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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.02.19 20:54:00 - [31]
 

My system died at the most inopportune moment....logging in and sending ISK now. Embarassed

Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.02.19 20:58:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Kwint Sommer
My system died at the most inopportune moment....logging in and sending ISK now. Embarassed



It would appear that I was mistaken, and indeed Kwint is a man of his word.

A pleasure to do business with you sir. And my god your PC chose a bad time to crash :P

Shadarle
Posted - 2008.02.19 21:37:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Imperius Blackheart

I have 950 of these bonds, i'm looking to sell them for 910 million.

A quick 40 mil for whoever buys them.






Actually it's more like a quick 300+ mil since they have been selling for 1.3+ per as far as I know.

Imodesky Kafelnikov
The Colonial Forces
Posted - 2008.02.19 21:40:00 - [34]
 

Oh Ionia, where are you?

DarkStar251
Posted - 2008.02.19 21:47:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Imodesky Kafelnikov
Oh Ionia, where are you?


Firstly, you've said you are not a bondholder, so I'm not sure what your concern is.

Secondly, Ionia has a hell of alot of accounts, just because you haven't seen the Ionia character much, is meaningless.

Hell, he could just have 100 lab alts running BS BPO copying for all we know, in which case 1 hr a month would be enough time to put them all in for another month and dump them on the market.

Imodesky Kafelnikov
The Colonial Forces
Posted - 2008.02.19 21:56:00 - [36]
 

My concern is that a buisness partner with a great deal of my assets has disappeard. I know how many accounts he has. I know his PVP alts. I know alot of his industrial alts.

Cheers, Imode

Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2008.02.20 05:38:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Imodesky Kafelnikov
My concern is that a buisness partner with a great deal of my assets has disappeard.

And this is how you choose to treat him?

Daeva Vios
Posted - 2008.02.20 06:08:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Imodesky Kafelnikov
My concern is that a buisness partner with a great deal of my assets has disappeard.

And this is how you choose to treat him?



How should he be treated, if he can't be contacted any other way?

Treelox
Posted - 2008.02.20 06:14:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Daeva Vios
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Imodesky Kafelnikov
My concern is that a buisness partner with a great deal of my assets has disappeard.

And this is how you choose to treat him?



How should he be treated, if he can't be contacted any other way?


any other way for the last 4 months.....

Shar Tegral
Posted - 2008.02.20 06:25:00 - [40]
 

Treelox says the guy has been trying. Can't blame him for bringing it out public. Don't think he's going to get much satisfaction via this method though. I've yet to see a single one of the old timer fund managers respond to forum harassment in any way that might be called favorable.

And, considering the content of previous attempts to get Ionia's attention... If it were me he'd be lucky if he wasn't on my block list. Of course there is supposedly the matter of some assets in play. I'd return those forthwith and divest myself of someone so inclined as Imode has demonstrated.

IMHO what I get from this whole business, from Imode's early postings, is Imode wanting to know what is Ionia's business. Imode can't seem to imagine any business that Ionia may have or be engaged in that allows Ionia to not log in regularly. Imode also appears to be under the impression that he knows all of Ionia's accounts and alts (And truly, only my closest friends in Eve know that in detail) and thus assumes that Ionia is paying dividends from the funds gathered... not from any actual activity.

However, regarding the bond issue itself. Ionia pays the dividends as specified by the ipo/bond issuance statement that everyone read, agreed to, and purchased the bonds with. Ionia is not obligated to divulge the method nor means of profit. Just make the payments and honor any obligations in that initial prospectus.

Thus, in the end, a lot of drama over one person's need to know when they've apparently built an expectation of it. It's nothing to do with this bond, to be honest, and Ionia may in fact be simply ignoring Imode quite specifically for good reason.

Who are we to know? More importantly, since this seems to be a personal matter not related to MD or the bond... who the heck are we to judge/bother/whatever?

Imodesky Kafelnikov
The Colonial Forces
Posted - 2008.02.20 06:52:00 - [41]
 

I dont claim to know all of his alts, however I do know many of the ones he frequented. So my first post did come out a bit wrong, however that was mainly because it was led that direction. As far as Ionia's buisness plan is concerned; I know what it was 4 months ago.

