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Sali Ennt
HLHS Industries
Posted - 2007.08.29 04:20:00 - [241]
 

* Station refinery quote was locked at 5% in some cases, regardless of skills or standings, this has been fixed.

Still is locked for me, though the behavior I'm seeing is slightly different than the patch note.

The refine screen shows it is taking 5%, but it is actually taking the 5% plus the amount that I am supposed to get as a reduction due to my corp standings. The more missions I run, the more minerals they want for a refine.

Bug 42201.


Rackar al'Ulqua
Phearless Naughty and Ugly Scoundrels
Talocan United
Posted - 2007.08.29 04:52:00 - [242]
 

Wow guys, I was really proud of you thus far until now.

I am having problems with common.ini after replacing the bin folder. Going to submit a bug report, but this sucks. I installed the patch at work and set a shorter skill training. Now I am losing time from home because of this.

RaidenMagmus
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.08.29 05:03:00 - [243]
 

You guys really dropped the ball on this one. Took me 10 minutes to update both my eve clients. Both gave the hanging screen on "X files located in /bin, want to look at memory dump?". Seriously, what gives? :(

I had to re-download the client, which took 7 hours because of network congestion (either on your end, or mine). Then on top of that it still failed to load. I had to go in, delete all non-config files, and try again. Now all my in-game configuration stuff is gone.

Worst patch day I've ever had in 2 years. And putting a announcement on the Eve Client page is sorta silly when it doesn't get that far when you run the client.

Dax Kino
Posted - 2007.08.29 06:21:00 - [244]
 

You guys suck at making patches, Now I have to download the full client, a 2-1/2 hour download.Rolling Eyes
By the way check the patch servers, there is probably 2 or 3 bad versions of the patch on there that you forgot to delete before going live.

ZelRox
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.08.29 06:57:00 - [245]
 

Originally by: ZelRox
The error : Linkage

Ocured after the patch. I have 2 computers, stationary and a laptop.
Eve installation on the laptop patched fine. And works.
Eve installation on the stationary experiences the error.

Steps taken :
- Uninstalled the client, deleted everything eve related.
- Copied working eve installation from laptop to stationary via a usb stick, it results in the error above (wich is weird, does the crc check have something to do with some kind of pc id ?).
- Reinstalled the client, same error.
- Reinstalled the client once more, using bin downloaded from front page, same error as above.
- Posted here :)


Problem solved, i clicked a file yesterday without virusscanning it first.Embarassed Rebooted, widows wouldn't load completly, Format C: ftw. Eve works now from a freshly downloaded client.

Wizzkidy
Posted - 2007.08.29 07:04:00 - [246]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Edited by: CCP Greyscale on 28/08/2007 22:38:41
I'll be looking into the Multispec situation first thing tomorrow morning


Thanks, guess its a little early to ask whats going on you might not have had your coffee yet Wink

Tairon Usaro
The X-Trading Company
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.08.29 07:34:00 - [247]
 

More and more i get the feeling it is time to leave this game. Why ? Because developers are apparently loosing contact with the spirit of their game.

Examples ?

Booster
in now for more than 6 Month, nobody is using them. Even if CCP start tweaking them into something usable, the whole concept is destabilzing PvP hence decreasing fun instead of increasing. Complex games are fun games (at least for smart people), so more complex games are more fun ?? NO ! There is a cut-off. Chess with more than six types of chessmen would not be more fun cause it spawns already enough complexity. The mistake CCP is making here is extending the complexity to something, where you have 20 types of chessmen and you pull the chessmen randomly from a bag ... => lottery but no strategy fun anymore

This fundamental missunderstanding of Fun and Game-Complexity in MMOs was tested years ago with Ultima Online with the Age of Shadows patch, which marked a sharp decline of customers.

If you want to increase the fun you should not put more complexity into a already sufficently complex game mechanics, but into something orthogonal something totally new.

Heat
Yet another pointless concept, making PvP gameplay more arbitrary and less strategic

POS warfare
the relocation of the POS armament did NOTHING to the core problem with POS warefare actually it even made problems with blobing even worse.


recent Examples?

