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ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
Posted - 2007.07.31 16:23:00 - [1]
 

Next Patch:

Sacrilege (Heavy Assault Ship)

* Hardpoints: 5 launchers (+2), 0 turrets (-4)
* Fitting: 400tf (+50tf), 1030mw (-70mw)
* Sensors: 260mm scan res (+25mm), 50,000m max targeting range (-10,000m)
* Propulsion: 205m/s (+30m/s), 12,000,000kg (-155,000kg)

Bonuses

* 5% bonus to Heavy Assault Missile damage per Amarr CC level
* 5% bonus to armor resistances per Amarr CC level (no change)
* 5% reduction of capacitor recharge time per HAS level
* 5% reduction of missile launcher ROF per HAS level

I believe this will make the Sacrilege a monster in pvp. It already has a superb cap recharge rate, and now it gets 25% more!!!

It is able to fit 5 heavy assualt launchers which could inflict decent dmg without the cap use of lasers.

It has the ability to fit mwd warp disruptor web AND injector and now has a bonus of +30 m/s base speed.

And it will still have the sickest of all HAC tanks.

Fast, Agile, Durable with formiddable weapons array.

Thank you CCP!


Dr Fighter
Posted - 2007.07.31 16:24:00 - [2]
 

yeah cant wait, slightly annoyed its bonus is to heavy assaults and not normal heavys too, but oh well, a nice change.

Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
Posted - 2007.07.31 16:25:00 - [3]
 

Yeah the Sac looks like it's gonna pwn. I'm gonna nano this ***** up and see how it goes. Sucks I gotta train for HAMs though.

Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
Posted - 2007.07.31 16:27:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Kruel
Yeah the Sac looks like it's gonna pwn. I'm gonna nano this ***** up and see how it goes. Sucks I gotta train for HAMs though.


You need maxed range missile skills + 2 rigs for range to get 20km with t1 ham's.

ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
Posted - 2007.07.31 16:28:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Kruel
Yeah the Sac looks like it's gonna pwn. I'm gonna nano this ***** up and see how it goes. Sucks I gotta train for HAMs though.


Agreed, the HAM training is a bugger, but it will be well worth it.

I disagree with the nano part though, this is a new ship sort, that will excel at closing range webbing and letting the close range HAM's rip up, whilst tanking with dual reppers and high 80's low 90's resists Very Happy

Karash Amerius
Sutoka
Posted - 2007.07.31 16:29:00 - [6]
 

It was actually the fastest cap recharging HAC in the game before these changes.

Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
Posted - 2007.07.31 16:31:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: ReePeR McAllem
Originally by: Kruel
Yeah the Sac looks like it's gonna pwn. I'm gonna nano this ***** up and see how it goes. Sucks I gotta train for HAMs though.


Agreed, the HAM training is a bugger, but it will be well worth it.

I disagree with the nano part though, this is a new ship sort, that will excel at closing range webbing and letting the close range HAM's rip up, whilst tanking with dual reppers and high 80's low 90's resists Very Happy


True, this may yet be the best heavy tackler. I'll still try a nano fit cuz I like speed, but the range is definitely gonna be a problem.

ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
Posted - 2007.07.31 16:33:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Kruel
Originally by: ReePeR McAllem
Originally by: Kruel
Yeah the Sac looks like it's gonna pwn. I'm gonna nano this ***** up and see how it goes. Sucks I gotta train for HAMs though.


Agreed, the HAM training is a bugger, but it will be well worth it.

I disagree with the nano part though, this is a new ship sort, that will excel at closing range webbing and letting the close range HAM's rip up, whilst tanking with dual reppers and high 80's low 90's resists Very Happy


True, this may yet be the best heavy tackler. I'll still try a nano fit cuz I like speed, but the range is definitely gonna be a problem.


The sac I currently have does a nifty 1.3kps and a web never had a problem catching ships, that arent nano. The nano ships usually give up trying to break the tank. So am very much lookin forward to the changes.

The prices will soar though.

Mitsolo
Posted - 2007.07.31 16:54:00 - [9]
 

is it just me or have the prices of sacs gone up 100mil? since the announcementShocked

ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
Posted - 2007.07.31 17:01:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Mitsolo
is it just me or have the prices of sacs gone up 100mil? since the announcementShocked


I noticed that in my region, but there were only a few on sale, guess the inflation has already begun...

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.07.31 17:21:00 - [11]
 

I predict Nanosac new FOTM.

Kay Rissa
Extreme Carebears
Posted - 2007.07.31 17:23:00 - [12]
 

from my opinion, it will not be amazing...because sacriliege cant fit any damage mods, to tank well, very well, it will need all 5 lows to tank...to deal sort of reasonable damage it needs 2 damage mods at least...

also cap bonus is "sort of" useless, because all pvp setups include cap injector with 800-400 charges...

ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
Posted - 2007.07.31 17:27:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: ReePeR McAllem on 31/07/2007 17:27:41
Originally by: Kay Rissa
from my opinion, it will not be amazing...because sacriliege cant fit any damage mods, to tank well, very well, it will need all 5 lows to tank...to deal sort of reasonable damage it needs 2 damage mods at least...

also cap bonus is "sort of" useless, because all pvp setups include cap injector with 800-400 charges...


Agreed its damage will not be great, but it will be able to out last its opponent.

The sac does use cap boosts yes, but your saying the +25% to recharge on an already great recharge rate will not matter? ofc it will, in a fight it will mean you will be able to use them less often, being able to not run out of the cap boost's will be a great aid. Not to mention out tank your target.

Ed. Typo

DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.07.31 17:51:00 - [14]
 

yup. looking forward to using mine again once i train up some more missile skills.


DE



Sey'ada
Evoke.
KrautbreaK
Posted - 2007.07.31 17:59:00 - [15]
 

The cap recharge bonus will be great after the nos nerf.

Zaethiel
Infinity Research
Posted - 2007.07.31 18:30:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Zaethiel on 31/07/2007 18:34:44

I dont see why HAMs/Heavies arent like Blasters/Rails. HAMs atm suck because they have a Same Expl Radiu, Worse Damage, Worse Flight time (by a lot), Same Expl Velocity.

Better RoF is offset by the worse damage while the Worse Speed is stacked by Worse flight time.

Blasters have

Good:
Better TRacking
Better Rof

Bad:
Worse Damage (depending on how you compare electron ion and neutron blasters to rails)
Worse range
Worse Falloff




Why dont Hams have a better Expl Velocity or Radius by far over regular Heavies? They really should.


Keravnos
Caldari
Posted - 2007.07.31 22:34:00 - [17]
 

5% bonus to cap per level is to offset the 37.5% penalty to cap for fitting 5 Anti-Ship T2 HAMs. So its not so great a deal.

HAMs are meant to be a missile version of blasters, ACs, and pulse lasers, I believe. They are short range, so requires a mwd and web. I'm guessing the sacrilege will be capable of 450 dps or more based on Cerberus setups I've done.

This caldari already has amarr cruiser going to 5 Very Happy

Almarez
Setenta Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.07.31 22:41:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Dr Fighter
yeah cant wait, slightly annoyed its bonus is to heavy assaults and not normal heavys too, but oh well, a nice change.


I agree but with good missle skills and 5 launchers you can still do decent damage with heavies even without bonuses. Then again, with this tank, why would you want to be anything other than up close and personal? Wink

Not Bait
Posted - 2007.07.31 23:14:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Not Bait on 31/07/2007 23:18:05
Originally by: Sey'ada
The cap recharge bonus will be great after the nos nerf.


Hell yeah it's great, I was worried that my Mega might not have anything to reliably NOS. Couldn't ask for anything better than the new Sac to fill that role. Very Happy

J Valkor
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.07.31 23:34:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: J Valkor on 31/07/2007 23:37:38
Edited by: J Valkor on 31/07/2007 23:35:29
Originally by: Zaethiel
Edited by: Zaethiel on 31/07/2007 18:34:44

I dont see why HAMs/Heavies arent like Blasters/Rails. HAMs atm suck because they have a Same Expl Radiu, Worse Damage, Worse Flight time (by a lot), Same Expl Velocity.

Better RoF is offset by the worse damage while the Worse Speed is stacked by Worse flight time.

Blasters have

Good:
Better TRacking
Better Rof

Bad:
Worse Damage (depending on how you compare electron ion and neutron blasters to rails)
Worse range
Worse Falloff




Why dont Hams have a better Expl Velocity or Radius by far over regular Heavies? They really should.




HAM's have higher DPS at the trade of Alpha Strike. In fact, HAM's do 25% more DPS than normal heavy missile launchers.

Essentially what the SAC will end up being is about the same damage as the Cerberus except that it will have almost no range. In exchange its tank will be much stronger, it will be much faster, and it will be able to tackle. Its ability to deal with smaller ships will also be lessoned. I honestly see this HAC having a pretty awesome role in small gangs.

HAM's shouldn't have better exp velocity and speed than normal missiles. The entire trade off between HAMs and HMs is that you do 25% more damage against larger ships in exchange for not being able to hurt smaller vessels. You can also fit Assault Missile launchers which are even better at hitting smaller ships in exchange for more DPS. On cruisers, missiles have a very clear and logical consistency.


 

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