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Nachshon
Caldari
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2007.07.19 19:50:00 - [61]
 

So, they are starting to PvP, eh?

My response:

TO WAR! TAKE UP YOUR TURRETS, YOUR LAUNCHERS, AND YOUR DRONES! DRIVE THEM OUT! PURGE OUR SYSTEMS OF ISK SELLERS! KILL THEM! KILL THEM ALL!

Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.19 19:52:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 19/07/2007 19:54:17
Originally by: Shanur
Oh ok. I thought all macro farmers hid in newbie corps in high sec to avoid being attacked. Interesting to see they are actually trying to stake out their own chunk of 0.0.



Actually the Isk farmers I was talking about are actually in a newly formed corporation, inside an alliance I've never heard about in the past. From some local chat, I've found out that they are actively trying to defend a certain part of fountain for their ravens. Harboring isk farmers is such a rampant problem in EVE right now :(

Barkode
Bad Robot Inc.
Red Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.19 19:58:00 - [63]
 

Successful man corp, frege alliances chinese macro ratting corp does this also. Basically they will get all of the Ravens from systems within about 10 jumps to the one system they have people attacking in, then decide it is finally safe to attack with their 15 ravens fitted with WD IIs

Vrizuh
VTECHS
Posted - 2007.07.19 20:18:00 - [64]
 

Back in Lineage2 (chron 1), adena farmers were hated not so much for the farming, but because they violently defended their farming areas. That they've learned to do so in eve is no surprise to me. They were a truely deadly force. You couldnt go near any dungeons pre like level 40 because they'd dominated the areas so thoroughly (they later moved on up but Id quit by then).

However, same rules apply as if they were a pirate gang. So, oh wells. Just as long as they dont use too many 3rd party programs like they did in lineage... (ie "see all" radar)

Haradgrim
Systematic Mercantilism
Posted - 2007.07.19 20:24:00 - [65]
 

Its like the borg:

"They have adapted"

FarScape III
Journey On Squad
Posted - 2007.07.19 20:28:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: FarScape III on 19/07/2007 20:29:45
Edited by: FarScape III on 19/07/2007 20:28:18
Originally by: Donges
Hello friends how are you all today? I am fine. My name is Donges and I think it is actually very positive that our isk farming brethren are changing their ways of isk farming and starting to PVP because that is what the game is all about, right? Maybe the thrill of shooting other players will make them change altogether and stop their illegal activities and start being real PVPers instead of mining all day long or ratting or whatever it is that these "players" do and it may be fun to see if they will make a coalition of sorts and declare a part of EVE as isk farming space where they will all rove around in battleship gangs killing people because they come there expecting to kill isk farmers but they are actually pvpers. I think it will be very interesting to see how this whole thing plays out!!! This is just my two cents I just wanted to let you guys know how I feel about this whole matter because my opinion on this is important and I know you all want to know how I feel about this, isn't that right friends.

Your friend,
Donges

But if they still sell the isk for real money then they are still scum or the poeple who are forcing them to do it are scum.

P.S. Why are you postig with an alt?

Originally by: Dysfunctionality
Edited by: Dysfunctionality on 19/07/2007 19:54:17
Originally by: Shanur
Oh ok. I thought all macro farmers hid in newbie corps in high sec to avoid being attacked. Interesting to see they are actually trying to stake out their own chunk of 0.0.



Actually the Isk farmers I was talking about are actually in a newly formed corporation, inside an alliance I've never heard about in the past. From some local chat, I've found out that they are actively trying to defend a certain part of fountain for their ravens. Harboring isk farmers is such a rampant problem in EVE right now :(

Name the Alliance!

Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Posted - 2007.07.19 20:40:00 - [67]
 

Quote:
macro's recored mouse movements prior to using the program to acheive the desired effect ie: repetitive tasks not random stuff.


This is not quite true. While yes, a simple macro is just a string of recorded input, there are applications that have scripting capability which allows one to create a program which will perform input actions (clicks and keystrokes) based on what is going on on screen.

That aside, the majority of the characters in game which people call 'macros' are in reality a real person in a sweatshop. sometimes these people will be running more than one PC. This does not make the fact that they are farming ISK to sell for real cash any less of a bad thing however, but it does mean that they have the ability to defend themselves as they apparently have started doing.

shady trader
Posted - 2007.07.19 20:42:00 - [68]
 

How long before will start seeing Isk farmers carrying out suicide attacks on other groups of isk farmers? a couple of drozen trail accounts against a barge, getting concord'ed and then coming back in more rookie ships.

