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Namlicnuoc
Gallente
Auraxian Irregulars
Black-Out
Posted - 2007.06.08 03:38:00 - [31]
 

I too don't post to or read the forums. I'm not a member of TIC and have only been a member of SUN for a short time. I post this with the hope that Vill will read this.

Frankly I don't understand any of this. Members leave TIC and the alliance and then the alliance leader leaves with alliance assets. Personally I'm not happy about any of this but I do understand that people want to play the way that's fun for them.

I understand that Vill's hurt and I understand his reasoning for locking down assets. In his place I would probably have done the same. But there are a hell of a lot of Alliance people that have done nothing to him save for following him to Hell and back. We all would have continued to follow him had he had the courtesy to at least talk to us. Tell us he's hurt and needs some time to think it out. Work with Alliance leaders to leave some sort of command structure in place. Give us a time line for a fair resolution and division of assets if he wants out. All things considered that's not much to ask.

I liked what I saw in Vill and others that have left. I don't like the lack of loyalty and lack of consideration in the actions of both sides of this whole affair. Maybe I'm just not use to a new world where honor is replaced with selfishness. Where the justification of the day is "I pay so I can do what I want". I do know that my world still has trusted friends in real life and the internet. This kind of stuff just makes trust and loyalty all that much more a valued commodity when you find it. And with that I say thank you to all of those in my Corp and the internet friends I can count on.

Talk to us Ville

Nam

Tarphon
Caldari
Helljumpers
En Garde
Posted - 2007.06.08 03:38:00 - [32]
 

Sorry to hear about your loss Sundering, corp and alliance thieves are scum. Villwrath and his alts as listed are added to my personal -10 list.

band0fdevs
Gallente
Band of Dev's
Posted - 2007.06.08 03:39:00 - [33]
 

i would think he has left game for good

Jules Wolfpack
Gallente
Seniors Clan
DEM0N HUNTERS
Posted - 2007.06.08 03:59:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: band0fdevs
i would think he has left game for good


I'd have thought the same, but as a nice "final action" of Vill, he logged on today, having already removed all roles of all in TIC, set the corp tax to 100%. What is this, payback for the already fragile state of the corp members who haven't bailed?

A real class act this one.

Farnett
Gallente
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION
ORPHANS OF EVE
Posted - 2007.06.08 04:53:00 - [35]
 

If he wanted out we would've let him go, hell we might've even given him a severance package if he wanted one. Prior to his current actions we all had the utmost respect for the guy, but he has taken deliberate and un-provoked actions to try and sabotage the alliance and his former corp. His actions aren't the actions of a distaught man, they're the actions of a vengefull man.

We gave him every chance to explain himself, and some of us still don't believe what happened. But it did happen, and Vill either needs to leave the game or go run missions the rest of his life cause we'll hunt him down into whatever hole he goes and hides in.

Goca
Minmatar
KAOS.
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2007.06.08 05:59:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Goca on 08/06/2007 06:14:50
I figured something wasn't jiving there...
We had excellent relations up in CR with Sunderling when we were in FLA, we talked with Villwrath when we saw you guys down south, he was evasive, something we never noticed before, it was almost like we were talking to a different person..
He certainly didn't seem like the helpful, cheerful out to help everyone guy we knew when we flew with him up north..

Then to be suddenly attacked by Sunderling when we thought we had good relations and Villwrath stating basically "tough luck guys" just didn't seem right.

Sorry for your losses guys, you guys were a class act up north. He's perma red now.. s.c.u.m..

edit: a question, are you guys sure that is the same Villwrath, ie: could it have been sold?

band0fdevs
Gallente
Band of Dev's
Posted - 2007.06.08 06:02:00 - [37]
 

sounds like his decided to leave the game and go with a bang.

Matrixcvd
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.06.08 06:43:00 - [38]
 

First, I want to thank everyone that has shown support for us in this time. It is surprising how this event has only made the SUN alliance stronger, better managed, and full of energy. This is the exact opposite road we would be on if the individuals had not left. Although it may have been costly, SUN and the future corporation, which will directly represent the current members of TIC, will take this spiteful action and move in a direction of increased potential.


as for this
Originally by: Droewa
Edited by: Droewa on 08/06/2007 00:12:03
Rolling Eyes

Nidia is a member oh JAKD now. And considering the amount of respect and backing he has from other Former TIC members now in JAKD, it will take some serious proof for me to believe he would aid in any kind of corp theft.

