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Benglada
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.07.24 07:20:00 - [121]
 

i actually lost a vaga to 3 ratting setup ravens.. they all had jave torps and one had nos..so my mwd was off and i went splat.

aUTOKILL
Gallente
No.Mercy
Merciless.
Posted - 2007.07.24 07:52:00 - [122]
 

go to the eve tv website and watch episode 2.


Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.24 08:07:00 - [123]
 

Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 24/07/2007 08:09:55
Originally by: aUTOKILL
go to the eve tv website and watch episode 2.




Mind Elaborating?
Some of us don't care to pay for it.

eve's lover
Posted - 2007.07.24 09:39:00 - [124]
 

I have seen this happen in Low Sec. I know a system in low sec that has up to 50 haulers running 24/7, we setup up camp and started blowing them up. The next thing they undocked in 3 bs 2x Domi and 1x raven, we targeted the domi and started shooting it, The other 2 bs repmote repaired him and they undocked another 3 bs 2x raven and a faction bs 1x Macharial (sp?).

They did not talk in local expept for the occasional "lol". Once u clear the system, they all start hauling again... We took the mach into structure but they never venture out of docking range. :(

From the loot, they must be running lvl 1 courier missions.

Drago Vanguard
Vanguard Corporation
Posted - 2007.07.24 09:47:00 - [125]
 

Edited by: Drago Vanguard on 24/07/2007 09:50:11
Originally by: el369
buesrew aren't isk farmers, blah blah blah



They got kicked out of KOS when it became public knowledge that they were/are ISK farmers. Rolling Eyes Of course, the leadership knew, they paid billions of ISK a month in Alliance dues because of that, but due to complications with Alliance policies the leadership was forced to remove them.

Now KOS has T'ang(Buesrew offshoot) and you have Buesrew. It's disgusting. KOS, IAC, and any others who harbor isk-farmers are doing much more to damage the game than anyone. Thanks guys. Evil or Very Mad

N'irrti
Amarr
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.07.24 09:52:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: N''irrti on 24/07/2007 10:13:54
Edited by: N''irrti on 24/07/2007 10:05:11
Originally by: Danny Centurai
Originally by: N'irrti
got ganked by 4 of them today Embarassed


This is the attitude I hate to see. They might be Chinese but they aren't farmers. They PvP and they do it a darn load better than a load of the muppets trolling the forums.

Still waiting for the proof of farmers and Chinese names isn't proof, thats all you seem to go on these days. Real farmers hide out the way not in an alliance that was in the middle of hostile territory. That would be a nice way for a farmer to lose his raven and real income; add to that the fact real farmers have English names... people can use translators you know.

Also real farmers speak English shock horror I know but the Gold Farmers in WOW for example always have an English speaker available to fend off claims and chat to locals; the gold farming industry is quite open about how they operate. Real farmers are clever about how they do things, the people who point at a name see its Chinese and shout farmer well thats a different story.


Yes they are farmers. Only Standings they have are to Concord and Guristas. They have all 2 Stabs + Cloak fitted, they are all in Ravens. Hell even the Maller that scrambled me had at least 1 Stabs + Cloak, they are 23/7 logged in. I didn't say they are chinese but they definatly don't do anything else then farming.

edit: reread your post again - ahhhr it's too early

necronarcosis
Eggz Enterprises
Posted - 2007.07.24 10:22:00 - [127]
 

i was actualy camped in station by isk farmer ravens deep in 0.0 5 of them.
shocked to say the least. So i fitted my domi undocked and killed 2 of them the other 3 warped off.
with a single word in local..... "shi*"

bunmastahflex
Fenscore Enterprises
United Corporations Against Macros
Posted - 2007.07.24 11:27:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Nicocat
Glad to see my old alliance is actually getting attention, even if it is quite negative. Anyhoo, I must say that no, NASA doesn't harbor macroers, afaik. Farmers, well... there's a reason I left in disgust. =P


nico buddy, how's it going... evemail me... i never thought you of all people would leave nas to be honest. i'd like to know what happened, if you'd like to share, of course. i kinda feel in the dark here. Laughing

Danny Centurai
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.07.24 12:20:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Dysfunctionality
Your knowledge of farmers is pretty nice. But ask yourself. These [HPS] players, have you ever seen them outside of their ratting grounds? Besides traveling back and forth with their loot, have you seen them participate with any other activities? Have they taken part in any alliance activities? Operations? I, for one, have not. And with some simple digging, they appear to have never even left Fountain. These are some of the things you look for when investigating isk farmers. I wish if could be different, I wish people wouldn't sell isk for money, but the facts and evidence proves otherwise in this case.