Rev 2.2. patches

Interdictor warp disrupt probes will now prevent warp, even if the warp is already initiated.

Current standard strategy is in many scenarios to initate warp and then drop a bubble and let you mates finish the hostile off. That is gone now
The net effect is, that the interdictor becomes even more a suicide ship than it was before. Fun? i dont think so !

You can no longer generate a cyno field within a Starbase force field.

what is the ******** point of this ?????? the most lame tactics in PvP is bumping. While titan bowling used to be an expoit where supercapitals tried to warp into a hostile POS and bumped out unmanned ships, CCP just reintroduced here the concept "Capital Bowling" in reverse. Fun ? Mabye for the frig pilot that bumps a capital out of range of POS before they enter forcefield... but is it really FUN to use the most lamest tactics to kill the most expensive ships at the cost of nothing ?

opening cynos within forcefields used to be an intended game mechanic for more than what ? 2 years ? Who was so arrogant and decided that it needed to be changed ?

Coupling arrays and other silos no longer reprocess into too many minerals compared to their buy price.

This is the probably the most scathing patch piece within 2.2. While CCP was confronted with a large protest movement from their customers ,when they disclosed their planning for mineral compression of low value minerals, they decided to stealth patch the pricing for it and label a common practice used since inception of the china server and also commonly used on Tranquility to lower the burdens for high volume needs for low priced minerals as an "exploit" thus avoiding the enragement prior disclosing the final patch notes.

Mining is a quite boaring profession in this game, making it more lucrative does not make it more fun. This is a sandbox ! Who are you, that you force people into a certain gameplay by nerfing others.


Sorry, but my conclusion for the whole Revelation expansion and 2.2. in particular is, that CCP looses more and more connection to the gameplay and spirit of this game defined by their customes and becomes more and more glueless about customers needs and wishes ... such as SOE with Star Wars galaxies

/sarcasm_on
When do we get the EVE:New Game Enhancements patch ?
/sarcasm_off

a dissappointed customer


Ashden
Posted - 2007.08.29 07:36:00 - [248]
 

Edited by: Ashden on 29/08/2007 08:08:24

I did the patch got the error reinstalled with new client,got the ddl verification error, went though the forum.. ref'd my bin files to list.. half the files listed here arn't in my bin files now? this mean complete re-install and such... ? cause the new clinet from the site here.. seem broken?? oh was pumped for the dump file said yes to veiw.. the window closed nothing popped up for me to read

*edit removed quote*
after a while of getting fed up.. messing about... I completely uninstalled teh game.. used
CCleaner to remove ol dreg keys.. and completely whiped CCP from my HD . it was as though the computer was virgin to eve.. although now again I have most likely resetup my in game pref. but at least I can log on now..
*win xp sp 2*

Xer'ik Noxia
Posted - 2007.08.29 07:55:00 - [249]
 

I have a problem logging in, when i try an error shows up saying:

"Could not connect to the specified address. Odds are that you have not established an internet connection, the server isn't running, or the server address or port number was wrong."

Obviously i have an internet connection, I already tried re-installing the client but that didn't help. Any ideas?

Ashden
Posted - 2007.08.29 08:10:00 - [250]
 

Originally by: Xer'ik Noxia
I have a problem logging in, when i try an error shows up saying:

"Could not connect to the specified address. Odds are that you have not established an internet connection, the server isn't running, or the server address or port number was wrong."

Obviously i have an internet connection, I already tried re-installing the client but that didn't help. Any ideas?


might try checkingyou Fire wall if any, and check router as well.. maybe give her a restart and reset modem? just a thought.. not atech in anyway

gordon861
Minmatar
PROGENITOR CORPORATION
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.08.29 08:13:00 - [251]
 

Originally by: Mal Foronzonost
The volume of the warp sound has been lowered!

Yea!!!!

(Im sure this was already said in the preceeding 8 pages that we won't all really read) - my 2 cents

I read 90% of the patch notes though Smile




The sound seems louder than ever now, and it all comes through the bass unit. I'm going to have to turn sound off or risk waking all the neighbours when I warp or cloak.