As for Vill. Shame.




Nidia is backed by individuals who lacked true leadership and through their selfish actions ruined their collective reputations. To me this "backing" is nothing more than cronyism in the worst degree. I am glad he was allowed to really shine in his 4 day stint in TIC and bring to light the real cancer which had been plaguing the SUN alliance.

Jules Wolfpack
Gallente
Seniors Clan
DEM0N HUNTERS
Posted - 2007.06.08 07:16:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Goca

edit: a question, are you guys sure that is the same Villwrath, ie: could it have been sold?


We thought about that, hoping his acct was hacked and someone got a hold of it. But that wouldn't explain why he wouldn't answer his phone or return any calls, nor the email to a personal contact Vill had.

Wish that was true m8.

Bleh131
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.06.08 08:01:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Matrixcvd

Nidia is backed by individuals who lacked true leadership and through their selfish actions ruined their collective reputations. To me this "backing" is nothing more than cronyism in the worst degree. I am glad he was allowed to really shine in his 4 day stint in TIC and bring to light the real cancer which had been plaguing the SUN alliance.


Wait what? I liked everything you said up until that bit.

I think that if you have a problem with Nidia, you settle it in-game, rather than firing your flame cannon in his general direction and hoping it doesn't hit people that still have respect for you.

Haerana
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.06.08 11:40:00 - [41]
 

I dont know Nidia as well as some people. Infact i barely know him at all.
But my impressions of Nidia have been less than good.
Then again i dont know him aswell as other people do.
Maybe im missing something about him.
In any case i dont think there is any needless flaming going on, or at least i hope not.
Its just people stating stuff but anyway nidia isnt the point of this thread so maybe we should leave him out of it.
I know that a great many members of SUN dislike him for reasons that i feel are justified so lets leave it at that.

Hexxx
Minmatar
EVE Financial Services and Insurance
Posted - 2007.06.08 13:17:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Bleh131
Originally by: Matrixcvd

Nidia is backed by individuals who lacked true leadership and through their selfish actions ruined their collective reputations. To me this "backing" is nothing more than cronyism in the worst degree. I am glad he was allowed to really shine in his 4 day stint in TIC and bring to light the real cancer which had been plaguing the SUN alliance.


Wait what? I liked everything you said up until that bit.

I think that if you have a problem with Nidia, you settle it in-game, rather than firing your flame cannon in his general direction and hoping it doesn't hit people that still have respect for you.


Nidia was a catalyst, of which there is an abundance of proof.

His short presence in the Alliance caused a surprising amount of instability. Many in leadership felt he was sowing the seeds of strife with the threads he started on our forums.

He attacked (at a personal level) one of our newer member Corps (Two Brothers Mining Corp) and made a few inappropriate "joke" threads that ended up offending quite a few people. Nidia didn't have alot of fans within Sundering because he tended to polarize people. Add to that, one of his known alts scouted for Villwrath during the "escape" incident, it's quite easy to see why there is so much ill will.

Within my own Corp (I can't speak for the others), no Director cared for him and for that matter, our CEO didn't either.

All of this is documented within our forums, and all incidents involving eyewitnesses have been confirmed from multiple sources. These are the facts.


Worlds
Minmatar
ironwood ink
Posted - 2007.06.08 13:22:00 - [43]
 

The Sundering, & all the current members of The Imperial Commonwealth will recover from this. What Villwrath has done is lamented, since so many people trusted him, even with personal real life issues.

Its okay and perfectly legitament to feel hurt because your directors leave your corporation. BUt, No one that originally left, took anything from TIC. They left free and clear, and with their respect intact.

On the other had, Villwrath felt that EVERYTHING that The Sundering, TIC, Caps R Us, and its members had belong to him.

Villwrath's honor, reputation, and loyalty and been severely misplaced by us all.

His actions are shocking, and unwarranted. I am frankly very disappointed and at a loss for what Villwrath has done.

All we can do now is move forward as an Alliance and continue pew pewing, making ISK, and having fun.