I've spent quite some time following isk farmers and investigating them the best I can with the available tools. I know how they run and how they die. These characters have no standings with anyone but CONCORD and the rats they kill. No agents, no nothing. They all fly Ravens. They all fit cloaks. Some of them were even made within the same hour. Although, In this case, I've noticed that they actually do have a few pvp'er within their corp, but they exist MERELY to protect their ravens. The proof is there, now it's only a matter of time.


We recently had a mining op mining Kernite in Empire and well I'm pretty certain that every NASA corp was represented. Also I've ran some exploration plex's with these guys they are pretty cool. Even if their English needs some work they fly a mean Raven. =)

The thing with them always being in Fountain well I would still be out there if I had more than two ships still out there. Also none are carrier pilots yet so the logistics is a pain in the ass. Atleast for now they are causing grief to the locals... getting some nice kills and generally winding up the reds. Makes me happy really to see them griefing the people who popped our towers, damn if I can't get my ships out then I sure will go back there ruin a few ammo and fuel runs for who ever placed their POS in 7-8 our last home in fountain.

If they are so bothered about ratting then they wouldn't be making the move with us once we are established where ever we end up. They would have left the alliance by now in search of making the fountain locals blue but I see it hasn't happened. If I am wrong and there are some ISK farmers then I'm sure we will lose them once we make our move seen as the bounties are much worse pretty much everywhere we could go. Keep chasing them sure but your time would be much better spent down the pub.

Danny Centurai
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.07.24 12:35:00 - [130]
 

Edited by: Danny Centurai on 24/07/2007 12:35:45
Originally by: N'irrti
Edited by: N''irrti on 24/07/2007 10:13:54
Edited by: N''irrti on 24/07/2007 10:05:11
Originally by: Danny Centurai
Originally by: N'irrti
got ganked by 4 of them today Embarassed


This is the attitude I hate to see. They might be Chinese but they aren't farmers. They PvP and they do it a darn load better than a load of the muppets trolling the forums.

Still waiting for the proof of farmers and Chinese names isn't proof, thats all you seem to go on these days. Real farmers hide out the way not in an alliance that was in the middle of hostile territory. That would be a nice way for a farmer to lose his raven and real income; add to that the fact real farmers have English names... people can use translators you know.

Also real farmers speak English shock horror I know but the Gold Farmers in WOW for example always have an English speaker available to fend off claims and chat to locals; the gold farming industry is quite open about how they operate. Real farmers are clever about how they do things, the people who point at a name see its Chinese and shout farmer well thats a different story.


Yes they are farmers. Only Standings they have are to Concord and Guristas. They have all 2 Stabs + Cloak fitted, they are all in Ravens. Hell even the Maller that scrambled me had at least 1 Stabs + Cloak, they are 23/7 logged in. I didn't say they are chinese but they definatly don't do anything else then farming.

edit: reread your post again - ahhhr it's too early


Haha sorry but you are wrong here mate this really did make me laugh at least you cheered up my afternoon. The ravens you bump into are good old PvP ravens no stabs they roam around killing stuff maybe even bait you by sitting in a belt. You fall for the tricks and they get another kill mail. Check our killboard if you must you will see their corp has done roughly a third of the ISK damage NASA has done. So not cool putting good players down just because they are Chinese.

I'm sure hopemoon or readytowork would be happy to tell you their fit, once all the gankage in fountain has ended. OMG you must be a farmer to know they are logged in 23/7 so must you =).

EDIT: sorry about double posting but I like to reply to everyone separately.

Loyal Servant
Caldari
The Knights Templar
Strategic Operations Brigade
Posted - 2007.07.24 13:00:00 - [131]
 

OK.. I have to bite.. again....

Isk farming in delve and the surrounding area ....
(I still have jumpclones down there)

I saw some bobbits chasing isk farmers around and asked them - and they told me flat out they were chasing isk farmers.

Good? Hell yes because I suspected BOB harbored them in the C3N area.

They did not chase me. Again, a change from the norm.

I ran thru catch and saw some isk farming ops and some IAC just hanging out like it was no big deal...

