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Leroy Payne
Posted - 2007.09.13 10:45:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Ilvan
Low-sec isn't safe? Ohnoes! The horror!
Embarassed


That's just the point you missed:

Lowsec is safe, as long as you fly a mothership. Barring some rediculously lucky and well hatched plan involving about 20 battleships bumping and neuting within about a 2 minute window - the mothership cannot be stopped.

Also have you seen what a mothership does to close range neuting battleships? be prepared to lose more than a few, and still watch the mothership escape.

But yeah I guess now bob is losing the devs are all flying around in lowsec motherships instead, when they aren't posting more patch notes lying about fixing drones and improving lag.

Amy Wang
Posted - 2007.09.13 10:47:00 - [32]
 

You got podded in low sec, welcome to eve ;)

Nah, seriously, the only thing thats wrong about this picture is that Motherships are currently still invulnerable in low sec since dictor bubbles dont work there while they die quite frequently now in 0.0 space.

At some point CCP will introduce a way of scrambling supercapitals in low sec be it with a module for dictors that only works in low sec or with the new t2 interdiction cruiser and then the solo gatecamping days with impunity are over, just a question of time really (I hope).

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2007.09.13 11:02:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Xantia Gedur
Originally by: PawnStar Assasin

This joker, "Miz Cenuij" is ranked 24 on Battleclinic.



Miz is a old timer and im sure he is just laming in empire because he is fustrated (like everyone else) that fleet warfare is broken with unplayble lag.

No one cares about killboard statistics, they mean nothing and are not indicitive of actual pvp skill.


Seeing has he and his corp are usually positioned in Rancer killing anyone that pass, and when Rancer traffic get too low for what they are doing they move to another low sec entry point with high traffic, he is and he wasn't ever interested in fleet warfare.

Miz is a know scammer and noob killer. Not a alliance player slumming because flee battles aren't fun.

Lilian Long
Posted - 2007.09.13 11:14:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Lilian Long on 13/09/2007 11:18:57
If possible, remove the invulnerability of supercaps to EW in empire. Don't know how to find a RP reason for it, but it should do the trick. Laughing

Or a better idea: Allow interdictor bubbles in low sec and let them only affect criminally flagged people and war targets. Ok, will be difficult to find an RP reason for it. Be creative ! Laughing

KHEN
New Horizons
Posted - 2007.09.13 11:49:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: KHEN on 13/09/2007 11:49:57
Originally by: PawnStar Assasin
This joker, "Miz Cenuij" is ranked 24 on Battleclinic.


The problem is here : Killboards : some poor peeps need to "make a score" to exist, no matter the way : they don't play for fun or even for griefing, but for a number and a rank... in a video game Rolling Eyes. They need that to boost their ego. That's sad because Miz is a good pilot I think.

MS EW immunity is a problem in low-sec : The stargates should be able to warp/web and jump disrupt supercapitals in a 30 kms radius, for say 10-15 minutes when they enter Global Criminal Countdown


Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2007.09.13 11:52:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Sm0kE
Ummm, actually.. That's pretty damn dumb. Gotta be griefing. WTH is he getting out of doing that?

...probably some fat 12 year old eating Kentucky fried chicken just laughin' his ass off.


because when you transport BPOS across the galaxy taking that 0.4 shortcut - you fly them across in the 'invunerable' shuttle.

Well guess what... your insta warp insta jump shuttle aint so 'invunerable'. All the way it should be.

Miz has setup his very expensive ship SPECIFICALLY to kill all the people who think they are unkillable.. the warp to zero shuttles. noob ships, intys etc.

Good on him.

SKUNK

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.09.13 11:57:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: Qolde
That's a tad bit o' lame. Eve isn't supposed to be safe or friendly, no matter how long you've been playing. Lowsec PvPer's/Griefers/Pirates like to say that it was harder when they started, but they forget that when they started nobody knew what they were doing, and cruisers were the biggest ship you could have. Now the rift between the oldest and the newest, and the largest and the smallest is much greater. If a new player spent a whole year focusing solely on killing a mothership in lowsec, he would not be able to do it. It's impossible. That makes the game a little less appealing, and as time goes on, if things stay the way they are, there will be no new players, because their entire time will be spent doing the most boring things in the game.