We have already begun discussions to re-purchase what has been lost, and our Alliance has NEVER been more united.

So, Villwrath

This message is for you. As a Christian I forgive you. This is in fact a game. I dont hate you... Good luck in on your journey through life on Eve-Online and beyond.

In the Bible its says, "Believe in me, and have faith, and your enemies will be crushed before you"

Yours Truly,

Worlds

Hexxx
Minmatar
EVE Financial Services and Insurance
Posted - 2007.06.08 13:40:00 - [44]
 

Well said Worlds.


This will be my last post in this paticular thread. I don't hate Villwrath personally, I may not trust him now and I am disappointed in him, but I don't hate him.

He made the choices he felt he had to make. While I really do wish I understood why he truely did what he did, despite having ALOT of support from within his own Alliance even in the face of a mass exodus of his Directors, we are moving on.

The silver lining to this whole mess is that this "tragedy" has served to really pull the entire Alliance very closely together. Because so many pilots were affected by this at a personal level; there is a real feeling of a family pulling together. I'm quite happy to be part of the Sundering right now, and despite what's happened, I won't stop trusting my fellow pilots.

It's a matter of time before something bad eventually happens again, and the only thing we can do for now is to grow and learn and enjoy the ride!

Lastly, thanks to the words of support that our friends have given us, we truely do appreciate it. See you all in space! Very Happy

ValleHull
Caldari
The Republican Guard
The Sundering
Posted - 2007.06.08 14:05:00 - [45]
 

The only thing i'm going to ad to this is, if Vill has no problem taking all the ISK from his hard working corp, the corp he was CEO of, and didn't have a problem cleaning out SUN of its ISK(which alot of members invested their hard earned ISK into the cap ship production, i personally am out 90 mil but honestly i don't care) and capitol BPO's whats to think he won't steal from one of you?

I'm thankful those that posted have blacklisted him. But there is always that one person who thinks " Hey i don't care what he did i can use those assets". Well my response to you would be, watch yourself cus he'll do the same to you eventually.

Malicel
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.06.08 18:19:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Droewa
Edited by: Droewa on 08/06/2007 00:12:03
Rolling Eyes

Nidia is a member oh JAKD now. And considering the amount of respect and backing he has from other Former TIC members now in JAKD, it will take some serious proof for me to believe he would aid in any kind of corp theft.

As for Vill. Shame.



Malicel
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.06.08 18:24:00 - [47]
 

Schedule of shady events:

- Nidia joins the alliance.

- Nidia starts problems within alliance by starting arguments.

- Nidia leaves alliance bringing several other guys to fix.

- Corp and alliance assets go missing.


Be careful FIX I don't think this is just a coincidence. Villwrath could of really freaked out but also he could of had help.

Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2007.06.08 21:18:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Malicel
Schedule of shady events:

- Nidia joins the alliance.

- Nidia starts problems within alliance by starting arguments.

- Nidia leaves alliance bringing several other guys to fix.

- Corp and alliance assets go missing.


Be careful FIX I don't think this is just a coincidence. Villwrath could of really freaked out but also he could of had help.


Nidia is a stright guy get a grip.

now if you whanted to know who is the real thife i coud sell you that infomation

Algey
Caldari
The Littlest Hobos
Posted - 2007.06.08 21:21:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Malicel
Schedule of shady events:

- Nidia joins the alliance.

- Nidia starts problems within alliance by starting arguments.

- Nidia leaves alliance bringing several other guys to fix.

- Corp and alliance assets go missing.


Be careful FIX I don't think this is just a coincidence. Villwrath could of really freaked out but also he could of had help.


Were you one of the people Nidia argued with? Kinda sounds like it.

Uco
Caldari
imperial support inc
Posted - 2007.06.08 21:39:00 - [50]
 

Nidia argued with every one

Mariko San
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2007.06.08 21:46:00 - [51]
 

Having known Vil since the begining of TIC back when zerx of all people was still ceo and playing eve, I feel like I have got a good idea about what kind of person he is.

I personally have been in and out of TIC several times in the last year+ with a character here and there just to try and stay in contact with a couple individuals ingame. I have observed vil slowly change since he started playing eve, and I eventually assumed somthing like this would happen. For one simple reason.... and I know this will get alot of flamage going but it needs to be said.

