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coldplasma
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2007.09.05 15:35:00 - [1]
 

Stealth bomber pops a guy in a belt and immediately warps to a safe spot and cloaks. Can concord find him? If not, is it legal to do this?

Gord Ackfordham
Fenscore Enterprises
United Corporations Against Macros
Posted - 2007.09.05 15:37:00 - [2]
 

avoiding concordokkens, no matter how its done is a petitionable offense.

NeOnicuS
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.09.05 15:37:00 - [3]
 

1) Escaping concord is an exploit.

2) No, you'll get an error about police jamming your cloaking abilities even before they arrive.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.09.05 16:01:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: coldplasma
Stealth bomber pops a guy in a belt and immediately warps to a safe spot and cloaks. Can concord find him? If not, is it legal to do this?

Bombs can't be used in highsec, and there's no CONCORD in 0.0

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2007.09.05 16:02:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: coldplasma
Stealth bomber pops a guy in a belt and immediately warps to a safe spot and cloaks. Can concord find him? If not, is it legal to do this?


Anyone who attacks another player illegally in high sec has to lose their ship or it's considered an exploit.

heheheh
Phoenix Club
Posted - 2007.09.05 16:05:00 - [6]
 

Is very possible but is an exploit.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.09.05 16:08:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: heheheh
Is very possible but is an exploit.

LaughingShockedTwisted Evil
Exploit ? Yes.
Possible ? No.

heheheh
Phoenix Club
Posted - 2007.09.05 16:10:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: heheheh
Is very possible but is an exploit.

LaughingShockedTwisted Evil
Exploit ? Yes.
Possible ? No.


It IS possible.
hush troll.

Asestorian
Domination.
Posted - 2007.09.05 16:24:00 - [9]
 

It is possible to outrun CONCORD, but it's quite difficult to do, and you'd need to be in a fast frigate. But it's still an exploit so there isn't much point.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.09.05 16:26:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 05/09/2007 16:27:18
Originally by: heheheh
It IS possible. hush troll.

I invite you to do something causing CONCORD to show up, warp off, cloak... then try to stay cloaked.
Originally by: Asestorian
It is possible to outrun CONCORD, but it's quite difficult to do, and you'd need to be in a fast frigate. But it's still an exploit so there isn't much point.

And when you stop, you die.

Asestorian
Domination.
Posted - 2007.09.05 16:28:00 - [11]
 

No, I think the thing is that eventually the aggro will run out, and CONCORD will stop chasing you. I don't know if this is true or not though, I've never tried it, I've only heard about it, and I have no idea if the sources were reliable.

Raikoubu
Posted - 2007.10.21 07:59:00 - [12]
 

Is there somewhere that it's posted by CCP that it's considered an exploit to run from the police if your a GD pirate? If that's actually true then it's F'ing ******ed. Bad guys run from the police. Why should it be different in EVE?

Ubaricous
Fat Children with Opinions
Posted - 2007.10.21 09:25:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Bombs can't be used in highsec, and there's no CONCORD in 0.0

And those bombers' cruise missiles? Wink

Concord will consider you a target for 15 minutes. As long as they successfully kill you before getting bored and going back to doughnuts, you're fine. If (for whatever reason) you don't want to be killed at the scene of the crime and warp off to a planet to be killed there instead, that's perfectly allowed.

Great Artista
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.10.21 09:30:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 05/09/2007 16:27:18
Originally by: heheheh
It IS possible. hush troll.

I invite you to do something causing CONCORD to show up, warp off, cloak... then try to stay cloaked.
Originally by: Asestorian
It is possible to outrun CONCORD, but it's quite difficult to do, and you'd need to be in a fast frigate. But it's still an exploit so there isn't much point.

And when you stop, you die.
Just make a wide circle of bms around the system, you'll allways be aligned to the next.
After 15 mins of succesfull warping around, you get banned by gm.

Laughing

Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.10.21 09:51:00 - [15]
 

It is not legal to escape the consequences of Concord, even in a stealth bomber.


000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2007.10.21 10:24:00 - [16]
 

It's a bannable offence to escape concord PERIOD

Fenren
Minmatar
Bure Astro Photography
Posted - 2007.10.21 10:37:00 - [17]
 

wow! I didnt know it was a banable offence... just thought a gm would pop you fro 300 ly and you would get a warning or something

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2007.10.21 11:22:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: coldplasma
Stealth bomber pops a guy in a belt and immediately warps to a safe spot and cloaks. Can concord find him? If not, is it legal to do this?

Bombs can't be used in highsec, and there's no CONCORD in 0.0


Where did he say anything about bombs?

SKUNK

Jacques Archambault


ISD YARR
Posted - 2007.10.21 12:06:00 - [19]
 

Please do not post about possible exploits (and how people can reproduce them) on the forums.

