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Deva Blackfire
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2007.07.09 22:15:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: dastommy79
Originally by: touchvill
To all the people slating boo here, lets have a look at the facts and then tell me if it's such a bad thing to do.

FLA are an alliance who are renowned for putting up a hell of a fight no matter what. They are currently based in empire, and opperate in the pipe of which boo resides.

You look at that and there is no better option for a war. Just so happens that their putting up a fight reputation has faded away.


Eh its an empire war. What do ya expect. 24/7 camping you guys in a station? Honestly its not worth engaging an enemy in empire because there are too many places to hide and too many rules. Its really not practical and a logistics nightmare trying to find a name in local in 100+ systems. Plus u hardly ever get a straight fight and our pilots are trained for 00 warfare not empire gank. Not gonna solo a command ship in my thorax either.

As for us not putting up a fight, remeber the BC vs Faction BS fight or yesterday when a thanatos went after your mach pilot after he popped me. When u guys got skull, we got a nice 8 man Heavy Ships gang and went lookin for ya.

Empire wars just arnt that fun



Trained for 0.0 warfare? Ahhh so thats why your hyperion+raven couldnt break my t2 eos (no i dont use faction fit) for like 3-4 minutes? And yes i called support - coz if i started to solo kill both of your ships they would just deaggro and run.

If it were on asteroid belt guess at least one would die faster. Other would prolly run anyways.

Kvarium Ki
Amarr
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.07.09 22:19:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Kvarium Ki on 09/07/2007 22:21:06
Come on boo, what do you think people are? Monkeys?

You come into a system and say in local "come fight me please", granted you're very polite and all but you can't possibly expect corps/alliance that you wardec to entertain you every time you throw a peanut.

If you where really looking for a challenge you should of war deced an alliance known for it's high skilled pvp players. That's not FLA, we're just stupid kids that throw ourselves at brick walls.

The thing is, in empire you have nothing to fight for, nothing to defend. It's not your space, it's not your stations, so where is the incentive? For fun? Well yeah, fighting is allways fun but I think it's more fun to go roaming in 0.0

Edit. Why is this turning into an other flame FLA fest? Oh right, it's CAOD, sorry.

dastommy79
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2007.07.09 22:29:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Deva Blackfire
Originally by: dastommy79
Originally by: touchvill
To all the people slating boo here, lets have a look at the facts and then tell me if it's such a bad thing to do.

FLA are an alliance who are renowned for putting up a hell of a fight no matter what. They are currently based in empire, and opperate in the pipe of which boo resides.

You look at that and there is no better option for a war. Just so happens that their putting up a fight reputation has faded away.


Eh its an empire war. What do ya expect. 24/7 camping you guys in a station? Honestly its not worth engaging an enemy in empire because there are too many places to hide and too many rules. Its really not practical and a logistics nightmare trying to find a name in local in 100+ systems. Plus u hardly ever get a straight fight and our pilots are trained for 00 warfare not empire gank. Not gonna solo a command ship in my thorax either.

As for us not putting up a fight, remeber the BC vs Faction BS fight or yesterday when a thanatos went after your mach pilot after he popped me. When u guys got skull, we got a nice 8 man Heavy Ships gang and went lookin for ya.

Empire wars just arnt that fun



Trained for 0.0 warfare? Ahhh so thats why your hyperion+raven couldnt break my t2 eos (no i dont use faction fit) for like 3-4 minutes? And yes i called support - coz if i started to solo kill both of your ships they would just deaggro and run.

If it were on asteroid belt guess at least one would die faster. Other would prolly run anyways.


ok


Master OlavPancrazio
Caldari
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2007.07.09 22:29:00 - [34]
 

Empire wars always involved undock/dock hero. So yeh, empire wars have always sucked. Not sure whats new.

Shiraz Merlot
Caldari
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.09 22:39:00 - [35]
 

boo was my first ever pvp kill. His gistii-fitted cerberus was holding off a small rzr gang and only died when my blackbird turned up. Happy memories :D

Been a EWar h0 ever since.

Kuentai
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.07.09 23:05:00 - [36]
 

Eh? You say empire war decs suck but you war decced an alliance that lives in 0.0?

Howling Jinn
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2007.07.09 23:22:00 - [37]
 

hey look at the top!
where is that system?? deep inside empire for sure!!
BIG HINT

StarCommWraith
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.07.10 00:29:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: StarCommWraith on 10/07/2007 00:34:02
Originally by: boo3916
Smile
*some stuff bout not being able to have fun killing in empire*


Dude if you really want to have fun and stuff come down to 0.0 and play. I sent you a evemail.

boo3916
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.07.10 00:34:00 - [39]
 

Smile
dude, probably 95% of my kills are in 0.0 and theres quite a few, i reverted to empire wars because of the limited playing time i now get.

and fyi fla are not 0.0 based anymore

StarCommWraith
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.07.10 00:42:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: boo3916
Smile
dude, probably 95% of my kills are in 0.0 and theres quite a few, i reverted to empire wars because of the limited playing time i now get.

and fyi fla are not 0.0 based anymore


Oh i thought you spent all your time fighting in empire lol. well i guess privateers if they werent so scared to fight without having 10 to 1 odds.

Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.07.10 01:11:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: boo3916
Smile
dude, probably 95% of my kills are in 0.0 and theres quite a few, i reverted to empire wars because of the limited playing time i now get.



Doesn't matter how limited your playtime is, you need somebody (or an alt) to tackle. What the christ is with all the "PEOPLE WONT TACKLE THEMSELVES, THIS IS AN OUTRAGE" threads ?

violator2k5
Caldari
Poor Old Ornery nOObs
Turdz Asshatz N Grieferz
Posted - 2007.07.10 04:31:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: boo3916
i decided to go back to my old corp YNC and be a 1 man corp and war decc some alliance and random corps


i remember when i first met you guys in combat, had a lot of respect for your team play and abilities. its a real shame that yesodic nomads corp (YNC) isnt the corp i remember. hopefully you guys still hook up from time to time to go do some pvp together Wink

Bushey
Caldari
Relative Dynamics
Posted - 2007.07.10 04:39:00 - [43]
 

Empire wars are fun. You guys just aren't doing it right Confused

insolace
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.07.10 05:29:00 - [44]
 

I blame the nerfing of warp core stabs. There used to be a time when people would risk their ships because they were under the assumption that they could get away, but an industrious character could pack enough points and sacrifice some mid slots or cap to make things happen.

Now everyone just runs and cowers.

boo3916
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.07.10 07:25:00 - [45]
 

Smile
hey violater,
ync didnt fold as such mate, the numbers started getting a little on the heavyside especially when we formed tri with exanimo and doom. was flying with and alongside doom for almost a year before we formed tri.
being ceo of a big corp is a pain so ync merged with doom it made more sense, and i much preferred darknesss have to deal with all the ceo crap lol

anyway nice your still in game mate i do remember youTwisted Evil

Barkel
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2007.07.10 09:23:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: touchvill
FLA are an alliance who are renowned for putting up a hell of a fight no matter what. They are currently based in empire, and opperate in the pipe of which boo resides.


Actually I thought we renowned for being a industrial alliance who would put up a hell of a fight when we thought we were fighting for what was ours or sometimes on behalf of our allies. We were fighting for our home in Deklein. Whats to fight for here? Boos killboard stats? Meh. I'm mining and building. Fighting Boo would be a waste of my time.

Spaced Skunk
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.07.10 10:14:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Spaced Skunk on 10/07/2007 10:14:34
Originally by: Dec V
Its a conspiracy against people who come from burnley, you've brought it on your self boo....maybe support a real team? Smile


I like the hustle and bustle of division one, I like how Burnley climb to no.1 spot, stay there then plummet to nearly bottom table at Christmas, then manage to get mid table in that last 5 matches. Confused Razz What team does Mr. Oswaldtwistle support...I remind you Accrington Stanley were good...were.

Boo, you normally get more fights if your not deemed boo3916 Confused Maybe fly a battle Exequerer or Osprey, they always attract the fights!



XxSOULxX
Gallente
Legio Prima Victrix
Imperius Legio Victrix
Posted - 2007.07.10 11:30:00 - [48]
 

Y bother war-decing y not just move to a NPC 0.0 find u r self a nice spot and base out of there

alot Better than Greifing a alalince trying to rebuild

FLA do fight and most Fight very well ( shame D2 didnt might still have DEK )

yo FLA hi y bother with PURE BLIND u know it 1 of the SH!T hole's in EVE u guys still have alot to offer the war and would b welcomed south YARRRR COME GUYS GET SOME PAYBACK

keep going FLA we allways had griefer's a 1 man corp should present a little light entertainment for u:)

Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2007.07.10 14:47:00 - [49]
 

There are still good Empire wars to be had if you pick your declarations wisely.

In the meantime, I suggest you take the advice of Minsc - go for the eye's Boo!

touchvill
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.07.10 16:38:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: touchvill on 10/07/2007 16:37:48
Quote:
Plus u hardly ever get a straight fight and our pilots are trained for 00 warfare not empir


Maybe the reason why your not getting to get fights with us 1 by 1 because you have people with up to 5 stabs on. (Yes 2 command ships and a machariel out 5 points on 4 Raven pilots and they all warped off. Some of them logoffski.)

Is this 0.0 warfare that they are apparently trained for? It's hard for me to keep my respect I had for you guys when such pathetic actions are taken by your alliance.

