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Razen21
Posted - 2007.09.16 21:48:00 - [31]
 

Hey! I would really LOVE to fly any other ship than this slow golden banana. But I'm still a new player, and I am just finishing up with the advanced learning skills so I cant fly anything else than a bestower.

Calvin Firenze
Minmatar
Caeli Veredictum
Posted - 2007.09.16 21:50:00 - [32]
 

I sense a thread nerf.

shouldn't this be in C&P?

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.09.16 21:52:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Xcom
He probebly had 500M isk worth of zide.

Just a quick question. How well does a occator do against suiciders?


I gank occators all the time. The only transports I dont bother scanning are impels and mastodons.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.09.16 21:53:00 - [34]
 

Tanking-wise, can't beat the Badger variants.
Badger2, Badger2, Badger2, Badger2, Bustard, Badger2, Badger2.
And did I mention Badger ?

Vyyrus
An Eye For An Eye
Rule of Three
Posted - 2007.09.16 21:54:00 - [35]
 

Don't autopilot. Carried a lot more in a bestower in high sec.

Zato Ichii
Posted - 2007.09.16 22:05:00 - [36]
 

just a few things,

whoever says "bring an escort" is a dumb****. what the hell is an escort gonna do when you are getting suicide ganked? remote rep you? so he's supposed to follow you all around highsec (loads of fun) and lock you everytime you start aligning for warp just in case someone starts shooting at you? sounds like a fun way to play a game

whoever says don't fly around with xxx isk in your cargo, tell me how you are supposed to move things from one point to another then? make several round trips? what if you have tens of billions to move? then you're just ****ed?

and when people say "don't fly around with xxxx amount of isk in a t1 hauler" then tell me what do you fly it around in? yes flying hundreds of millions or billions in a t1 hauler is stupid but when even freighters can be suicide ganked in highsec there is a problem.

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2007.09.16 22:13:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Cpt Branko on 16/09/2007 22:13:45
Originally by: Razen21
Edited by: Razen21 on 16/09/2007 20:51:01
500m of zydrine lost....What is the point of having hi security areas where players can sucicide gank you?



So they can suicide gank you and pick up your stuff! Very Happy

Why were you hauling 500M worth of stuff in a paper ship?!?

Break it up into more trips, basically. And MAX tank your ship with a HP buffer. And then some more. Cargo expander IIs are stupid Very Happy

Arvald
Caldari
Drunken Space Irish
Posted - 2007.09.16 22:22:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Razen21
Edited by: Razen21 on 16/09/2007 20:51:01
500m of zydrine lost....What is the point of having hi security areas where players can sucicide gank you?


Victim: Razen21
Alliance: Elemental Fusion
Corp: Black Thorne Corporation
Destroyed: Bestower
System: Kusomonmon
Security: 0.8

Involved parties:

Name: Evil M (laid the final blow)
Security: -0.4
Alliance: Cult of War
Corp: Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Ship: Hurricane
Weapon: 425mm AutoCannon I


Destroyed items:

Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II


i spent most of the week getting that 500m worth of zydrine :( if it had gotten destroyed at least i'd have the satisfaction. This is very...frustrating.

AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*inhales* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh god make it stop i cant breathe

Arvald
Caldari
Drunken Space Irish
Posted - 2007.09.16 22:24:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Arvald on 16/09/2007 22:26:56
Edited by: Arvald on 16/09/2007 22:26:24
just a few things,

whoever says "bring an escort" is a dumb****. what the hell is an escort gonna do when you are getting suicide ganked? remote rep you? so he's supposed to follow you all around highsec (loads of fun) and lock you everytime you start aligning for warp just in case someone starts shooting at you? sounds like a fun way to play a game


yes actualy

whoever says don't fly around with xxx isk in your cargo, tell me how you are supposed to move things from one point to another then? make several round trips? what if you have tens of billions to move? then you're just ****ed?