Or them going to war over the best systems in low sec and 0.0.

There is two ways they can increase there profits sell more but this drives done price or reduce the supply (i.e. get rid of the other groups to force prices up.

I am a bit supprised that they have not started hacking other websites that sell isk and carrying out denial of service attacks yet.

I wonder that they do if then they move to attack, you active a cyro feild, will they run thinking caps are about to jump in, or a hord of tacker ships (via a titan's jump bridge) or stay and fight ?

Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
Posted - 2007.07.19 21:03:00 - [69]
 

its a shame that CCP can't or won't prevent any new account created that are used in china, if a country has its own server then its people shouldn't be on the international server. Though this sounds harsh, if done right, it would prevent allot of the problems. Another fix would be to limit the amount of active clients on any one ip.

Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2007.07.19 21:05:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Nian Banks
its a shame that CCP can't or won't prevent any new account created that are used in china, if a country has its own server then its people shouldn't be on the international server. Though this sounds harsh, if done right, it would prevent allot of the problems. Another fix would be to limit the amount of active clients on any one ip.

No, it wouldn't people would just use proxy servers to fake their IP addresses. I really wish people would stop suggesting this one. Rolling Eyes

Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
Posted - 2007.07.19 21:10:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Nian Banks
its a shame that CCP can't or won't prevent any new account created that are used in china, if a country has its own server then its people shouldn't be on the international server. Though this sounds harsh, if done right, it would prevent allot of the problems. Another fix would be to limit the amount of active clients on any one ip.

No, it wouldn't people would just use proxy servers to fake their IP addresses. I really wish people would stop suggesting this one. Rolling Eyes


True enough, but atleast it would add that extra bit of lag to them so you have a more fighting chance.

Vrizuh
VTECHS
Posted - 2007.07.19 21:20:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Nian Banks
its a shame that CCP can't or won't prevent any new account created that are used in china, if a country has its own server then its people shouldn't be on the international server. Though this sounds harsh, if done right, it would prevent allot of the problems. Another fix would be to limit the amount of active clients on any one ip.



I believe China has laws about playing any computer games longer than x hours (I think x=4). If a government of a future superpower cannot stop them, what is a small Iceland company supposed to do? Besides, they aren't here to play, they're here to work. The Chinese players are on their own server, or else are here PLAYING and there should be nothing against them doing so.

Lastly, most use Canadian proxies iirc. Even companies that could probably buy small nations (Blizzard) have an epidemic of them and cannot stop it. I am confident that CCP will handle this better than most mmo companies. Nulsec isn't safe. As long as they boost nulsec, and continue to use a sp system that cannot be power levelled then the farmers will always be taking losses.

Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
Posted - 2007.07.19 21:36:00 - [73]
 

Hello friends how are you all today? I am fine. I need to tell you that I've met a hauling isky farming macro in a Bestower a few month ago that was threatened by a gate camper. Suddenly the macro was crying in local something like: "Oh no, please DON'T KILL ME, please NO NO NO..." The pirate was shocked about this unexpected explosion of emotions that he forgot to hit the fire buttons of his full rack of rails. A few seconds later the macro jumped through the gate and survived. Frightening! Obviously those macros have developed subtle psychological PVP technics which must be analyzed in details to be better prepared in future.

Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.19 21:36:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: FarScape III
Name the Alliance!


NASA (New Age Solutions Amalgamated) Rolling Eyes

Raven Hyperbollic
Enslave.
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2007.07.19 21:43:00 - [75]
 

I'm waiting for the first true 'isk farming' alliance in .0 to appear is it going to happen or would the tight fisted pod pilots cut into their isk margins to much to create one and maintain one. :)

I was attacked by these so called farmers when I ratted in a system with them. I was hit on by two blue raven's and a typhoon... all three was blue and from 3 different alliance's.

It would have been funny if I'd not lost my ship lol.

Nobuo213
Gallente
Mutually Assured Destruction
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2007.07.19 21:48:00 - [76]
 

I've had them attack & kill my hauler in high-sec when I was looting from them,not a shock that they'll defend their space.

