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Foxy CEO
Minmatar
Eviction.
Posted - 2007.07.30 19:43:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: Neena Valdi
Originally by: Foxy CEO

They've got to have some huge holes in their code somewhere. They're getting faster and faster hardware but the effective cap on fleet warfare is getting smaller and smaller. They really need to hire some sort of outside auditor to look at their codebase with fresh eyes.

Where did you get it from? I can bet the current lag during the fleet engagements is caused for 95% by hardware limitations. The server hardware simply can't process that much of information real-time.


Oh, I have no doubt that nodes crash only when the processing capacity for that node have been maxed out.

We seem to be having trouble with 150 vs 150 now. Last year it was 200 v 200. Before that, more. It may be that bigger battles happen and these are just "bad days" when a lot of other stuff is happening on the same node, but it sure seems that the node crash threshold is shrinking (or at the very least not growing) while the capability of each individual node is being upgraded. It seems like their code is getting less efficient. The same number of ships shooting the same number of weapons at the same number of targets appears to be requiring more and more computational power.

It makes me think they introduced a poorly coded feature, a bug, or both. The faster and faster nodes should be handling bigger and bigger battles, not smaller and smaller, and that's a software problem.

NeverL
Caldari
Enterprise Estonia
Session Changes
Posted - 2007.07.30 20:01:00 - [212]
 

its times more cheaper to buy new hardware then to review the code.

Foxy CEO
Minmatar
Eviction.
Posted - 2007.07.30 20:03:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: NeverL
its times more cheaper to buy new hardware then to review the code.


Oh, yes. But when they buy new hardware and keep getting slower, maybe it's time to bite the bullet and look at the code.

No matter how hard you hit the head of the nail with the flat side of the hammer, it's not coming out of the board.

Kuolematon
Caldari
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2007.07.30 20:13:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: s3v3n7
wonder why i spend 2k upgrading my pc for this crapShocked


Only 2k? I spend 3500 Shocked

Offtopic: Why so much love to CoW & co.? Did we **** on RAZOR's cerials? Laughing

Amy Robbins
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2007.07.30 20:16:00 - [215]
 

*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Ivan K (mods@ccpgames.com)

Amon Raa
Minmatar
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.07.30 20:19:00 - [216]
 

I was in EC back in days when ASCN and BOB was sieging that sys with 600 in local...
G- alliance jumped in(big cahunas boys-props to that)but it was like 10-15 sec lag on modules activation and that was that...
Now days its like 300 in local-you get 30 mins grid load time...
CCP DO SOMETHING DON'T JUST ADD MAKEUP MAKE OUR GAME FUN AGAIN!!!

Zak Kingsman
Caldari
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
Posted - 2007.07.30 20:19:00 - [217]
 

Edited by: Zak Kingsman on 30/07/2007 20:20:45
Originally by: Foxy CEO
The same number of ships shooting the same number of weapons at the same number of targets appears to be requiring more and more computational power.


I don't see that as the case at all, you have more ships (500+ in v7-) More weapons (20 carrier's w/ fighters(on just the COW side) plus POS guns) and more targets (again 500+ in local and POSs) the node did not crash, but there was massive lag, this is definately not worse than when nodes crashed out completely.

Neena Valdi
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.07.30 20:46:00 - [218]
 

Edited by: Neena Valdi on 30/07/2007 20:50:26
Edited by: Neena Valdi on 30/07/2007 20:46:27
Originally by: Foxy CEO

We seem to be having trouble with 150 vs 150 now. Last year it was 200 v 200.
Before that, more.


So you trying to say a year ago we didn't have problems with 150 vs 150? And even more before that? Neutral

Fitz Chivalry
Gallente
Vengeance Imperium
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2007.07.30 21:15:00 - [219]
 

The lag gods heavily favoured fatal etc. tonight as our gangs jumped in and appeared 1 by 1 slowly in target system and were picked off by them.

I wonder if there will be so many posts crying about how terrible the lag is from them tonight? I guess not. Lag is only ebil and a problem when its you losing ships to it I guess. Wink

Armois Delgato
Caldari
Mean Corp
Mean Coalition
Posted - 2007.07.30 21:36:00 - [220]
 

Lagged, yeah it was. I was half amazed that your guys were actually showing up Fitz.