Verite Rendition
Caldari
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2007.08.29 08:16:00 - [252]
 

Originally by: Tairon Usaro
stuff
A very angry post, but surprisingly correct/sobering. CCP should listen to this.

Swedish Bob
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.08.29 08:21:00 - [253]
 

Edited by: Swedish Bob on 29/08/2007 08:22:21
Originally by: Tairon Usaro

a dissappointed customer



I really have to agree with most of this. More and more it seems that CCP changes things, but have no real idea how they will turn out. Such as the hated mineral compression nerf. You guys had no transitional plan or any real concept of what it was going to do to many players. Just bam, no compression anymore lol good luck. That idea as it was presented should have been knocked down after a couple design meetings. A better choice would have been to get alternative mechanics in place with an announced and ordered phaseout. But you never seem to do that, you always put the cart before the horse.

Along with the statements in Talron's post and the disingenuous nature of the coupling array nerf. I would say the stated purpose of the "Need for Speed" series of patches really hasn't panned out. The server is slightly more responsive. On the other hand the cluster crashed every other day until recently. Also players constantly desync under load or are just plain lagged out. The server doesn't crash, but you still can't do anything.

I guess the problem is CCP promises a whole bunch but really doesn't deliver on key items a lot of the time. Hell, something simple like the item database being updated in a timely manner still hasn't happened. Or the eve "players guide", eve mobile, various tool improvements.

Is there some ultra huge patch that totally remakes eve in the works besides the DX10 client? If so let us know.

Xer'ik Noxia
Posted - 2007.08.29 08:26:00 - [254]
 

Tried rebooting everything, and checked everything, it all checked out, but the same error keeps showing up. Its the same for all the servers too. I don't know how to change the server address or port number, or if I can even do that on my end. Any more advice?

Sinder Ohm
Demonic Corp
G00DFELLAS
Posted - 2007.08.29 08:28:00 - [255]
 

First off patch deployment worked first time by me no problems there well done Smile

Problems and criticism:
Skilltraining:

When I change a skill the white box by the current skill training flashes white, if I close the char sheet then reopen it, the white box disapears, its not the end of the world just wanted to point it out.

Rouge Drone commanders:

Firstly thanks for eventually giving them to us and for fixing our astroid belts and looking at the respawn rate.

But are they meant to suck that much? I have a few friends that found some in the belts ( I havent personally yet, only in plexes till now). Lets compare rouge drone Commanders to the other NPC commander spawns:

Rouge commander spawn:
Usually NO LOOT, NO BOUNTY, SOMETIMES salvages for t2 salvage and SOMETIMES you get NOTHING.

Normal commander spawn:
ALWAYS loot sometimes faction sometimes not, BIG FAT BOUNTY, sometimes salvages for T2 sometimes not.

Is this meant to be like this?? I dont find this is balanced CCP could someone please comment on that.

Thanks

Sinder.




Sawada
Gallente
EVE First Finance
Posted - 2007.08.29 08:34:00 - [256]
 

Hello,

im very angry about CCP. I feel cheated.
I tested EVE about 3 days, encountered i cant handle an industrial while in trial period.
So I signed up, just on Monday. Everything went fine until this patch came out.
Im a Linux user! I bought cedega+EVE to have gaming pleasure. I melted about 40.00 EUR for nothing.

I tested arround with cedeaga and with wine. The entries in the prefs.ini do not work!
Im very sorry, but if CCP is not going to act on this soon, then Ill close my account just after 1 day gaming pleasure.

Tanks to CCP!
I hope you wont shrug your shoulders on this, I guess there are many linux gamers, which feel exactly the same like me on this.

I hope to hear about this soon.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2007.08.29 08:51:00 - [257]
 

Edited by: Venkul Mul on 29/08/2007 09:01:12
Originally by: Tairon Usaro

More and more i get the feeling it is time to leave this game. Why ? Because developers are apparently loosing contact with the spirit of their game.
recent Examples?

