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Herasha Fara
Gallente
Them Flamin' Gringos
Posted - 2007.06.23 13:46:00 - [1]
 

Hey all

In 8 days i am skilled up and ready to use a Gallente HAC. My thoughts went straight for the Deimos, so i googled it, to see other peoples thoughts on this ship. And i see alot of people say it sucks.
Now my skills are pretty balanced between Drones and Gunnery, and obviously the Ishtar is the drone carrier off the two.
I was just interested to see what everyone else would pick if they could choose either of the two.
And maybe some quick setups?

Cheers
Fara

Emsee
Empire Assault Corp
Posted - 2007.06.23 13:51:00 - [2]
 

I'd go for a speed Ishtar setup with 3 Overdrives and 2 I-stabs in the lows and 2 polycarbon rigs.

DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.06.23 13:52:00 - [3]
 

The deimos can make a very nice damage support ship but it doesn't tank very well. it is aweful for solo pvp because it lacks the ability to fit an injector and struggles for cap generally. It's also too slow for me to be a good hac. in gangs it can be very effective tho.

the ishtar is the most horrible ship to fit i have ever come across but in the right hands it can make a very nice ship for solo and small group pvp. Once you get into command ships tho u'll probably never use gallente hacs again.


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Herasha Fara
Gallente
Them Flamin' Gringos
Posted - 2007.06.23 13:54:00 - [4]
 

Sweet, thanks for your help, i usual solo pvp, so it sounds like the Ishtar is maybe the better ship for me. But commandships are a long way off atm.

Any other thoughts?

lofty29
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.06.23 13:55:00 - [5]
 

Deimos + Tackler = most underestimated gang you'll ever see.

Fit the deimos with an MWD, dual MARs, a web, a medium cap booster and electrons w/ cap rigs.
Absolute win, I killed an astarte liek this Razz

DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.06.23 13:57:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: lofty29
Deimos + Tackler = most underestimated gang you'll ever see.

Fit the deimos with an MWD, dual MARs, a web, a medium cap booster and electrons w/ cap rigs.
Absolute win, I killed an astarte liek this Razz


that astarte was a noob then. and yes the deimos like that can be a very nice ship altho an electron deimos even with 2 mag stabs can easily be tanked by probably any of my bs for a few months probably. The problem would be if ur tackler died and then ur left without a web and hardly hitting anything even with the good tracking of electrons. if ur tackler lives then yeah that does make a good combo


DE



True Ace
Gallente
Fat Bastards
MACHI MISCHIEF
Posted - 2007.06.23 16:48:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: True Ace on 23/06/2007 16:47:59
In gang situations id rather have a deimos backing me up than the ishtar. elecctron deimos with damage rigs does considerable damage and u can fit a medium nos mwd and medium armor rep and medium cap injector. add hardwirings for even more damage and u have tanking deimos that can dish out alot of dps. needs a tackler though.

goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire
Posted - 2007.06.23 18:25:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: goodby4u on 23/06/2007 18:25:37
Ishtar is usually better for solo,or gangs where you dont trust you friends(to take the damage)deimos is for when you know you wont be taking damage.

And as for the astarte,the astarte would toast you even if you had duel reps,and you would have trouble breaking his tank(more guns{bigger guns}tanking bonus).

n0thing
Executive Intervention
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2007.06.23 18:27:00 - [9]
 

Ishtar for all-around, and Deimos only and only if your gonna fly in gangs with decent amount of ships...its fine to use in gangs that have more stuff for enemies to shoot at while you can try and act like 'get in quietly and bbq'

nakKEDK
Gallente
Diabolus Ex Machina
The Amazing Onjoi and his Educated Rodents
Posted - 2007.06.23 18:51:00 - [10]
 

deimos can gank not tank.

ishtar can do 475 dps from drones, and more if you fit guns.

i use speed ishtar, cause not many ships can touch me.

high: 1 small neutrolizer - 1 x med nos II - 3 x 125mm railsguns.

meds: 2 x LSE II 10mn mwd II - medium elechtrosomthing cap booster - warp disruptor II

2 x overdrives II - 2 x nanofiber II - i-stab

rig: 1 low friction... because its so cheap, and give agility

and btw the cap boosters should be 400..



Herasha Fara
Gallente
Them Flamin' Gringos
Posted - 2007.06.23 19:11:00 - [11]
 

Thanks for all the replys

Really Helpful

Thanks
Fara

n0thing
Executive Intervention
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2007.06.23 19:12:00 - [12]
 

Why not fit Damper over injector actually? Would take longer to start attacking your drones?

Herasha Fara
Gallente
Them Flamin' Gringos
Posted - 2007.06.23 19:23:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: n0thing
Why not fit Damper over injector actually? Would take longer to start attacking your drones?


Yeh might be a good idea. I think i'm gonna go for a Ishtar, sounds more versiatile, and better at solo pvp, even if it is hard to fit.

I see most Ishtar pilots with small guns. Should i go for Small guns - big tank kinda thing. Oh and i'm not interested in speed setups, i'd rather have a solid tank than relying on speed alone.

HF

Mindy Moobah
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2007.06.23 19:35:00 - [14]
 

if you r rich and suesidal then deimos

goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire
Posted - 2007.06.23 23:23:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Herasha Fara
Originally by: n0thing
Why not fit Damper over injector actually? Would take longer to start attacking your drones?


Yeh might be a good idea. I think i'm gonna go for a Ishtar, sounds more versiatile, and better at solo pvp, even if it is hard to fit.

