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Seleene
Minmatar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.06.13 15:10:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: Seleene on 13/06/2007 15:09:49
Originally by: Cupdeez
You can't count alliances its not like each alliance in the game has a set number. The only thing you can count is the fact MC had 50-80 capital ships online 22/7 with Titan support.


Far be it from me to discourage this rightfully fearsome depiction of my Legions of Hell, but I would like to clarify one point - 60-70% of the capital ships that took Branch and Tenal were not MC. My cap drivers were switching to support and taking breaks by that point in the campaign. The hardware to defend the area is already in place and increasing in number daily. We also had very limited Titan coverage and actually spent more time dodging DD's from Janus Drake than trying to drop them ourselves.

Quote:
razor keep fighting them because once MC/BOB leaves they can't do anything with out MC/BOB coming back to help.


This theme keeps repeating itself, yet I wonder if people have taken a good look at exactly who the 'New North' is made up of? In addition to that, I've found that it is inherently easier in EVE to defend than to attack fixed installations like starbases, especially when you can hurt the enemy through attrition and have land to trade for time. The former residents of the area failed to capitalize on this. Considering who the new residents are and the lessons they have learned over the past several months... I doubt it's a mistake they will make.

Just food for thought, fellas. Wink

Anope
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.06.13 15:47:00 - [182]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 13/06/2007 15:09:49
Originally by: Cupdeez
You can't count alliances its not like each alliance in the game has a set number. The only thing you can count is the fact MC had 50-80 capital ships online 22/7 with Titan support.


Far be it from me to discourage this rightfully fearsome depiction of my Legions of Hell, but I would like to clarify one point - 60-70% of the capital ships that took Branch and Tenal were not MC. My cap drivers were switching to support and taking breaks by that point in the campaign. The hardware to defend the area is already in place and increasing in number daily. We also had very limited Titan coverage and actually spent more time dodging DD's from Janus Drake than trying to drop them ourselves.

Quote:
razor keep fighting them because once MC/BOB leaves they can't do anything with out MC/BOB coming back to help.


This theme keeps repeating itself, yet I wonder if people have taken a good look at exactly who the 'New North' is made up of? In addition to that, I've found that it is inherently easier in EVE to defend than to attack fixed installations like starbases, especially when you can hurt the enemy through attrition and have land to trade for time. The former residents of the area failed to capitalize on this. Considering who the new residents are and the lessons they have learned over the past several months... I doubt it's a mistake they will make.

Just food for thought, fellas. Wink





"This theme keeps repeating itself, yet I wonder if people have taken a good look at exactly who the 'New North' is made up of?"

Does MC and allies plan to occupy the North like D2 did? or keep the pain train going?

Mynas Atoch
Caldari
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.06.13 16:06:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 13/06/2007 16:06:04
Originally by: Anope
Does MC and allies plan to occupy the North like D2 did? or keep the pain train going?


Are these things mutually exclusive?

The answer to your question will be found here http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/UNL/influence.png and in other posts yet to be made.

Myn

Anope
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.06.13 16:16:00 - [184]
 

kay thx

Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.13 16:22:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 13/06/2007 15:09:49
Originally by: Cupdeez
You can't count alliances its not like each alliance in the game has a set number. The only thing you can count is the fact MC had 50-80 capital ships online 22/7 with Titan support.


Far be it from me to discourage this rightfully fearsome depiction of my Legions of Hell, but I would like to clarify one point - 60-70% of the capital ships that took Branch and Tenal were not MC. My cap drivers were switching to support and taking breaks by that point in the campaign. The hardware to defend the area is already in place and increasing in number daily. We also had very limited Titan coverage and actually spent more time dodging DD's from Janus Drake than trying to drop them ourselves.



I don't agree, but to contradict yourself, I'll have to look over the killboard, take notes, rewind 3-4 weeks, at least, gather data, make stats, write them and so on. I'm tired and it will also take no where.