I suspect IAC is still harboring them in catch.

Then, last but not least ran thru providence and after some exchanges in local with some CVA tards...
(former TSDS and all Laughing)

They gave chase, despite their 'no piracy' rule and they called me a 'known pirate'
(Ok, but I don't pirate anymore TARDS...Rolling Eyes)

In the end I did end up finding ratting ravens shooting sanshas in known isk farmer corps in providence.

So, again, CVA is harboring them still.

Next stop: RAGOONS area and I may take a run down to the former ASCN stronghold, because there were a ton down there last I heard.

But let me sum this up for you guys at IAC before the flames start...
When TSDS lived in stain if we had any neutral group be it an isk farmer, unknown or otherwise reported in our defense nets it was shown the border to our space really fast.

We lived down there for years, as BOB can attest to since we liked to harass the renters in C3N and go on bob gank rampages. :)

Basically, I am shocked to see that BOB has started to take some proactive approach even if it is just a little.

I am waiting for IAC and CVA in the south to do it as well.

Your favorite farmer killer!

Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.24 13:41:00 - [132]
 

Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 24/07/2007 13:42:55
Originally by: Danny Centurai
Haha sorry but you are wrong here mate this really did make me laugh at least you cheered up my afternoon. The ravens you bump into are good old PvP ravens no stabs they roam around killing stuff maybe even bait you by sitting in a belt. You fall for the tricks and they get another kill mail. Check our killboard if you must you will see their corp has done roughly a third of the ISK damage NASA has done. So not cool putting good players down just because they are Chinese.

I'm sure hopemoon or readytowork would be happy to tell you their fit, once all the gankage in fountain has ended. OMG you must be a farmer to know they are logged in 23/7 so must you =).


Like I said they do have some PVP'ers. I've run into hopemoon myself, he flys a mean Arazu and nano+cloaking-Ishtar, but that doesn't count for most of the rest. But on the contrary, their ravens do happen to fit 2x stabs and cloaks. Numerous occasions of them warping off when they've been scrambled and/or disappearing when a prober shows up.

The fact of the matter remains: they're all out in fountain ratting 23/7. Where does all this isk go? Unless they are funding some other supar sekrit alliance/corporation operation, I really don't know what else they could possibly be doing with it all. Rolling Eyes

One of the members of [HPS] even admitted to selling isk, and CCP should be investigating this as we speak. Hopefully I will be turning in more names soon as well.

Danny Centurai
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.07.24 14:01:00 - [133]
 

Edited by: Danny Centurai on 24/07/2007 14:14:00
Originally by: Dysfunctionality
Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 24/07/2007 13:42:55
Originally by: Danny Centurai
Haha sorry but you are wrong here mate this really did make me laugh at least you cheered up my afternoon. The ravens you bump into are good old PvP ravens no stabs they roam around killing stuff maybe even bait you by sitting in a belt. You fall for the tricks and they get another kill mail. Check our killboard if you must you will see their corp has done roughly a third of the ISK damage NASA has done. So not cool putting good players down just because they are Chinese.

I'm sure hopemoon or readytowork would be happy to tell you their fit, once all the gankage in fountain has ended. OMG you must be a farmer to know they are logged in 23/7 so must you =).


Like I said they do have some PVP'ers. I've run into hopemoon myself, he flys a mean Arazu and nano+cloaking-Ishtar, but that doesn't count for most of the rest. But on the contrary, their ravens do happen to fit 2x stabs and cloaks. Numerous occasions of them warping off when they've been scrambled and/or disappearing when a prober shows up.

The fact of the matter remains: they're all out in fountain ratting 23/7. Where does all this isk go? Unless they are funding some other supar sekrit alliance/corporation operation, I really don't know what else they could possibly be doing with it all. Rolling Eyes

One of the members of [HPS] even admitted to selling isk, and CCP should be investigating this as we speak. Hopefully I will be turning in more names soon as well.


I honestly hope they are investigating it. ISK farmers should be banned yeah thats plain old simple. How ever I have seen most of these guys and know they aren't farmers. I can't personally defend every member; but I can say NASA doesn't support harboring ISK farmers and if they are farmers we get F$%" all from it. I really want to know who you really are and where you are getting your information from. Post it on our forums or something I want to see it, will help us resolve the problem of which I am yet to see.


Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.24 14:11:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: Danny Centurai
I honestly hope they are. ISK farmers should be banned yeah thats plain old simple. How ever I have seen most of these guys and know they aren't farmers. I can't personally defend every member; but I can say NASA doesn't support harboring ISK farmers and if they are farmers we get F$%" all from it. I really want to know who you really are and where you are getting your information from. Post it on our forums or something I want to see it, will help us resolve the problem of which I am yet to see.



Because of speculation my Identity shall remain hidden, as well as my sources of information. Much of which was gained merely by getting friends to talk with some of [HPS]'s members Smile. Everything regarding any breaking of the EULA will be immediately reported to CCP, so no need to worry. That being said, I would hope not all of their members are isk farmers, because from what I've heard of them, they seem to quite talkative players...

But as it is, I've not once said that NASA has anything to do with their isk selling operations. They joined you guys and that seems to be that.

N'irrti
Amarr
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.07.24 14:13:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Danny Centurai
Edited by: Danny Centurai on 24/07/2007 12:35:45
Originally by: N'irrti
Edited by: N''irrti on 24/07/2007 10:13:54
Edited by: N''irrti on 24/07/2007 10:05:11
Originally by: Danny Centurai
Originally by: N'irrti
got ganked by 4 of them today Embarassed


This is the attitude I hate to see. They might be Chinese but they aren't farmers. They PvP and they do it a darn load better than a load of the muppets trolling the forums.

Still waiting for the proof of farmers and Chinese names isn't proof, thats all you seem to go on these days. Real farmers hide out the way not in an alliance that was in the middle of hostile territory. That would be a nice way for a farmer to lose his raven and real income; add to that the fact real farmers have English names... people can use translators you know.

Also real farmers speak English shock horror I know but the Gold Farmers in WOW for example always have an English speaker available to fend off claims and chat to locals; the gold farming industry is quite open about how they operate. Real farmers are clever about how they do things, the people who point at a name see its Chinese and shout farmer well thats a different story.


Yes they are farmers. Only Standings they have are to Concord and Guristas. They have all 2 Stabs + Cloak fitted, they are all in Ravens. Hell even the Maller that scrambled me had at least 1 Stabs + Cloak, they are 23/7 logged in. I didn't say they are chinese but they definatly don't do anything else then farming.

edit: reread your post again - ahhhr it's too early


Haha sorry but you are wrong here mate this really did make me laugh at least you cheered up my afternoon. The ravens you bump into are good old PvP ravens no stabs they roam around killing stuff maybe even bait you by sitting in a belt. You fall for the tricks and they get another kill mail. Check our killboard if you must you will see their corp has done roughly a third of the ISK damage NASA has done. So not cool putting good players down just because they are Chinese.

I'm sure hopemoon or readytowork would be happy to tell you their fit, once all the gankage in fountain has ended. OMG you must be a farmer to know they are logged in 23/7 so must you =).

EDIT: sorry about double posting but I like to reply to everyone separately.


sorry to bust your little dream. I killed one of them by anchoring a bubble in a belt. he had 2 stabs + cloak fitted Very Happy

Danny Centurai
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.07.24 14:25:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: N'irrti
sorry to bust your little dream. I killed one of them by anchoring a bubble in a belt. he had 2 stabs + cloak fitted Very Happy


Hmm name or killboard link would be handy then NASA can look into it. Instead of claims, and one ratting raven find another. Actually keep killing ratting ravens because if they are ISK farmers then they will £$"% off. =)

Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.24 14:32:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Danny Centurai
Actually keep killing ratting ravens because if they are ISK farmers then they will £$"% off. =)


Again, on the contrary. They have the isk, they will come back and continue on ratting.

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.24 14:52:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: Loyal Servant
OK.. I have to bite.. again....

Isk farming in delve and the surrounding area ....
(I still have jumpclones down there)

I saw some bobbits chasing isk farmers around and asked them - and they told me flat out they were chasing isk farmers.

Good? Hell yes because I suspected BOB harbored them in the C3N area.

They did not chase me. Again, a change from the norm.

I ran thru catch and saw some isk farming ops and some IAC just hanging out like it was no big deal...

I suspect IAC is still harboring them in catch.

Then, last but not least ran thru providence and after some exchanges in local with some CVA tards...
(former TSDS and all Laughing)

They gave chase, despite their 'no piracy' rule and they called me a 'known pirate'
(Ok, but I don't pirate anymore TARDS...Rolling Eyes)

In the end I did end up finding ratting ravens shooting sanshas in known isk farmer corps in providence.

