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Beyond Horizon
Caldari
Solar Dragons
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:09:00 - [331]
 

I was silly enough to think that Xelas will fight for their lands.. welpEmbarassed

Baun
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:11:00 - [332]
 

Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists

i agree with what baun has written mostly,
and i also think xelas wont hold a month without fountain, or jsut will be a shell of an alliance being in empire running missions all day.



We could start an official betting pool for how long it takes for them to drop down to the "used for standings only"/empire lab sharing alliance. I'd guess 90% attrition within one week of the eviction date.

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but its noteworthy that a few good corps came out of xelas, and managed to grow happily and fight with us,
correct me if im wrong, but i think it was mitch taylors corp dark and light? - awesome guys if you ask me.


Ya they ended up being pretty good. They were bassically the only Xelas people that rose up to challenges when they weren't handed things by BoB. Of course, because they weren't completely worthless they were required by the rules of the world to leave Xelas so as to make my comments as to the historic crappiness still viable.

Aramark
Amarr
Omega Enterprises
0mega Factor
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:12:00 - [333]
 

they have lived by hiding. and cloaking in a SS. thats why. oh.. and living in a NPC region doesn't help uh?

Patch86
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:16:00 - [334]
 

Isn't it nice of them to let you finish building that outpost, hey? THAT's consideration from a landlord Laughing

Aramark
Amarr
Omega Enterprises
0mega Factor
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:17:00 - [335]
 

Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
Originally by: Kvarium Ki
All of you "coalition" guys can call Xelas all the names you want but if you didn't like Xelas so much why didn't you go and kick them out of there yourselves? BoB wasn't around much when D2 went to fountain and we all know how long D2 managed to stay there. Sure, now you're probably going to call D2 names too. Seems to me there are a lot of name callers around here.

There are some good people in Xelas and I feel sorry for them.

KK



well, the ppl that fought in xelas, left long ago.
now you would see almost all of them hiding instread of fighting for their lands - having their friends axe and fatal do all the work.

of course there are a few in xelas that help, but its not enough for an alliance, if even for a corp, to count.

i agree with what baun has written mostly,
and i also think xelas wont hold a month without fountain, or jsut will be a shell of an alliance being in empire running missions all day.

but its noteworthy that a few good corps came out of xelas, and managed to grow happily and fight with us,
correct me if im wrong, but i think it was mitch taylors corp dark and light? - awesome guys if you ask me.


agree with you there. axe AF. and a couple other i saw in fountian. but not Xelas, the only time i saw them was when they were ratting right after they SS and cloaked.

maGz
Amarr
Chaos Theory.
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:24:00 - [336]
 

Preparations for Revelations 2.0 I guess. Not that surprising really, and I welcome any standing-resets that remove Xelas from the universe...

Proxay
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:25:00 - [337]
 

Originally by: Baun


Ya they ended up being pretty good. They were bassically the only Xelas people that rose up to challenges when they weren't handed things by BoB. Of course, because they weren't completely worthless they were required by the rules of the world to leave Xelas so as to make my comments as to the historic crappiness still viable.



How about Aftermath Alliance, or Executive outcomes...?

Or the hordes of corps that have gone forth into other alliances, some of which you're friends with?

Baun
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:27:00 - [338]
 

Originally by: Gutsani
Originally by: Baun

Xelas is the worst alliance I have ever seen


Then maybe you are not looking hard enough?

Take for example D2, have they putten up a fight? Not really. Both times they got attacked, they rolled over pretty much instantly. And then to think people say D2 was one of the "top 3 alliances".



D2 may have ended poorly but if you are trying to compare them to Xelas with a straight face then you are a moron.

D2 fought for its space. D2 took its space from others. D2 conducted offensive operations against other alliances. D2 had allies that they helped and that helped them back without either side paying each other.

Your analogy between the two has only one similiarity; both alliances are now gone. Other than that Xelas and D2 are nothing alike. Xelas was handed space and protected by BoB. They never fought for anything and they were never capable of fighting for anything.

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Xelas has been under attack numerous times in the past, and they lived through it. And even though in the past they may not have been the "uber pvp force" people expect from a "good" alliance, they are not the worst one arround either.



When I fought them Xelas consistently lost fights when outnumbering their opponent by almost 4:1 in grid (often it was even worse than that). Sometimes you could not even tell they were calling targets or that they had guns fitted. The most one sided fights I have ever had in EVE were against Xelas.

