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Isaaik Morgan
Amarr
Posted - 2007.08.10 15:48:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Marna Kay
I have never before heard of the work of Dr. Kratas. Something that doesn’t surprise me overmuch since the average level of genetic research inside the Amarrian Empire is some years behind the leading scientific institutes in the wider cluster. Still I will take your word that this report is genuine (in intention) and first principles of routine genetic analysis were practised as honestly as the primitive conditions allowed you.




You very obviously are not familiar with Dark Seraph facilities, nor their methods.

Originally by: Rakiro
So the question now appears to be: Who should we believe? The strangely eloquent Minmatar eager to make a few ISK, or the Dark Seraph rep who clearly has some vested interest in keeping Revan where she is?



And where would my interests lie?

Isaaik Morgan.


The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2007.08.10 16:05:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 10/08/2007 21:27:41
Originally by: Isaaik Morgan

You very obviously are not familiar with Dark Seraph facilities, nor their methods.



I feel sure Ms Kay would benefit from a period of familiarisation with said facilities and the methods employed therein.

Not before I have the pleasure of showing her around my own, mind you!

The offer remains open, my dear. Put aside this tawdry effort at mere financial enrichment and allow me to open the storehouse of knowledge, not to mention self-knowledge, before your innocent eyes. The experience may be... taxing but in the end you will be transformed. I fancy you will even thank me, despite the rigors of the way, for being your guide on the pilgrim trail of the transhumanist sciences.

The Cosmopolite

Verjigorm
Dark Seraph
Order of the Black Cross
Posted - 2007.08.10 16:59:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Verjigorm on 10/08/2007 16:59:48
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Isaaik Morgan

You very obviously are not familiar with Dark Seraph facilities, nor their methods.



I feel sure Ms Kay would benefit from a period of familiarisation with said facilities and the methods employed therein.


I am quite certain that would be difficult, but still possible to arrange. Though, it would cost you, Doctor.

Signed,

Reisha Nafina
First Governor

Keerie Jeanmot
Gallente
Bloodveil
Posted - 2007.08.10 17:46:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Keerie Jeanmot

Jade Constantine isn't fit to be the partner of the Sovereign according to our book.


You shall apologise abjectly for this insult or I will see to it that not one bone from this new clone of yours remains attached one to another.

On the nature of the thread itself I have no comments as Dark Seraph will speak on my behalf.


I didn't come here to offend you my Sovereign. I'm merely pointing what our book says:

No slave regardless of blood is worthy of your kiss, your taste, your soul. No Falen, no Corrin, no Gall, no wretched beast shall be allowed to come close to your perfect


Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2007.08.10 18:15:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Keerie Jeanmot
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Keerie Jeanmot

Jade Constantine isn't fit to be the partner of the Sovereign according to our book.


You shall apologise abjectly for this insult or I will see to it that not one bone from this new clone of yours remains attached one to another.

On the nature of the thread itself I have no comments as Dark Seraph will speak on my behalf.


I didn't come here to offend you my Sovereign. I'm merely pointing what our book says:

No slave regardless of blood is worthy of your kiss, your taste, your soul. No Falen, no Corrin, no Gall, no wretched beast shall be allowed to come close to your perfect




Now wait just a minute Jeanmot. I don't know exactly who you think you are but if I'm reading your message correctly you are saying that my cousin is a slave? A Falen, Corrin, Gall (whatever those are) or some kind of wretched beast? Is that right? Am I understanding you correctly?

My cousin right? Related to me by blood and familiar bonds? Because if you are saying what I think you are saying then I think somebody is going to get killed.

Perhaps you'd like to rephrase your last comments with rather more fawning and groveling and abject apology?

And by "perhaps" I mean "do it now you worm".

Casserina Leshrac
Amarr
Ebon Seraph
The Dominion Empire
Posted - 2007.08.10 18:25:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Keerie Jeanmot
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Keerie Jeanmot

Jade Constantine isn't fit to be the partner of the Sovereign according to our book.


You shall apologise abjectly for this insult or I will see to it that not one bone from this new clone of yours remains attached one to another.

On the nature of the thread itself I have no comments as Dark Seraph will speak on my behalf.


I didn't come here to offend you my Sovereign. I'm merely pointing what our book says:

No slave regardless of blood is worthy of your kiss, your taste, your soul. No Falen, no Corrin, no Gall, no wretched beast shall be allowed to come close to your perfect




Perhaps Keerie, you should take care when pontificating the sacred texts.

That is why it is why only the Amarr have the right, you only have the privilege.


