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bunmastahflex
Fenscore Enterprises
United Corporations Against Macros
Posted - 2007.07.21 05:54:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Dysfunctionality
Originally by: bunmastahflex
Originally by: Dysfunctionality
Originally by: FarScape III
Name the Alliance!


NASA (New Age Solutions Amalgamated) Rolling Eyes


if what you say is true, that is truly disheartening. Confused


Yup, Got the logs, killmails, and names of about ten macros inside a corporation called "hopes of pirate" (TBH, if you ask me, it even sounds like a macro corp Laughing ) who reside in the "NASA" alliance.

It also seems they are getting bolder by the day.
And just for kicks, some funny chat log I ran across:

Macro > Why then you do have to pursue kill me?
Alt > we don't like isk farmers
Alt > the isk you earn goes to your boss
Alt > then he sells it, for real money
Alt > it ruins the game
Macro > You also are the ISK farmer
Alt > now if you would play the game like it was meant to be played, (for fun) then possibly, less people would hunt you.
Alt > nope
Alt > I myself am only here for a short time
Alt > That and I don't sell my isk for money
Alt > I use it to have fun, in a game
Alt > that game is EVE
Macro > We certainly cannot use ISK to receive in exchange for the money
Alt > That's a lie and you know it
Macro > NO
Alt > You're not very convincing
Macro > Does not believe me, I do not need to explain with you
Alt > is that so?
Alt > then what do you use your isk for?
Alt > OTHER THAN PAYING YOUR CORP OR BUYING A NEW RAVEN AND CLOAK
Macro > not your business


oh dear... Confused

guess i'll be having a chat with alexi borizkova and knifey mcshanker... not that i'm demanding they do something about it...

Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.21 06:02:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: bunmastahflex
guess i'll be having a chat with alexi borizkova and knifey mcshanker... not that i'm demanding they do something about it...


I've heard that their alliance is actually decent, don't know why they would harbor isk farmers if they knew better... but then again. This is EVE, anybody will do anything for some extra isk... and we all know that isk farmers have plenty to make you look the other way.
Rolling Eyes

bunmastahflex
Fenscore Enterprises
United Corporations Against Macros
Posted - 2007.07.21 06:05:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Dysfunctionality
Originally by: bunmastahflex
guess i'll be having a chat with alexi borizkova and knifey mcshanker... not that i'm demanding they do something about it...


I've heard that their alliance is actually decent, don't know why they would harbor isk farmers if they knew better... but then again. This is EVE, anybody will do anything for some extra isk... and we all know that isk farmers have plenty to make you look the other way.
Rolling Eyes


nas was (and probably still is) a decent group of people... i'm rather shocked to hear this accusation. not quite sure what will transpire if this is true or not, now that the word is out.

Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.21 06:15:00 - [94]
 

It's just odd to see them all by themselves in the middle of fountain with none of their alliance mates nearby. Not even a single POS and yet they claim to be "taking over" the local constellation.

KnifeyMcShanker
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.07.21 06:41:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Dysfunctionality
Originally by: FarScape III
Name the Alliance!


NASA (New Age Solutions Amalgamated) Rolling Eyes


I speak for NASA and I can tell you right now that the Chinese characters in the alliance are NOT macro-ers, I talked to them in Alliance chat quite frequently.

We recruited them because no one else would. People saw that they were Chinese and automatically thought they were macro-ers. We constantly have an eye on them, and if anyone can prove to me that they are doing anything against the EULA, please do so and they will be removed from the alliance immediately. Otherwise I suggest you stop bad mouthing alliances based on the race of their players.

KnifeyMcShanker
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.07.21 06:43:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Dysfunctionality
It's just odd to see them all by themselves in the middle of fountain with none of their alliance mates nearby. Not even a single POS and yet they claim to be "taking over" the local constellation.


We were steamrolled by Coreli and Exuro Mortis. We are in the process of moving to another region, but the [HPS] corp said they wanted to stay there and live out of NPC stations until we got settled in our new location. At the moment, the rest of the alliance is hanging around Lonetrek low/highsec.

Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.21 07:02:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 21/07/2007 07:02:14
Originally by: KnifeyMcShanker
I speak for NASA and I can tell you right now that the Chinese characters in the alliance are NOT macro-ers, I talked to them in Alliance chat quite frequently.

We recruited them because no one else would. People saw that they were Chinese and automatically thought they were macro-ers. We constantly have an eye on them, and if anyone can prove to me that they are doing anything against the EULA, please do so and they will be removed from the alliance immediately. Otherwise I suggest you stop bad mouthing alliances based on the race of their players.



