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TWD
Evolution
KenZoku
Posted - 2007.09.04 00:48:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: TWD on 04/09/2007 01:48:22
Are you making sure that teams that were in the same pool are not going to meet eachother again until the finals in the knockout stage? (If both teams make it)

Looking at the pool results from the second tournament (links for the third don't seem to work) @ link and the knockout results @ link the number #1 in a pool would meet the number #2 in the semi's again.

Edit: removed some non useful stuff.

Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2007.09.04 07:52:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: TWD
Are you making sure that teams that were in the same pool are not going to meet eachother again until the finals in the knockout stage?


It looks like the answer to this is no. It is entirely possible to meet the other team that advances from your pool in the quarterfinals of the tournament. You simply both have to win your Group of 16 match and there you have it. I don't exactly see it as a bad thing either. You can fight someone you may have had a really good, exciting fight within your pool and try to outwit them again. Also gives a little sense of rivalry for those competing and those watching. With alliances fighting one another that sometimes never see each other from across New Eden, a little history between alliances is a good thing.

Dohl

Vando
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.09.04 08:59:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Vando on 04/09/2007 09:01:21
Originally by: TWD
Edited by: TWD on 04/09/2007 01:48:22
Are you making sure that teams that were in the same pool are not going to meet eachother again until the finals in the knockout stage? (If both teams make it)

Looking at the pool results from the second tournament (links for the third don't seem to work) @ link and the knockout results @ link the number #1 in a pool would meet the number #2 in the semi's again.

Edit: removed some non useful stuff.

I mentioned this in IRC two days ago, and was told it would be looked at.

I also gave them this handy 'how to structure a tourney' thing: http://vando.org/cstourney.xls

dalman
TunDraGon
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.09.04 09:53:00 - [4]
 

/me recalls last tournament...
Then they put out a schedule where teams from same group would meet in semi (after the original schedule were correct). As this is completely ******ed, we protested a bit about that and it was sorted.

I assume it will be sorted again.
It's like the golden rule of all tournaments that teams from the same group should not be able to meet again until in the final.

Faichan Kangri
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2007.09.08 20:37:00 - [5]
 

Bumping this.

moroti
TALON'S GRIP
Green Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:20:00 - [6]
 

This seems very strange and not what was expected.

Sgt Jinxed
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:21:00 - [7]
 

Seriously they need to fix this.
It makes absolutely no sense.

Devoras2
Amarr
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:24:00 - [8]
 

Even RL tourney`s like fottie dont even have this structure for the last 16. Its weird to find it like this.

Dev


csebal
HUN Corp.
HUN Reloaded
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:25:00 - [9]
 

/signed

They have to:
- reorganize the elimination schedule, so that teams from same group end up on the opposite sides of the table.
- re-think the consequences of the tie-breaker rule where winner is decided based on points from group stage
- add an extra match to decide between the 3rd and 4th place.

Di Jiensai
Gallente
Domination.
THE KLINGONS
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:26:00 - [10]
 

double signed.
This means that you would have a lot of repeated fights.
and that cant be the idea.

So, go and sort it out please, before we all have to watch again the same fights that happened before.

If you do it right, ony in the final there can be a repeat match.


GM Faolchu


Game Masters
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:32:00 - [11]
 

I am aware of this and I've been trying to poke Nova, I will talk to him and try to get it looked into or explained asap.

Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:32:00 - [12]
 


Sigh, I only just noticed this... Whos bright idea was that?

"I know lad's we will mix it up for one round, then back to peoples normal groups"

All respect to Nova you have done a grand job mate, but please review this before its too late.

elaromwol
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:34:00 - [13]
 

this better get looked at/fixed before its too late, I'd hate to miss out on some REALLY entertaining matches in the final due to a mix-up

Faichan Kangri
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:34:00 - [14]
 

Posting what I posted in the other thread:

DO NOT RESCHEDULE THE CURRENT LAST 16 MATCHES

You will end up with teams believing they are playing at a different time than they actually are.

THE CURRENT LAST 16 FIXTURES WORK

You just have to change where the fixtures are placed initially in the tree.

jamesw
Omniscient Order
Cruel Intentions
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:35:00 - [15]
 

I fully endorse this thread/concept/product/idea.

Bek
Dark Cartel
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:35:00 - [16]
 

Endorsing in this thread in light of the other locked thread.

Information Taker
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:35:00 - [17]
 

I hope this gets changed, otherwise we're missing out on some REALLY interesting grudge matches in the final, and that's a waste of entertainment!

Destineer
Gallente
Caldari Navy Raiders
Praesidium Libertatis
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:40:00 - [18]
 

Please just fix this, all I can say really

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:42:00 - [19]
 

Endorsing because the other thread directed me here upon lock. It's a stupid mistake, and very easily fixed by changing the NEXT round.

Currently, the matchups are this:

W271 + W272
W273 + W274
W275 + W276
W277 + W278

Instead, it needs to be like this:

W271 + W273
W272 + W274
W275 + W277
W276 + W278


None of the currently fixed matchups will change, and no scheduling calamities.

Turix
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:43:00 - [20]
 

I agree this is a massive mess up on the GM's part, need to be corrected asap, ie before we start fighting tomorrow.