Vil gave his life to TIC and eventually SUN , his amibtions were too large and you could tell it was slowly eating at him. Which to me is sad because ultimately this is just a game and no one should ever get that serious over somthing that is meant to be fun and entertaining.

******** CAUTION ********* NOT FLAME RESISTANT BEYOND THIS POINT!!!!**********

In my opinion the individuals that left TIC right before this incident (curiously enough.. just kidding guys :)) are the unintentional cause of his actions. Nidia (as previously discussed in this thread) in my opinion, was not aiding vil in any of this, although i could be wrong. yes nidia is a smart*** and gets rather rude with people very quickly, esspecially on the sundering forums as mentioned ( I think he is bi-polar maybe?) but overall I feel had no part in this. Most of the others that left I dont really know too well other than bleh and king .... and those two individuals are class acts as far as I am concerned.

To the ex-sun members: I wish you the best and just try to ignore all of the hatefullness that ppl bring to the forums.

To SUN: I understand that you feel the need to plaster vil's name on the forums to warn ppl , relieve a little anger, and rightly so. But to throw people into the fire like you have (Nidia) is really a bit much and you should feel ashamed. Now maybe Nidia did and maybe nidia didnt help vil get out of wicked creek, but even if he did... isnt it possible that at the time he had no IDEA what vil had done and was just helping a friend. Now i understand that your probably going to respond with "OH HE KNEW" or some other rubbish, but that is just an example of one of a thousand reasons why/if nidia would of helped him. So unless you have proof ... STFU. Other than that, I wish you all the best as well, and hope that SUN not only lives on, but grows to be a major power in the eve universe in the future!

And lastly, to Vil: I honestly cant be mad at you because I have seen how much devotion you put into TIC and SUN, and when your top guys started bailing on you, it was too much apparently, but ... from this point on you and your alts will forever be restricted to -10.0 status to me, because although I am not angered... I am ashamed.

Algey
Caldari
The Littlest Hobos
Posted - 2007.06.08 22:05:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Uco
Nidia argued with every one



So she scouted your alliance leader out while in a station and arguing with him?

Jules Wolfpack
Gallente
Seniors Clan
DEM0N HUNTERS
Posted - 2007.06.09 02:04:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Mariko San
isnt it possible that at the time he had no IDEA what vil had done and was just helping a friend. Now i understand that your probably going to respond with "OH HE KNEW" or some other rubbish, but that is just an example of one of a thousand reasons why/if nidia would of helped him. So unless you have proof ... STFU.


It's possible, but given that everyone that left for FIX (to the corp that Nidia joined) knew days before Vill ever made a break for it that he emptied every wallet he could get a hold off and seized the BPO's, etc. for Nidia to deny that he knew that Vill didn't do it is just insane.

If you know Nidia, then you know this sort of thing isn't going to slide past him.

Do I have proof? What proof am I supposed to have? It's true I wasn't sitting with him at his CPU, and I didn't do a IP trace on his alts acct. to verify it's the same as Nidia Masters, but I was there when the alt scouted him out of WC. That's all I can offer in terms of proof, but what else can one prove in this game.

I don't have any clue what part Nidia had in this theft, if he got a cut, if he was just helping his buddy and didn't want any part. I honestly don't know. What do I know is he was there and assisted Vill to get out of system.

Believe what you want. These are simply the facts as I witnessed them.

All we've attempted to do here is simply vent a little frustration, expose a villain and scoundrel, and share with our community the perils of Eve when one person betrays your trust. It wasn't meant to slander any other TIC or ex-TIC member for the sake of it. Nidia was mentioned (by me) because he assisted Vill. Did he know? Was he an accomplice? Why don't you ask him and see if you trust what you hear and think what you want.

Hexxx
Minmatar
EVE Financial Services and Insurance
Posted - 2007.06.09 02:49:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Algey
Originally by: Uco
Nidia argued with every one



So she scouted your alliance leader out while in a station and arguing with him?



You know what he meant; the cute little asides aren't necessary.

Nidia does not stand accused of anything in paticular. He is however generally attributed to causing a great deal of instability and conflict internally within the Alliance...despite being there for on 4 days. Before Nidia, there was hardly any internal turmoil to speak of.