haul it in a bs fitted for hauling (not hard to do)

and when people say "don't fly around with xxxx amount of isk in a t1 hauler" then tell me what do you fly it around in? yes flying hundreds of millions or billions in a t1 hauler is stupid but when even freighters can be suicide ganked in highsec there is a problem.

again battleship or make multiple trips

Fujiko MaXjolt
Caldari
ACME HARDWARE
Fade 2 Black
Posted - 2007.09.16 22:56:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Fujiko MaXjolt on 16/09/2007 22:56:28
Let's see...
500m worth of zydrine = roughly 250k units @ 2k/unit.
This takes up 2,500m3 of cargo.
You could've fitted this into the cargohold of a Sigil, which is a fast little number, but here's a suggestion for "next time" in your trusty bestower :
1) Don't AFK haul, use warp to zero (it's the best).
2) Fit as many shield extenders as you can.
3) Fill the lows with inertial stabilizers to make you warp faster.

This way, you have maximum survivability required for a minimum of time (the time it takes to align to next gate).

But, if you're going to do trade on anywhere NEAR a serious level (read, hauling expensive stuffs around), you NEED a T2 hauler (transport ship).

BTW, LOVE your attitude, and fly safER next time Very Happy

Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.09.16 22:56:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Razen21
Edited by: Razen21 on 16/09/2007 20:51:01
500m of zydrine lost....What is the point of having hi security areas where players can sucicide gank you?


Victim: Razen21
Alliance: Elemental Fusion
Corp: Black Thorne Corporation
Destroyed: Bestower
System: Kusomonmon
Security: 0.8

Involved parties:

Name: Evil M (laid the final blow)
Security: -0.4
Alliance: Cult of War
Corp: Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Ship: Hurricane
Weapon: 425mm AutoCannon I


Destroyed items:

Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II


i spent most of the week getting that 500m worth of zydrine :( if it had gotten destroyed at least i'd have the satisfaction. This is very...frustrating.


Train for a Badger II Mammoth or Itty 5 and shield tank it to hell and back with an Invul II and watch you ganker die impotently as Concord WTFPWNBBQ's him with your shields at about 70%.. FFS people if you just put a tank on your indy then you'll live more than long enough to wait for Concord to rescue you.. Rolling Eyes

Zato Ichii
Posted - 2007.09.16 22:57:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 16/09/2007 22:26:56
Edited by: Arvald on 16/09/2007 22:26:24
just a few things,

whoever says "bring an escort" is a dumb****. what the hell is an escort gonna do when you are getting suicide ganked? remote rep you? so he's supposed to follow you all around highsec (loads of fun) and lock you everytime you start aligning for warp just in case someone starts shooting at you? sounds like a fun way to play a game


yes actualy

whoever says don't fly around with xxx isk in your cargo, tell me how you are supposed to move things from one point to another then? make several round trips? what if you have tens of billions to move? then you're just ****ed?


haul it in a bs fitted for hauling (not hard to do)

and when people say "don't fly around with xxxx amount of isk in a t1 hauler" then tell me what do you fly it around in? yes flying hundreds of millions or billions in a t1 hauler is stupid but when even freighters can be suicide ganked in highsec there is a problem.

again battleship or make multiple trips



what the **** is the point of a freighter if, really, you should be using "hauling battleships"? this post is beyond ******ed. nobody who thinks suicide ganking is fine can agree with what you just said.

seriously, what the ****. If a freighter can be ganked, why can't a "hauling battleship." not to mention that freighters can hold quite literally, 1000x more than a battleship and, get this, they were MADE for hauling and cost nearly a billion.

KeyserSoze
Posted - 2007.09.16 23:06:00 - [43]
 

again, the guy is a noob, be glad its only 500m.

Allestin Villimar
Zebra Corp
Posted - 2007.09.16 23:24:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Train for a Badger II Mammoth or Itty 5 and shield tank it to hell and back with an Invul II and watch you ganker die impotently as Concord WTFPWNBBQ's him with your shields at about 70%.. FFS people if you just put a tank on your indy then you'll live more than long enough to wait for Concord to rescue you.. Rolling Eyes


You ever tried doing that? These ships aren't exactly high on powergrid (meaning no extenders) or natural shields/armor, and even with 75% or better to every resist you're likely to go down in 2-3 volleys from any decent cruiser or BC using medium weapons in industrials.

