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Hydraulic Gumball
Dragon's Rage
Posted - 2007.05.25 01:23:00 - [1]
 

Pros and cons?

Is Eve voice worth getting or would ventrilo/TS still the best option for voice comms?


MasterDecoy
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.05.25 04:38:00 - [2]
 

i don't know......ugh

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.05.25 04:40:00 - [3]
 

Teamspeak = One annual payment of $10 for your entire alliance.

Eve Voice = One annual payment of $10 for every single person in your alliance.

Seems pretty clear which choice is a winner here. Let alone when Eve-Online is down, like right now, and for the past few hours of lag, you can't use Eve Voice and laugh about how pathetic it is that Eve Online is having these sorts of issues 4 years after release.

Ribijk
Posted - 2007.05.25 04:41:00 - [4]
 

Eve voice was a waste of time/money IMHO.

SiJira
Posted - 2007.05.25 04:47:00 - [5]
 

i have confidence in CCP that they will make eve voice work

its actually quite tiring hearing people bad mouth it all the time

Igus
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.05.25 04:49:00 - [6]
 

Honestly I really don't see the point of Eve voice. With the state of the game being everyone is out to kill/scam/cheat/rob every other person thats not apart of your group there is no community to use such a functionality freely.

datachasm
Posted - 2007.05.25 04:50:00 - [7]
 

eve voice would be good if you could "hail" other ships in range, a nice tool to add some immersion to the game

as it is, imo TS is better, and yea cheaper. depends on if your corp uses it or not

Phaedruss
Rat Katchers inc.
Posted - 2007.05.25 04:51:00 - [8]
 

I find the sound quality of Eve Voice to be better than TS and Ventrilo with less lag in coms, and if they have fixed it so that Eve doesn't have to be the active window to use it, it will be a major improvement (haven't had time to test this last one with all the DT). It's convenient to use, but it's not always easy to find people willing to try it.

However, it's nowhere near as functional as TS i.e. broadcasting/whispering to different channels, and when Eve goes down, comms go down with it.

In the end, whether or not it's worth getting will depend on how many people are using it, and I think many will reject it out of principle.

Cammulos
Shadow Of The Light
R i s e
Posted - 2007.05.25 05:15:00 - [9]
 

Eve-voice shall rule all other voice comms the day the EULA is updated to make using anything else against company mandate.
...
.....At which time I will have a legit reason to explain to the FC why I'm not on comms. Not because I'm listening to Spineshank..no sure! Because Eve-voice plain MOTHER****IN SUCKS! Cool

Franny
Mentis Seorsum
Posted - 2007.05.25 05:40:00 - [10]
 

i'll stick with TS/Vent

and if they update the EULA so we can't run TS/Vent on the same PC, a lot of people will quit or run it on a 2nd/3rd/25th whatever PC
I have 3 running in my house, a 4th would take me about 2hrs to piece together from just spare parts, including installs

Ikasu
Gallente
Scrutari
Posted - 2007.05.25 05:47:00 - [11]
 

Eve voice is built in, a tad more reliable imo, and is likely to induce less lag since it's actually part of the game. The only REAL problemw ith Eve voice is that it's not very populated. To many people don't want to switch because their used to what they have.

Mal Plox
Gallente
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2007.05.25 05:56:00 - [12]
 


Many of us never even got around to testing EVE voice... i wanted to, i really did. But every time i logged in - there was some sort of something going on and we needed to be in Vent to know, participate, or just make sure we don't get rolled by incoming blob.

I do, however, plan to test it... eventually.

w0rmy
Destructive Influence
Posted - 2007.05.25 07:45:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: w0rmy on 25/05/2007 07:45:00
Originally by: SiJira
i have confidence in CCP that they will make eve voice work

its actually quite tiring hearing people bad mouth it all the time


Make it work? The users dont want it, because of that reason it cant never work.

Its actually quite tiring hearing fanbois like yourself all the time.



Take the last 6 hours as an example... I bet everyones TS and Vent servers have been working fine, how about your EVE Voice...


Mallikanth
Posted - 2007.05.25 07:50:00 - [14]
 

Its early days yet for Eve Voice.

I've tried it on my Vista PC and it eventually worked but it was quiet and the take up of other players was tiny, even when I told them to get on the free trial. The take-up and interest just wasn't there.

So...

I've now got a TS server and the Quality is much better, everyone knows what they need to do and controlling rooms etc is easy.

Now having said that, over time (a year or more?) I suspect eve voice will evolve and improve as will the uptake. Unless CCP built in more 'game specific' features (some of which are mentioned in this thread) I doubt it'll overtake the TS / Vent users.

My Two isk worth Neutral



Cadiz
Caldari
EXTERMINATUS.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.05.25 07:51:00 - [15]
 

EVE Voice is the butt of many unkind comments on my corp's Vent server. "Huh, got disconnected again. Man, I wish we were all on EVE Voice right now! It would be so awesome, what with the getting booted from vox when you lose server connectivity and all that!" ugh

Until EVE Voice functions independently of the client, it's effectively useless. And that seems to defeat much of its purpose. Honestly, they would've been better off coding a Vent/TS frontend into the client and leaving it at that, much like Lineage II did with MSN Messenger.

Ms Peddlington
Posted - 2007.05.25 07:53:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Ms Peddlington on 25/05/2007 07:53:46
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Arondos
Minmatar
Old Timers Guild
Posted - 2007.05.25 07:55:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Arondos on 25/05/2007 07:57:35

How do people come up with crakcpot ideas like CCP is going to tell me I can't use ventrilo or teamspeak?

Lol they are going to tell me via a EULA which virus checker I can run? That I can't check email? etc. Sorry but they can't tell me what software I can run unless that software is somehow altering, recording or doing something with the Eve code or data.