Revan Neferis
Amarr
Bloodveil
BLOOD EMPIRE
Posted - 2007.08.10 18:34:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Keerie Jeanmot
I didn't come here to offend you my Sovereign.


Consider this than: An insult to Jade will be taken as a personal insult to me.

To Jasmine: Measure your words. You're not even close to the perfection of your cousin even to adress issues concerning the interpretation of Bloodveil texts.
I'll deal with insubordination of my initiates. Not you.

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2007.08.10 18:36:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis

To Jasmine: Measure your words. You're not even close to the perfection of your cousin even to adress issues concerning the interpretation of Bloodveil texts.
I'll deal with insubordination of my initiates. Not you.


I know nothing of the BloodVeil texts but I know quite a lot about performing monkeys, and as long as you keep yours on a tight leash we won't have any problems. Fair enough?

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Bloodveil
BLOOD EMPIRE
Posted - 2007.08.10 18:38:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
I know nothing of the BloodVeil texts but I know quite a lot about performing monkeys, and as long as you keep yours on a tight leash we won't have any problems. Fair enough?



No. as you have your free captains coming around with a very lose mouth themselves and I rarely even adress the issues.

I recommend you to let your cousin speak to me about these sort of things. I dislike your rethoric and abusive " words".

Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2007.08.10 18:39:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis

I recommend you to let your cousin speak to me about these sort of things. I dislike your rethoric and abusive " words".


Fair enough, if Jade wants to kill this fool herself then I'll step aside and let her.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Bloodveil
BLOOD EMPIRE
Posted - 2007.08.10 18:40:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Revan Neferis

I recommend you to let your cousin speak to me about these sort of things. I dislike your rethoric and abusive " words".


Fair enough, if Jade wants to kill this fool herself then I'll step aside and let her.



Now, this is fair enough.
Jade was insulted and I would even encourage a duel between the two parts involved.
I'm sure Keerie would learn a thing or two.

Wanoah
Minmatar
Msana Foundation
Posted - 2007.08.10 21:14:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Marna Kay
I will take a moment to correct the apparent misunderstandings of some respondents to my communication. I am not selling live clones...



Oh well. I'm a bit disappointed actually. Was thinking of making a Revan coffee table. Sort of a glass and formaldehyde thing.

I don't suppose you happen to sell pills as well as whatever it is you're selling do you. I've got through nearly my whole stash of blue ones this week.


Marna Kay
Minmatar
Blood Hawks
Posted - 2007.08.11 09:23:00 - [43]
 


Two days past of the auction deadline. I have several valid offers at the moment but disclose nothing of the amounts or identities.

I would encourage those people choosing to use this communication as an avenue for disputes over the interpretation of sacred texts to find another venue since as a scientist I care nothing for mystical fragments and dusty books and would urge others to similarly reject all but the product of good scientific discipline as a basis to understanding the universe.

Auction continues.




Keerie Jeanmot
Gallente
Bloodveil
Posted - 2007.08.11 09:46:00 - [44]
 


From Jade Constantine:

Its my understanding you have lately expressed certain opinions with regard to my personality and character that may best be termed "insulting" and in truth deserve far less flattering description. I have from respect to your mistress retained from taking offense thus far, but I can afford you no more lattitude in this matter.

Therefore I invite you to loadout a battleship of your choice to duel against a similar vessel of mine at a pre-arranged beacon in AMI system within the next 72 hours.

The terms are simple. Loadout your ship as you choose as will I. All systems and modules may be used. We will both warp to the duelling point at a range of our own choosing to create a battle between us both.

No ship will leave the local space until either it or its opponent is destroyed.
No capsule will leave the local space until the life within is ended or spared at the choice of the victor.

The gauntlet is cast.



If that's the best you can do to show your lover how good you are, I'll be waiting.
Killing me won't change the fact that you're a wench Jade Constantine.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Bloodveil
BLOOD EMPIRE
Posted - 2007.08.11 10:17:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Keerie Jeanmot

From Jade Constantine:

Its my understanding you have lately expressed certain opinions with regard to my personality and character that may best be termed "insulting" and in truth deserve far less flattering description. I have from respect to your mistress retained from taking offense thus far, but I can afford you no more lattitude in this matter.

Therefore I invite you to loadout a battleship of your choice to duel against a similar vessel of mine at a pre-arranged beacon in AMI system within the next 72 hours.

The terms are simple. Loadout your ship as you choose as will I. All systems and modules may be used. We will both warp to the duelling point at a range of our own choosing to create a battle between us both.