Rev 2.2. patches

Interdictor warp disrupt probes will now prevent warp, even if the warp is already initiated.

Current standard strategy is in many scenarios to initate warp and then drop a bubble and let you mates finish the hostile off. That is gone now
The net effect is, that the interdictor becomes even more a suicide ship than it was before. Fun? i dont think so !

You can no longer generate a cyno field within a Starbase force field.

what is the ******** point of this ?????? the most lame tactics in PvP is bumping. While titan bowling used to be an expoit where supercapitals tried to warp into a hostile POS and bumped out unmanned ships, CCP just reintroduced here the concept "Capital Bowling" in reverse. Fun ? Mabye for the frig pilot that bumps a capital out of range of POS before they enter forcefield... but is it really FUN to use the most lamest tactics to kill the most expensive ships at the cost of nothing ?

opening cynos within forcefields used to be an intended game mechanic for more than what ? 2 years ? Who was so arrogant and decided that it needed to be changed ?

Coupling arrays and other silos no longer reprocess into too many minerals compared to their buy price.

This is the probably the most scathing patch piece within 2.2. While CCP was confronted with a large protest movement from their customers ,when they disclosed their planning for mineral compression of low value minerals, they decided to stealth patch the pricing for it and label a common practice used since inception of the china server and also commonly used on Tranquility to lower the burdens for high volume needs for low priced minerals as an "exploit" thus avoiding the enragement prior disclosing the final patch notes.

Mining is a quite boaring profession in this game, making it more lucrative does not make it more fun. This is a sandbox ! Who are you, that you force people into a certain gameplay by nerfing others.


Sorry, but my conclusion for the whole Revelation expansion and 2.2. in particular is, that CCP looses more and more connection to the gameplay and spirit of this game defined by their customes and becomes more and more glueless about customers needs and wishes ... such as SOE with Star Wars galaxies



I feel your examples are the worst reasons to be disappointed:

Interdictor and warp bubbles: so you want total inpunity for interdictors? Warp in, warp out, drop bubble, block other ship from warping but you warp safetly?

Cyno field in POS - I have seen a lot of threads and posts lamenting 0 risk pos refueling and hauling with jumpships. It is not my field of work but it seem a reasonable change.

POS items refining in a larger mineral value than the cost of the item or in a so large mineral quantity to effectively capping mineral prices? For you that is a positive feature? For me it is an exploit as POS modules are NPC produced and sold and the esistence of similar modules is effectively damaging all the mining player activity.


Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2007.08.29 08:53:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: Xer'ik Noxia
I have a problem logging in, when i try an error shows up saying:

"Could not connect to the specified address. Odds are that you have not established an internet connection, the server isn't running, or the server address or port number was wrong."

Obviously i have an internet connection, I already tried re-installing the client but that didn't help. Any ideas?


Your firewall don't recognize EVE as the program is changed and is blocking it?

invY Ancoron
Minmatar
Posted - 2007.08.29 09:00:00 - [259]
 

Edited by: invY Ancoron on 29/08/2007 09:06:25
Originally by: Sawada
Hello,

im very angry about CCP. I feel cheated.
I tested EVE about 3 days, encountered i cant handle an industrial while in trial period.
So I signed up, just on Monday. Everything went fine until this patch came out.
Im a Linux user! I bought cedega+EVE to have gaming pleasure. I melted about 40.00 EUR for nothing.

I tested arround with cedeaga and with wine. The entries in the prefs.ini do not work!
Im very sorry, but if CCP is not going to act on this soon, then Ill close my account just after 1 day gaming pleasure.

Tanks to CCP!
I hope you wont shrug your shoulders on this, I guess there are many linux gamers, which feel exactly the same like me on this.

I hope to hear about this soon.



It runs with wine (not every version!) and sound disabled.
see This Thread

Farleen Delgardo
Posted - 2007.08.29 09:10:00 - [260]
 

Ive reinstalled the Client, but the Error CRC-Error comes again. Ive tryed also the method, of deleting and reinstall the bin-folder. No Chance. Crying or Very sad
Have anyone a Idea, wahat happens?ugh

Xer'ik Noxia
Posted - 2007.08.29 09:10:00 - [261]
 

Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Xer'ik Noxia
I have a problem logging in, when i try an error shows up saying:

"Could not connect to the specified address. Odds are that you have not established an internet connection, the server isn't running, or the server address or port number was wrong."