Ridley Scot
Caldari
Wyland-Yutani Corporation
Posted - 2007.09.17 00:09:00 - [45]
 

Its really up to CCP. They dont want to fix it. So yeah, gank in high sec, its easy, no risk involved and profit is huge.

Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
Posted - 2007.09.17 00:14:00 - [46]
 

I got nothin wrong with high-sec suicide ganks, hell Ive done it myself against macros. But it does seem a bit dumb that you can set up a T1 fitted suicide BC/BS and only lose around 10mil after insurance payout. Im not saying concord losses should be zero insurance cause that would mega screw people who get flag-bugged and stuff, but maybe like a 15% penalty against your insurance payout if concord kills you. So suicide ganks would still be plenty viable for high value targets, but not something to be thrown against random indies and freighters and stuff.

Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2007.09.17 00:24:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Xcom
He probebly had 500M isk worth of zide.

Just a quick question. How well does a occator do against suiciders?
All of the T2 transports tend to do well, but the Occator isn't terribly impressive. It suffers from the same general problem all armor tankers do, which is you have to balance armor mods with other low-slot mods. So you have to balance speed/alignment with tanking and cargo capacity, which means if you're carrying a lot of cargo you have little of the rest. The Caldari transports however benefit from being shield tankers; they don't have quite the cargo capacity and the Bustard in particular only has 3 mid-slots, but that will fit more than enough of a tank.

Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.09.17 00:27:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Allestin Villimar
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Train for a Badger II Mammoth or Itty 5 and shield tank it to hell and back with an Invul II and watch you ganker die impotently as Concord WTFPWNBBQ's him with your shields at about 70%.. FFS people if you just put a tank on your indy then you'll live more than long enough to wait for Concord to rescue you.. Rolling Eyes


You ever tried doing that? These ships aren't exactly high on powergrid (meaning no extenders) or natural shields/armor, and even with 75% or better to every resist you're likely to go down in 2-3 volleys from any decent cruiser or BC using medium weapons in industrials.


I personally use Mammoths with 4 medium extenders an Invul II and a thermal kinetic and em resist rig.. 6000+ shield hp with max skills and near t2 resists.. If you bring enough firepower to overcome that tank then you just went into the red on your bottom line for that particular gank.. Wink

Plutonian
Gallente
Intransigent
Posted - 2007.09.17 00:29:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Allestin Villimar
You ever tried doing that? These ships aren't exactly high on powergrid (meaning no extenders) or natural shields/armor, and even with 75% or better to every resist you're likely to go down in 2-3 volleys from any decent cruiser or BC using medium weapons in industrials.


Yet, when combined with Warp-to-Zero, best shield tank possible, I-stabs in the lows, and especially a blockade runner... I find that I've generally thrown enough obstacles in the path of the gankers that their attack will fail.

Eve Online: the game where paranoia actually pays off. Laughing

Price Watcher
Posted - 2007.09.17 00:38:00 - [50]
 

Regular industrials are paper-thin.

Train up for a transport and learn to tank it.

And don't haul half a billion at one time.

FFS, that is really putting temptation in harm's way.

Shari Vegas
Minmatar
Ctrl Alt Elites
Posted - 2007.09.17 01:09:00 - [51]
 

I like how you were carrying 500m in Zyd in a completely untaked bestower.

Industrials have those mid slots for a reason, clown.

Shari Vegas
Minmatar
Ctrl Alt Elites
Posted - 2007.09.17 01:11:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Razen21
Hey! I would really LOVE to fly any other ship than this slow golden banana. But I'm still a new player


And yet you had 500m in Zyd?

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2007.09.17 01:17:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 17/09/2007 01:18:50
Seriously you don't ever transport that much valuables in a mere industrial fitted for max cargo. I almost wish it was me shooting you for this and that's not looking at the spoils but your actions.

