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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.05.08 04:49:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Sexorella hotz
Now...this is just a thought, based on the fight he was in, and that fact that his problem was he couldn't hit anything, HOW THE **** IS SIEGE GOING TO HELP HIM!? All you people are flaming about the lack of siege, but he really wouldnt' be able to hit without it, which means he'd just be prolonging the inevitable.

That said, your biggest problem was no supporting gang, plain and simple.



True but with siege and a hold full of stront he would have lived for an hour or so a least Laughing

Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2007.05.08 05:05:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Soul Reaver
Hi Guys

The other night I lost my dread to a gang of Veto Corp. Now dont get me wrong I dont care about losing the ship and this post is not a flame against pirates either. I actually realy enjoyed the conflict up until I lost my connection and could not get back in game till the next day to find me in my clone. I am SURE they enjoyed blowing up a dread he he Anyway I ramble :)

Up until I lost my connection I was maintaining 90% cap and easily 90% shields BUT I could not hit these guys for toffee and I was wondering if money was not an object (it isnt) how would you setup a phoenix to be able to fair better in that situation again? i was jammed and coulnd not jump out by the way. As I say I love the thrill of it (being vastly outnumbered) and I dont care if I lose ships as long as im having fun in game so i want to do this again :) But take some of them with me next time.

So anyway I was thinking something like this below to enable me to warp and web so as to at least be able to hit something with my cits. I can manage 300000 shields by the way and just under 100000 cap.


HIGHS x 4 slots
3 x Citadel launchers
1 x Dual 1000mm Railgun

MEDS x 7 slots
1x Target painter
1x F90
1x Warp jammer
1x Webber
1x Cap booster 800
1x Invul Field

LOWS x 5 slots
1x Capitol Armour repairer
1x Ballistic control system
1x Damage Control
2x Power diagnostic unit

RIGS
3x CCC 11


As I said money is no object and I have loads of officer stuff lying around so give it your dream setup :) The setup I deem to be best will get a prize in game :) A nice one.






Sorry mate but its also clear to me you bought this account wiht all the stuff and i dont like it.



Ferocious FeAr
THE FINAL STAND
Everto Rex Regis
Posted - 2007.05.08 05:06:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 08/05/2007 05:02:50
I have a better idea, give me your isk I will spend it wiser. :)

Rockbox
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2007.05.08 06:03:00 - [64]
 

Veto are griefers.

Nerf Veto tbh...

;p


oh and try fitting a siege mod.


and caldari shield tanks.

Tisanta
Amarr
Stargazer Exploration Company
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2007.05.08 06:09:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Tisanta on 08/05/2007 06:08:09
same rigs

3 citidal luanchers
siege module NO %$&#

4 t2 target painters
3 SS sensor boosters

3 officer bcu's
cap rep
officer EANM or corpum etc.



witht hat many painters, being in siege mode, and shooting 3 citidal torps u will face **** anything before they can warp out....

web drones also

Shardrael
Caldari
The Fimbriani
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2007.05.08 06:28:00 - [66]
 

if you are going for an all out painting setup with web drones, make sure you have atleast one officer webber on there, as when the drones die so do you otherwise

Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2007.05.08 08:24:00 - [67]
 

Oh my... I am staunch anti-pie, but really, THANK YOU Veto for relieving this poor Phoenix of the pain it must have felt as subject of such a less-than-competent pilot.

And really, admitting you ebayed this account would make you look better than the alternative. If you really played for four years and have the level of clue displayed in this thread, it would make you something that I cannot mention here without getting banned.

And all the flak (mine included) stems from the fact that someone with so little knowledge of the game simply does not deserve the kind of assets you seem to have.

Logi3
Posted - 2007.05.08 08:51:00 - [68]
 

Just a quick point. He was shooting at us as a few peeps had to warp out. But, im guessing when he went into Siege mode, then ewar failed to work hence he could shoot!

Skywalker
Minmatar
MAFIA
Posted - 2007.05.08 09:19:00 - [69]
 

Simple rules...

1. Use painters II and mizuro's webifier or better faction webber.
2. Never engage at a gate if you are solo.
3. Set up transversial speed on overview, shoot slowest/biggest/nearest targets as primary.

Also, make sure you can substain both cap and tank, if they know what they are doing they will suck your cap out using neutralizers.


I had alot of experience in pirating with a dread so just convo me ingame if you need any advices on this matter.


Druadan
Syrus Speculations
Posted - 2007.05.08 09:28:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: BladeUK
I didnt think you could put guns on a pheonix or is it just me.....


It has one turret slot, but no one who can spell their own name uses it.