Fleet combat should be decided by skill and guile, not by 'who loads the enemy'.

To be fair, half of the targets were invisible to me half of the time... but at least I could see them this time.

Fitz Chivalry
Gallente
Vengeance Imperium
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2007.07.30 21:55:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Armois Delgato
Lagged, yeah it was. I was half amazed that your guys were actually showing up Fitz.

Fleet combat should be decided by skill and guile, not by 'who loads the enemy'.

To be fair, half of the targets were invisible to me half of the time... but at least I could see them this time.



Dont go posting normal responses or you will destroy CAOD.

Sujinder
Amarr
M. Corp Academy
M. PIRE
Posted - 2007.07.30 22:03:00 - [222]
 

Edited by: Sujinder on 30/07/2007 22:12:57

Check out this battle report between:

FATAL / MPIRE / COW

Vs

RAZOR / MORSUS MIHI / & OTHERS...

*snip* no killboard links. -Ivan K


Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2007.07.30 22:10:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Originally by: Armois Delgato
Lagged, yeah it was. I was half amazed that your guys were actually showing up Fitz.

Fleet combat should be decided by skill and guile, not by 'who loads the enemy'.

To be fair, half of the targets were invisible to me half of the time... but at least I could see them this time.



Dont go posting normal responses or you will destroy CAOD.

Very Happy
I agree, that was way too level headed to from from the "other side" here! Smile
But tbh, that is a very VERY good response and its teh essence of what many have already said:

Nobody like to loose but loosing a fair fight is ok anyway, you know when you have been played out.
Loosing a battle that you have prepared for, set up strategies for and if that works
you might have a chance of pulling it off and then having it all thrown out due to
that 90% of your fleet didnt load...THAT is what 'urinates' people off royaly.

We can all stand to loose as long as we go down fighting!
Because then you did what you could with what you had.
If that wasnt enough then, tough luck but at least you gave it your best shot.
Right now, even if you are destined to loose, you dont get the chance to even try. Confused


/Lowa

Frozen Light
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.07.30 22:19:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: Sujinder
Edited by: Sujinder on 30/07/2007 22:12:57

Check out this battle report between:

FATAL / MPIRE / COW

Vs

RAZOR / MORSUS MIHI / & OTHERS...

*snip* no killboard links. -Ivan K




Only CoW losses there and might be missing also some kills :)

boogaboob
Caldari
Arctic Wolves
RaVeN Federation
Posted - 2007.07.30 22:22:00 - [225]
 

Edited by: boogaboob on 30/07/2007 22:22:19
Edited by: boogaboob on 30/07/2007 22:21:54
Originally by: Sujinder
Edited by: Sujinder on 30/07/2007 22:12:57

Check out this battle report between:

FATAL / MPIRE / COW

Vs

RAZOR / MORSUS MIHI / & OTHERS...

*snip* no killboard links. -Ivan K




Uh, yeah. Lag gods favored you this time. Congratulations.

You know what that reminds me of? oh yeah..

*snip* no killboard links. -Ivan K

Fix the damn lag ccp.


Shiraz Merlot
Caldari
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.30 22:22:00 - [226]
 

Edited by: Shiraz Merlot on 30/07/2007 22:22:46
Originally by: Neena Valdi
Originally by: Shiraz Merlot
Last time I looked, Stackless Python doesn't do SMP. Dunno if this has changed.
Well, most likely they have all time critical stuff coded in C++? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Whatever they rewrite some sections of code in, it's still the stackless python runtime model.

Originally by: George Petsch
You sure stackless runs on the server too? thought it was only clientside with c++ on the server...
http://www.stackless.com/Members/rmtew/News%20Archive/newsPyCon2006Pres - slide no.2

Hitman396
Caldari
Asset Relocation Specialist Enterprises
Galactic Syndicate
Posted - 2007.07.30 22:30:00 - [227]
 

Some excellent fights you guys are bringing, big props for that Smile

Raaki
Minmatar
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.07.30 23:03:00 - [228]
 

Definately. Good fights FATAL / MPIRE / COW

Between all the crappy lag the fights are kewl.

Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente
Infinite Improbability Inc
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.07.30 23:10:00 - [229]
 

Edited by: Torquemanda Corteaz on 31/07/2007 02:17:18
good fights to all

LiNkIsMaXiMuS
Gallente
Celestial Mayhem
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2007.07.30 23:21:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: Sujinder
Edited by: Sujinder on 30/07/2007 22:12:57

Check out this battle report between:

FATAL / MPIRE / COW

Vs

RAZOR / MORSUS MIHI / & OTHERS...

*snip* - no killboard links. -Ivan K




Wow u guys r feeling pretty big now that for once the lag was on ur side, also i was in 3dr- cloaked. So i saw all our blues not moving or shooting, while all the reds had drones (thnx for helping wit lag) out and missles flying about. Oh and yea the Smack in local was terrible, thanks.

/me lights candles and prays to the lag gods

Darth Kenzie
Amarr
Killer Koalas
Kingdom of Butan
Posted - 2007.07.30 23:56:00 - [231]
 

Yea brutal, though not too bad for me only 20 minutes to switch systems and not be able to jump to the rally point. Oh well, least i got on 5-6 km before the jump and die... as long as i get to shoot i won't complain too much.

Still I play this game for the epic fleet fights, least thats what i tell other mmorpg players, and it kinda sucks that i can make lunch waiting to be able to die...

Krall Amarr
Amarr
J0urneys End
Journeys End Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.31 00:20:00 - [232]
 

i think the kb talking

*snip* no killboard links. -Ivan K

Julio Torres
Amarr
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2007.07.31 00:29:00 - [233]
 

Lag is acceptable up to 250 in local, closing in on 300 the lag kicks in!
Add in another 100 like we had on saturday, its unplayable.

It really bites with desync and 15min+ lag and to make matters worse, not getting ships reimbursed!
CCP needs to shape up here!

fisty
Gallente
Invicta.
Posted - 2007.07.31 00:40:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: LiNkIsMaXiMuS

Wow u guys r feeling pretty big now that for once the lag was on ur side


Lagg on our side? Took us well over 10minutes to move 2 jumps, you follow despite the lagg..lagg wasn't on anybodys side, just a bad move by you.

However, we had some great fights the last couple days. Props to RZR and friends for bringing it!

Aya
Gallente
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.31 00:45:00 - [235]
 

Edited by: Aya on 31/07/2007 00:45:58
Edited by: Aya on 31/07/2007 00:44:45
They won a minor battle not even in the system they are trying to defend and they are all so happy lol. 1 battleship loss is nothing, you guys killed my scorpion and I made 10Million isk from it. 60+20insurance+10m in mods = 100M payout.

If you think killing like 30 BS will stop whats going on you are gravely wrong.

Goberth Ludwig
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.07.31 01:29:00 - [236]
 

oh geez...

kb links are not allowed in coad and also utterly pointless

seriously is this the first war you guys go thru Rolling Eyes

- Gob

SMercer
Caldari
Lethal Corp
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2007.07.31 01:31:00 - [237]
 

Today is the first time they won a minor fleet engagement, let them all sing "We are the champions" in vent together and bask in their glory. When they win a day in their home system i will be impressed and the first to say good job.

mamolian
Gallente
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
Posted - 2007.07.31 01:53:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: Aya


60+20insurance+10m in mods = 100M payout.




Tell me Aya, how did you manage to insure your Scorpion so that the payout equals 100 mill? Or are you mixing the ship you lost up with a Raven perhaps?

Another day of fun guys, cya tomorrow for more of the same.

Kuolematon
Caldari
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2007.07.31 04:50:00 - [239]
 

Edited by: Kuolematon on 31/07/2007 04:50:10
Your killboards are BAD! Check out OURS! http://pervs.pingtimeout.net .. much better and cool looking - we don't have any emorazors there! Razz

Akov Stohs
Caldari
Windowlickers Inc
Wrath.
Posted - 2007.07.31 05:18:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: SMercer
Today is the first time they won a minor fleet engagement, let them all sing "We are the champions" in vent together and bask in their glory. When they win a day in their home system i will be impressed and the first to say good job.


Its also the first time we weren't outnumbered 2-1, AND the lag didn't eff us up. It was a turkey shoot.

The more interesting fight happened in v7- though....From what I hear, You're side wasn't lagged out, and neither was ours. So it was a good fight! Regardless of outcome.


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