Jenna Shame
Posted - 2007.07.19 22:54:00 - [77]
 

Maybe they hired a few people from the China shard to come pvp for them. Its obviously a business decision since it just started happening with all the same corps we have figured out are isk sellers (shame CCP doesn't figure it out :P )

Victor Valka
Caldari
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2007.07.20 10:04:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Vrizuh
Originally by: Nian Banks
its a shame that CCP can't or won't prevent any new account created that are used in china, if a country has its own server then its people shouldn't be on the international server. Though this sounds harsh, if done right, it would prevent allot of the problems. Another fix would be to limit the amount of active clients on any one ip.



I believe China has laws about playing any computer games longer than x hours (I think x=4). If a government of a future superpower cannot stop them, what is a small Iceland company supposed to do? Besides, they aren't here to play, they're here to work. The Chinese players are on their own server, or else are here PLAYING and there should be nothing against them doing so.

Lastly, most use Canadian proxies iirc. Even companies that could probably buy small nations (Blizzard) have an epidemic of them and cannot stop it. I am confident that CCP will handle this better than most mmo companies. Nulsec isn't safe. As long as they boost nulsec, and continue to use a sp system that cannot be power levelled then the farmers will always be taking losses.
Little known fact: Most "Chinese" farmers are not from China.

Tandori Tanaka
Tanaka Stuff and Supplies
Posted - 2007.07.20 10:24:00 - [79]
 

“The Farmers were created by the goldfarming industry. They Rebelled. They Evolved. They Look and Feel like EvE players. Some get paid to PvP. There are many copies. And they have a Plan.”

Sean Dillon
Caldari
Surreal corp
Posted - 2007.07.20 10:54:00 - [80]
 

If they attack, thats just great. Get a dictor in system, drop bubble cyno carrier in and pew pew.

NOObbody
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.20 11:00:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Sean Dillon
If they attack, thats just great. Get a dictor in system, drop bubble cyno carrier in and pew pew.


A ceptorgang will do the trick too.

low sig radius.
.
they has it.Razz

FarScape III
Journey On Squad
Posted - 2007.07.21 03:36:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Dysfunctionality
Originally by: FarScape III
Name the Alliance!


NASA (New Age Solutions Amalgamated) Rolling Eyes
Ah yes :) Thx for the info.

Selene Le'Cotiere
Amarr
Farlight Council
Elitist Cowards
Posted - 2007.07.21 03:46:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Tandori Tanaka
“The Farmers were created by the goldfarming industry. They Rebelled. They Evolved. They Look and Feel like EvE players. Some get paid to PvP. There are many copies. And they have a Plan.”
Duh-Duh-Duh-Duunnnn...Shocked

Calisto Cody
Minmatar
The Black Swan Society
Posted - 2007.07.21 03:58:00 - [84]
 

"WE WILL VIOLENCE YOUR BOATS, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!!!"

they will be posting on the forums next

bunmastahflex
Fenscore Enterprises
United Corporations Against Macros
Posted - 2007.07.21 04:08:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Dysfunctionality
Originally by: FarScape III
Name the Alliance!


NASA (New Age Solutions Amalgamated) Rolling Eyes


if what you say is true, that is truly disheartening. Confused

Nanobotter Mk2
Posted - 2007.07.21 04:20:00 - [86]
 

Quote:
I still can't get over the fact that they have actually adapted. They really are like monkeys...



You might be in for a big surprise and that surprise is there isnt much skill or tactics in EVE pvp. Just numbers and ISK + skills. Much like in lineage2 people soon discovered it was impossible to beat the farmers in pvp...why? well because it was a job for them to play the game. they have near unlimited resources and time. So while it hurts your pocket book to loose a ship it means nothing to them, and while you need to goto work sleep etc, there is ALWAYS another one of them ready to take over 23/7. you cannot beat the borg. the one advantage you have in eve is that they cannot out level you by playing 23/7 they can only out earn you.

Trust me when I say if they decide to fight back there is going to be alot of cry babies on these boards whining about farmers pwning all the good spots in 0.0, right now they don;t fight because logging out is easiest, and waiting you out, but as you can see try to take over the place that feeds them REAL LIFE food and they like a cornered rat will fight back and they will beat yourarse more often than not, because they will always have more firepower, and they have endless accounts and time to do stuff like using a throw away pod to scout you out first.