Obviously i have an internet connection, I already tried re-installing the client but that didn't help. Any ideas?


Your firewall don't recognize EVE as the program is changed and is blocking it?


Maybe, but my firewall isn't raising any flags, and i can't check my firewall since Norton is like crazy crappy good for nothing. So that might be the problem, but the eve client says its a problem with the server.

Nova Star
Gallente
Gurgleblaster Industries
Posted - 2007.08.29 09:19:00 - [262]
 

What about Creative Alchemy which REQUIRES us to copy DSOUND.DLL and DSOUND.INI into Eve bin folder. Since Eve does not support OpenAL this is required for XFi/Audigy users under Windows Vista to enable HW accelerated DirectSound audio.

Please see this post: Vista, Creative Alchemy and Soundblaster X-Fi (latest patch)


LvxOccvlta
Posted - 2007.08.29 09:22:00 - [263]
 

Originally by: Venkul Mul
Edited by: Venkul Mul on 29/08/2007 09:01:12
Originally by: Tairon Usaro

More and more i get the feeling it is time to leave this game. Why ? Because developers are apparently loosing contact with the spirit of their game.
recent Examples?

Rev 2.2. patches

Interdictor warp disrupt probes will now prevent warp, even if the warp is already initiated.

Current standard strategy is in many scenarios to initate warp and then drop a bubble and let you mates finish the hostile off. That is gone now
The net effect is, that the interdictor becomes even more a suicide ship than it was before. Fun? i dont think so !

You can no longer generate a cyno field within a Starbase force field.

what is the ******** point of this ?????? the most lame tactics in PvP is bumping. While titan bowling used to be an expoit where supercapitals tried to warp into a hostile POS and bumped out unmanned ships, CCP just reintroduced here the concept "Capital Bowling" in reverse. Fun ? Mabye for the frig pilot that bumps a capital out of range of POS before they enter forcefield... but is it really FUN to use the most lamest tactics to kill the most expensive ships at the cost of nothing ?

opening cynos within forcefields used to be an intended game mechanic for more than what ? 2 years ? Who was so arrogant and decided that it needed to be changed ?

Coupling arrays and other silos no longer reprocess into too many minerals compared to their buy price.

This is the probably the most scathing patch piece within 2.2. While CCP was confronted with a large protest movement from their customers ,when they disclosed their planning for mineral compression of low value minerals, they decided to stealth patch the pricing for it and label a common practice used since inception of the china server and also commonly used on Tranquility to lower the burdens for high volume needs for low priced minerals as an "exploit" thus avoiding the enragement prior disclosing the final patch notes.

Mining is a quite boaring profession in this game, making it more lucrative does not make it more fun. This is a sandbox ! Who are you, that you force people into a certain gameplay by nerfing others.


Sorry, but my conclusion for the whole Revelation expansion and 2.2. in particular is, that CCP looses more and more connection to the gameplay and spirit of this game defined by their customes and becomes more and more glueless about customers needs and wishes ... such as SOE with Star Wars galaxies



I feel your examples are the worst reasons to be disappointed:

Interdictor and warp bubbles: so you want total inpunity for interdictors? Warp in, warp out, drop bubble, block other ship from warping but you warp safetly?

Cyno field in POS - I have seen a lot of threads and posts lamenting 0 risk pos refueling and hauling with jumpships. It is not my field of work but it seem a reasonable change.

POS items refining in a larger mineral value than the cost of the item or in a so large mineral quantity to effectively capping mineral prices? For you that is a positive feature? For me it is an exploit as POS modules are NPC produced and sold and the esistence of similar modules is effectively damaging all the mining player activity.




Ugh... you missed each of those points completely.

Nevermind.