TWD
Evolution
KenZoku
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:45:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: TWD on 08/09/2007 21:45:55
W271 15:00 - IAC (A1) vs Pandemic Legion (B2)
W272 15:20 - Band of Brothers (C1) vs The Star Fraction (D2)
W273 15:40 - The Five (E1) vs Nebula Rasa (F2)
W274 16:00 - Atlas Alliance (G1) vs Hun Reloaded (H2)
W275 16:20 - The Ronin (B1) vs Morsus Mihi (A2)
W276 16:40 - Cruel Intentions (D1) vs Kia Alliance (C2)
W277 17:00 - Axiom Empire (F1) vs Fatal Alliance (E2)
W278 17:20 - Terra Incognita (H1) vs Roadkill (G2)

W279 18:00 - W271 vs W272
W280 18:20 - W273 vs W274
W281 18:40 - W275 vs W276
W282 19:00 - W277 vs W278

W283 20:00 - W279 vs W280
W284 20:30 - W281 vs W281

W285 21:30 - W283 vs W284


= A correct schedule and copy of the tournament last time.

Faichan Kangri
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2007.09.08 21:48:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: TWD
Edited by: TWD on 08/09/2007 21:45:55
W271 15:00 - IAC (A1) vs Pandemic Legion (B2)
W272 15:20 - Band of Brothers (C1) vs The Star Fraction (D2)
W273 15:40 - The Five (E1) vs Nebula Rasa (F2)
W274 16:00 - Atlas Alliance (G1) vs Hun Reloaded (H2)
W275 16:20 - The Ronin (B1) vs Morsus Mihi (A2)
W276 16:40 - Cruel Intentions (D1) vs Kia Alliance (C2)
W277 17:00 - Axiom Empire (F1) vs Fatal Alliance (E2)
W278 17:20 - Terra Incognita (H1) vs Roadkill (G2)

W279 18:00 - W271 vs W272
W280 18:20 - W273 vs W274
W281 18:40 - W275 vs W276
W282 19:00 - W277 vs W278

W283 20:00 - W279 vs W280
W284 20:30 - W281 vs W282

W285 21:30 - W283 vs W284


= A correct schedule and copy of the tournament last time.

But, its probably better to change the tree instead of the draw. Otherwise people that thought they were playing later (eg. Star Fraction) may miss their match as it was already announced as a later fixture.

Shivaja
CHON
THE R0NIN
Posted - 2007.09.08 22:04:00 - [23]
 

What more can i say Question GM's Please fix this Exclamation


Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.09.08 22:19:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: TWD
Edited by: TWD on 08/09/2007 21:45:55
W271 15:00 - IAC (A1) vs Pandemic Legion (B2)
W272 15:20 - Band of Brothers (C1) vs The Star Fraction (D2)
W273 15:40 - The Five (E1) vs Nebula Rasa (F2)
W274 16:00 - Atlas Alliance (G1) vs Hun Reloaded (H2)
W275 16:20 - The Ronin (B1) vs Morsus Mihi (A2)
W276 16:40 - Cruel Intentions (D1) vs Kia Alliance (C2)
W277 17:00 - Axiom Empire (F1) vs Fatal Alliance (E2)
W278 17:20 - Terra Incognita (H1) vs Roadkill (G2)

W279 18:00 - W271 vs W272
W280 18:20 - W273 vs W274
W281 18:40 - W275 vs W276
W282 19:00 - W277 vs W278

W283 20:00 - W279 vs W280
W284 20:30 - W281 vs W281

W285 21:30 - W283 vs W284


= A correct schedule and copy of the tournament last time.


Even if doing it this way is far less likely to see IAC make it as far as semi-finals I still think this is how it should be.

Sort it please.

ChaosBlade
Posted - 2007.09.08 22:19:00 - [25]
 

Seriously if u change the matches people will not arrive to their matches on the time they were expecting, and the whole tournament will be a complete waste of time as u will have teams dropping left right and centre, especially some of the smaller alliances who donít have as many members as the super alliances.

ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2007.09.08 22:29:00 - [26]
 

Indeed this is weird.
I'm sure changing the times a bit won't matter. And if a team has a problem with the new times, the GM's should be lenient...

Kayleigh Lothian
Minmatar
Obsidian Inc.
Posted - 2007.09.08 22:34:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: TWD
Edited by: TWD on 08/09/2007 21:45:55
W271 15:00 - IAC (A1) vs Pandemic Legion (B2)
W272 15:20 - Band of Brothers (C1) vs The Star Fraction (D2)
W273 15:40 - The Five (E1) vs Nebula Rasa (F2)
W274 16:00 - Atlas Alliance (G1) vs Hun Reloaded (H2)
W275 16:20 - The Ronin (B1) vs Morsus Mihi (A2)
W276 16:40 - Cruel Intentions (D1) vs Kia Alliance (C2)
W277 17:00 - Axiom Empire (F1) vs Fatal Alliance (E2)
W278 17:20 - Terra Incognita (H1) vs Roadkill (G2)

W279 18:00 - W271 vs W272
W280 18:20 - W273 vs W274
W281 18:40 - W275 vs W276
W282 19:00 - W277 vs W278

W283 20:00 - W279 vs W280
W284 20:30 - W281 vs W282

W285 21:30 - W283 vs W284


= A correct schedule and copy of the tournament last time.

Fixed Wink

Pepzo Sebiest
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.09.08 22:34:00 - [28]
 

I was just going to ask about this and I really hope the GMs will look into it.

ShuPac the3rd
Amarr
BALKAN EXPRESS
B A L E X
Posted - 2007.09.08 23:00:00 - [29]
 

I just want to say that person who created table has absolutely no idea about creating knockout phase after group stages are finished!

Shame on you whoever you are and shame on CCP

Tropheus Moori
Posted - 2007.09.08 23:07:00 - [30]
 

I hope that this will be fixed. This is just redicoulus. Otherwise a good torny. Fix this one and it seems more legit.


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