-Jacques

Raikoubu
Posted - 2007.10.21 20:32:00 - [20]
 

No, d****it, I'm serious. EVE is touted as being a realistic game as far as allowing there to be good guys and bad guys and not penalizing players for choosing one or the other. But hearing this makes it look like that's just so much BS just like other games that make that claim and then prefer one side to the other. If a player can build a tank that will allow them to escape CONCORD then they shouldn't be penalized for getting away. That's completely stupid. That's like saying that IRL if you rob a bank and escape the police then you'll get struck by lightning. If you can rob a bank and escape the police then, d****it, you get money. It's not nice to think about, but it happens.

If this game wants to call itself realistic then instead of calling things that are allowed by normal game mechanics 'exploits' then you should just make CONCORD a little more realistic and have them place bounties on escapees or have specialized CONCORD units that will hunt down an escapee.

FFS, imagine a game where you're allowed to be a criminal but not a fugitive....

Fenren
Minmatar
Bure Astro Photography
Posted - 2007.10.21 20:41:00 - [21]
 

but in real life the police wouldnt stop hunting you after 15 minutes

Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.10.21 20:51:00 - [22]
 

It's entirely possible but the situation that lets it happen is completely useless for trying to exploit it which is why its still able to be done.. Wink End result? No you cannot effectively evade Concords wrath by doing something that will get you a gain or cause somebody a loss in the game.. You *will* get instapwnd in every one of those instances..

Troezar
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.10.21 21:54:00 - [23]
 

So theoretically what happens if you eject before Concord arrive?

Some Caldari
Caldari
Sanguine Legion
Posted - 2007.10.21 22:09:00 - [24]
 

They'll probably waste your empty ship and then ignore you.

I'd laugh so damn hard if someone managed to build such a powerful ship (a metal Chuck Norris.) And managed to tank and kill CONCORD and fraps it all.

After I'd be very scared of coming into contact with the pilot.

mallina
Caldari
SUNDERING
Zenith Affinity
Posted - 2007.10.21 22:18:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Troezar
So theoretically what happens if you eject before Concord arrive?


The ship would still be flagged as "yours" until someone else boarded it, so CONCORD would destroy it regardless.
Try it with shuttles. Put 5-10 shuttles in a belt, then come back in a noobship, shoot someone and enjoy the momentary fireworks as all 10 simultaneously explode.

XxSapienxX
Posted - 2007.10.21 22:38:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Some Caldari



I'd laugh so damn hard if someone managed to build such a powerful ship (a metal Chuck Norris.) And managed to tank and kill CONCORD and fraps it all.




See the thing is.... It has been done 100's of times with great effect. Many moons ago... Razz


Raikoubu
Posted - 2007.10.22 02:15:00 - [27]
 

"but in real life the police wouldnt stop hunting you after 15 minutes"

Which is sort of what I'm on about. Rather than calling playing the game effectively an exploit just make CONCORD more realistic. An exploit is finding and using a non-intended game mechanic or bug to give an unfair advantage. Having a tank that can stand up to CONCORD is not something that's non-intended as far as game mechanics. If they want CONCORD to be sure to pop anyone who crosses them then give them 100x bonuses to resistance and damages and add a system-wide warp scram and web to criminals then code the gates to prevent jumping and stations to prevent docking during a crime countdown.

My point is that to say that you'll get banned for running from the police is mentally disabled. And it's also mentally disabled to censor the more commonly used term for 'mentally disabled'.

Maybe I'm just in a foul mood...

YouWant MeBanned
Posted - 2007.10.22 02:25:00 - [28]
 

What if you were to shoot someone, and take off in a straight line at 13km/s?

Blind Man
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2007.10.22 02:30:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Blind Man on 22/10/2007 02:30:57
theres no way they can enforce this tbh, unless the person who died somehow knew that the person escaped concord death... also you dont have to warp around for the full 15 mins only about a minute and you will be able to dock afaik

Originally by: YouWant MeBanned
What if you were to shoot someone, and take off in a straight line at 13km/s?



doubt a ship that can kill anything reasonable in high sec in a few seconds could go that fast, or sustain that speed for any amount of time

Feng Schui
Minmatar
Cruor Evertum Dominicus
Posted - 2007.10.22 02:33:00 - [30]
 

i'm pretty sure that concord can warp scramble, web, neut, and ecm the entire grid. And they insta-lock, so... yea.

but it is possible to evade concord, and there are systems in which you can, but as everyone has mentioned, its bannable. (i managed to evade concord in a nano-rifter - accidentally fired on someone in the gang), but I ended up dying after 8 minutes of warping... i accidentally warped to a moon, and that moon had a POS, with offense modules Embarassed, and a good 50-100 cans in space.

lagged out and died :(


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