There was a time when a player could cruise in 0.0 in a cruiser, and not have much to worry about because there were only 5k players, and none of them had significantly more skills than a newer player. Now, empire is filled with suicide alts, NPC corps are not nearly as chatty as when i began, it's unheard of to get help on a mission because of the new gang-can-flag-warp-gank move. Someone says "Hi" in local, and is met with "STFU n00b" and the game is unwelcoming. At least let them get a battleship so then when they are ready to quit, "u can have their stuffYARRRR!!".

People are scared to take risks. The game is full of "kitties". The gold magnate was destroyed. If there was one given out today, it would sit in a station and rust, like all the other unique ships that are still intact. People forgot what was fun, and have gravitated toward getting more isk. How many people wish that CONCORD worked like it did before m0o changed the game? Only the people who scare players away. I'm all for ganking n00bs, but I'm against griefing newbs.


agreed 100%. I think adding a MASS of new regions would help things a little: having thousands of new systems would enable small corps and new players to head into the void and actually start something without a 50dread gankfleet warping on their ass to nuke everything in sight.


Most particularly, create a couple of new NPC sov regions with 3-4x more than the usual number of 0.0 <-> Empire access points. They don't have to have particularly good ore or rats, just be free of the POSwar BS that infests player sov. space. That will give new players and corps a much better chance to get a foothold in 0.0.

Sixtina KL
The Shoop Group
Posted - 2007.09.13 12:17:00 - [38]
 

Stupid solutions against a stupid pirate:

-Click "systems with ship kills/podkills in the last 60 minutes" whenever your route takes you through low-sec. If there's a big red dot: problem.
-Check "avoid systems where podkill has recently occured". It's like a smart autopilot.
-Find out if there are intel channels for your region and keep an eye on it.
-If you get popped, report the camp in local in a nearby high-sec system or the correspondant intel channel. In your case, yell in Hek and I'm pretty sure everyone will get the message.

Golden rule: if you don't give him any targets to pop, he'll get bored and go away. And if all he blows up are shuttles and newbie ships, it's a step in the right directions: that tells me people were smart enough to scout and lose a shuttle and relatively inexpensive clone in lieu of a battleship or an industrial chock-full of BPOs and materials.

Granmethedon III
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.09.13 12:26:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Malcanis


Most particularly, create a couple of new NPC sov regions with 3-4x more than the usual number of 0.0 <-> Empire access points. They don't have to have particularly good ore or rats, just be free of the POSwar BS that infests player sov. space. That will give new players and corps a much better chance to get a foothold in 0.0.


Though sadly will require an increase in hardware, and we're already seeing that they can't keep up with what they already have.

Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2007.09.13 12:28:00 - [40]
 

It doesn't make sense to me to have a ship that can only be stopped by bubbles able to ender space where bubbles aren't allowed.

How does something like that get past ccp?

Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
Posted - 2007.09.13 12:41:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Frug
It doesn't make sense to me to have a ship that can only be stopped by bubbles able to ender space where bubbles aren't allowed.

How does something like that get past ccp?


Quite frequently ...

Raneru
Combat and Recon
Posted - 2007.09.13 12:45:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Trind2222

QFT i agree they belong 0.0 space only and not low sec.


Carriers and mofo ships are used alot to transport ships from a jump point in lowsec to 0.0. Only allowing them to jump around 0.0 would annoy alot of 0.0 alliances.

fuze
Gallente
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2007.09.13 13:02:00 - [43]
 

Why not allow supercaps in high-sec?
The second they enter Concord will welcome the pilot to a BBQ.
And ofc offer some nice fireworks so all n00bs can giggle.

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.09.13 13:09:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 13/09/2007 08:48:13
Originally by: PawnStar Assasin

the fact that he bothered to post 791 shuttle mails, 577 Rokie ships and 2001 pod kill mails



LaughingLaughingLaughing

Thats insane. Very Happy


Yet so very, uniquely, EVE. :)

Captian Internet
Lead Bricks
Posted - 2007.09.13 13:18:00 - [45]
 

Miz said himself in C&P "any sign of a fleet and I'll cyno out mwahahahaha"

Nerf lowsec MS

all you armchair generals forgot one thing

LOCAL with local NO fleet can move without being noticed

Your bumping bs theory is utter bs seeing as people have said to use it over and over again you'd think it would've worked yet for some reason no dead mother ships in lowsec hmmm makes you think doesn't it?