So, again, CVA is harboring them still.

Next stop: RAGOONS area and I may take a run down to the former ASCN stronghold, because there were a ton down there last I heard.

But let me sum this up for you guys at IAC before the flames start...
When TSDS lived in stain if we had any neutral group be it an isk farmer, unknown or otherwise reported in our defense nets it was shown the border to our space really fast.

We lived down there for years, as BOB can attest to since we liked to harass the renters in C3N and go on bob gank rampages. :)

Basically, I am shocked to see that BOB has started to take some proactive approach even if it is just a little.

I am waiting for IAC and CVA in the south to do it as well.

Your favorite farmer killer!


This is complete nonsense - which tbh is all I can expect from a former TSDS who classifies us all as 'tards'.

CVA has always taken a strong stance agains macroers. Indeed many of our pilots earn their isk hunting them down.

We have over time ejected corporations from Providence for harbouring macroers and indeed we almost declared war on NOS alliance (our neighbours) when at one stage they seemed to be protecting a known macroer corp. Fortunately NOS chucked the offending corporation out under pressure from CVA.

I am not saying there are no macroers in Providence but those that do certainly don't get an easy ride from the CVA. Indeed my own impression is that 'macro' numbers in Providence have been in substantial decline over the past months as CVA has tightened its grip on the region.

If you are upset because we still shoot you I would suggest that you talk to one of our diplomats. We keep all our enemies KOS until they request to come off it.

Obviously chance of being removed from KOS by smearing us and calling us 'tards' really is slim. Laughing

Alexi Borizkova
Caldari
New Age Solutions
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2007.07.24 14:55:00 - [139]
 

<<Official NASA Release>>

So many months ago after our former friends and close allies betrayed us, and others, we chose to leave our former home peacefully to avoid conflict with them. We came then into fountain, mostly because it was so close by, and tried to start our lives as an alliance over again. For the most part we were without friends and allies, as the war was being fought much farther away and that is where our other friends were focusing their attention. It was in this time we first met hopes of pirate.

They were, and are, some of the most dedicated pvpers I know, and go forth time and time again against often overwhelming odds. They don’t always win, but they always have a good time. At the time when we were so alone in a new place, they offered us friendship. We shared intel, hunted together, and as one we picked away at whatever weak spot xelas showed us. HPS hates farmers, you see, which you might find surprising, since they speak Chinese.

We fought through the language barrier and became quite close with HPS, up to the point they joined our alliance and we flew under that same banner until this very morning. There are no stauncher allies and true friends than these, truly. We’ve hounded and harassed the ratting ravens together, we’ve haunted the stream of badgers bound for empire, we’ve done all these things and much more, and now that time has passed.
HPS has chosen a new path to embark upon, and once again, it is a way that we simply cannot follow. NASA has few hard and fast rules, but of those few, one sticks out above the rest, and that is our dedication to not support RMT in any form, and to not engage in its practice. Why that is a point so important to me is a personal matter and not germane to this release.

In reference to HPS’ new path, I will say only this: it is the burden of CCP as game developers to remove the RMT influence and operatives from this game, not the playerbase. I wish them the best of luck, and am joined by HPS in the sentiment that the game would be far better without the taint of RMT. However, that taint is present, and pervasive. It has, to a degree, become an element of the game one must navigate. Greater powers have found their way to deal with this element, such as Xelas, IAC, and even BoB, and so too must even the small groups and organizations. We at NASA have our own ways and now HPS has theirs, albeit they are still simply just trying to play the game and have a good time, same as any of us.

I wish them the best of luck, in all things, as I would to any close friends, and any sentiments of what you all have to say aside, we will not turn our backs on friends just to be politically correct. However, such good friends as they are, HPS has volunteered to leave our alliance, and move on in a different direction from us, to not compromise our moral policies. From this day, hence forth, HPS is no longer a member of the NASA alliance, and is to be considered a separate entity entirely, to be dealt with separately and in whatever way you see fit, as is your right.

In all this, however, I am reminded somewhat of the eve banking scam that rocked our little world not so very long ago. It’s perpetrator claims that he never intended it to be a scam, and that finally he just tired so of hearing himself spoken ill of and being accused of being a thief and liar that he finally just gave up and decided he might as well benefit from the crime if he had to have the reputation of a criminal.