Noxic
Posted - 2007.08.29 09:25:00 - [264]
 

OMG shock OMG the horror..The Autopilot is broken...OMG OMG OMG..it Laaaaagggsss.. you can manually select things and the ap lags behind like a sad sad old fart........

Noxic
Posted - 2007.08.29 09:29:00 - [265]
 

heheh in True Eve style CCP fix a few things and break another hundred. got to love the incompetence of the programming staff....oh wait ..am i trolling.... Laughing. should of listened to the real eve-testers back when they cared about eve online.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.08.29 09:51:00 - [266]
 

Originally by: Skinny Puppyy
Imfao the reason that there are so many problems with this this patch is because God is punishing CCP for the nos nerf. Fortunatly I've had no problems patching but I would imagine that most people that are having problems were the ones that welcomed the nos nerf. Repent now or forever be dammed :)

I love the nos nerf and no issues here btw.

Originally by: Renosha Argaron
and when i can open the char sheet, i can only open 1 section of skills at a time for some reason.

Click on the settings tab and untick the box for the "one skill tree at a time" feature.

Originally by: Noxic
OMG shock OMG the horror..The Autopilot is broken...OMG OMG OMG..it Laaaaagggsss.. you can manually select things and the ap lags behind like a sad sad old fart........

Works just fine here.

Abyss Wyrm
Caldari
We Don't Need This POS Anyway
Posted - 2007.08.29 09:58:00 - [267]
 

Edited by: Abyss Wyrm on 29/08/2007 10:02:23
Downloaded NEWEST client.
And it dont work
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/713/crash3lb1.jpg

Looks like the problem is very clear for me.
Client cant normaly work with CRC now, think that HEALTHY files is corrupted, and refuse to work.
As so called "corrupted" files is complitely the same, at least ExeFile.exe same as one from EVE_bin.zip!

"Doctor, may be at least reanimation?!"
"Stop to argue with the doctor, I have told in a mortuary - means in a mortuary!"

Ruffles
Posted - 2007.08.29 10:00:00 - [268]
 

Edited by: Ruffles on 29/08/2007 11:56:39
Wrangler,


There must have been some power grid changes to the Sacrilege that have not been listed. The previously working 3 laser, 3 heavy assault missile launcher load out I had working prior to the patch now doesn't seem to work.

This doesn't seem to be listed in the patch notes. It seems quite a significant loss of about 86-100 power grid (after skills).

Was this planned/expected, or is this a buggette?

The load that used to work is listed as follow, just for working reference to see for yourselves whatever change may have been made to power grid that wasn't listed:

High Slot Modules:
3 x Heavy Modal Pulse Laser I
3 x 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I

Mid Slot Modules:
1 x Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
1 x Target Painter II
1 x X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
1 x Cap Recharger II

Low Slot Modules:
2 x Medium Armor Repairer II
1 x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1 x True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane
1 x Capacitor Power Relay II


Update:
Found listed in this Dev blog, but not listed in the main patch notes where other ship modifications to CPU and Power Grid were mentioned.

The first dev blog mentions cut to powergrid for the Sacrilege, the second mentions the fact that they are going to keep 4 turret slots for laser users with no or weak missile skills.

Problem being it's going to be hard for those people to keep a working loadout, as they were always tight for powergrid before the reduction.

Might just be nice to clear this up one way or another. Adjusting the patch notes to reflect the changes, or reverting powergrid for the time being until people have been given time to adapt to the missile changes. Very Happy

CCP Greyscale

Posted - 2007.08.29 10:29:00 - [269]
 

Update on Multispecs: it seems that the change that was supposed to go in is slightly more involved than we thought. I'm chasing it up now.

Nova Star
Gallente
Gurgleblaster Industries
Posted - 2007.08.29 10:37:00 - [270]
 

I don't mean to be pushy but can we please get a answer for the Creative Alchemy problem? This is forcing us to run Eve Online audio in software only mode and it is not very acceptable.

I need to be able to copy DSOUND.DLL and DSOUND.INI into Eve Online Bin directory. Alchemy will also generate a log file into that directory so it should be accepted also.



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