No ship will leave the local space until either it or its opponent is destroyed.
No capsule will leave the local space until the life within is ended or spared at the choice of the victor.

The gauntlet is cast.



If that's the best you can do to show your lover how good you are, I'll be waiting.
Killing me won't change the fact that you're a wench Jade Constantine.


Consider yourself expelled.

Darth Sage
Amarr
En-Slavers
Posted - 2007.08.13 18:47:00 - [46]
 

this data goes to prove my words more true that revan
is unfit to lead and is impure tainted with the blood
of the pleasure seeking heathens.
and even now she shows her flaws by removing those
that question her or her foul lover, revan is impure
only partially of the true amarr blood line.
my blood is pure kept pure through the inbreeding of
our most noble house yessss....

Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.08.13 19:47:00 - [47]
 

Inbreeding, eh? That explains ... so much.

Eric Lupanasia
Posted - 2007.08.13 22:27:00 - [48]
 

From the desk of Eric Lupanasia:
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Inbreeding, eh? That explains ... so much.

I am beginning to wonder, myself, how many eyebrows are underneath that hood....

More on the topic, however, I suppose that this particular exchange proves the old adage "information is power"- even genetic information. And to think I found Genetics 101-301 to be some of the more boring courses I took in the Center....

Dalyn Arathon
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.08.14 06:48:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Inbreeding, eh? That explains ... so much.


Never encountered the brood myself, but if that gem of a transmission was any indication, then I suppose this one falls under the category of quoting for truth. Of course, considering the other events of the last few replies, there may be several individuals present operating under, shall I say, less than optimal intelligence. I believe that I would probably throw myself to the mercy of the Sansha before I purposely invoked the ire of such women as Revan and Jade against myself.

As to the subject of the original transmission, I find it hard to believe that this is any more than either pseudo-scientific nonsense dressed in fancy terms or an outright hoax. But then again, Ms. Kay, maybe a visit to the facilities of the Fraction's resident expert would do you some good? I hear that the pain is only a passing experience.

Jude Kopenhagen
Caldari
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2007.08.16 23:14:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Jude Kopenhagen on 16/08/2007 23:24:38
Seems to me that this means that either the Bloodveil leadership has always been a farce, or has become one.

Now I am sure a lowly Caldari like me could never understand the full mystery and deeper meaning of the laws of Bloodveil. Even though, in this "Book of Bleach", the speaker says,
Quote:
My words could not be spoken more clearly nor could the will of this Veil you profess to follow be more cleanly realized in the words of your own faith.


Let's look firstly at the findings of Miss Kay, those that state that Revan Neferis is of mixed origin. Should this be the case, then, according to this passage:
Quote:
Purity of blood shall refer only to those of the golden race of your ancestors. Not all of those who are of your chosen race shall be pure enough even then. The infirm, the feeble-minded, the tarnished, the ones without ceaseless pure blood running through their veins, all of these shall not be deemed worthy and those that should lay with them shall leave my temple forever.


There would be no way Revan could ever have been made leader of Bloodveil. Thus her as leader would have been a farce from the start.

Let us the assume that Dr. Vennas Kratas' findings are true, and that Revan Neferis is 100% Amarr, as the representative from Dark Seraph said. This would mean that Revan should no longer be fit for leadership. The reason for this would be her very public relationship with the above mentioned Jade Constantine. Who we can safely assume is not True Amarr. I base this on the following passages.
Quote:
Every one of you who that lurks in this temple shall now know the truth of purity. Every one of you that would rally under the banner Bloodveil will now know what is required and all that fail shall be undone. My house will not be broken by your accursed heathenism destroying the perfection of form.

Quote:
None shall consume foreign blood. None shall lay with the foreign races, as blood is shared in so doing. None shall, then, breed with the foreign races as they will destroy the sanctity of the true blood in your veins. There is one true race of the Fallen God...

Quote:
Neither I nor you of the temple shall suffer this indignity of the promised purity of the Veil being tainted by your sickened depravity. No slave regardless of blood is worthy of your kiss, your taste, your soul. No Falen, no Corrin, no Gall, no wretched beast shall be allowed to come close to thyour perfect lest you sell it like a slave, a lovely serf unable to stand in the strictures of the Veil and thus cattle upon the land to be consumed by the Bloodwall to follow.

Quote:
In every hall there are those that have lost purity, but I will not weep. Now the Veil must protect itself.


