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Gaia Thorn
Caldari
The Reformed
Bondage Patrol
Posted - 2007.06.09 16:47:00 - [1]
 

it is just me that finds it ironic that Bob/pets/etc.. called north for a NAP fest whilst every corp they foguht either napped up or got steam rolled ?

Not meant as a flamebait nor a talk down on bob but they irony just struck whilst reading theese forums and watching the map.

Chirinako
Caldari
The Junkyard Dogs
Talos Coalition
Posted - 2007.06.09 16:53:00 - [2]
 

Don't quite understand exactly what you mean but the way i see it, the north teamed up to fight Bob. Bob and allies were already 1 big team before the north invaded.

Major Stormer
Caldari
MEK Enterprises
Posted - 2007.06.09 16:56:00 - [3]
 

Now a days EVE is a napfest. Everyone is so scared of everyone else, they NAP everyone else. BOB and friends is a huge napfest, coaltion and friends is a huge napfest.

Thank heavens for few blues.. Cool

Kramer Verone
Amarr
TeamMX
Posted - 2007.06.09 16:56:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Kramer Verone on 09/06/2007 16:57:52


There's a very big difference between the northern napfest and the southern alliance.

The northerners were just blue to each other out of fear of constant wars, while the alliance works together for the same non-selfish goals.

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2007.06.09 16:57:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/06/2007 16:57:14

I would say the difference is the type of nap used. The north napped to avoid conflict while Bob naps to bolster their defense/offense in preparation for inevitable conflict.

sakana
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2007.06.09 16:58:00 - [6]
 

the way i see it, the North were all Nap'd with each other to prevent war amongst themselves, as well as a kind of multi-region defense treaty. Bob and friends Nap'd with the intention of going to war, then all those that realised it was in their interest to join bob's side nap'd them also.

Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.06.09 17:01:00 - [7]
 

A NAP is a NAP is a NAP.

Why would any version of a NAP be "wrong" if it works to the benefit of the corporations and alliances within it?

Gyro DuAquin1
Caldari
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2007.06.09 17:06:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/06/2007 16:57:14

I would say the difference is the type of nap used. The north napped to avoid conflict while Bob naps to bolster their defense/offense in preparation for inevitable conflict.


o rly, why are you so sure that the north didnt do it the same way, and except for the fix and mc nap the relations ship between iron, rzr and others in the north where longer then the new friends bob made.


Iam quiet amused how ppl like you josh try to pretend that you are any different then the nap fest up north.

Cal5
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2007.06.09 17:18:00 - [9]
 

So when BOB do it, its a great tactical move. But when another alliance does it, it is lame and for all the wrong reasons. Get ****ing real.....

Harry Hood
Gallente
Balls Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.09 17:20:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Harry Hood on 09/06/2007 17:19:01
To be honest, it is sort of looking the same up north with all the new alliances holding the space as it was before, napwise.

Gutsani
Gallente
Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.06.09 17:23:00 - [11]
 

*sigh*

south:
people are napped because they fear BoB -> BoB = leader

north:
people want to carebear in peace without fighting eachother, so they nap -> no leader

the north was a "peacefull region" while the south was more like the soviet union.

Rikeka
Amarr
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2007.06.09 17:26:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Gutsani
*sigh*

south:
people are napped because they fear BoB -> BoB = leader

north:
people want to carebear in peace without fighting eachother, so they nap -> no leader

the north was a "peacefull region" while the south was more like the soviet union.


Must be probaby the best description of EvE politics so far...

Divus
Minmatar
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.06.09 17:32:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Divus on 09/06/2007 17:32:05
Originally by: Cal5
So when BOB do it, its a great tactical move. But when another alliance does it, it is lame and for all the wrong reasons.


pretty much sums it up realy Laughing

Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
GeoCorp.
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.06.09 17:40:00 - [14]
 

The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately.

The current "NAP" is more of an offensive alliance, we work together to conquer. We help each other out where there is a need to.

I'd call the current northern offensive an alliance, not a NAP fest. :)

Metal Dude
Gallente
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.06.09 17:43:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Metal Dude on 09/06/2007 17:45:49

Originally by: Gaia Thorn

Not meant as a flamebait nor a talk down on bob but they irony ...



You actually think that people will believe that statement? You being an ex-CELES and all? How dumb do you think people are that play this game?

What's ironic is that from CELES you jump to a pirate corp. and now have -10-security status. That's what's ironic. But I guess apples don't fall far from the tree.

Edit: Besides, what are you complaining about? Now you and your CELES buddies can go gank BoB allies all over the north and boast about it on the forums.

Kramer Verone
Amarr
TeamMX
Posted - 2007.06.09 17:44:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Cal5
So when BOB do it, its a great tactical move. But when another alliance does it, it is lame and for all the wrong reasons. Get ****ing real.....


not the Alliances's fault if you were all weak minded people and fell for the brilliant propaganda.

unless you can field 50-man gangs on moment's notice, any alliance needs friends.