Whenever Xelas was put under pressure even by small solo corporations they hemmoraged members. As soon as BoB came back to camp stations for them they would regrow within a month. Whenever their POSs were hit did they defend them? Of course not, thats what BoB was for.

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My point is not that Xelas is a good alliance, mainly due to their lack of willingness to put up a fight and the sheer ammount of macrominers/ratters they have. But its not like they have never done anything like you make it sound.



As far as I can tell Xelas has accomplished 3 things:
1) Blue Flame idling in a cov op in YZ-LQL for 18 months straight.
2) Norman Protector showing that even in a worthless alliance there are people who fight for fun and don't get phased when they lose alot of ships.
3) Built 2 outposts which will now be taken by BoB.

Xelas did not take their space. Xelas did not defend their space. Xelas did not help their alliesnor did they even earn their allies but for their association with BoB. Xelas may as well have been a random collection of people who didn't shoot each other and made isk in proximity to each other.


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Originally by: Baun

My alliance is so dead that we haven't lost any members or any space. You are apparently not intelligent enough to have an argument with. What was that catch phrase from that famous and annoying English game show again?


Your friends have, how long till they come to your space? W'll see if you put up a fight for your space, the same fight you expect XS to deliver right now.


I don't expect XS to deliver any fight. The moment Molle made this post their alliance died. Their alliance is dead becuase their entire alliance is premised upon making isk without doing anything for anyone, not upon comradery, mutual goals in EVE, shared enemies, shared history or anything of the sort.

RAWR is composed of corporations that have worked and fought with each other for longer than Xelas has existed. When/if our space is attacked it will be defended and if it is lost our alliance will look exactly the same afterwards as it did before. I'll leave any other statement about that to diplomats.

Steven McWayne
Gallente
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:29:00 - [339]
 

Gnaha ..
i remember.. "we are soo blue to bob.. <3 forever bla bla" YARRRR!!

Echo147
Gallente
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:35:00 - [340]
 

Originally by: Astasia Orian
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theres isk farmers in all lliances.. even bob...


I know the beauty of COAD is that you can say anything at all without needing to support it but in this case, can you provide any names of farmers in BoB?



Orange Species is a freighter farmer, if that counts...

Gutsani
Gallente
Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:36:00 - [341]
 

Originally by: Baun

D2 may have ended poorly but if you are trying to compare them to Xelas with a straight face then you are a moron.

D2 fought for its space. D2 took its space from others. D2 conducted offensive operations against other alliances. D2 had allies that they helped and that helped them back without either side paying each other.

Your analogy between the two has only one similiarity; both alliances are now gone. Other than that Xelas and D2 are nothing alike. Xelas was handed space and protected by BoB. They never fought for anything and they were never capable of fighting for anything.



D2 fought for its space? How so? Against who? D2 took its space from others? From who? Honestly, a 100man alliance is not an opponent .. Each time a decent opponent came to D2/G they rolled over instantly.

Xelas fought for its space, into the fountain alliance days, and i know that a long time ago but we are talking about history here. Xelas defended its space also, rubra/ascn/thealliance attacked em and they still are here. they maybe dont field 100 man fleets, but thats not something i would not expect from xelas at this point anyway.

point stands, XS > D2. unless you can give me something concrete rather then your biased bull****, i'm gonna stop replying to your comments now.

Fornacis
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:47:00 - [342]
 



Shocked

Did Eve just get interesting?

Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:49:00 - [343]
 

Originally by: Gutsani
D2 fought for its space? How so? Against who? D2 took its space from others? From who? Honestly, a 100man alliance is not an opponent .. Each time a decent opponent came to D2/G they rolled over instantly.


That's total bull****. Was one alliance created by BOS and KIA that kicked off the Branch fight with D2 after 5 disbanded. Rough and even fights in BKG for about a week I think. Then KIA/BOS etc. muscled out FE from Tribute instead and co-lived there with some parts of OSS and some others if my memory serves me correct.

Aswell as this the Cloud Ring and Tribute campaigns were very very bloody starting a year back and lasting about 6 months. Both of those were in the end won convincingly mainly by D2.

Snowden Vel
Minmatar
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:49:00 - [344]
 

Originally by: papaPadla
Seeing that the coalition failed (again and again) to do anything,
BOB takes this step to help them.
We are invading BOB space and will conquer all stations just to show you how is done


Truly this is a tremendous feat of arms. One day your heroism on this weekend may be memorialized in song and dance.