Also in before Miz

An Anarchyyt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.09.13 13:25:00 - [46]
 

What if there was a Module (or a few), that had a 99% reduction on Interdictors that was designed to be EW ships are are invulnerable to standard EW.

Maybe the Cruiser Interdictor will do this. It would also make the interdictor a bit more than just an 0.0 bubble machine.

Valrandir
Gallente
Distant Thunder
Perihelion Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.13 13:43:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: PawnStar Assasin
Lo fellow eve addicts.

For the past 15 mins I have watched a Nyx piloted by Miz Cenuij, a -10 char, sit on a gate in Otou with smartbombs fitted melting shuttle after shuttle swiftly followed by pod after pod as new players and alt scouts jumped into this one man gatecamp from hell.

How can this be a feesable use for a 25bil ship, he's completly 100% safe (as dictors cant be used in empire) to sit there and kill noob after noob without any risk to his ship.

Now i'm the first to admit i've killed a noob or two in my time and no doubt i'll kill a few more during my career but this is just plain stupid.

This joker, "Miz Cenuij" is ranked 24 on Battleclinic.

I'm not sure which is worse, the fact that he bothered to post 791 shuttle mails, 577 Rokie ships and 2001 pod kill mails or the fact that he got them in a 25billion ship.

I would love to organise a cerimonial shove his ship up his own backside fleet by contacting every pilot he's posted as a kill on battleclinic but unfortunatly CCP you have given me no way of killing this ship in empire space.

As you havn't given us a way to kill a nyx in low sec space prehaps you could suggest how we deal with this arse hat ?



Alt scouts are not noobs, and this is lowsec.
It's all good.

Sidewayzracer
Caldari
Advocated-Destruction
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2007.09.13 14:00:00 - [48]
 

if u want too kill the nyx in low sec u need 2 neut is cap down 2 the point where he cant jump which is alot of large neuts + neut drones

then secondly ull need 2 keep him bumped out of alignment till hes dead not a easy proposition but doable.

Illyria Ambri
SMASH Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.13 14:00:00 - [49]
 

Personally I think all you "legit" pirates should be ****ed.. this guy is popping everything that comes into lowsec...

How many of those people do you think were going there for the first time only die instantly?
How many times do you think they will try before they give up on lowsec all together and decide to become the dreaded empire carebear?

You seem to think hey thats cool.. it teaches them that lowsec is dangerous.. no.. it teaches them that lowsec is an instant death trap and convinces most of them to not go back.. though I'm sure it makes quite a few of them quit the game instead of dealing with arsehats such as this in their first tentative steps into the game.

But afterall who cares if he and ppl like him drive new players away.. who needs more lag eh?

You "legit" pirates should be doing everything you can to prevent epeeners from camping the lowsec entry gates and driving off all your prey. See the smart thing to do would be to NOT camp the lowsec entry gates.. rather let them come in deeper.. see how much "better" lowsec is and think.. "Hey I can do this".
But naaa.. why do that.. its so much easier to camp the entry gates and totally disuade any notion that lowsec may be better but turning all lowsec entry gates into "instagib" newbie poppers.

When pirates whine about lack of prey in lowsec.. its lusers such at this nyx pilot that are the cause, as are the lazy pirates that camp the entry points.
If you "legit" pirates want prey.. try policing your area.. i.e lowsec and prevent twits such as smartbombing capitals from driving off all your prey before they even bother to attempt lowsec is anything better then a shuttle.

Its like a pride of lions circled around a birthing gazelle.. If you eat the baby the moment he shows up for the first time.. then he wont be around later when he is bigger, better and more worth the effort... unless of course you dont want there to be any effort and prefer to chowdown on the helpless.. then come here and whine about lack of population in lowsec.

Why is lowesec unpopulated?? Gee maybe its due to smartbombing cap ships and lazy gankers camping the gates and preventing any fresh meat from getting in.

You "legit" pirates need to unite and police your own rather then letting them scare off all your potential.


Thanos Draicon
Wolf Pack Mentality
Blood and Steel
Posted - 2007.09.13 14:07:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: PawnStar Assasin
This joker, "Miz Cenuij" is ranked 24 on Battleclinic.

My solution? Just think about how tiny his real-life wang is, softly chuckle to yourself, and move on.

Twin blade
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2007.09.13 14:16:00 - [51]
 

I am just waiting as sooner or lator there is gona be a titan on a 0.4 blowing the living crap out of any thing like this mothership.