Next time war comes around, probably pretty soon thanks to the acts of cowardice, don't expect us to roam around solo, we will be in gangs ganking the **** out of you and it's all because you wear too many stabs for a lone man to catch you.

TeufelsBeitrag
Caldari
Bladerunners
Posted - 2007.07.10 17:23:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: touchvill
Maybe the reason why your not getting to get fights with us 1 by 1 because you have people with up to 5 stabs on. (Yes 2 command ships and a machariel out 5 points on 4 Raven pilots and they all warped off. Some of them logoffski.)

Okay, this sucks. If you see someone logging off to avoid combat name and shame then (for example on the Allys Board).

Fitting 5 stabs to a ships is a clear indication people wont fight you and really dont want to loose their ships to one of your gatecamps, cant see why this is wrong. Overkill maybe, as you can make it through there with a T1 frig and a bit of luck.

Remember you are in Empire, people can run away there. And they wont lay down and die, but rather run for the hills if they see that they are outgunned. If you want fights 24/7 why dont you visit 0.0 and kill people there (again)?

touchvill
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.07.10 17:35:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: TeufelsBeitrag
Originally by: touchvill
Maybe the reason why your not getting to get fights with us 1 by 1 because you have people with up to 5 stabs on. (Yes 2 command ships and a machariel out 5 points on 4 Raven pilots and they all warped off. Some of them logoffski.)

Okay, this sucks. If you see someone logging off to avoid combat name and shame then (for example on the Allys Board).

Fitting 5 stabs to a ships is a clear indication people wont fight you and really dont want to loose their ships to one of your gatecamps, cant see why this is wrong. Overkill maybe, as you can make it through there with a T1 frig and a bit of luck.

Remember you are in Empire, people can run away there. And they wont lay down and die, but rather run for the hills if they see that they are outgunned. If you want fights 24/7 why dont you visit 0.0 and kill people there (again)?


One of the reasons we left 0.0 was because of the blob mentality. Blob or be blobbed. It's just a stupid philosphy. We moved to empire where we can have mixed fights of all types. Sure some people won't want to fight. I find it hard to believe out of entire alliance noone wants to fight no more.

The ammount of stabs, again I am not really against this as such, yes it erks me when 4 battleships moving together have a combined total of 20 stabs fitted. Just Dastomy mentioned that you rarely get straight fights. We like to have straight fights, how can we when your members have so many stabs it takes many to scramble them. Yes they don't want to fight but eve is about non consensual pvp, we pay extra to have this in empire. If people want to wear lots of stabs, fine, just we have to adapt to blob them so we can hold them.

War ends tonight. I am sure war will resume pretty soon though.

Master OlavPancrazio
Caldari
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2007.07.10 18:27:00 - [53]
 

I get tons of different fights in my current region right now. Not all blobs. Sure you got to always scout and make sure you aren't getting blobbed, but that's called Eve.

Empire wars on the other hand are usually one side not feeling like fighting and the other side feeling it. SO the side that doesn't want to fight sits in a station undocking and or docking once in a while to draw aggro and check their tank and then docking. Sometimes they will aggro just cause they can dock again in another minute and 15.




Oli4Oli4
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.07.10 19:12:00 - [54]
 

First of all: HELLO BOO!

Secondly: I had quite some solo fights around Curse and the surrounding 0.0 so it might be fun for you to look for the same. RA are good competetors.

Thirdly: Come back to us man!

Phrixus Zephyr
Gallente
MEK Enterprises
Posted - 2007.07.10 20:06:00 - [55]
 

Boo smells of wee.

dastommy79
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2007.07.10 20:24:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: dastommy79 on 10/07/2007 20:28:08
Originally by: touchvill
Edited by: touchvill on 10/07/2007 16:37:48
Quote:
Plus u hardly ever get a straight fight and our pilots are trained for 00 warfare not empir


Maybe the reason why your not getting to get fights with us 1 by 1 because you have people with up to 5 stabs on. (Yes 2 command ships and a machariel out 5 points on 4 Raven pilots and they all warped off. Some of them logoffski.)

Is this 0.0 warfare that they are apparently trained for? It's hard for me to keep my respect I had for you guys when such pathetic actions are taken by your alliance.

Next time war comes around, probably pretty soon thanks to the acts of cowardice, don't expect us to roam around solo, we will be in gangs ganking the **** out of you and it's all because you wear too many stabs for a lone man to catch you.



Hi touchevil. i talked to you a lot in local and had no smack. U seem like a cool guy but this smack on CAOD is a little upsetting.

