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Han LaoTsu
B4D W0LF
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2007.06.16 09:35:00 - [1]
 

Just what the subject says, there's a gang of macros in Ohvosamon right now (4 characters, all mining, all created at the same time, all with ******ed names like fbs, ertd, etc.). I'd like to get some easy kills in but as its a 0.7 system CONCORD would stomp me hard. Is there anyway to bring justice upon them without it being brought upon me next?

Cowboy Nuggets
Minmatar
DruNks In SpAce
Posted - 2007.06.16 09:41:00 - [2]
 

Get some friends together and steal all their ore?

justcheckingthemarket
Posted - 2007.06.16 09:42:00 - [3]
 

no, you'll loose your ship for shure!

but never mind, get a bs with a full rack of smartbombs and you kan take those guys out if you really feel the urge

Jor Renalt
Posted - 2007.06.16 09:44:00 - [4]
 

Bah, oh well. Right now just salvaging/stealing the loot from the pirate wrecks scattered all around them.

Han LaoTsu
B4D W0LF
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2007.06.16 09:49:00 - [5]
 

Oops, wrong guy :).

Han LaoTsu
B4D W0LF
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2007.06.17 06:30:00 - [6]
 

Well, the macroer is back, this time one system away. Last time all I had was my Drake and salvage ship (destroyer) so I couldn't really steal from their can (mineral 'packages' to big). This time I'm bringing an industrial YARRRR!!.

Vactet
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2007.06.17 08:25:00 - [7]
 

Get 2 accounts. One can be a trial..if needbe.
Also get a friend in a combat ship.
Now..sit and enjoy..

Get them to the same system and make sure clones are updated (Always smart).
Put the nub character in a shuttle. Put your other in an industrial. And make sure your friend is there and ready.
Gang all 3 characters.
Send the shuttle in first, fly right to the can. Now you gotta be QUICK about this.
Grab 1 peice of ore, bring it to your cargo hold then IMMEDIATELY eject it.
Then grab the stuff from the macro can and drag it to your can (Leave 2! peices in the macro can)
Presto..your alt is flagged attackable to the macro's. But your industrial..aint.
Now ..one of two things will happen here..

A)They sit and twist and dont do anything.
Just fly in the industrial and enjoy making trip after trip of free ore. Always use the shuttle to move the ore from one can to the other. Did this the other day..made 50M and left the macro's rather perplexed

B)They do the stupid thing and attack the shuttle.
Good job..they just flagged themselves.
Still bring in the industrial and start sucking the ore out of YOUR can.
But also have your friend come in and attack and pwn them.
Never attack with your indy.

One other option is to use another friend.
Id suggest something small, fast, and with alot of mids.
Warp Scram/Disruptors all in the midds.
They..sometimes use alot of warp stabs and yeh..thatll get em locked down nicely so the friend in a combat ship can blow em up.

Rinse..Repeat and eventually they will go away.
There..now go kill the macro miners.

Closing note...if you wanna be a pain. Start shooting the ROID they are mining.
Sometimes they engage you and concord owns THEM. Its a true laugh to watch that happen.
Saw 2 hulks get poped that way..was priceless.

Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
Indicium Technologies
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.17 08:40:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Vactet
Get 2 accounts. One can be a trial..if needbe.
Also get a friend in a combat ship.
Now..sit and enjoy..

Get them to the same system and make sure clones are updated (Always smart).
Put the nub character in a shuttle. Put your other in an industrial. And make sure your friend is there and ready.
Gang all 3 characters.
Send the shuttle in first, fly right to the can. Now you gotta be QUICK about this.
Grab 1 peice of ore, bring it to your cargo hold then IMMEDIATELY eject it.
Then grab the stuff from the macro can and drag it to your can (Leave 2! peices in the macro can)
Presto..your alt is flagged attackable to the macro's. But your industrial..aint.
Now ..one of two things will happen here..

A)They sit and twist and dont do anything.
Just fly in the industrial and enjoy making trip after trip of free ore. Always use the shuttle to move the ore from one can to the other. Did this the other day..made 50M and left the macro's rather perplexed

B)They do the stupid thing and attack the shuttle.
Good job..they just flagged themselves.
Still bring in the industrial and start sucking the ore out of YOUR can.
But also have your friend come in and attack and pwn them.
Never attack with your indy.

One other option is to use another friend.
Id suggest something small, fast, and with alot of mids.
Warp Scram/Disruptors all in the midds.
They..sometimes use alot of warp stabs and yeh..thatll get em locked down nicely so the friend in a combat ship can blow em up.

Rinse..Repeat and eventually they will go away.
There..now go kill the macro miners.