How about fixing the current sound issues inistead of adding voice comms? Running a pentium processor, soundblaster card and if I run two clients on one machine it causes a blue screen of death crash...due to a ram allocation problem. I've even had it happen running eve in the background and then running another application.


Matuk Grymwal
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2007.05.25 07:55:00 - [18]
 

I think the main potential for EVE voice is the gang integration. I'm not sure what ever ended up getting implemented, but having general chat auto-muted when a commander is talking is a handy feature.

In general not having to muck about with ts2 IPs and passwords is nice - handy for cross alliance gangs in particular when you're often on different alliance servers.

I'll go out on a limb and say its potentially more reliable as it would have been hopefully designed to handle EVEs blob sized fleets. If it's down, chances are all of EVE is down. I have been on many an alliance op when the ts2 server has dropped out, either due to general flakiness or server load.

I think if it were included in the general subscription cost so that it was available for everyone, then it would get a lot more traction. Not everyone having it is the big killer.

Dr Stone
Caldari
Gone Viking
Posted - 2007.05.25 07:55:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Dr Stone on 25/05/2007 07:54:48
Edited by: Ms Peddlington on 25/05/2007 07:53:14
I have so far failed to find any pros about EVE voice. A voice com client built into the actual game client? That just spells problems for all concerned.

I did try it myself. When I did, I was horrified. Today, I can play EVE fine. The client runs smoothly, even with Ventrilo or Teamspeak running in the background on the same computer.

But when I tested EVE Voice, I was truly horrified. Activating the EVE Voice com, the client lagged out. The FPS dropped 80% of normal and the game became unplayable. Not to mention that the sound quality was just horrible and laggy.

To be honest, if EVE wanted to waste a ****load of cash on this sort of crap, they should have just contacted Teamspea or Ventrilo or some other established voice com company, to hammer out a deal where they develope a client to be used with EVE (but not built in).

CCP just put Voice Coms 5 years back in development! :P


justcheckingthemarket
Posted - 2007.05.25 08:14:00 - [20]
 

realy what good is a voice client that dies when you have a disconnect??

this is imho the bigest disadvantage of eve voice.
we all know that disconnect can be quite common in eve ddepending on server performance, i would find it VERY stupid to loose the voice client at the same time because of that. and having to pay for that crap well... go for it, i dont feel sorry for stupid people ^^

Tintifish
The Scope
Posted - 2007.05.25 08:18:00 - [21]
 

I filled in that survey telling them all my thoughts. But it didnt work. So i guess they don't want to know. Oh well.

Afrodite Etnellag
Posted - 2007.05.25 08:23:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Afrodite Etnellag on 25/05/2007 08:21:47
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Teamspeak = One annual payment of $10 for your entire alliance.

Eve Voice = One annual payment of $10 for every single person in your alliance.

Seems pretty clear which choice is a winner here. Let alone when Eve-Online is down, like right now, and for the past few hours of lag, you can't use Eve Voice and laugh about how pathetic it is that Eve Online is having these sorts of issues 4 years after release.


Sooo, your pc wokrs 4 years with 1 hour dt every day and still no problems? never had an issue? HD failure? Fan disfuction? nothing?
Your car? what about your car? it was working 2-3 years ago, that means no servise needed?


Nezz Jaran
Posted - 2007.05.25 08:27:00 - [23]
 

For everyone pointing out that CCP could change the EULA to prevent users from using TS / Vent, that's just stupid.

1. That will alienate customers, thus decrease revenue.
2. The only way to enforce that is to monitor the customer's computer. That opens up a legal can of worms.
3. That opens them up to some serious legal issues with the teams that program TS and Vent.

Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.25 08:30:00 - [24]
 

CCP has been known to pay attention to their customers, but in this regard it seems they didn't. There was no need for it, and to say it didn't require any real resources to implement sounds like a cover-up to try and make the mistake seem like less of a mistake.

I know of no one who uses the built-in voice-comm tool. Just drop it, better to just let it die and put time into MORE IMPORTANT THINGS (ie. lag).


CHAOS100
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.05.25 08:52:00 - [25]
 

Maybe they should fix drones first.

ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
Posted - 2007.05.25 09:04:00 - [26]
 

vent or TS, really many advantages such as announcements, broadcasts etc.

Cost is just off at the moment paying per person rather than per alliance is just not gonna work for the majority, CCP obviously realises this by putting would you like an option for alliance or corp ceo to pay for it, type question in the feedback survey.

How ever unless CCP undercuts TS/Vent charges TS/Vent will always have the independence and stability factors in their favours, Im fairly sure if it gets to the point where CCP is undercutting TS/Vent then they are going to be in a loss making position with eve voice.

Mnem0nic
Gallente
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.05.25 09:08:00 - [27]
 

In order for Eve-voice to work properly in a large corporation or alliance (expecially when PvP'ing) it will mean that everyone will have to actually get Eve-voice and pay that little extra buck for it. I reckon not everyone is up for paying that litle extra when one can have Teamspeak or Ventrilo for "free"

R'olyat
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2007.05.25 10:17:00 - [28]
 

Why not just switch it to a standalone client? That seems like it would solve alot of issues....OH and reduce the price plOx.

Dave White
Interlude.
Posted - 2007.05.25 10:40:00 - [29]
 

The only reason why I personally don't like EVE Voice, is because it's simply too tied to the server. Server dies, comms die, and you have no way to communicate, unless you have a backup server ofcourse.

Nirtulys
Gallente
Little Big Industries
Posted - 2007.05.25 11:00:00 - [30]
 

eve-voice should be free of charge.


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