sold. Bought by people who no doubt cruise right past the markets where I used to try and sell my crap.

Why do I sell my crap there? Apparently, because that's the place where people buy the crap.

I'd be happy to sell my crap to people, even at less profit, if only people could be bothered to buy my crap anywhere outside of Jita.

MrTripps
Gallente
Hedonistic Squirrels
Posted - 2007.09.18 19:36:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Cornucopian
thats an urban myth. also most mods have 8 variants, get the one that is 5 percent less uber and save 100 Mil ISK and a trip to jita.


Explain how to do that with, say, the hull and fittings for a Helios. Where do I get the cheaper and less uber Cov Ops cloak?

Andrahkon
UNITED STARS ORGANISATION
Sternhagel
Posted - 2007.09.18 19:37:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Andrahkon on 18/09/2007 19:37:09

Maybe that idea helps fixing all trade-hubs:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=590617&page=2#38

Cornucopian
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2007.09.18 19:48:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: MrTripps
Originally by: Cornucopian
thats an urban myth. also most mods have 8 variants, get the one that is 5 percent less uber and save 100 Mil ISK and a trip to jita.


Explain how to do that with, say, the hull and fittings for a Helios. Where do I get the cheaper and less uber Cov Ops cloak?


oursu, amarr, rens, dodixie, aunia, auvergene: take your pick little jita ****. Very Happy

MotoTsume
Gallente
sniper unlimited
United Abominations
Posted - 2007.09.18 19:54:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: MrTripps
Originally by: Cornucopian
thats an urban myth. also most mods have 8 variants, get the one that is 5 percent less uber and save 100 Mil ISK and a trip to jita.


Explain how to do that with, say, the hull and fittings for a Helios. Where do I get the cheaper and less uber Cov Ops cloak?


oursu, amarr, rens, dodixie, aunia, auvergene: take your pick little jita ****. Very Happy



Now you've done it - you let the cat out of the bag and now all the little stupid Jitarian are gonna ruin all the good shopping places smart eve people shop in Very Happy


seriously those are all good places to shop with none of the lag of Jita

I never go to Jita but to one of the ones on that list.

Seeing EyeDog
Posted - 2007.09.18 19:56:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Sacul


Game tip #205:
Go to Nonni, alot of mods are 30% cheaper there and just 6 out of Jita.
~Only the bravest or most lazy go to jita on a sunday evening.


Nourvukaiken is another minor trade hub. I save more money there than i do in jita...

Cornucopian
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2007.09.18 19:59:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Iomar Uisdean
You know why Jita sucks? Because that's where all the crap gets sold. Not just in the system. It's all in one freakin' station.

Why does everything get sold there? Because that's where all the buyers go for one stop shopping. Sure, it's one tedious, soul destroying stop, but still it's only one stop.

I've tryed selling my wares outside of Jita. It doesn't hardly work. I used to place sell orders for stuff at reasonable prices in a variety of well traveled areas. Even areas that are pretty much on the route to and from Jita. Took me forever to unload a couple dozen guns, even when I priced them 10% to 20% below Jita prices. Then I still had to watch the sell orders and cope with other sellers (who apparently can't stand going to Jita either) undercutting by 1/100th of an isk.

It's annoying. So what do I do now? Once a week or so I grit my teeth, load a bunch of crap into a (heavily tanked, don't even think about it) hauler and go to Jita, place the crap on sale at not even the lowest prices. Then I undock and get the hell out of there as fast as possible. I don't look at local, I don't look for bargains, I haul ass out of there as fast as the screen loading times allow me.

By the time I get 5 jumps away, half the stuff is already sold. Bought by people who no doubt cruise right past the markets where I used to try and sell my crap.

Why do I sell my crap there? Apparently, because that's the place where people buy the crap.

I'd be happy to sell my crap to people, even at less profit, if only people could be bothered to buy my crap anywhere outside of Jita.


that is utter bullcrap. my sell orders fly off the shelves even in systems that arent designated as hubs.

undercutting 1 ISK on jita prices..... you guys.... I sell ships in gallente hubs, i sell salvage all over the place, ammo in missionhubs and random ****e all over eve, it takes me the MAX of a week to unload 90% of my sell orders. and I sell all kinds of different stuff. why make margin profits around jita when you can sell stuff at 200% in the right place?

For instance, try selling hybrid charges in amarr mission hubs where there is hardly any ammo on the local market: you will make a killing (hybrid ammo is used by 2 races and there are plenty of people running missions in hybrid ships). Or perhaps supplying tanking stuff for all the eve players who drop by cosmos systems? or buy a hyperion in metropolis for 137 mil and sell it in gallente space for 155 mil.

maybe put up a 1000 shuttles in a 0.0 neutral station at 50k a pop....

all this jita whining is just lazy people who cant be bothered to actually research trading and moan while they have to load jita for half an hour.

GET SMART? GET OUT OF JITA!

Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.09.18 20:00:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Iomar Uisdean
You know why Jita sucks? Because that's where all the crap gets sold. Not just in the system. It's all in one freakin' station.

Why does everything get sold there? Because that's where all the buyers go for one stop shopping. Sure, it's one tedious, soul destroying stop, but still it's only one stop.

I've tryed selling my wares outside of Jita. It doesn't hardly work. I used to place sell orders for stuff at reasonable prices in a variety of well traveled areas. Even areas that are pretty much on the route to and from Jita. Took me forever to unload a couple dozen guns, even when I priced them 10% to 20% below Jita prices. Then I still had to watch the sell orders and cope with other sellers (who apparently can't stand going to Jita either) undercutting by 1/100th of an isk.