You have your right to defend your alliance, but I'm basing all my statements on facts and previous experience with "Isk Farmers" (Not necessarily macros). Over my stay in fountain, I've run into numerous characters some that act "normal" and others that do not. The fellows I have in my address book all have the same behavior as the countless isk farmers I've seen around EVE. Now, my facts may not be entirely straight, but I do believe someone mentioned that some of these guys were in Xelas when they were in the region Confused

KnifeyMcShanker
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.07.21 07:08:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Dysfunctionality
You have your right to defend your alliance, but I'm basing all my statements on facts and previous experience with "Isk Farmers" (Not necessarily macros). Over my stay in fountain, I've run into numerous characters some that act "normal" and others that do not. The fellows I have in my address book all have the same behavior as the countless isk farmers I've seen around EVE. Now, my facts may not be entirely straight, but I do believe someone mentioned that some of these guys were in Xelas when they were in the region Confused


[HPS] is a 100% Chinese corp, and some of their members were in Xelas, I can confirm. I'm not sure if you realize how hard it is for them to recruit Chinese players on Tranquility. (I honestly don't know why they don't play on the China server.) Hopemoon spoke with me before recruiting ex-Xelas and I told him that as long as their isk remains theirs and that none of it is sold, they are acceptable.

Like I said, we have an eye on them. But if you are convinced they are macro-ers and isk sellers, please show me some proof. Or hey, ask a GM to investigate them. I will support this because I am confident that the GM will find them completely legit.

Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.21 07:15:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: KnifeyMcShanker
[HPS] is a 100% Chinese corp, and some of their members were in Xelas, I can confirm. I'm not sure if you realize how hard it is for them to recruit Chinese players on Tranquility. (I honestly don't know why they don't play on the China server.) Hopemoon spoke with me before recruiting ex-Xelas and I told him that as long as their isk remains theirs and that none of it is sold, they are acceptable.

Like I said, we have an eye on them. But if you are convinced they are macro-ers and isk sellers, please show me some proof. Or hey, ask a GM to investigate them. I will support this because I am confident that the GM will find them completely legit.


Thank you for not completely flaming me, props for that. However, I still hold to my views and will continue to seek evidence. They act too much like the isk farmers that I have had reported (and some banned) in the past, thus I am determined. Sorry ahead of time if nothing comes of this, but I have a very personal thing against these types of players. Rolling Eyes

KnifeyMcShanker
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.07.21 07:20:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Dysfunctionality

Thank you for not completely flaming me, props for that. However, I still hold to my views and will continue to seek evidence. They act too much like the isk farmers that I have had reported (and some banned) in the past, thus I am determined. Sorry ahead of time if nothing comes of this, but I have a very personal thing against these types of players. Rolling Eyes


I don't blame you, good luck.

Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
Posted - 2007.07.21 07:23:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: KnifeyMcShanker
(I honestly don't know why they don't play on the China server.)


tricky selling the isk on maybe?

Del369
Caldari
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.21 09:49:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Caios
Originally by: Tandori Tanaka
Basically they were Eve players like everyone else, the only difference was that they were online 16-20 hours a day and did some heavy ratting as long as nothing else was happening ...

Farmer or EvE addict Question


That's different from a normal eve player how? Laughing

Did they say they were farmers, or was it just assumed because of their nationality?

Exactly, funny thing is I had a BoB aquaintance trying to sell me the evils of isk farmers (or was it just people who don't speak english ?) he seemed quite flabergasted when i explained that after everything our msn friends had done to aquire the magic lamp, the genie(s), the treasure filled cave and the 3 million wishes, that i don't give a flying donkeys willy about wether someone who doesn't speak engrish is an isk farmer or not.
to funneh Cool

Gloomrake Ono
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.07.21 10:22:00 - [103]
 

I am not convinced by this one little bit.

My take on this is that these farmers have now almost been forced to display the fact that they dabble in other aspects of EvE almost as 'cover' for there Isk harvesting. One theory is that they have been warned about there activities and have been asked to prove that they have other interests within the game, now I may be wide of the mark with this but it is a distinct possibility.

Frankly I find IAC's situation regarding these farmers hilarious, and alliance so inept they have to resort to recruiting proven isk farmers.

Del369
Caldari
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.21 10:35:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Gloomrake Ono
I am not convinced by this one little bit.

My take on this is that these farmers have now almost been forced to display the fact that they dabble in other aspects of EvE almost as 'cover' for there Isk harvesting. One theory is that they have been warned about there activities and have been asked to prove that they have other interests within the game, now I may be wide of the mark with this but it is a distinct possibility.

Frankly I find IAC's situation regarding these farmers hilarious, and alliance so inept they have to resort to recruiting proven isk farmers.

Proven by who ? by you ? funny thing is if it was proven they would be banned not pvp'ing in their respective Alliances, and your alliances in game credibility really gives you the right to throw around accusations about other players doesn't it ? Rolling Eyes

Gloomrake Ono
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.07.21 10:41:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Del369
Originally by: Gloomrake Ono
I am not convinced by this one little bit.