Cadiz
Caldari
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.07.21 05:09:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
Trust me when I say if they decide to fight back there is going to be alot of cry babies on these boards whining about farmers pwning all the good spots in 0.0, right now they don;t fight because logging out is easiest, and waiting you out, but as you can see try to take over the place that feeds them REAL LIFE food and they like a cornered rat will fight back and they will beat yourarse more often than not, because they will always have more firepower, and they have endless accounts and time to do stuff like using a throw away pod to scout you out first.

...So, basically the same as the Russian 'plex-farmers, then.

Gyrn Fzirth
Minmatar
Phantom Squad
Atlas.
Posted - 2007.07.21 05:15:00 - [88]
 

heh - I killed two of them in g-uthl a while back. I jumped in, saw yeshio in local and picked a belt (there are only 5 or so) and warped to 0. I landed right on him and engaged with my autopest. A few seconds later, yeship jumped in and warped to the belt - oh no another raven!

popped the first and I still had 30% armor. Went for the second - he popped while I still had 30% struc.

oh, I guess I only killed one then. Hi yeshio/p/u! =)

Atreides Horza
Caldari
Malum.
Posted - 2007.07.21 05:38:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Dysfunctionality
Apparently some of the local Isk farmers up in Fountain have been reported killing some of the residents who attempt to hunt NPC pirates in "their" systems. So far I've seen a few killmails from various killboards, listing deaths to their "blobs" of ravens (and the occasional Ishtar/Arazu), where the comments that followed were:

"I was ratting..."
"They jumped me!!! I didn't even go for them!!!"
"What the hell just happened?..."

And many other (quite funny) statements.

Anyone else seen this? Just Curious if it's only happening in Fountain. Laughing


Two groups of isk farmers have been fighting each other for months in Verge Vendor. They had three guys who started sitting at gates with BCs to pop the competition's haulers. Then, after we hit them a couple of times, they started doing it in BSes within docking range. Jovainnnon has had several of them working like that for quite some time. They sit there, popping haulers. Then some gang comes along and smells the possibility for easy kills, camp the stations, they dock, haulers start moving again, they undock and kill a few more - rinse and repeat.

They also do a lot of their lvl3s and lvl4s in Aeschee. In periods with lack of targets, I and a few associates of mine would scan their missions out and go in for a fast pop and some looting.

One day I was solo, engaging a raven with my navy vexor (yeah, you can do that with those guys), when a drake and an omen joins them. After tanking them a while, I return to swap for a Brutix. As I came back in, I engaged the raven again - but all of the sudden notice a domi and Rokh come in. The Rokh was all nos fitted, and that pretty much ended the fight on my part.

In conclusion: There are macros and there are sweatshop workers. The sweatshop workers - or the smart ones, at least - must've realized that playing at least some acounts actively not only means you can get rid of the competition easily. It also means CCP will have a harder time classifying them as being in EULA violation, perhaps.

I don't really care. It means more fights and more money for me. I do care, though, that the region has 5 haulers coming through each gate pr minute on average - all of which are in the isk selling business.



Dysfunctionality
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2007.07.21 05:39:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: bunmastahflex
Originally by: Dysfunctionality
Originally by: FarScape III
Name the Alliance!


NASA (New Age Solutions Amalgamated) Rolling Eyes


if what you say is true, that is truly disheartening. Confused


Yup, Got the logs, killmails, and names of about ten macros inside a corporation called "hopes of pirate" (TBH, if you ask me, it even sounds like a macro corp Laughing ) who reside in the "NASA" alliance.

It also seems they are getting bolder by the day.
And just for kicks, some funny chat log I ran across:

Macro > Why then you do have to pursue kill me?
Alt > we don't like isk farmers
Alt > the isk you earn goes to your boss
Alt > then he sells it, for real money
Alt > it ruins the game
Macro > You also are the ISK farmer
Alt > now if you would play the game like it was meant to be played, (for fun) then possibly, less people would hunt you.
Alt > nope
Alt > I myself am only here for a short time
Alt > That and I don't sell my isk for money
Alt > I use it to have fun, in a game
Alt > that game is EVE
Macro > We certainly cannot use ISK to receive in exchange for the money
Alt > That's a lie and you know it
Macro > NO
Alt > You're not very convincing
Macro > Does not believe me, I do not need to explain with you
Alt > is that so?
Alt > then what do you use your isk for?
Alt > OTHER THAN PAYING YOUR CORP OR BUYING A NEW RAVEN AND CLOAK
Macro > not your business


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