I see most Ishtar pilots with small guns. Should i go for Small guns - big tank kinda thing. Oh and i'm not interested in speed setups, i'd rather have a solid tank than relying on speed alone.

HF
Small guns,big tank lots of ewar...Thats the general idea of the ishtar,whether you go for a cap boost setup and duel reps or a single rep and ewar is up to you.

Anasur
Posted - 2007.06.23 23:59:00 - [16]
 

Deimos needs to be quicker, slower than the thorax or most of the other HACS. Also, take one of its highs, which is usually empty, and give it another mid for a cap booster. There, far better ship, not imbalanced.

Hellraiza666
Viziam
Posted - 2007.06.24 00:07:00 - [17]
 

deimos with 250mm II's is good in gangs.

Xoduse
Gallente
Beasts of Burden
Posted - 2007.06.24 00:26:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: DarkElf
The deimos can make a very nice damage support ship but it doesn't tank very well. it is aweful for solo pvp because it lacks the ability to fit an injector and struggles for cap generally. It's also too slow for me to be a good hac. in gangs it can be very effective tho.

the ishtar is the most horrible ship to fit i have ever come across but in the right hands it can make a very nice ship for solo and small group pvp. Once you get into command ships tho u'll probably never use gallente hacs again.


DE





QFT. My ishtar has sat in my hangar for months b/c it gives me a headache everytime I try to fit it. I honestly think it somehow got 75% of the resources CCP meant to give it, and they just havent noticed.Laughing

Emerald666
Amarr
LoneStar Industries
Posted - 2007.06.24 01:53:00 - [19]
 

Granted these are with Armor Hardwires and Full-Slave in the head. ;)
DEIMOS
HIGH-SLOTS:
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Heavy Ion Blaster II [120x Void M] x5
Damage Modifier = 9.172 x
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

MED-SLOTS:
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I [2xCap Booster 400]

LOW-SLOTS:
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Small Armor Repairer II x2
Damage Control II
Energized Reactive Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II x2

RIG-SLOTS:
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ancillary Current Router II
Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

DRONE BAY:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hammerhead II x5

SHIP'S ATTRIBUTES :
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Powergrid: 1092.55 MW/1365.625 MW
CPU: 366.75 tf/437.5 tf
Max Cap Regen: 16.76 per sec (approx.)
Max Cap Needed: 28.916 per sec
Velocity: 233.75m/sec
Armor HP: 5189.25
Armor EM: 80.04 %
Armor Explosive: 72.73 %
Armor Kinetic: 91.89 %
Armor Thermal: 83.78 %
==> 424.8 DPS <==
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ISHTAR
HIGH-SLOTS:
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Light Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid S] x3
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I x2

MED-SLOTS:
~~~~~~~~~~~~
10MN Afterburner II
J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I x2
Sensor Booster II

LOW-SLOTS:
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Medium Armor Repairer II x2
Damage Control II
Energized Reactive Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

RIG-SLOTS:
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Anti-Explosive Pump II

DRONE BAY:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ogre II x10
Hammerhead II x10
Hobgoblin II x5

SHIP'S ATTRIBUTES:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Powergrid: 787.0 MW/875.0 MW
CPU: 341.75 tf/356.25 tf
Max Cap Regen: 13.71 per sec (approx.)
Max Cap Needed: 45.93 per sec
Velocity: 668.197m/sec
Target Range: 132000.002m
Scan Resolution: 539.0mm
Armor HP: 4115.788
Armor EM: 74.5 %
Armor Explosive: 75.76 %
Armor Kinetic: 89.64 %
Armor Thermal: 79.28 %
Structure HP: 2768.063
==> 454.8 DPS <==

Kua Immortal
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2007.06.24 02:36:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Emerald666
Ancillary Current Router II


Shocked

king jks
Xenobytes
Stain Empire
Posted - 2007.06.24 02:49:00 - [21]
 

Pfft. Speed ishtars.

2x med dim nos
3x medium pulse II/125mm rail II

10mn AB II
20km faint/faction scram
web
med electrochem with 800's
balmers TD

2x MAR II
SS explosive
2x EANM II

PG rig
aux nano pump

Emerald666
Amarr
LoneStar Industries
Posted - 2007.06.24 02:55:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Kua Immortal
Originally by: Emerald666
Ancillary Current Router II


Shocked


Hehe... Yeeeeaaahh... A T1 Might do just fine. ;) Was for the lack of PG and saving a Low-slot. ;)

Herasha Fara
Gallente
Them Flamin' Gringos
Posted - 2007.06.24 09:10:00 - [23]
 

Some nice setups, thanks guys

DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.06.24 10:32:00 - [24]
 

^ ZOMG at the expensive deimos setup with blasters and no propulsion mod ShockedShockedShocked


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Ask Unbeatable
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
Posted - 2007.06.24 10:36:00 - [25]
 

Stop fitting guns on Nano-Ishtars Confused Tracking anyone?

TresheR
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.06.24 10:54:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Ask Unbeatable
Stop fitting guns on Nano-Ishtars Confused Tracking anyone?


You don't need to run the mwd all the time, depending on what you are killing.
I fit 3 dual 150mm's on my speed setup, and the added dps is pretty usefull.

n0thing
Executive Intervention
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2007.06.24 11:52:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Emerald666
Originally by: Kua Immortal
Originally by: Emerald666
Ancillary Current Router II


Shocked


Hehe... Yeeeeaaahh... A T1 Might do just fine. ;) Was for the lack of PG and saving a Low-slot. ;)


If your making setups in Quickfit, then at least test them for pricing and ingame stats first...really.


 

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