MKeeper
Caldari
Northern Exposure
Posted - 2007.06.09 17:46:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately.

The current "NAP" is more of an offensive alliance, we work together to conquer. We help each other out where there is a need to.

I'd call the current northern offensive an alliance, not a NAP fest. :)


You should remove your head from your own arse if you actually believe that tripe. *snip*

You could also apply this to the term bandwagon... first the 'coalition' were mocked for it and then that quickly died down when most of the alliance realised they were in a larger one. Blinkers are great when you're wearing them.

Personal attack. -Elmo Pug

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2007.06.09 17:55:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Kramer Verone
There's a very big difference between the northern napfest and the southern alliance.

The northerners were just blue to each other out of fear of constant wars, while the alliance works together for the same non-selfish goals.


With all due respect, but that is nonsense. How is Xelas and Rise working together for example? And constant wars you say? Of course the so called 'pets' are afraid of constant wars, they want peace in their territory, isn't that what every territory aiming alliance is working for?

It is indeed funny, BoB flamed 'the north' quite a lot for their napping each other. If they do it in the south it is a 'strategic move'.

Spinning ftw!

Kahor
Minmatar
GK inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.06.09 18:01:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: MKeeper
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
The Northern NAP was a pact that described that entities wouldn't attack each other. It was hardly a defensive alliance. They all let each other die seperately.

The current "NAP" is more of an offensive alliance, we work together to conquer. We help each other out where there is a need to.

I'd call the current northern offensive an alliance, not a NAP fest. :)


You should remove your head from your own arse if you actually believe that tripe. Southern napping scum Razz

You could also apply this to the term bandwagon... first the 'coalition' were mocked for it and then that quickly died down when most of the alliance realised they were in a larger one. Blinkers are great when you're wearing them.


Save that the coalition have always had up until now, higher numbers than the alliance. And there is quite a difference in term of calling yourself an alliance, and calling your self a bandwagon with omg no brakes !!!!

TheArchJudge
Gallente
FinFleet
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.09 18:03:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: MKeeper
You should remove your head from your own arse if you actually believe that tripe. Southern napping scum Razz

You could also apply this to the term bandwagon... first the 'coalition' were mocked for it and then that quickly died down when most of the alliance realised they were in a larger one. Blinkers are great when you're wearing them.


*sigh*
Corp: Midnight Cartel
Member Count: 1

Must not feed the trolls Rolling Eyes

Nero Winger
Amarr
Galactic Trading
Posted - 2007.06.09 18:08:00 - [21]
 

lol. now discussing NAP methods. omg cant you guys just form up and start shooty shooty?

this talking makes me cry. has eve become a GIANT Oprah-Show or what?

ugh... you know... my feelings were hurted when bob did this... so i cried and my wife cried as she saw me crying and my children now wear only black cloeths and play counter strike... - <-- STFU pls

start thinking with your head. this is a game not a chatt program.

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2007.06.09 18:11:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/06/2007 18:15:00
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 09/06/2007 18:10:22
Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
o rly, why are you so sure that the north didnt do it the same way, and except for the fix and mc nap the relations ship between iron, rzr and others in the north where longer then the new friends bob made.

Iam quiet amused how ppl like you josh try to pretend that you are any different then the nap fest up north.

They didn't lift much of a finger when their friends where dieing, that right there is the diffrence.

Originally by: Gnulpie
With all due respect, but that is nonsense. How is Xelas and Rise working together for example? And constant wars you say? Of course the so called 'pets' are afraid of constant wars, they want peace in their territory, isn't that what every territory aiming alliance is working for?

Any alliance that achieves peace is dead, the reason is simple, peacetime makes your carebears lazy and your PVPers bored then when wartime shows up, which it will, you have no PVPers and a large pile of a carebears who are nothing compared to what they once where. Just look at the various alliance which where once conidered the biggest and most powerful, until ane enemy showed up and they just crumbled.

The key would be stabilizing a region while allowing an enemy threat to survive, it allows you to operate at near peace time effeciency but sitll prevents you from rotting away on the inside as there will always be people looking to gank you.

Camilo Cienfuegos
Caldari
Earned In Blood
Posted - 2007.06.09 18:26:00 - [23]
 

Quote:
the north was a "peacefull region" while the south was more like the soviet union.


Laughing
Rolling Eyes

Spoken like a true "northerner"!
The north has never been peaceful. NAPfest it may have been, but peaceful it was not. Triumvirate? NFC/OPUS/Sparta? ISS? None of these entities had any direct link to the Alliance, save the first and last who due to the arrogance of the short-lived coalition were forced into that camp. One may also mention in defense (hah!) of the North that they did NAP specifically to fight the Alliance - Goonswarm are just one example of this, having been the catalyst for some of the wars with the names I mentioned above.