Thus, taken together, these passages create an interesting story. Revan, although "pure" to begin with, had made herself "impure" by having relations with one not of the "true race of the fallen god". Thus, she has sullied the temple of Bloodveil, and made herself no better than "cattle upon the land to be consumed". What I find most interesting is that the members of Bloodveil have allowed this to continue, perhaps this is a sign of their weakness, or that their leader sees herself above the laws. Still, they do not "protect" themselves. Interesting times indeed.

Oh, and just to clarify, by writing this, I did not mean to reflect
negatively on the person Jade Constantine, I think this book refer to all of us that is not of their true race as slaves and fallen.

Just my humble take as a lowly Civire,

Jude.

Galen Darksmith
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Posted - 2007.08.17 07:18:00 - [51]
 

She's a blooder, Jude. Logic an' blooders ain't exactly soulmates.

Jeserat Verisum
Guiding Hand Social Club
Enelaise
Posted - 2007.08.17 14:44:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Jude Kopenhagen
Just my humble take as a lowly Civire,

Jude.


Your words carry little weight, Jude. You know decidedly little of the import and purity within the temple and how it should be handled. This matter is not of your concern and will be dealt with internally.

Never. Never call into question to purity of the members of Bloodveil ever again. Your tar-stained veins could never see the truth.

These genetic lies will be exposed for what they are, though they already seem quite forgotten if not for your irritating displays and those of your ilk. Dr. Kratas findings are also not worth your time questioning. Dark Seraph's scientific capabilities are legend.

So I think it past time you silence yourself again, lowly Civre and return to the muck that spawned you, arrogant filth unfit to feed my slaver hounds.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Bloodveil
BLOOD EMPIRE
Posted - 2007.08.17 15:31:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Jeserat Verisum
Originally by: Jude Kopenhagen
Just my humble take as a lowly Civire,

Jude.


Your words carry little weight, Jude. You know decidedly little of the import and purity within the temple and how it should be handled. This matter is not of your concern and will be dealt with internally.

Never. Never call into question to purity of the members of Bloodveil ever again. Your tar-stained veins could never see the truth.

These genetic lies will be exposed for what they are, though they already seem quite forgotten if not for your irritating displays and those of your ilk. Dr. Kratas findings are also not worth your time questioning. Dark Seraph's scientific capabilities are legend.

So I think it past time you silence yourself again, lowly Civre and return to the muck that spawned you, arrogant filth unfit to feed my slaver hounds.



And so Lord Ira has spoken. I have nothing to add to his words in this matter.

Jude Kopenhagen
Caldari
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2007.08.17 16:54:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Jeserat Verisum
Originally by: Jude Kopenhagen
Just my humble take as a lowly Civire,

Jude.


Your words carry little weight, Jude. You know decidedly little of the import and purity within the temple and how it should be handled. This matter is not of your concern and will be dealt with internally.

Never. Never call into question to purity of the members of Bloodveil ever again. Your tar-stained veins could never see the truth.

These genetic lies will be exposed for what they are, though they already seem quite forgotten if not for your irritating displays and those of your ilk. Dr. Kratas findings are also not worth your time questioning. Dark Seraph's scientific capabilities are legend.

So I think it past time you silence yourself again, lowly Civre and return to the muck that spawned you, arrogant filth unfit to feed my slaver hounds.



And so Lord Ira has spoken. I have nothing to add to his words in this matter.


Mmm, seems I have touched a Nerve. You might notice Mr. Verisum, that I never questioned Dr. Kratas' findings, infact, I actually supported them, because I cannot think that Miss. Neferis could fool your science into making her seem "pure" when she is not. Infact, it was not even me that questioned the purity of your members, but your own laws.

But, since you do not wish to answer my question, let me ask it this way. Does your law state that one of the "pure race" may not have relations with one not of the "pure race", especially the leader?

Does your law state that someone of the "pure race" who has relations with someone not of the "pure race" should be cast out of the temple, being no better than cattle?

Finally, does Revan Neferis, who is, as you say, of the "pure race" have relations with Jade Constantine, who is infact, like me, not of the "pure race"?

I appologise if my questions make your life a bit difficult, I also do not expect you to answer me here, or at all, as you said, you will deal with it internally.

To Miss. Neferis, I understand why you would not whish answer for yourself. If the answers to my questions are infact "yes", as I think we all know they are, you will have a lot more to answer for...

Fly safe,

Jude

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Bloodveil
BLOOD EMPIRE
Posted - 2007.08.17 17:07:00 - [55]
 

These questions are easy to be answered: Jade Constantine is a product of perfect genetic enginnering having no traces of impurity.