My take on this is that these farmers have now almost been forced to display the fact that they dabble in other aspects of EvE almost as 'cover' for there Isk harvesting. One theory is that they have been warned about there activities and have been asked to prove that they have other interests within the game, now I may be wide of the mark with this but it is a distinct possibility.

Frankly I find IAC's situation regarding these farmers hilarious, and alliance so inept they have to resort to recruiting proven isk farmers.

Proven by who ? by you ? funny thing is if it was proven they would be banned not pvp'ing in their respective Alliances, and your alliances in game credibility really gives you the right to throw around accusations about other players doesn't it ? Rolling Eyes


Reputation Very Happy

Get a grip.

Del369
Caldari
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.21 10:48:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Gloomrake Ono
Originally by: Del369
Originally by: Gloomrake Ono
I am not convinced by this one little bit.

My take on this is that these farmers have now almost been forced to display the fact that they dabble in other aspects of EvE almost as 'cover' for there Isk harvesting. One theory is that they have been warned about there activities and have been asked to prove that they have other interests within the game, now I may be wide of the mark with this but it is a distinct possibility.

Frankly I find IAC's situation regarding these farmers hilarious, and alliance so inept they have to resort to recruiting proven isk farmers.

Proven by who ? by you ? funny thing is if it was proven they would be banned not pvp'ing in their respective Alliances, and your alliances in game credibility really gives you the right to throw around accusations about other players doesn't it ? Rolling Eyes


Reputation Very Happy

Get a grip.

Well there at least we agree Razz
But sorry after everything that's transpired the passed few months I can't help but feel that the hypocracy meter has been blown right off the end of the scale when it comes to players who don't speak english, if people are found to be isk farming macro'ing isk sellers then they are banned, all the rest is simply baseless accusation and conjecture, mind you i do realise that goes 2 ways....YARRRR!!

Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2007.07.21 11:01:00 - [107]
 

I guess the ISK farmers found out that those people who consider hunting farmers a challenge aren't the best and brightest of the PVPers around. ;-)


Gloomrake Ono
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.07.21 11:04:00 - [108]
 

Agreed.

More squares.

N'irrti
Amarr
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.07.21 11:16:00 - [109]
 

they still just playing the loggoffski game in the north Sad

Liliane Woodhead
Intergalactic Charwomen
Posted - 2007.07.21 11:43:00 - [110]
 

as we need more green text we need less farmers :P

Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.21 21:42:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Pan Crastus
I guess the ISK farmers found out that those people who consider hunting farmers a challenge aren't the best and brightest of the PVPers around. ;-)




If you insist on making moronic posts in my thread, at least read the entirety of the thread. I have not listed any actual hostile action towards the actual farmers, merely their attacks on the innocent ratters in "their" systems.

DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp
KenZoku
Posted - 2007.07.21 21:54:00 - [112]
 

del, you'd have to be an idiot to believe buesrew (and many others) are legitimate players.

I know you, you're not an idiot, you're just happy to stick your head in the sand because they pay you 1.2bn/week to stay in your alliance. I suppose all corps pay that to be in IAC? or does it just happen to be Buesrew? funny that ;)

pull the other one old friend :P

Originally by: Del369
Originally by: Gloomrake Ono
Originally by: Del369
Originally by: Gloomrake Ono
I am not convinced by this one little bit.

My take on this is that these farmers have now almost been forced to display the fact that they dabble in other aspects of EvE almost as 'cover' for there Isk harvesting. One theory is that they have been warned about there activities and have been asked to prove that they have other interests within the game, now I may be wide of the mark with this but it is a distinct possibility.

Frankly I find IAC's situation regarding these farmers hilarious, and alliance so inept they have to resort to recruiting proven isk farmers.

Proven by who ? by you ? funny thing is if it was proven they would be banned not pvp'ing in their respective Alliances, and your alliances in game credibility really gives you the right to throw around accusations about other players doesn't it ? Rolling Eyes


Reputation Very Happy

Get a grip.

Well there at least we agree Razz
But sorry after everything that's transpired the passed few months I can't help but feel that the hypocracy meter has been blown right off the end of the scale when it comes to players who don't speak english, if people are found to be isk farming macro'ing isk sellers then they are banned, all the rest is simply baseless accusation and conjecture, mind you i do realise that goes 2 ways....YARRRR!!

Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.21 22:51:00 - [113]
 

Interesting Update...
The following was a convo from one of my friends with one of the members of [HPS]. My friend was obviously not serious about the isk, being I told him to interact with some of the local farmers.