I'll expose the fact that 2 or 3 times we had in Tenal 2 BoB titans, 5 MS (4 MC), 20 dreads and 30 carriers in our system plus 60-70 support. Who's the dreads, carriers and support exactly were, I don't know, but I'll tell you one thing, if MC wasn't there, this wouldn't have happened. It's not only the numbers that you bring that makes the difference, but it's more your quality (MS and skilled pilots) and know-how. Those 2 last factors make boosting your ranks even more feasible than already is.

It's not a whine, not at all, it's just what it is and we accept it in some part and still play the game.

Orree
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.06.13 17:08:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Darknesss
orree just to say that TRI's intention was never to lay claim to anything in Tenal, the short ammount of time that we were there was to back up **** and thats all.

Dark


Yep...we understand, bud. I think we're pretty clear on where you guys are coming from and have plenty of respect for your behavior and your fighting skills. Very Happy


Orree
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.06.13 17:15:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 13/06/2007 15:09:49
Originally by: Cupdeez
You can't count alliances its not like each alliance in the game has a set number. The only thing you can count is the fact MC had 50-80 capital ships online 22/7 with Titan support.


Far be it from me to discourage this rightfully fearsome depiction of my Legions of Hell, but I would like to clarify one point - 60-70% of the capital ships that took Branch and Tenal were not MC. My cap drivers were switching to support and taking breaks by that point in the campaign. The hardware to defend the area is already in place and increasing in number daily. We also had very limited Titan coverage and actually spent more time dodging DD's from Janus Drake than trying to drop them ourselves.

Quote:
razor keep fighting them because once MC/BOB leaves they can't do anything with out MC/BOB coming back to help.


This theme keeps repeating itself, yet I wonder if people have taken a good look at exactly who the 'New North' is made up of? In addition to that, I've found that it is inherently easier in EVE to defend than to attack fixed installations like starbases, especially when you can hurt the enemy through attrition and have land to trade for time. The former residents of the area failed to capitalize on this. Considering who the new residents are and the lessons they have learned over the past several months... I doubt it's a mistake they will make.

Just food for thought, fellas. Wink




Very good points and while one could quibble with the details, I won't bother and just agree with you that a few of the new entities in the area probably do have some staying power. Would they have gotten there without MC help? I have my doubts.

We have very good records against most of these entities and one of them even had an invasion in progress that was failing until you and your friends arrived.

One thing is for sure, the area in which my alliance resides is going to continue to be a shooting gallery for some time to come....heheh.


Anope
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.06.13 18:04:00 - [188]
 

gah, wish i was up there, all im hearing is that its good, smack free pvp...

Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.13 21:23:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 13/06/2007 15:09:49
Originally by: Cupdeez
You can't count alliances its not like each alliance in the game has a set number. The only thing you can count is the fact MC had 50-80 capital ships online 22/7 with Titan support.


Far be it from me to discourage this rightfully fearsome depiction of my Legions of Hell, but I would like to clarify one point - 60-70% of the capital ships that took Branch and Tenal were not MC. My cap drivers were switching to support and taking breaks by that point in the campaign. The hardware to defend the area is already in place and increasing in number daily. We also had very limited Titan coverage and actually spent more time dodging DD's from Janus Drake than trying to drop them ourselves.

Quote:
razor keep fighting them because once MC/BOB leaves they can't do anything with out MC/BOB coming back to help.


This theme keeps repeating itself, yet I wonder if people have taken a good look at exactly who the 'New North' is made up of? In addition to that, I've found that it is inherently easier in EVE to defend than to attack fixed installations like starbases, especially when you can hurt the enemy through attrition and have land to trade for time. The former residents of the area failed to capitalize on this. Considering who the new residents are and the lessons they have learned over the past several months... I doubt it's a mistake they will make.

Just food for thought, fellas. Wink



Well good points, but since i wasn't there the whole time defending the north, the only thing i can say about one fight and thats the s-e fight, is that i think when you guys invaded s-e the first day, that most of that fleet was a member of MC, at least i think, because i was busy spamming my buttons thx to the amazing lag this game brings when things are started to get interesting.