Take that as you will, true or false, but keep it in mind when you persecute Asians as isk farmers, or macroers based on no hard evidence.

Alexi Borizkova
CEO and Executor
New Age Solutions Amalgamated

Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.24 15:10:00 - [140]
 

Very Glad to hear. Sorry that it had to be taken care of this way, but as you said, you do not wish to be involved with HPS's way of playing... RMT.

Now to finish the job...

Mr Friendly
The Lost and The Damned
Posted - 2007.07.24 21:30:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Dysfunctionality
Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 24/07/2007 07:02:45
Originally by: Nicocat
Glad to see my old alliance is actually getting attention, even if it is quite negative. Anyhoo, I must say that no, NASA doesn't harbor macroers, afaik. Farmers, well... there's a reason I left in disgust. =P


If I said Macro's I didn't mean to, the word seems to stick when it comes to these topics. Isk Farmers is the correct term.

I'd also like to add the fact of the existence of the Chinese server. It exists for a reason. I don't see why they wouldn't play on that server, being it's probably a HUGE hassle playing on Tranq. instead.


you're sounding a bit rascist, tbh. Why don't the swedes and the russians get off of the 'english' server, then? Gee, maybe because we have 10x the active population and presumably a much better/interesting economy on tranq? Language barriers are inevitable on a non-sharded world, you dolt. You're lumping every asian into the same group, without thought. Grow up.

Limit your discussion to blatant isk sellers, not to people that don't speak European languages. Otherwise you're a bloody racist pig.

Kyozoku
Posted - 2007.07.24 22:30:00 - [142]
 

I wonder if they're enjoying the fighting.

Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.24 22:42:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Mr Friendly
you're sounding a bit rascist, tbh. Why don't the swedes and the russians get off of the 'english' server, then? Gee, maybe because we have 10x the active population and presumably a much better/interesting economy on tranq? Language barriers are inevitable on a non-sharded world, you dolt. You're lumping every asian into the same group, without thought. Grow up.

Limit your discussion to blatant isk sellers, not to people that don't speak European languages. Otherwise you're a bloody racist pig.


Wow, Grow up? Calling names? Hah, right. I'm not racist at all. It's just food for thought. The Chinese server is there, and it would be a lot easier for them to use it. Now if you have nothing more constructive to say, please stay out of my thread.

Loyal Servant
Caldari
The Knights Templar
Strategic Operations Brigade
Posted - 2007.07.24 23:13:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Hardin


This is complete nonsense - which tbh is all I can expect from a former TSDS who classifies us all as 'tards'.

CVA has always taken a strong stance agains macroers. Indeed many of our pilots earn their isk hunting them down.

We have over time ejected corporations from Providence for harbouring macroers and indeed we almost declared war on NOS alliance (our neighbours) when at one stage they seemed to be protecting a known macroer corp. Fortunately NOS chucked the offending corporation out under pressure from CVA.

I am not saying there are no macroers in Providence but those that do certainly don't get an easy ride from the CVA. Indeed my own impression is that 'macro' numbers in Providence have been in substantial decline over the past months as CVA has tightened its grip on the region.

If you are upset because we still shoot you I would suggest that you talk to one of our diplomats. We keep all our enemies KOS until they request to come off it.

Obviously chance of being removed from KOS by smearing us and calling us 'tards' really is slim. Laughing


Typical of CVA to 'classify' people as they see fit because I happened to be a pirate at one point.
Makes me want to join the leps, most of which are my pals.

Instead I try to 'HELP' CVA see the light that they have isk farmers in their space and I get here, a SLAVE TRADER and his hooligans telling me that isk farming is A-O-K in CVA space.

Nice, Hardin
Very nice.

Ask Aralis if he ever replaced that archon that your friends at TSDS (that would be us..) popped in misaba when he tried to harass us with it. Laughing

But, Do us all a favor..... Police your friggin space.
I do not have beef with CVA (this month) and I don't chase you guys.. I expect to not be chased about when you have isk farmers in your space.

Hell, you guys picked ME over the isk farmer and he was the easier target! Rolling Eyes

IF you want your macro numbers to decline leave me to hunt and gank them as I see fit.

While I am in UCAM I do not pirate - I hunt isk farmers.
When I feel I have killed enough of them what I do is kinda whatever the flavor of the month is. Laughing


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