You war dek'd an industrial alliance trying to rebuild in empire. Your not gonna get epic fights, your gonna get ganks of lone pilots moving around. We dont have faction battleships and elite pvprs with uber skills. So yeah people are gonna put stabs on their ratting and travel ships. We cant afford to lose our income ships and we really cant afford to t2 out a fleet of battleships and stand in line going 1 on 1 with your pilots, its not practical. Why are u not shocked when we do blob. You blow up my friends ship and ****es a bunch of us off. we get a gang of pilots nearby and search for ya, u guys dock up or decimate our ships and we go back to our buisness.


So yeah u are not gonna get great fights out of us, we realy dont want to fight this type of combat. If you are looking for better fights, dont war dek an alliance thats been beaten to hell and back. We are trying to rebuild, come see us again once we get back on our feet.

kthanksbye

edit: the straight fight thingy, i offered to 1 vs 1 many of your pilots and boo too in t1 cruisers. Its all i can afford and i'm pretty sure most FLA members would love the opertunity. Not 1 took me up on the offer. We have a rule, you fly what u can afford. So again thorax vs command ship is no fun Sad


ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
Pulsar Nebulah
Army of Lovers.
Posted - 2007.07.10 21:20:00 - [57]
 

Boo just get back to Doom. Wink

touchvill
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.07.10 21:30:00 - [58]
 

If you see any malice or "smack" in what I say it's probably because you guys have a reputation for giving a hell of a fight whenever possible and you just don't do it. Have farmers playing logoffki's on us. People with what seems to be more stabs than low slots. We pay about 350m-400m a week on wars with alliances. We not just war decced you we war dec anybody, we start like 3-5 different votes a day for wars. We want fights and lot's of them. How would you feel if you are paying such an ammount to get fights from a highly reputable alliance only to see them cowering, showing a the lack of fortitude generally seen in cowards.

I know deep down you are not cowards. You make it hard for me to believe it on times though. Send your 20 man gangs into system camp us in stations whilst we are spread thin, lay traps. You might actually enjoy the pvp you can get if you did some work.


As for your 1v1. We don't fly tech I cruisers. In fact, we have to shout to get one of them out of faction ships. (Rich bastard is what he is). You don't have to fight 1v1, we prefer it when you brought big gangs. It meant we could really test the performance of the faction ships.

How can people call privateers gankers (Not including Jita 4-4 gankers, they suck) etc though when sometimes it takes big blobs on gates just to hold a ship down through stabs. We paid to be at war with you so we are not going to say, "they don't want to fight so lets retract the war". No, we spent 200m on 2 weeks war we are going to kill what we can when we can.

We can't force you to fight but we can (sometimes) force you to die. It's FLA's perhogotive whether they want to let that happen. Unfortunately towards the last week you did.

When we come to war again (and we will soon probably) I would like to think you would put up more of a fight, because only if you try, you get results. We still killed plenty anyway, we prefer proper fights over ganks. Both pay our future war bills though so again it's your choice. I think it's more exciting for both parties if fights are brought whether fair or not. I guess we will see in the future if that happens, I sincerely hope so. Cool

dastommy79
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2007.07.10 21:49:00 - [59]
 

OK again u war dek'd an alliance rebuilding in empire, your not gonna get awesome fights. There is no reason we should waste our isk on something that in the long run, is done for your entertainment. So we stab up and logoffski and when we do want to fight, we bring as many friends as we can. You guys do the same, u dock up when u think your gonna lose a fight or u bring a blob of your own. That in fact makes u a coward by your terms. I am not a coward and i dont think you are either. So yeah that ****es me off u saying that but its caod and who cares.

So again props to your pilots, they have skills. we are an industrial alliance thats rebuilding after a very long and devastating campaign = not gonna get a lot of good fights. We can try this again another time in the future after we have had some time to get back on our feet. Until then




touchvill
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.07.10 21:59:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: dastommy79
OK again u war dek'd an alliance rebuilding in empire, your not gonna get awesome fights. There is no reason we should waste our isk on something that in the long run, is done for your entertainment. So we stab up and logoffski and when we do want to fight, we bring as many friends as we can. You guys do the same, u dock up when u think your gonna lose a fight or u bring a blob of your own. That in fact makes u a coward by your terms. I am not a coward and i dont think you are either. So yeah that ****es me off u saying that but its caod and who cares.

So again props to your pilots, they have skills. we are an industrial alliance thats rebuilding after a very long and devastating campaign = not gonna get a lot of good fights. We can try this again another time in the future after we have had some time to get back on our feet. Until then




You say you don't want to waste your isk on us but you were losing isk at a rapid rate anyway. We earned about 400m from the loot off your ships (when in gangs, not including the many solo kills). The only thing about this type of losing isk is it's not going to be entertaining for you or us. As long as we get our isk back on war's then in our case it's positive. We more than made our isk back, we would just rather we had it against more willing participants though. Like you said, in the future you may be better prepared for it. We will see I suppose.


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