Dracolich
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:49:00 - [345]
 

Originally by: Gutsani
Xelas fought for its space, into the fountain alliance days, and i know that a long time ago but we are talking about history here.
You do realize that Baun was part of FA? I am sure he remembers the history - and Xelas was not part of it - they were up north by that time. I am sure I remember this right...

Baun
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:51:00 - [346]
 

Originally by: Gutsani
Honestly, a 100man alliance is not an opponent .. Each time a decent opponent came to D2/G they rolled over instantly.



Tell that to the 70 man corps that made Xelas lose 100s of members.

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Xelas fought for its space, into the fountain alliance days, and i know that a long time ago but we are talking about history here.



AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

sorry.

BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.

Xelas fought FA? Are you on cr4ck?

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Xelas defended its space also, rubra/ascn/thealliance attacked em and they still are here. they maybe dont field 100 man fleets, but thats not something i would not expect from xelas at this point anyway.



Xelas did not defend their space they just managed to retain a sufficient number of corps that were willing to bunker into NPC stations for long enough to survive. There is a difference between constantly losing and adding corporations while being camped into a station and fighting.

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point stands, XS > D2. unless you can give me something concrete rather then your biased bull****, i'm gonna stop replying to your comments now.


Xelas barely qualifies as a related collection of corporations and you are seriously contending that they are a better alliance than D2?

You are delusional.

Gutsani
Gallente
Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:52:00 - [347]
 

Originally by: Dracolich
Originally by: Gutsani
Xelas fought for its space, into the fountain alliance days, and i know that a long time ago but we are talking about history here.
You do realize that Baun was part of FA? I am sure he remembers the history - and Xelas was not part of it - they were up north by that time. I am sure I remember this right...


they moved down during the time to help, i'm unsure about what they actually done arround the time, but they were in fountain prior to FA pulling out. so they were part of the fight.

Revelatia
Gallente
Clandestia
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:53:00 - [348]
 

Originally by: Gutsani
Xelas fought for its space, into the fountain alliance days, and i know that a long time ago but we are talking about history here. Xelas defended its space also, rubra/ascn/thealliance attacked em and they still are here.


ASCN did not attack them you nub. It was one corp from within ascn that decided to leave their alliance mates while BoB was chaining them, and go play with someone else easier to fight.

Baun
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:56:00 - [349]
 

Edited by: Baun on 14/06/2007 16:55:55
Originally by: Gutsani
Originally by: Dracolich
Originally by: Gutsani
Xelas fought for its space, into the fountain alliance days, and i know that a long time ago but we are talking about history here.
You do realize that Baun was part of FA? I am sure he remembers the history - and Xelas was not part of it - they were up north by that time. I am sure I remember this right...


they moved down during the time to help, i'm unsure about what they actually done arround the time, but they were in fountain prior to FA pulling out. so they were part of the fight.


If by being part of the fight you mean starting their next two years of being killed while NPCing and hiding in stations after BoB and 5 had spent 8 months beating down the FA; then yes, they were in the fight.

Of course by that rationale I guess that illustrious players like xxyz1, zzzzyyqq2, llwwwtrh8, xingaho00002 were all part of MC's attack on Fade.

pershphanie
Gallente
Black Core Federation
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:56:00 - [350]
 

As someone who has schemed and attacked Xelas to remove them from their old space I fully endorse this thread.

Good call

Proxay
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:58:00 - [351]
 

Edited by: Proxay on 14/06/2007 16:56:59
Originally by: Baun
Edited by: Baun on 14/06/2007 16:55:55
Originally by: Gutsani
Originally by: Dracolich
Originally by: Gutsani
Xelas fought for its space, into the fountain alliance days, and i know that a long time ago but we are talking about history here.
You do realize that Baun was part of FA? I am sure he remembers the history - and Xelas was not part of it - they were up north by that time. I am sure I remember this right...


they moved down during the time to help, i'm unsure about what they actually done arround the time, but they were in fountain prior to FA pulling out. so they were part of the fight.


If by being part of the fight you mean starting their next two years of being killed while NPCing and hiding in stations after BoB and 5 had spent 8 months beating down the FA; then yes, they were in the fight.

Of course by that rationale I guess that illustrious players like xxyz1, zzzzyyqq2, llwwwtrh8, xingaho00002 were all part of MC's attack on Fade.


http://xelas.griefwatch.net/?p=system&system=C4C-Z4

Please Baun, EVIDENCE.