Closing note...if you wanna be a pain. Start shooting the ROID they are mining.
Sometimes they engage you and concord owns THEM. Its a true laugh to watch that happen.
Saw 2 hulks get poped that way..was priceless.



Nice plan, must try it sometime.....Very Happy


Han LaoTsu
B4D W0LF
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2007.06.17 08:40:00 - [9]
 

There's a bit of a twist to this. To review, I was convinced of them being macros because they were all in the newbie NPC corp, they were all created at the same time, and the names were just random letters (bajhsd, ertd, fbs, and ygns). I couldn't seem to figure out how to split the package of ore yesterday (is it shift+drag? It didn't seem to be working, or I could be dumb) but I still flew up to cans, stole from wrecks (which I know they probably didn't care about anyway, but hey), etc and heard nothing from these 'players'.

So today I buy a Badger, fit it with some cargo expanders (I splurged to much otherwise I still would have come out ahead) and went ahead with mass stealing. I get 500,000 ISK worth of stuff sold off before the main, the bajhsd I believe, messages me privately with an 'F*** you' and closes there chat right away. I didn't know what to think, were they macroers and happened to check on their progress and notice me stealing, or just a very unimaginative person with a multiple accounts for ultimate mining grind?

Long story short I got greedy, headed back out hopping to steal some more before they noticed again when what should appear but some dude in a Dominix part of a player corp with a sec status of -2 and a good sized bounty on him. Obviously I was scrambled and wtf pwned before I could get away. Luckily I wasn't podded though I think he tried.

I'm not particularily upset about any of this, like I said if I hadn't splurged on the cargo expanders I'd still be ahead, and I was being naughty after all. But what exactly happened here? Was it a macroer that called in support, a player who called in their friend, or the same player brining in their 'fighting alt'?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.06.17 09:48:00 - [10]
 

First, try to steal some ore (if at all possible).
See if you get a response.
If no response, or if they're using secure cans to transfer ore, bump them badly a few times.
See then if you get any response after that.

If none of them reacts at all to anything you just did, report/petition them.
Wait a few days. See if they're still going at it.
Repeat first paragraph a few times while you're waiting.

If none of the above made them try to talk to you, you may be contended they ARE a macro-operated outfit, and if CCP doesn't have enough proof yet, well then, you might just give it a shot and clear the area of them.
Use any number of already presented "miner ubergank" setups littering this forum for that.

Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
Indicium Technologies
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.17 09:54:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Solomunio Kzenig on 17/06/2007 09:53:33
Edited by: Solomunio Kzenig on 17/06/2007 09:53:11
Originally by: Han LaoTsu
There's a bit of a twist to this. To review, I was convinced of them being macros because they were all in the newbie NPC corp, they were all created at the same time, and the names were just random letters (bajhsd, ertd, fbs, and ygns). I couldn't seem to figure out how to split the package of ore yesterday (is it shift+drag? It didn't seem to be working, or I could be dumb) but I still flew up to cans, stole from wrecks (which I know they probably didn't care about anyway, but hey), etc and heard nothing from these 'players'.

So today I buy a Badger, fit it with some cargo expanders (I splurged to much otherwise I still would have come out ahead) and went ahead with mass stealing. I get 500,000 ISK worth of stuff sold off before the main, the bajhsd I believe, messages me privately with an 'F*** you' and closes there chat right away. I didn't know what to think, were they macroers and happened to check on their progress and notice me stealing, or just a very unimaginative person with a multiple accounts for ultimate mining grind?

Long story short I got greedy, headed back out hopping to steal some more before they noticed again when what should appear but some dude in a Dominix part of a player corp with a sec status of -2 and a good sized bounty on him. Obviously I was scrambled and wtf pwned before I could get away. Luckily I wasn't podded though I think he tried.

I'm not particularily upset about any of this, like I said if I hadn't splurged on the cargo expanders I'd still be ahead, and I was being naughty after all. But what exactly happened here? Was it a macroer that called in support, a player who called in their friend, or the same player brining in their 'fighting alt'?


I'd say that you were dealing with macro'ers there. I have alt who mines semi-afk in high sec, and even i keep an eye on whats going on every 5 minutes or so (checks cargo hold/cans/local etc...). if you get no reacation from bumbing/stealing etc. they are either macro'ers or farmers who don't speak english...any 'player' will react to you attempting to steal their ore, even if its only to rant at you in local.


Letheeth Kayl
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.17 10:03:00 - [12]
 

so a nano bs (what's left of the class) is a good idea?
Something that size can probably bump one of those ships pretty good right?
Couple of sensor boosters, maybe a wcs, and some smaller guns (cruiser probably), and you're set to destroy the happiness of high sec miners (just don't flag yourself)
That works?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.06.17 10:10:00 - [13]
 

Well, bumping isn't something CONCORD punishes, so you can just keep on bumping Covetors and Hulks and indies all day long away from whatever asteroid they were mining or whatever can they were using (be it a jetcan or a secure can).

