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frihetskjemper
Posted - 2007.07.25 01:19:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz
Originally by: Renosha Argaron

Roy i would see your point had he been in low sec and been on auto pilot, but that was not the case....autopilot is there for a reason.


Guns are there for a reason: For me to shoot your ship in highsec.
Why do I lose all isk and you get full insurance that I can not get on my cargo?

frihetskjemper
Posted - 2007.07.25 18:02:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: NeoTheo
isnt the answer pretty simple?

have concord Pod people who attack folks in hig sec, that should be ok, then people cant complain there are no down sides, also make the security hit much much worse.

the bottom line is High sec is not 100% safe, it never has been since i have played.

i think that this is 6 of one and half a dozen of another to coin a english phrase. carebares should understand that high sec isnt totally safe and you still need to take care (what if there had been a RAT at the gates as part of a event or something? ok that never happens but you get the point) - but also there would be no harm in making concord do alittle more than BBQ your ship for high sec piracy, if you wanna do it, then you would really have to be sure its worth it.

/theo
Podding from CONCORD may be what industrialists want suicide gankers to experience?

Eric Watson
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.07.25 18:39:00 - [153]
 

I think poding, no insurance and a HUGE sec hit is an appropriate penalty if caught pirating in high sec space. However....I think that CONCORD should be less effective catching people as the sec level decreases in high sec space....so that a well organized pirate group could get lucky and get away with it.

I think that "suicide" piracy is a crazy abuse of a game mechanic (clones, insurance and having another person pick up the loot)....and should not be only way to be a pirate in high sec.

IMO what needs to happen is that normal piracy in high sec needs to be possible (well...maybe impossible in 1.0 but possible in 0.5) however it should be very difficult. Suicide piracy on the other hand should never be allowed. I mean think about it...repeatedly suiciding is...well....sort of a contradiction in terms....lol.

frihetskjemper
Posted - 2007.07.25 20:37:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: Eric Watson
I think poding, no insurance and a HUGE sec hit is an appropriate penalty if caught pirating in high sec space. However....I think that CONCORD should be less effective catching people as the sec level decreases in high sec space....so that a well organized pirate group could get lucky and get away with it.

I think that "suicide" piracy is a crazy abuse of a game mechanic (clones, insurance and having another person pick up the loot)....and should not be only way to be a pirate in high sec.

IMO what needs to happen is that normal piracy in high sec needs to be possible (well...maybe impossible in 1.0 but possible in 0.5) however it should be very difficult. Suicide piracy on the other hand should never be allowed. I mean think about it...repeatedly suiciding is...well....sort of a contradiction in terms....lol.
How can you do piracy in high security when any offensive action creates suicide result?

frihetskjemper
Posted - 2007.07.26 00:16:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Culdees
while there are no real consequences for the act of suicide ganking, it cant possibly be classed as an act of pirating, i mean a pirate suicide bombs himself for some isk hehe. there is no roleplay there, just easy ways to make isk off the backs of others. nothing more. none of these stupid glory stories of how difficult it is to sit at a gate and scan cargo all day.. oooh that must the BEST pvp players eve has to offer.. heh i think not.

am i to believe that this is what everyone is to expect from eve in the future?

well no matter, i think most players and people who play/see eve will realize that suicide gankers and other such lowlifes are very much in the minority.

the best solution i can think of was posted previously many times by different people and that is make the act of scanning cargo an aggresive act. it would fit the theme of future pirates more than suicide ganking. its not much of a stretch to believe such technology would exist in the future, i mean police can detect radar detectors in cars now.


In this cold hard world EVE where pilots are reborn into clones anytime they die this is valid rp style of play.

Emokid 94
Posted - 2007.07.26 00:26:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: St0mper
Mogodishu is not a high sec area... but if i where in copenhagen i would call the local police cause that would be high sec compared to yea well any other place.


Since when is Copenhagen considered safe? Its full of danes :P

Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
Posted - 2007.07.26 00:33:00 - [157]
 

Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 26/07/2007 00:36:56
Hi sec ganking is fine. Maybe kick insurance payouts off, but high sec ganking should always be allowed.

Quote:
I mean think about it...repeatedly suiciding is...well....sort of a contradiction in terms....lol.


Welcome to what happens if people could clone themselves :)

Quote:
Why do I lose all isk and you get full insurance that I can not get on my cargo?


Since when do people who suicide gank get insurance on their fits and cargo? I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

To test, lets get my raven filled up with Crystal Omegas, then I'll suicide gank and lets see me get my billions back.

To paraphrase an old quote,, "Fear the man with nothing to lose". Even after all that gain from suicide ganking, I don't see those guys losing their stuff.

Culdees
Posted - 2007.07.26 02:31:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: frihetskjemper
Originally by: Culdees
while there are no real consequences for the act of suicide ganking, it cant possibly be classed as an act of pirating, i mean a pirate suicide bombs himself for some isk hehe. there is no roleplay there, just easy ways to make isk off the backs of others. nothing more. none of these stupid glory stories of how difficult it is to sit at a gate and scan cargo all day.. oooh that must the BEST pvp players eve has to offer.. heh i think not.

am i to believe that this is what everyone is to expect from eve in the future?

well no matter, i think most players and people who play/see eve will realize that suicide gankers and other such lowlifes are very much in the minority.

the best solution i can think of was posted previously many times by different people and that is make the act of scanning cargo an aggresive act. it would fit the theme of future pirates more than suicide ganking. its not much of a stretch to believe such technology would exist in the future, i mean police can detect radar detectors in cars now.