Twilight Interloper
Caldari
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2007.09.13 14:17:00 - [52]
 

he must have to log off eventually, why don't a bunch of players with great probing know-how just make sure that he always remains aggressed, and cause him to explode in RL from a lack of sleep? a MS can't dock or use a jump gate can it? would this even work :(

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.09.13 14:19:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Twilight Interloper
he must have to log off eventually, why don't a bunch of players with great probing know-how just make sure that he always remains aggressed, and cause him to explode in RL from a lack of sleep? a MS can't dock or use a jump gate can it? would this even work :(

His cyno alt can let him jump out whenever he likes. It's not just a matter of where he logs out in the system he's camping.

Tiger313
313th Squadron
Posted - 2007.09.13 14:20:00 - [54]
 

I agree with Illyria Ambri.

Saint Luka
Altruism.
Darkness Rising Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.13 14:21:00 - [55]
 

It costs the price of 25 carriers.

25 carriers would be invulnerable in low sec (Easily around the same as a mothership if not more) just with a little more lag.

People whine OMGPRICESHOULDNTBEANIWINBUTTON.

Thank of it more laterally eh?

Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
Posted - 2007.09.13 14:35:00 - [56]
 

It amazes me how Eve has become so anti-new player. Does CCP not want any new players unless they are isk farmers? New players can't enter gangs for risk of the add-an-at-war-pilot to the gang thingy. They are encouraged to spread out to low-sec, but if they do they get insta-popped by, of all things, a ms. It's just silly.

I know, I know, Eve is harsh, real pvp, etc. But you would think that when you are lucky to have 30,000 people playing at one time, you might want to actually encourage growing your player base, rather than have so many new players quit for the amusement of a few bored older players.

Maybe they don't care. Maybe Eve is just winding down and they don't want new players, I don't know. It just doesn't make much sense to me. By the way, I'm not a new player, I've never lost a ship to these things, I (unlike the new players) know how to use the map, blah, blah, I'm not quitting Eve and if I did, you couldn't have my stuff.

Nanobotter Mk2
Posted - 2007.09.13 14:45:00 - [57]
 

Quote:
Low-sec isn't safe? Ohnoes! The horror!

And here I was thinking that 'low security' meant midget cops.



Egad some people are not too bright are they? Okay simple simon let me spell it out for you....Low sec is indeed safe, but only for those flying a mothership parked at a gate smartbombing....I think that is the point the OP is making, shouldn;t low sec have similar risk for ALL eve players? Ohnoes the horror you might not be able to grief people safely!

Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
Posted - 2007.09.13 14:51:00 - [58]
 

I'm guessing the only reason CCP hasn't done something about this yet is because it isn't very widespread.... yet.

It does need to be fixed, but you can't blame Miz for having fun. Hell I'd be doing the same thing if I had a MS. ;)

Plus I think it's hilarious that he posts all the noobship and shuttle killmails. Not sure if he's doing it for rank or just for kicks. Laughing

Leroy Payne
Posted - 2007.09.13 14:54:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Sidewayzracer
if u want too kill the nyx in low sec u need 2 neut is cap down 2 the point where he cant jump which is alot of large neuts + neut drones

then secondly ull need 2 keep him bumped out of alignment till hes dead not a easy proposition but doable.


so doable... that it hasnt ever happened even once.

your plan works as long as mothership doesnt decide to blast the crap out of your neut battleships with its enormous amount of fighters... which I have to say is extremely unlikely.

Of course if you can assemble 50 neut battleships and sdrop them on him in under 5 miinutes without alerting him (his scouts) to anything so he cynos out, then maybe just maybe you will have some battleships left by the time you've actually broken his tank.

motherships are overpowered in low sec, end of story. Stop making up silly armchair strategies to justify the existence of a solo-pwnmobile that has no realistic counter in this context.

Twilight Interloper
Caldari
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2007.09.13 15:02:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Twilight Interloper
he must have to log off eventually, why don't a bunch of players with great probing know-how just make sure that he always remains aggressed, and cause him to explode in RL from a lack of sleep? a MS can't dock or use a jump gate can it? would this even work :(

His cyno alt can let him jump out whenever he likes. It's not just a matter of where he logs out in the system he's camping.




*watches his idea go spiralling down into the drain*

oh well Sad


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