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2007.06.17 11:08:00 - [14]
 

make a book mark, drag to cargo, jettison, open macroers can and drag and drop into your can. come back in an industrial. shuttle or rookie ship works well for this.


Ebusitanus
Caldari
Tormentum Insomniae
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.06.17 13:55:00 - [15]
 

That someone is using macro programs does not mean he will never notice he has been robbed blind. Some guy sets up his chain of macro vessels and leaves to watch a movie at the theatre. A few hours later he comes back and checks on his "business".
There are also legit in-front-of-the-screen miners who during the three minute cycle their strip miner lasers go through might be browsing the web, watching TV, etc..
These fellows tend to react faster to the thieving and normally end up throwing some abuse at you or try to make themselves known as not macros.

The real macro miners wont mine with jet cans..he will get a Hulk, fit it with some nice cargo expanders, run the program so as to have it mine, fill up, head home, unload and go right back at it. These fellows can easily cart away in each run 12.000 cubic meters of rock and not risk getting stolen from.

Jet can macros tend to be n00b macro miners, or very greedy ones, who just have the program that transfers the ore from their hold to the can.

Normal ore thieves tend to steal from macro miners and feel a bit guilty when stealing from online players. The above thiving guide is there to steal from honest miners, trying to get them "worked up", getting them to fire back, etc... A macro program does not get worked up.
In your case I would guess the macro player came home, saw your deed and decided to wait for you to get greedy again and give you some retribution.

Once I was stolen from a guy who when he realitzed he stold from a "honest" miner gave me the ore back and 5 mil as an apology. Of course these fellows are very rare.
As of me Im going stright for the Hulk with cargo expanders. In that way I wont have to deal with bored players trying to gank me or steal from my work anymore. Very Happy

Spy4Hire
Posted - 2007.06.17 14:26:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Han LaoTsu
Long story short I got greedy, headed back out hopping to steal some more before they noticed again when what should appear but some dude in a Dominix part of a player corp with a sec status of -2 and a good sized bounty on him. Obviously I was scrambled and wtf pwned before I could get away. Luckily I wasn't podded though I think he tried.

I'm not particularily upset about any of this, like I said if I hadn't splurged on the cargo expanders I'd still be ahead, and I was being naughty after all. But what exactly happened here? Was it a macroer that called in support, a player who called in their friend, or the same player brining in their 'fighting alt'?


What he did was gang up with the mining boats, and jet his own can. Instead of your hauler snagging ore from the covetor's can, you took it from the Domi's, which of course got you wtfpwnt in a hurry. Now that he's done that you wander back to a station and bring out your own BS. Typically after BBQing your indy (the only challenge most macro 'guards' are up to) the Domi (or whatever) immediately docks for 15 mins so you can freely go back with another indy and empty the can (just be sure to pop the one that's already there belonging to the Domi. 'Show info' is your friend).

But if you can fly a BS about as well as a drunk chimp you can probably rip that 'guard' apart.

Oh, and please post his name on the macrointel channel... they're all too happy to go after the guy.

Drizit
Amarr
Posted - 2007.06.17 15:19:00 - [17]
 

I actually managed to gang with one just by inviting to gang. Not a smart macro at all. Laughing

After that, I could take all the ore I wanted without being flagged. A nice 4 mil scooped off by my indy before they gave up and left.

Ebusitanus
Caldari
Tormentum Insomniae
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.06.17 15:23:00 - [18]
 

How does a macro program accept a gang offer?

Han LaoTsu
B4D W0LF
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2007.06.17 16:07:00 - [19]
 

Three of them were mining and the fourth was making the rounds and picking up the stuff out of cans. I didn't think of this before but is there a macro program for that? Seems a bit complicated. The hauler did see me stealing at least once though before I got called out on it, so that would seem to indicate no one was 'at the wheel'.

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.17 16:20:00 - [20]
 

I used to have a good method for dealing with farmers back a while ago. Not sure if it's still effective, but well worth a try:

Find farmer gang in any system with belt rats. Go get in any ship with good repair ability (theres the T1 cruisers are good, T2 logistics cruisers are better, BC's are bretty handy at it, and anything big will do). Fit it with repair modules, and one slot with an ECM. Fly to belt, and wait until a rat spawns. Rep him for all you're worth, and let him agro the enemy. If he agros you or one of the farmers that you don't think he can kill (one farmer group I did this on was 5 barges + 1 tanked raven guarding), use the ECM to break his lock and hope he agro's something more useful the next time.