In this cold hard world EVE where pilots are reborn into clones anytime they die this is valid rp style of play.


its valid to those that will do anything to get ahead in a game. nothing to do with the game, just the character of the player. if it had some connection with the game ie a practical ROLE, then it would be ok by me.

frihetskjemper
Posted - 2007.07.26 19:33:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Culdees
Originally by: frihetskjemper
Originally by: Culdees
while there are no real consequences for the act of suicide ganking, it cant possibly be classed as an act of pirating, i mean a pirate suicide bombs himself for some isk hehe. there is no roleplay there, just easy ways to make isk off the backs of others. nothing more. none of these stupid glory stories of how difficult it is to sit at a gate and scan cargo all day.. oooh that must the BEST pvp players eve has to offer.. heh i think not.

am i to believe that this is what everyone is to expect from eve in the future?

well no matter, i think most players and people who play/see eve will realize that suicide gankers and other such lowlifes are very much in the minority.

the best solution i can think of was posted previously many times by different people and that is make the act of scanning cargo an aggresive act. it would fit the theme of future pirates more than suicide ganking. its not much of a stretch to believe such technology would exist in the future, i mean police can detect radar detectors in cars now.


In this cold hard world EVE where pilots are reborn into clones anytime they die this is valid rp style of play.


its valid to those that will do anything to get ahead in a game. nothing to do with the game, just the character of the player. if it had some connection with the game ie a practical ROLE, then it would be ok by me.
Role to keep eve dangerous fat wallet from exploding.

frihetskjemper
Posted - 2007.07.26 22:09:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 26/07/2007 00:36:56
Hi sec ganking is fine. Maybe kick insurance payouts off, but high sec ganking should always be allowed.

Quote:
I mean think about it...repeatedly suiciding is...well....sort of a contradiction in terms....lol.


Welcome to what happens if people could clone themselves :)

Quote:
Why do I lose all isk and you get full insurance that I can not get on my cargo?


Since when do people who suicide gank get insurance on their fits and cargo? I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

To test, lets get my raven filled up with Crystal Omegas, then I'll suicide gank and lets see me get my billions back.

To paraphrase an old quote,, "Fear the man with nothing to lose". Even after all that gain from suicide ganking, I don't see those guys losing their stuff.
Freighter cargo more expensive than freighter ship.

Minmatar096773
Posted - 2007.08.31 10:50:00 - [161]
 

Does anyone still do this to gain isk? Not just to destroy others?

ttrrwafsfamfjkasjf
Posted - 2007.08.31 18:56:00 - [162]
 

I can't even get killed when i go to 0.0. Crying or Very sad

Nanobotter Mk2
Posted - 2007.08.31 19:00:00 - [163]
 

Quote:
Nowhere in EVE is safe...



Odd I could be wrong but it seems to me that the suicide ganker in his cheaply fitted insured ship is safe, along with the empty hauler he flies on an alt account are safe....Which brings us to the crux of the issue doesn't it.....

Terrible Ivan
Posted - 2007.09.01 01:44:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Thuul'Khalat
EVE is risk vs reward.

Wanna make highsec = no risk?
Then it should also be highsec = no reward.







Nicely put.

Kuura Elson
Posted - 2007.09.13 17:05:00 - [165]
 

After spending some time mining and saving up ISK I was hurt and confused why my ship was blown up with some goods that I thought I could use in my first round of trading.

It is true that some measure of notice would have helped as I thought to get into the game one would just need to stay in 0.5 and higher space.

This in addition to Concord blasting me for accidentally shooting a gangmates can have really made me consider my renewal.

Perhaps immunity for paid accounts that are young (e.g. 30 days and younger like me) would help. I can understand the pros and cons in this thread but for me it is prob too late.

As of now I will not be renewing my subscription with Eve. (btw cheers to all the friendly people in the corp channel - you guys are really mature and great compared to other MMORPGS - but this game is too gray for my liking).

Kritinana
Minmatar
The New Mexican Connection
Posted - 2007.09.13 18:41:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Kuura Elson
As of now I will not be renewing my subscription with Eve. (btw cheers to all the friendly people in the corp channel - you guys are really mature and great compared to other MMORPGS - but this game is too gray for my liking).


/inevitable

gimme your stuff pls. kthx

Poe
Posted - 2007.09.13 19:49:00 - [167]
 

Edited by: Poe on 13/09/2007 19:50:52
Edited by: Poe on 13/09/2007 19:49:32
My opinion is simple. Right now, you have to play the game as it is written. Which means, if you are flying in a destroyer (without a very good tank), or less as far as protection goes, and carrying something expensive, you need to A: Stay out of Low-sec (because of the current binge of MS gate bombing) and B: Warp to 0 and never go to the bathroom unless you are in a station. If you you choose to go afk on auto with something expensive with a thin ship, shame on you.

That said. I do not believe, regardless of what the defenders of the practice say, there is a risk/reward balance here. I know personally someone who does this in a BC and just nabbed a 1.5 Billion (Billion with a B) ISK module. OOOHHH he's KOS with Who khows Who.. He made 1.5B he logs out, lets the kill rights expire, and plays his main in his shiny new toys. It is a joke. It can be done on less than 30 days training in a BC that is insured. The biggest risk is loss of the expensive bit you are after in the explosion and have to spend the money for insurance again to try again. It is so lucrative that people are using it to replace research as a main source of income, and believe me, I have considered it. 1.5 billion for 10 minutes work is hard to ignore.

Edit - wish I could type..


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