Honethite
Gallente
Posted - 2007.09.17 01:38:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Svavz
Best quote I ever heard;

Concord offers PUNISHMENT, not protection.


Quoted ! Nice !

Ridley Scot
Caldari
Wyland-Yutani Corporation
Posted - 2007.09.17 02:59:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Ridley Scot on 17/09/2007 03:00:49
Originally by: Honethite
Originally by: Svavz
Best quote I ever heard;

Concord offers PUNISHMENT, not protection.


Quoted ! Nice !


And what is you lose when you get punished? ISK you paid to insure your ship? Laughing
Funny really........
Oh wait you lose security status too Rolling Eyes Hahahaha

Atomos Darksun
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.09.17 03:38:00 - [56]
 

The best video of eve ever made:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTn9EASiPMY
BELIEVE the power of the Badger.
WISCONSIN FTW!
Oh and the ship too...lol

Nanobotter Mk2
Posted - 2007.09.17 04:25:00 - [57]
 

I have a question for all of you wise eve players giving this guy advice....what is the balance to the suicider? why is it that the hauler needs to not move 500m? why is it that the hauler needs to learn the expensive lessons? Why are people allowed to gank a ship with 500M in a ship worth 4 mill... Why isn;t the suicider not entitled to learn expensive lessons as he sits predictably at a gate scanning ships over and over?


Looks we can have some danger and some risk in high sec, that is fine. But it needs to be shared equally. there is no way you should be able to blow up a transport before concords get you when you are running a t1 fitted cruiser that has insurance.... Fix the dam game up there is no reasons haulers should be ABSOLUTE PAPER. you should ne to plug out 100 mill worth of ships to KO a transport in high sec....

Please SOMEONE ANYONE tell me why the suicide ganker is entitled to extreme low risk ganking that is 100% safe meanwhile the transporters are supposed to have their game enhanced with hardcore danger darkness and intensity?

I have never been ganked, I do not transport but I'll be damned if it is balanced right now and that peopel can sit around ganking in high sec with no serious financial risk or significant penalities of any sort.


Remove insurance, beef up indies ( they got no guns no speed the least they can do is have a decent tank ), and fudge with cargo scanners so they have a chance to give you incorrect results ( better yet make it a mod that can disguise cargo ). Then you can still suicide gank, but you have to put something on the line yourself and you are not assured of the cargo you might receive. you know basic balance and risk that supposedly eve is about.

F'nog
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.09.17 04:26:00 - [58]
 

I gotta say, I'm one of Eve's nicest guys, but I'd be hard-pressed not to suicide gank a Bestower with 500mil in Zyd and no tank.

And I've gotta ask: why did you have 3 T2 expanders when you had more than enough room for the cargo without any expanders?

You could ferry that much Zyd in 2 trips with an expanded and skilled Exequeror, though a Badger 2 could do it in 1 trip with an awesome tank.

Nanobotter Mk2
Posted - 2007.09.17 04:34:00 - [59]
 

Quote:
Best quote I ever heard;

Concord offers PUNISHMENT, not protection.



Hey that is cool and all, but you seriously are not suggesting proper punishments for suiciding is getting insurance paid and allowing your friend or alt to swoop in and pick up the loot are you? Hey why not just do this anytime you attack a player in high sec you just arrive in your stattion with 300 million in your account and skip the rest of the time sink part.....lol some punishment....


hey we are gonna punish you by blowing your ship up for attacking a helpless player that isnt flagged for pvp and in the mean time we will espcort your friend/alt and help them load up the victims 2.7 billion worth of cargo left in the wreck... ya big time punishment FEAR CONCORD....

Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Posted - 2007.09.17 04:51:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Kuolematon on 17/09/2007 04:51:50
Originally by: Svavz
Best quote I ever heard;
Concord offers PUNISHMENT, not protection.


Sign'd!

But I must say that this is only small amount what Evil M himself did lose to suicides when he was a noob Twisted Evil - something liek dread guristas modules in hoarder .. ring a bell my dear friend Evil M? ugh


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