If all goes according to plan, you can rep a rat indefinitely, and let him much slowly through each barge's armour in turn.

Easy peasy.


Even better, this method being pretty gradual and obvious, if it's an authentic player they should notice you doing it long before you're able to do any damage, and be able to call you off. Meaning if you have an aversion to popping innocent players, this way is pretty fool proof.

Ebusitanus
Caldari
Tormentum Insomniae
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.06.17 16:28:00 - [21]
 

I would say the miners where macro programs filling the cans and the hauler was the actual player doing the rounds every now and then.
I also find it very telling about macros in that most of them do not even bother giving an expensive and elite barge like an Hulk a name.
I do not believe CCP cares much about macros as they are so ballant and in-your-face to a point of utter arrogance. When you see veritable beelines of macro hulks with same player names leaving the same station, warping, mining and returning on cue its just outrageous. They do not even care to loose their Hulk piloting accounts...which says volumes.

Adonis 4174
Posted - 2007.06.17 16:38:00 - [22]
 

I have heard of a macro-killing trick whereby you drop some ore in a can, rename it to the same as their can and then move the rest of the ore over. The hauler empties the can and gets flagged to you, then you can kill the hauler and they will lose the rest of the ore they mine.

However, always try to convo suspected macrominers. As you discovered they may not be. Random names or, dare I say, numbers after their names prove nothing.

Faatina Lebass
Posted - 2007.06.18 01:15:00 - [23]
 

I'm mining ice right now.
I'm sure if I wasn't in my hidey hole deep in allaince space, but in empire mindlessly in a highsec belt . . .
5 minute cycle times mean i only check the screen every 5 minutes, or when a loud noise goes off near my ship.
So telling apart miners from afk miners form macros can be pretty hard some times.

Imperator Jora'h
Posted - 2007.06.18 01:22:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Vactet
B)They do the stupid thing and attack the shuttle.
Good job..they just flagged themselves.
Still bring in the industrial and start sucking the ore out of YOUR can.
But also have your friend come in and attack and pwn them.
Never attack with your indy.


Uhmm...I'm pretty sure your friend cannot attack under these circumstances (at least not without getting CONCORDed). When the shuttle flags to the miners they may attack the shuttle with no intervention from his gang or corpmates.

Best thing in this case is to not have the nub in the shuttle but a good combat pilot with a combat ship in the system. If they aggress the shuttle go get the combat ship and have at them. Your friends still cannot help you though.

heheheh
Phoenix Club
Posted - 2007.06.18 01:24:00 - [25]
 

Suicide domi ftw

Jennai
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.06.18 05:29:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Adonis 4174
I have heard of a macro-killing trick whereby you drop some ore in a can, rename it to the same as their can and then move the rest of the ore over. The hauler empties the can and gets flagged to you, then you can kill the hauler and they will lose the rest of the ore they mine.


that hasn't worked since like a month after the can-flag patch.

the only real macro they use is the one to drag the ore into the can. the collecting is done by some guy who's running 10+ clients and has another 10+ accounts on the other side of empire that he can use if you keep interrupting his farming.

macro killing was fun at first, but it quickly degenerated into an exercise in frustration after we ran out of tricks to use on them. now the only time you'll get any action is if you run into one of the very rare groups that has a combat pilot protecting them.

Originally by: Han LaoTsu
Long story short I got greedy, headed back out hopping to steal some more before they noticed again when what should appear but some dude in a Dominix part of a player corp with a sec status of -2 and a good sized bounty on him. Obviously I was scrambled and wtf pwned before I could get away. Luckily I wasn't podded though I think he tried.


post the name/corp so people can inform the CEO that he's harboring macro miners and wardec them if he doesn't do anything about it.

Drizit
Amarr
Posted - 2007.06.20 16:24:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Ebusitanus
How does a macro program accept a gang offer?

Catch the barge as it undocks and gang with it. The hauler does this with all the barges to begin the mining process. If you catch the barge before the hauler does, it will accept mistaking it as a request to gang from the hauler. If you know the name of the macro users, request to gang with them while they are docked as soon as they appear in local after logging in.

From then on, you are ganged with the barge and can happily pick up it's ore without getting flagged. It's an easy way to see if it's a macro, nobody in their right mind would gang with a complete stranger.

The Baroness
Posted - 2007.06.20 17:11:00 - [28]
 

The one time we did it, the macroers had named their jet cans numbers, like 718, 1078 etc, which I'm assuming was done so the macro program could recognise them.
What I did, was pulled the ore from that can, then redumped it in a can I made with the same number.

Along comes the hauler to pick it up, he grabs the ore and starts flashing red.


 

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