Shar Tegral
Posted - 2008.02.20 07:00:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Imodesky Kafelnikov
<stuff>

So, I guess the real question is: What is your purpose here specifically? Is there some reason Ionia is not answering you? I know there are people in game I don't respond to because I choose not to respond to them. Or, more importantly, are you a bond holder or share holder?

The gist of the problem here is, me thinks, that you are not being able to communicate with Ionia for whatever reason (Likely by Ionia's design). So, you've come here as a last ditch effort, you've spread a good healthy dose of FUD, and you hope that you'll antagonize Ionia enough to respond to you finally. And if not, you'll simply attempt a scorched earth attitude with Ionia's reputation... or so you believe.

Now, I'm not at all trying to troll you mate. I'm just saying, from all that you've said the summary seems to be the above. And, well, if it is your issue would've been better posted on COAD than here. COAD people go for that sort of thing. Around here we have drama but we like to keep it to quantifiables if we can.

Imodesky Kafelnikov
The Colonial Forces
Posted - 2008.02.20 07:22:00 - [43]
 

As far as I know there is no reason for Ionia not to contact me IF he has any idea that I am trying to get ahold of him. We were in the middle of trying to finish some buisness when he, well, i dunno. Disappeared?

ect ect...

Cheers, Imodesky Kafelnikov


Shar Tegral
Posted - 2008.02.20 07:26:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Imodesky Kafelnikov
As far as I know there is no reason for Ionia not to contact me IF he has any idea that I am trying to get ahold of him. We were in the middle of trying to finish some buisness when he, well, i dunno. Disappeared?
Thanks, now we have perspective that we can understand. I wish you luck in your efforts.

Treelox
Posted - 2008.02.20 07:41:00 - [45]
 

I know of others who havent been able to reach Ionia for months, even those attempting to reach him by the prescribed method in the bond write up for bond buy backs and reissuances.


OFC those others would rather pine in silence or to people in game, since they fear they will be immediately branded a FUD spreader.


---

I also know that the corp him and I used to be corp m8s in(FTEK), hasnt really seen hide nor hair of those characters of his that belong in that corp, nor to my understand on the corp forums, since about the same time as his disappearence in the begining of November.


---

Last I'll say on this matter, for this month.

Imodesky Kafelnikov
The Colonial Forces
Posted - 2008.03.30 07:40:00 - [46]
 

Im getting my camping gear out for monday. Very Happy I got a feeling im going to be online all day waiting for Ionia. Confused

Shadarle
Posted - 2008.03.30 08:54:00 - [47]
 

It seems clear Ionia has disappeared... maybe one day to return... but at the moment the chance of getting a div on monday seems to be approaching zero quickly.

I don't see why anyone should be attacked for wondering where the hell Ionia is on these forums, if that is considered rude, harassing, mean, annoying, etc then IPO's are doomed. When a CEO of an IPO/Bond disappears and fails to pay divs for an entire month and had been apparently playing less and less prior to that it is 100% fair for any shareholder, and even non shareholders, to ask what is going on and to keep asking until they get an answer.

Frankly it's getting close to the point where Ionia is going to have to be labeled a scammer. Perhaps Ionia didn't intend to scam... perhaps it was a hit by a bus incident... perhaps the internet is inaccessable for some reason... but the end result is that at the moment all investors have lost all their money they had in him. So call it a scam, call it a failed business, call it a disappearing act... but don't get mad at people who call it what it is, a major problem.

EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
Posted - 2008.03.30 09:15:00 - [48]
 

It's not like anyone questioned FRPB on post 2 of this thread or anything Laughing

Kwint Sommer
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.30 17:01:00 - [49]
 

I'm giving it 90 days from the last dividend payout before I completely write it off in my books but it's really not looking good. Even now I'm starting to regret buying it at 400k. Neutral

I prefer to think that it's a hit-by-a-bus situation but the fact that many people claim payments continued for months after Ionia essentially stopped playing and communicating with the rest of EVE makes me think that this is a case of Ionia loosing interest/time to play EVE and simply leaving all of his investors hanging.