It's annoying. So what do I do now? Once a week or so I grit my teeth, load a bunch of crap into a (heavily tanked, don't even think about it) hauler and go to Jita, place the crap on sale at not even the lowest prices. Then I undock and get the hell out of there as fast as possible. I don't look at local, I don't look for bargains, I haul ass out of there as fast as the screen loading times allow me.

By the time I get 5 jumps away, half the stuff is already sold. Bought by people who no doubt cruise right past the markets where I used to try and sell my crap.

Why do I sell my crap there? Apparently, because that's the place where people buy the crap.

I'd be happy to sell my crap to people, even at less profit, if only people could be bothered to buy my crap anywhere outside of Jita.
And there you have it.. CCP can't upgrade thier customers buying habits no matter how many nodes get thrown at it.. And any attempt to shuffle gates to make people leave will just have the effect of making some other system the new Jita.. Ask yourself this mateys.. Do you go to the local RL shopping megaplex on a weekend? **** NO! You have to park waaaay out in the boonies it takes forever to do your shopping because of all the people crowding the stores and checkout lanes and when you finally get done you have to wait forever to get the hell out due to all the traffic backed up at every intersection with its coma inducing stop/go cycle.. Whoa.. Eve is more like RL than you thought.. Laughing

Cornucopian
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2007.09.18 20:00:00 - [28]
 

I have never visited Jita nor will I: I fly lag free and make more than enough off my trading. this goddamn jita bull has got to stop. for the love of god just get the hell out of there! use your brain for gods sake and do your trading somewhere else.

Cornucopian
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2007.09.18 20:03:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Cornucopian on 18/09/2007 20:03:23
Originally by: Iomar Uisdean
You know why Jita sucks? Because that's where all the crap gets sold. Not just in the system. It's all in one freakin' station.

Why does everything get sold there? Because that's where all the buyers go for one stop shopping. Sure, it's one tedious, soul destroying stop, but still it's only one stop.

I've tryed selling my wares outside of Jita. It doesn't hardly work. I used to place sell orders for stuff at reasonable prices in a variety of well traveled areas. Even areas that are pretty much on the route to and from Jita. Took me forever to unload a couple dozen guns, even when I priced them 10% to 20% below Jita prices. Then I still had to watch the sell orders and cope with other sellers (who apparently can't stand going to Jita either) undercutting by 1/100th of an isk.

It's annoying. So what do I do now? Once a week or so I grit my teeth, load a bunch of crap into a (heavily tanked, don't even think about it) hauler and go to Jita, place the crap on sale at not even the lowest prices. Then I undock and get the hell out of there as fast as possible. I don't look at local, I don't look for bargains, I haul ass out of there as fast as the screen loading times allow me.

By the time I get 5 jumps away, half the stuff is already sold. Bought by people who no doubt cruise right past the markets where I used to try and sell my crap.

Why do I sell my crap there? Apparently, because that's the place where people buy the crap.

I'd be happy to sell my crap to people, even at less profit, if only people could be bothered to buy my crap anywhere outside of Jita.


also, how about you sell at regoinal prices, not jita prices...hald of the time you make more money. or perhaps better yet; get your entire operation out of caldari space! its full of macroers, gankers, high sec pwnage and missionwhoring: eve has 5000 systems you know.

Iomar Uisdean
Gallente
Posted - 2007.09.18 20:30:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Cornucopian

that is utter bullcrap. my sell orders fly off the shelves even in systems that arent designated as hubs.

undercutting 1 ISK on jita prices..... you guys.... I sell ships in gallente hubs, i sell salvage all over the place, ammo in missionhubs and random ****e all over eve, it takes me the MAX of a week to unload 90% of my sell orders. and I sell all kinds of different stuff. why make margin profits around jita when you can sell stuff at 200% in the right place?

For instance, try selling hybrid charges in amarr mission hubs where there is hardly any ammo on the local market: you will make a killing (hybrid ammo is used by 2 races and there are plenty of people running missions in hybrid ships). Or perhaps supplying tanking stuff for all the eve players who drop by cosmos systems? or buy a hyperion in metropolis for 137 mil and sell it in gallente space for 155 mil.

maybe put up a 1000 shuttles in a 0.0 neutral station at 50k a pop....

all this jita whining is just lazy people who cant be bothered to actually research trading and moan while they have to load jita for half an hour.

GET SMART? GET OUT OF JITA!


Jeeze, there's no need to be so darn hostile. I happen to (mostly) agree with your points about where and how to sell stuff.

I posted why I sell (much of) my stuff in Jita to make a point.

The point is, it's easy, it's quick apart from getting away and one doesn't have to spend hardly any time thinking, planning, scheeming, researching. Just take the stuff and throw it on the market in Jita at whatever price you want, some fool will buy it pretty fast. That's my point. It's largely brainless selling to largely brainless people.

I buy anything I need in places like Oursuleart or Dodoxie and I prefer to shop around, anyway. Prices are often much better.

I can even sell my wares in other places, somewhat slower and with a bit more effort and forethought ..... but why bother making extra effort when I don't have to? Selling outside of Jita is requires more effort and thought because people buying outside tend to employ more effort and thought.

Sure, I am being a bit lazy in that regard. Gives me extra incentive to not be so lazy in other aspects of the game.

Besides, Jita isn't so terrible unless you're there for hours on end during peak times. 10 minutes to place sell orders during off peak hours is quite managable.


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