Arenis Xemdal
Amarr
Insidious Existence
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.14 16:59:00 - [352]
 

Edited by: Arenis Xemdal on 14/06/2007 16:57:57
Is there any thread where you won't pretend like you know something, Baun?

If you think I'm wrong, why don't you explain in full detail to all these anxious people why this is happening now. Go on, you have my permission to speech.

Baun
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.06.14 17:02:00 - [353]
 

Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Edited by: Arenis Xemdal on 14/06/2007 16:57:57
Is there any thread where you won't pretend like you know something, Baun?

If you think I'm wrong, why don't you explain in full detail to all these anxious people why this is happening now. Go on, you have my permission to speech.



Just becuse I don't find this surprising does not mean I have claimed to understand WHY you are doing this.

Indeed, I could care less why you are doing this. My comments are squarely focused on bidding good riddance to the worst long lived alliance in EVE history. If you care to dispute that characterization then I will gladly debate you.

Baun
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.06.14 17:04:00 - [354]
 

Originally by: Proxay

http://xelas.griefwatch.net/?p=system&system=C4C-Z4

Please Baun, EVIDENCE.


C4C was indeed a might hub of the FA empire. Well done.

Off hand, if your idea of proving that you contributed to the fight against D2 is showing that you participated in 73 kills in one of their regional capital systems then you *might* want to look into what other alliances did in that same system.

Freyya
Gallente
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2007.06.14 17:09:00 - [355]
 

Well aint that a truck to the head....And Xelas was so much fun to gank!
Whoever said they would hemmorage members under the influence of even a small solo corp...

/me waves for the rest of my corpmates Laughing

Guess we need not to return to fountain to have some target practice..
GL at dying a quick death Xelas alliance and gl for those who actually had balls enough to be participating in 0.0 politics and wars

Proxay
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.06.14 17:09:00 - [356]
 

Originally by: Baun
Originally by: Proxay

http://xelas.griefwatch.net/?p=system&system=C4C-Z4

Please Baun, EVIDENCE.


C4C was indeed a might hub of the FA empire. Well done.

Off hand, if your idea of proving that you contributed to the fight against D2 is showing that you participated in 73 kills in one of their regional capital systems then you *might* want to look into what other alliances did in that same system.


You said Fade, and our presence there, are you implying Xelas Harboured isk farmers how many months ago? 11?
I took fade, and the refrence to isk farmers, combined the two and drew the conclusion that you were refering to xelas's presence there.

Now, in terms of What we did there, that's irrelevant to the point, you said we had NO presence in fade at any time, you are wrong, and i'm pointing that out.

Xelas was told to stay in fountain, we did that, thank you very much for pretending to know a lot.

Robert Dobbs
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.06.14 17:12:00 - [357]
 

Originally by: Baun
C4C was indeed a might hub of the FA empire. Well done.


It's like a little civil war in your head isn't it. You brought up the MC / Fade thing, he replied to it. Do you understand?

Baun, what exactly is your argument here? If you are making a point that Xelas was bloated and full of freeloaders, I don't think there's much of an argument to the contrary. If your argument is that Xelas did nothing to help and there were no good people in the alliance, you have already been proven wrong and should move along.

titanstory
Amarr
Cursed Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2007.06.14 17:12:00 - [358]
 

when a friend fight you after.... say hello at bob, pets :)

Mortuus
Minmatar
Divine Power.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2007.06.14 17:12:00 - [359]
 

Persh will agree with me, its good to see Xelas get what they deserve for their past actions.

Oh and Persh, S-EVIQ will be mine! =p

Much love

Don ZOLA
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.06.14 17:15:00 - [360]
 

Originally by: Robert Dobbs
Originally by: Baun
C4C was indeed a might hub of the FA empire. Well done.


It's like a little civil war in your head isn't it. You brought up the MC / Fade thing, he replied to it. Do you understand?

Baun, what exactly is your argument here? If you are making a point that Xelas was bloated and full of freeloaders, I don't think there's much of an argument to the contrary. If your argument is that Xelas did nothing to help and there were no good people in the alliance, you have already been proven wrong and should move along.


there are good people in every alliance, even in BOB :P and Xelas`s presence must be very important for allies, all of those 15 pilots involved in it...cmon i mean ...my corp can get such gang online and we are a small corp not alliance :D


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