By the way, nice call Ricdic.

YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
Posted - 2008.03.30 18:05:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: YouGotRipped on 30/03/2008 18:06:46

Originally by: Daeva Vios
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Imodesky Kafelnikov
My concern is that a buisness partner with a great deal of my assets has disappeard.

And this is how you choose to treat him?



How should he be treated, if he can't be contacted any other way?


There's nothing left to treat? :))
I only wish I joined these forums sooner.

Vinchester
Posted - 2008.03.30 20:22:00 - [51]
 

thanks for 40b+.

IceWarriors
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2008.03.30 20:23:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: IceWarriors on 30/03/2008 20:24:27
responded to an old post by accident... ooopsEmbarassed

Kwint Sommer
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.30 20:28:00 - [53]
 


Thanks to a very badly timed computer crash (that video card has been RMA'ed) I received the shares, confirmed that fact and then my client closed. Embarassed I was back on within 15 minutes and paid in full as his post confirms but for those ~15 minutes he had good reason to be concerned. All is well though and I've never had a complaint against me that wasn't resolved within the day. Cool

Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2008.03.30 20:29:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Kwint Sommer

Thanks to a very badly timed computer crash (that video card has been RMA'ed) I received the shares, confirmed that fact and then my client closed. Embarassed I was back on within 15 minutes and paid in full as his post confirms but for those ~15 minutes he had good reason to be concerned. All is well though and I've never had a complaint against me that wasn't resolved within the day. Cool



Wha? Btw, why dont you check your eve window from time to time.

Kwint Sommer
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.30 20:43:00 - [55]
 

IceWarriors was responding to this stuff:

Originally by: Imperius Blackheart
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Imperius Blackheart

I have 950 of these bonds, i'm looking to sell them for 910 million.

A quick 40 mil for whoever buys them.



I'll take them. I'm on now and will be on later tonight.



It appears (for the moment at least) that Kwint is a thief, who has taken the shares but not sent the money for them.

Its only 860 mil he owes me, not the end of the world, but should be a word of warning for people who do future business with him.

Of course if he does set this right then i'll retract the statement.

At the moment it appears he took the bonds, confirmed to me that the recept and then went offline.




Originally by: Imperius Blackheart
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
My system died at the most inopportune moment....logging in and sending ISK now. Embarassed



It would appear that I was mistaken, and indeed Kwint is a man of his word.

A pleasure to do business with you sir. And my god your PC chose a bad time to crash :P




As far as answering convoes go, you know I could never ignore you Amarr Citizen. Smile Heck, I added you to my address book. But Iíve got EVE open on my desktop but Iím typing this from my tablet. Iím in the library ďdoing research.Ē Wink I should be at my keyboard after dinner tonight.

Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2008.03.30 20:53:00 - [56]
 

Ahh I see. You should really check your destop a lot soner than after dinner though. Seriously, you should.

Segge Bolled
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.31 03:18:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Kwint Sommer
I'm giving it 90 days from the last dividend payout before I completely write it off in my books but it's really not looking good. Even now I'm starting to regret buying it at 400k. Neutral


I'll buy 250 for 200k each. Wink

Kwint Sommer
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.31 03:54:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Segge Bolled
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
I'm giving it 90 days from the last dividend payout before I completely write it off in my books but it's really not looking good. Even now I'm starting to regret buying it at 400k. Neutral


I'll buy 250 for 200k each. Wink



I appreciate the offer but even I'll take the gamble and purchase more at 200k. I'm definitely done buying at 400k though.

Segge Bolled
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.31 04:39:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Segge Bolled on 31/03/2008 04:58:53
Well it was worth a shot! (I should counter-offer 200,000.01, as per the Jita tradition Wink)

EDIT: And at least I wouldn't have to wait four minutes before I can make another offer, either!

Imodesky Kafelnikov
The Colonial Forces
Posted - 2008.04.01 16:56:00 - [60]
 

Shocked


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