So, the north made it's own bed and it's now lying (in tatters) in it. You could've made it so much harder - Especially the Pure Blind/Fade/Deklein contingent - but too many people ducked out too soon. Not that you do, but if you ask my opinion the real reason the north fell was YouWhat - an alliance that never should've had a reason to be formed!

"You do it to yourself, you do; and that's what really hurts"

MKeeper
Caldari
Northern Exposure
Posted - 2007.06.09 18:32:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: TheArchJudge
Originally by: MKeeper
You should remove your head from your own arse if you actually believe that tripe. Southern napping scum Razz

You could also apply this to the term bandwagon... first the 'coalition' were mocked for it and then that quickly died down when most of the alliance realised they were in a larger one. Blinkers are great when you're wearing them.


*sigh*
Corp: Midnight Cartel
Member Count: 1

Must not feed the trolls Rolling Eyes


:rolleyes:
Corp: Finfleet
Member Count: 360

and my post above still contained more points relevant to the OP than yours.

Toppar Wear
Amarr
The Order of Odin
Posted - 2007.06.09 18:34:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Metal Dude
Edited by: Metal Dude on 09/06/2007 17:45:49

Originally by: Gaia Thorn

Not meant as a flamebait nor a talk down on bob but they irony ...



You actually think that people will believe that statement? You being an ex-CELES and all? How dumb do you think people are that play this game?

What's ironic is that from CELES you jump to a pirate corp. and now have -10-security status. That's what's ironic. But I guess apples don't fall far from the tree.

Edit: Besides, what are you complaining about? Now you and your CELES buddies can go gank BoB allies all over the north and boast about it on the forums.



He wanted something new.. What have that got to do with CELES.. Where you always bob ?... Guess not, people move on and so should you.. CELES is on summer holliday so stop being all afraid about ur pets getting hammered just now YARRRR!!

Gutsani
Gallente
Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.06.09 18:39:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos

Spoken like a true "northerner"!


if you had any clue you would realise i am not a northern .. also notice my quotes arround the "peacefull region" Rolling Eyes

and i was not giving a general description of the region either, this thread is about naps, not regions. just to clarify it. read past the lines, it helps.

offcourse, i dont expect a noob to know anything.

Camilo Cienfuegos
Caldari
Earned In Blood
Posted - 2007.06.09 18:48:00 - [27]
 

Quote:

if you had any clue you would realise i am not a northern .. also notice my quotes arround the "peacefull region" Rolling Eyes


You mean just like my quotes around "northerner"? Comprehension FTW!
I also take it you missed me shooting you & your friends in and around Providence/Catch? Oh wait, you didn't undock from the NPC station... Laughing

Quote:
and i was not giving a general description of the region either, this thread is about naps, not regions. just to clarify it. read past the lines, it helps.


Right. The examples I gave were the NFC/OPUS vs IRON/FLA conflict, which escalated due to a NAP with Goonswarm. You consider this irrelevant, I presume?

Quote:
offcourse, i dont expect a noob to know anything.


Of course, six months is such a long time in Eve. Or are you older than you look? Is this an occasion to say "PWYM"? Wink

Gutsani
Gallente
Chaos Reborn
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.06.09 18:57:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Gutsani on 09/06/2007 18:56:49
Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos

You mean just like my quotes around "northerner"? Comprehension FTW!
I also take it you missed me shooting you & your friends in and around Providence/Catch? Oh wait, you didn't undock from the NPC station... Laughing



dude, seriously, get yourself a clue and step from the computer. you have NEVER shotten at me or anybody i flew with in catch or providence, YOU are the one who died to us 3 times and your setup is teh funny.

and you still dont understand how irrelevant your post is to this thread? Neutral

Zagum Darkfin
Caldari
Ghosting Corp
Posted - 2007.06.09 19:05:00 - [29]
 

To the OP, do you know what NAP means???

Ok boys and girls here is a politcial lesson on packs or agreements. Non-Aggression Pack (NAP for the tards) Treaty only means if you don't shoot me I don't shoot you. THAT IS IT. It does NOT address common goals, trade, corp relationships, leaderships and roles, rules and regulations. A NAP just simply means you agree not to fight, end of story, move on.

There are Hundreds of OTHER Kinds of political relationships corps can have between themselves. There are stronger forms of "Alliances and Coalitions" that go far beyond a simple NAP. You have Owner/Tenant packs, military alliance packs, trade packs, political packs, defensive agreements etc. etc. that all can govern how corps and people behave among each other.

Trying to claim BOB is a napfeast means you don't have a clue what the hell you are talking about or understand the political process of Bob and friends. Try again, Next please!!

Smith
Caldari
Destructive Influence
Posted - 2007.06.09 19:13:00 - [30]
 

You will find these napfests will occur when u get polarization in the political landscape.


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