Macro > ISK is you buy?
Alt > i can
Alt > how do you guys sell it?
Alt > bundles of 100m isk?
Macro > I sell us Chinese people
Alt > you sell isk to people in US and people in China?
Macro > yes
Alt > does (*List Of other Macros*) help
Alt > to make the billions that would be needed, would need more then one person
Macro > ?
Alt > i need about 16billion isk
Alt > what would that cost about?
Alt > 16,000,000,000 isk
Macro > ?
Macro > I give you 16 .000.000.000
Alt > so does
Alt > (*List Of other Macros*)
Alt > help you also?
Alt > cause i do need 16 billion isk
Macro > 1.600.000.000.000
Alt > no
Alt > 16,000,000,000

The Macros name will be reported to CCP for investigation.

Stanis
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.07.21 22:55:00 - [114]
 

I've noticed the same thing, and even experianced it first hand (though I didn't die :P).

Utari G'Denoik
Gallente
Posted - 2007.07.23 15:06:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Utari G''Denoik on 23/07/2007 15:11:20
My corporation is part of the growing NASA alliance. Having been a former corp member of NAS I can assuredly state that NAS is fact driven and I for one would find it very hard to believe that anyone in NAS would knowingly or openly violate the EULA by supporting indiviudals using this method of play.

Another point, I want to openly acknowledge Dysfunctionality. There are times when each of us has not seen the forest for the trees, so when people take the time to point out pines and oaks, sometimes it helps all of us pay a little more attention. Right or wrong, we all need to have mechanisms for checks and balances.

Is there a site that lists or tracks these corps and their locations?

N'irrti
Amarr
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
Posted - 2007.07.23 16:25:00 - [116]
 

got ganked by 4 of them today Embarassed

Danny Centurai
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.07.24 03:47:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: N'irrti
got ganked by 4 of them today Embarassed


This is the attitude I hate to see. They might be Chinese but they aren't farmers. They PvP and they do it a darn load better than a load of the muppets trolling the forums.

Still waiting for the proof of farmers and Chinese names isn't proof, thats all you seem to go on these days. Real farmers hide out the way not in an alliance that was in the middle of hostile territory. That would be a nice way for a farmer to lose his raven and real income; add to that the fact real farmers have English names... people can use translators you know.

Also real farmers speak English shock horror I know but the Gold Farmers in WOW for example always have an English speaker available to fend off claims and chat to locals; the gold farming industry is quite open about how they operate. Real farmers are clever about how they do things, the people who point at a name see its Chinese and shout farmer well thats a different story.

Nicocat
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.07.24 05:03:00 - [118]
 

Glad to see my old alliance is actually getting attention, even if it is quite negative. Anyhoo, I must say that no, NASA doesn't harbor macroers, afaik. Farmers, well... there's a reason I left in disgust. =P

Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.24 06:52:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 24/07/2007 07:06:33
Originally by: Danny Centurai
Originally by: N'irrti
got ganked by 4 of them today Embarassed


This is the attitude I hate to see. They might be Chinese but they aren't farmers. They PvP and they do it a darn load better than a load of the muppets trolling the forums.

Still waiting for the proof of farmers and Chinese names isn't proof, thats all you seem to go on these days. Real farmers hide out the way not in an alliance that was in the middle of hostile territory. That would be a nice way for a farmer to lose his raven and real income; add to that the fact real farmers have English names... people can use translators you know.

Also real farmers speak English shock horror I know but the Gold Farmers in WOW for example always have an English speaker available to fend off claims and chat to locals; the gold farming industry is quite open about how they operate. Real farmers are clever about how they do things, the people who point at a name see its Chinese and shout farmer well thats a different story.


Your knowledge of farmers is pretty nice. But ask yourself. These [HPS] players, have you ever seen them outside of their ratting grounds? Besides traveling back and forth with their loot, have you seen them participate with any other activities? Have they taken part in any alliance activities? Operations? I, for one, have not. And with some simple digging, they appear to have never even left Fountain. These are some of the things you look for when investigating isk farmers. I wish if could be different, I wish people wouldn't sell isk for money, but the facts and evidence proves otherwise in this case.

I've spent quite some time following isk farmers and investigating them the best I can with the available tools. I know how they run and how they die. These characters have no standings with anyone but CONCORD and the rats they kill. No agents, no nothing. They all fly Ravens. They all fit cloaks. Some of them were even made within the same hour. Although, In this case, I've noticed that they actually do have a few pvp'er within their corp, but they exist MERELY to protect their ravens. The proof is there, now it's only a matter of time.

Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.24 06:54:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 24/07/2007 07:02:45
Originally by: Nicocat
Glad to see my old alliance is actually getting attention, even if it is quite negative. Anyhoo, I must say that no, NASA doesn't harbor macroers, afaik. Farmers, well... there's a reason I left in disgust. =P


If I said Macro's I didn't mean to, the word seems to stick when it comes to these topics. Isk Farmers is the correct term.

I'd also like to add the fact of the existence of the Chinese server. It exists for a reason. I don't see why they wouldn't play on that server, being it's probably a HUGE hassle playing on Tranq. instead.


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