About the new owners, time will tell, i guess it depends if they are able to keep their posses fueled for as long as needed. Laughing But the only thing that i care about is the smackfree pvp fights that we have up north.

Chowdown
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.06.13 21:41:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: Cupdeez
Originally by: Hey You
Originally by: Cupdeez
yah BOB and friendlies are so speard out that although they are good at POS spam and POS wars they can hold them systems down.. Once BOB moves MC/BOB main fleet back south anyone can take them systems back.

BOB might beable to hold sov but they can't stop large fleets flying around ganking anyone trying to live in that area.


If you aren't R3tard u would know that not a single BoB pilot took part in taking all stations in North :D Well part from a Titan pilot on start of war in Pure blind and Fade :D

Yes yes it was our "Pets"

Please go back to Drone regions - NPC stations where you belong to.

See you in Nol and Tick Tock didnt played well for you.

Tick Tock Cruse


Yes you didn't pickup on the fact that MC = BOB's main fleet. I have been fighting BOB and MC for many years now and MC is far better then BOB. I know people call MC BOB's pets (Yes yes it was our "Pets" calling MC a Pet your self now I see) but I think it should be the other way around and it might be if MC was not a Merch Corp.

Don't forget CA fell apart from the inside out thanks too Chowdown & Co. he had a great deal of influance on this and I see now you have him in your alliance. Good luck with that.

We at CA play this game for fun and don't want to worry about having 200 members online at 3am because BOB is attacking and POS spaming a system. So yah you say Tic tock to us but we don't have anything to lose we just login and fight when we want not when BOB wants.



Hang about, I thought it was meant to be foyles fault? LoL and you're not CA you were a member of the orginal one, but that laughing stock you reside in now only hold a shambolic hold on a once great name.

WhiteSnake
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.06.13 22:27:00 - [191]
 

does razor fight back? -->yes (in fact more than d2 did)

are razor capable to hold/defend space? -->no they dont have capitals or are too afraid to use them , never seen more than 5 razor dreads when they are killing our posses during 2 weeks time

did razor expect from their friends to do the dirty capital ship job?--> yes, and when d2 fell , they knew that are gonna loose their space, but is nowhere near to dead razor drama

some morsus mihi corps are ****ed with razor, and you can deny it as much as you want, but its true.

about this war.... you know how it goes, the winner always write the history

Shirei
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.13 22:45:00 - [192]
 

Edited by: Shirei on 13/06/2007 22:43:36
Originally by: WhiteSnake
are razor capable to hold/defend space? -->no they dont have capitals or are too afraid to use them , never seen more than 5 razor dreads when they are killing our posses during 2 weeks time


A bit like your alliance? 80%+ of the dreads sieging there were MC/FATAL. Wink

Anope
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.06.13 22:47:00 - [193]
 

Edited by: Anope on 13/06/2007 22:52:11
Edited by: Anope on 13/06/2007 22:51:31
Edited by: Anope on 13/06/2007 22:48:48
Edited by: Anope on 13/06/2007 22:45:44
"LoL and you're not CA you were a member of the orginal one, but that laughing stock you reside in now only hold a shambolic hold on a once great name."


Hay, its just a game.

If someone plays eve with a group of friends, then has their alliance fall apart, then gets back together for good ole fun times... then props for them eh? Its all about the fun isn't it?

"now only hold a shambolic hold"