Compounding this are numerous "suspicious coincidences" and, as we're all aware, perception may not be reality, but it comes close awfully close in alot of peoples eyes.

But, as a reminder, this thread really isn't so much about Nidia as it is Villwrath. This thread is also not about slamming him over and over; many of us are sad that someone who did so much and gave so much would do this. It doesn't make sense to alot of us and the shock STILL hasn't worn off. Yes, we're angry to some degree, but we're also sad to lose such a great person.

Cubic
Minmatar
ironwood ink
Friend or Enemy
Posted - 2007.06.09 12:15:00 - [55]
 

I would like now for all the cross flaming to end, i believe all that needs to be said has been said.

Villwrath as regarded by most as a very upstanding individual turned against us after days of our support, stealing not just collective investments but personal ones of his "closest" friends he knew both in game and real life. he removed all roles from people in his corporation and set the corp tax to 100%. he attempted to steal an account from his "friend" to further his endevours. he refused all contact in game and real life for days before anybody in the alliance even began to slander his name (which is a long time for a guy that plays for hours every day).

It was nidia that after entering the alliance began to insult as many people as possible before leaving followed by the senior members of TIC, shortly after which vill severed contact. He was aided by an alt of Nidia Masters, seen scouting him out of the area many days after all the FIX guys knew of the incident unfolding.

To those that had left TIC to FIX whom were previsouly directors, allow me to extend my kindest thanks for your efforts within the alliance, and state that the alliance as a whole does not in any way regard your actions as having tainted your upstanding reputation.

The facts, nothing but.

Im sure everyone now knows their names and can make of it what they wish.

Officially we wish it to be known that we, The Sundering, will continue as normal. Although bruised, we have pulled together to do all that is necessary. Thankyou all for your support and understanding.

Regards, Cubic
Ironwood CEO - The Sundering


Algey
Caldari
The Littlest Hobos
Posted - 2007.06.09 15:13:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Algey on 09/06/2007 15:56:09
Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Algey
Originally by: Uco
Nidia argued with every one



So she scouted your alliance leader out while in a station and arguing with him?



You know what he meant; the cute little asides aren't necessary.

Nidia does not stand accused of anything in paticular. He is however generally attributed to causing a great deal of instability and conflict internally within the Alliance...despite being there for on 4 days. Before Nidia, there was hardly any internal turmoil to speak of.

Compounding this are numerous "suspicious coincidences" and, as we're all aware, perception may not be reality, but it comes close awfully close in alot of peoples eyes.



You claim there was no trouble, and that as soon as Nidia turned up there was nothing but arguments and your alliance fell apart, and it's all Nidias fault. Fell apart in a matter of 4 days.

You then claim that Satan, er Nidia helped your now mute and probably mind controlled/mad boss to run off with everything.

If you'd kept to the facts rather than trying to drag Nidia into the sorry mess of your alliance this thread would have a lot more worth.

4 days, and there was no problem before that...

poor spelling ftl Embarassed

hellwarrior
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2007.06.09 15:44:00 - [57]
 

i'm still laughing.

and you thought my nanophoon in YA0 was something to fear.

unfortuanate though, there are a few good guys the, the rest deserved to get ccok slapped

Altair Mogwa
Minmatar
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.06.09 18:17:00 - [58]
 

I can't imagine what it would feel like to be in this situation. It may be just a game, but a game that is different because you have to work to build assets. That takes time, and RL money.

Very sorry to hear of such epic theft. Best of luck in your future. If I see the name up north in 0.0 local, I'll be sure to pursue until on my overview.

The RepoMan
Caldari
Red Horizon Inc
Red Horizon
Posted - 2007.06.09 20:51:00 - [59]
 

Hm, flown with vill quite a few times, wouldnt have figured him for the corp theif type. Ah well, I'll be sure to ask him about it when his pod is tackled.

VinceNoir
Amarr
Shade.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.06.09 21:09:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: William Romeo
Edited by: William Romeo on 08/06/2007 02:01:55
edited to correct something..... but i still think Nidia was involved.


Your sig is gonna get pwnt son. Max size is 400x120 and 22kb.


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