Besides that obvious fact, another one that you are obviously ignorant but inside Bloodveil Temple, there is one law that surpasses and subjugates all others: the law of purity brought forth by true love.

Your childish attempt to cause an issue is unfortunately misplaced and although I won't use the severe words that Lord Ira used to adress to you, I'll simply consider this case, as closed.

Jeserat Verisum
Guiding Hand Social Club
Enelaise
Posted - 2007.08.22 04:05:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis
These questions are easy to be answered: Jade Constantine is a product of perfect genetic enginnering having no traces of impurity.

Besides that obvious fact, another one that you are obviously ignorant but inside Bloodveil Temple, there is one law that surpasses and subjugates all others: the law of purity brought forth by true love.

Your childish attempt to cause an issue is unfortunately misplaced and although I won't use the severe words that Lord Ira used to adress to you, I'll simply consider this case, as closed.


I do not agree with this assessment and wish that fact to be known. I will not, however, speak further on the topic in public unless incensed to do so by Bloodveil.

McScruff
Grudjorn Logistics
Posted - 2007.08.22 04:22:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Revan Neferis

Besides that obvious fact, another one that you are obviously ignorant but inside Bloodveil Temple, there is one law that surpasses and subjugates all others: the law of purity brought forth by true love.



Aha! The ancient law of "This is how it is, always has been and always shall be on pain of expulsion (unless i desire otherwise)"

.... Damnit, i wanted to stay out of this discusion.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Bloodveil
BLOOD EMPIRE
Posted - 2007.08.22 07:20:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Jeserat Verisum
Originally by: Revan Neferis
These questions are easy to be answered: Jade Constantine is a product of perfect genetic enginnering having no traces of impurity.

Besides that obvious fact, another one that you are obviously ignorant but inside Bloodveil Temple, there is one law that surpasses and subjugates all others: the law of purity brought forth by true love.

Your childish attempt to cause an issue is unfortunately misplaced and although I won't use the severe words that Lord Ira used to adress to you, I'll simply consider this case, as closed.


I do not agree with this assessment and wish that fact to be known. I will not, however, speak further on the topic in public unless incensed to do so by Bloodveil.


I have not asked for your agreement.

Let this to be known right here and now to everyone: I'm taking full Sovereignity of Bloodveil Temple, on laws and matters.
It takes more than appearing at the Temple once in a while to come here issuing voice against my will Jeserat.

I declare this book of purity, heresy.
I declare the tranlator, an herectic , who is trying to change the texts to her own profit.

It will take more than your words to make any attempt to diminush the perfection of the love I share with Jade Constantine. Actually, there is NOTHING of external sources that can shatter or shake a relation of a year now of mutual love.

If you attempt to come here to contest my voice again, you shall be expelled as well. I had enough.

Jeserat Verisum
Guiding Hand Social Club
Enelaise
Posted - 2007.08.22 15:58:00 - [59]
 

You have turned against the will of your own Order and are unfit to lead. Had you looked away from private parties you would have seen me in the Hall of Bloodveil quite often in recent memory.

If it is your intention to expel me rather than embrace the truth of your cause, for which you have expelled Casserina Leshrac, then you are unfit to lead. I am only party to the True Bloodveil, not this.

As Lord Ira I declare myself true ruler of Bloodveil and expect the CEO title to be bestowed upon me within the next 24 hours. The time for arrogantly turning against your own has ended.

As for your claim that this book was written with some sort of agenda, need I remind you that you have been made aware of the teachings of Bloodveil since your indoctrination?

Jeserat Verisum
Lord Ira

Casserina Leshrac
Amarr
Ebon Seraph
The Dominion Empire
Posted - 2007.08.22 17:12:00 - [60]
 

My Lord Ira I wish to correct you on one small detail.

I was not expelled, rather I left voluntarily. I knew to publicly disagree our most sacred laws with the walls of our Temple would bring shame to your house, my house and all that is Bloodveil.

I could not refuse my love for another, but yet I would not turn my back on my faith. Both are part of my make up. So I left the Veil.

How Lady Neferis choose to treat my departure is of little concern to me. I knew the truth, those who know me understood my story.

Despite rumors of my "treachery" I found service with Ebon Seraph, knowing that I would be a pariah of my kind. Loyal to faith, but refusing to let go of my lover.

Personally, I have differences with the Book of Purity. For obvious reason. However, I understand the wisdom behind it. And it is for this reason, that I support your House, Lord Versium.

Not all are worthy to lead. Some must follow before they can truly lead.


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