shambolic - (British slang) disorderly or chaotic
- nice lol, had to look up a word for the first time in awhile

~~~~~

Back to the topic.



HyJek
Amarr
Excrutiating Dirge
Merciless.
Posted - 2007.06.13 23:33:00 - [194]
 

I'm sure theres plenty of room in the drone regions for Razor

Laughing

Sicori Malaki
Caldari
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.14 03:44:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: HyJek
I'm sure theres plenty of room in the drone regions for Razor

Laughing

why do people assume we'll be going to the drone regions??...

LiNkIsMaXiMuS
Gallente
Celestial Mayhem
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2007.06.14 04:19:00 - [196]
 

Quote:
some morsus mihi corps are ****ed with razor, and you can deny it as much as you want, but its true.
Rolling Eyes

looks i have found the missing ingredient for my bull**** sandwhich. Cool

Altair Mogwa
Minmatar
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.06.14 04:26:00 - [197]
 

Razor is bbqing in Vale of the Silent. Check their killboard. See lots of big gangs pass through OBE (empire) into P3 (0.0)

Ephemeron
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.06.14 05:00:00 - [198]
 

All this attention for RAZOR and North makes me want to get back to action there!

pershphanie
Gallente
Black Core Federation
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2007.06.14 05:26:00 - [199]
 

Originally by: Sicori Malaki
Originally by: HyJek
I'm sure theres plenty of room in the drone regions for Razor

Laughing

why do people assume we'll be going to the drone regions??...


Puzzling to me as well. It's not even a possibility at this point.


Zeveron
Caldari
Exiled Gathering
HELL4S
Posted - 2007.06.14 05:26:00 - [200]
 

Originally by: Shirei
Edited by: Shirei on 13/06/2007 22:43:36
Originally by: WhiteSnake
are razor capable to hold/defend space? -->no they dont have capitals or are too afraid to use them , never seen more than 5 razor dreads when they are killing our posses during 2 weeks time


A bit like your alliance? 80%+ of the dreads sieging there were MC/FATAL. Wink


In every major dread op **** had 30% of the allied capitals.
Anyway I am not gona debate that, belive whatever you want.
And yes **** could have taken tenal fighting ONLY rzr and not 6-7 alliances vs ****.
When they killed 2 deathstars at the early stages of the war, they done it with help of rule of three us tz and some mm support.
I have yet to see more then 4-5 rzr dreads (most times about 3) and the same ammount on carriers.

Anyway again, GF and cya guys arround

pershphanie
Gallente
Black Core Federation
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2007.06.14 05:43:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk

About the new owners, time will tell, i guess it depends if they are able to keep their posses fueled for as long as needed. Laughing But the only thing that i care about is the smackfree pvp fights that we have up north.


When you smack someone and then the very next sentence proclaim that you only care about keeping things smack-free you come off as very insincere at best.

Yes, we had a pos go offline about a week ago. Yes, that was a huge screw up but the problem has been sorted. No, that's not going to divide everyone up and cause internal problems among the alliances up here. Keep bringing it up all you like, but we know what you're trying to do and that's not going to work.


Fred0
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.14 06:45:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Sicori Malaki
Originally by: HyJek
I'm sure theres plenty of room in the drone regions for Razor
Laughing

why do people assume we'll be going to the drone regions??...

Puzzling to me as well. It's not even a possibility at this point.


True, but it isn't for a lack of offers. The only problem is we don't back down from a fight and we never lever our allies hanging out to dry.

Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.14 07:18:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: WhiteSnake
does razor fight back? -->yes (in fact more than d2 did)

are razor capable to hold/defend space? -->no they dont have capitals or are too afraid to use them , never seen more than 5 razor dreads when they are killing our posses during 2 weeks time



What if it was MC/Fatal/M.Pire sieging your POSes? What would you have done? Leeroy your 20 cap fleet into a fight and get it massacred by 5 MS and the rest? I think you know the answer...

Once again, stop presenting yourselves into another light, it doesn't work and the only ones you could fool is yourselves.

pershphanie
Gallente
Black Core Federation
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2007.06.14 08:36:00 - [204]
 

Edited by: pershphanie on 14/06/2007 08:36:21
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: WhiteSnake
does razor fight back? -->yes (in fact more than d2 did)

are razor capable to hold/defend space? -->no they dont have capitals or are too afraid to use them , never seen more than 5 razor dreads when they are killing our posses during 2 weeks time



What if it was MC/Fatal/M.Pire sieging your POSes? What would you have done? Leeroy your 20 cap fleet into a fight and get it massacred by 5 MS and the rest? I think you know the answer...


You are right. which is the same reason we had a hard time when you brought in a bunch of other alliances at first.

Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Once again, stop presenting yourselves into another light, it doesn't work and the only ones you could fool is yourselves.


Well you guys can stop saying we don't deserve the space because we couldn't fight off 7 alliances at once in Tenal without MC. You bring in the entire northern coalition, then cry about us working with allies. It's a double standard. And when you say we aren't doing any fighting or bringing any caps it's a complete misrepresentation of the truth. You guys keep saying "you couldn't have taken tenal without MC/FATAL/M.PIRE" and you're correct on that. But that's because we weren't just fighting razor. You were bringing in blobs of 200+ when we tried to get a strait up fight against you. Very little of those blobs were actual razor members.

So in the same way that you say we couldn't take tenal without the alliance we could say that you couldn't defend your space against T1TS without the coalition. So how about we drop all this silliness and just wait and see how this all turns out?



Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.14 08:44:00 - [205]
 

You're right, but it's not us that starts bragging on those forums about what we do don't or how we get steam rolled, nor do we brag about it when the bragging is already started...

And stop talking about fair fights, no one wants them, they are just glad when they get them and come out on top...

Anyway, there's an interesting thread on these forums, I'll go F5 there Laughing

Gyro DuAquin1
Caldari
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2007.06.14 09:08:00 - [206]
 

Edited by: Gyro DuAquin1 on 14/06/2007 09:08:02
Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 13/06/2007 15:09:49
Quote:
razor keep fighting them because once MC/BOB leaves they can't do anything with out MC/BOB coming back to help.


This theme keeps repeating itself, yet I wonder if people have taken a good look at exactly who the 'New North' is made up of? In addition to that, I've found that it is inherently easier in EVE to defend than to attack fixed installations like starbases, especially when you can hurt the enemy through attrition and have land to trade for time. The former residents of the area failed to capitalize on this. Considering who the new residents are and the lessons they have learned over the past several months... I doubt it's a mistake they will make.

Just food for thought, fellas. Wink



I dont want to go too much into details, but the new north will be like the old, just more naps, cause when you see the new map, you are going to witness that the nap train is now mostly from north to south. This little details will put these alliance in the problem to have no enemies to shot at, cuase they are going to nap each other, the first of the new inhabitants who does a standing reset is going to get toasted by the same train they are currently rolling with. OFC X, Y and Z are not napped to A, B, nor C but somehow there is a relation, so nobody is going to touch anyones space.

So in a few month, the pvpers are bored, leaving or camping low sec with motherships, someone will come and kick your asses, then they will go to the forum, say how mcuh they rock and in fact that are just a few ppl lead by some good pilots, and when this happens we are going to call it

"THE GREAT WAR PART II"

just like part one just the names have changed


so in a few month its going to be the same, or we are all playing POTBS or nothign has changed, and we are all singing the Carebear song while mining.

pershphanie
Gallente
Black Core Federation
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2007.06.14 09:12:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
You're right, but it's not us that starts bragging on those forums about what we do don't or how we get steam rolled, nor do we brag about it when the bragging is already started...


Ok. Fair enough.


WhiteSnake
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.06.14 09:26:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
You're right, but it's not us that starts bragging on those forums about what we do don't or how we get steam rolled, nor do we brag about it when the bragging is already started...


Ok. Fair enough.



persh are you getting soft? do I miss something?

in cocnclusion, in my post I have never said anything about t1ts neither bragged about them, and yes razor are givng fights grats to them, they are dying fighting like a respectfull alliance should do, like morsus will probably do. We have never expect anything less than that.
move on now.

pershphanie
Gallente
Black Core Federation
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2007.06.14 09:55:00 - [209]
 

Edited by: pershphanie on 14/06/2007 10:25:55
Originally by: WhiteSnake


in cocnclusion, in my post I have never said anything about t1ts neither bragged about them, and yes razor are givng fights grats to them, they are dying fighting like a respectfull alliance should do,


Didn't say that you did. Just seemed like a good place to leave things. Think you misunderstood me abit there.Very Happy Love the enthusiasm though.


Eonov
Minmatar
Aura of Darkness
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.06.14 11:22:00 - [210]
 

Rolling Eyes


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