Hahahaha. I'm in a lecture trying not to laugh my arse off. You're a legend.

darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse
Posted - 2007.05.08 10:28:00 - [71]
 

souls not been bought on ebay.

d solo.

darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse
Posted - 2007.05.08 10:41:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: slothe
Originally by: Ecky X
I don't suppose you can fly the Gallente dread? I've seen people solo in it... but it can actually hit stuff. (drones)

The Caldari dread can be dreadfully awesome, if you have the support of 1 or 2 Vigils with target painters and webs, but it doesn't solo so well.


our corp recently fought a moros in t2 command ships and we took heavy losses. i think a blaster moros properly fitted is best for solo dread (not that you should solo but if you have to...).


well funny u say that, we have killed pleanty moros, but have always had trouble with the phoenix.... the prob with the phoenix is that its a shield tanker meaning meds are used in ur tank, this is one of the reasons i think the caldari carrier is also crap, meds in cap ships should be used for toys.. sensor boosters, warp dis, things like that.. unless ur pos bashing or in fleet.

solo cap ships, more so dreads need webs and target painters or sum target painting pals. what works well is armour transfering carrier repping up a target painting pal. carrier should not EVER not have remote reps in smaller scale pvp.

Iv always found the cap ships we have killed with BS have been over tanked.. sometimes not even fitting a warp dis, without this we just warp out, boost up and come back, no tec2 tank will last forever. 1 warp dis would screw us over unless we have damps or good ecm.

d solo.

Gladiator Jonny
Gallente
Invicta.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2007.05.08 10:47:00 - [73]
 

i find it funny theirs still a page of flames and setups after this guy apparently sold his account again Razz

its as simple as tho, if you train for a dred you WILL create a setup that works.

if you buy a setup of e-bay you WILL loose it. and people will laugh at you Twisted Evil

Odinegras
Gallente
0utbreak
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2007.05.08 12:01:00 - [74]
 

Buy a Moro's and fit like a Domi (except with faction and capital mods)

3xHeavy nos
1xsiege module

2xsensor booster
2xlarge cap booster injectors
1xwebber

2x capital reppers
1x thermic hardner
1x kin hardner
1x explo hardner
1x eanm
1x DC

A ton of tech2 drones.

Pop into siege mode and tank like a hobo while ya drones kill stuff....

Soul Reaver
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.08 12:03:00 - [75]
 

Hey Ho Darth Sorry I didnt see you too much in corp I was away again on my travels :(

Ok for the record and the flamers.

1. I setout to encounter veto I knew they were in system and warped to them after meeting one outside station
2. I knew I would probably lose (who cares)
3. I do daft thimngs like that as Darth will attest too
4. It is me as only I would know merd has a funny voice on Cult vids and IO sadly died :( (sorry merd)
5. I would NEVER sell my account on ebay what a daft idea
6. I earn my isk because I pay for all my nephews corps accounts and they pay me in in game isk weekly :) My slaves have been known by several players in game for years.
7. I have too much isk as a result
8. I was bored with my dread
9. I have NO issue with veto and I hope they enjoyed the battle and the kill. I enjoyed it before I lost my connection due to my doggy wifi
10. I had a tanked setup with painters on and also a siege module
11. I also had a bug and could not launch drones for some reason
12. I would never use a setup like I posted at the start of this thread. It was designed just to get some sensible ideas flowing
13. I like flying solo and wanted to see if any of you had valuable ideas about doing so in a Phoenix. then i would test them on Veto again and lose another dread :)
14. I dont care about losing ships
15. I have a dislike of childish flamers they do NOT make this game or indeed these forums an intersting place to be.
16. I think I might have mistaken losing lock for a mixture of dodgy connection and also Veto rotating ships with warping them in and out again it was difficult to tell as I kept losing it and then coming back.


I hope that clears up a few things :)

Oh and flamers aside I said at the start that the best suggestions (most sensible) would get a prize in game and becase im mad I have decided to give one of you one of my fully fitted Chimera carriers which is located also in Aunenen. I am getting a Wyvern so dont need it anymore. I will mail you in game and setup a contract for you to pick it up. Enjoy


Chronus26
Team Laser Explosion
Molotov Coalition
Posted - 2007.05.08 12:19:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Soul Reaver
1. I setout to encounter veto I knew they were in system and warped to them after meeting one outside station
2. I knew I would probably lose (who cares)
3. I do daft thimngs like that as Darth will attest too
4. It is me as only I would know merd has a funny voice on Cult vids and IO sadly died :( (sorry merd)
5. I would NEVER sell my account on ebay what a daft idea
6. I earn my isk because I pay for all my nephews corps accounts and they pay me in in game isk weekly :) My slaves have been known by several players in game for years.
7. I have too much isk as a result
8. I was bored with my dread
9. I have NO issue with veto and I hope they enjoyed the battle and the kill. I enjoyed it before I lost my connection due to my doggy wifi
10. I had a tanked setup with painters on and also a siege module
11. I also had a bug and could not launch drones for some reason
12. I would never use a setup like I posted at the start of this thread. It was designed just to get some sensible ideas flowing
13. I like flying solo and wanted to see if any of you had valuable ideas about doing so in a Phoenix. then i would test them on Veto again and lose another dread :)
14. I dont care about losing ships
15. I have a dislike of childish flamers they do NOT make this game or indeed these forums an intersting place to be.
16. I think I might have mistaken losing lock for a mixture of dodgy connection and also Veto rotating ships with warping them in and out again it was difficult to tell as I kept losing it and then coming back.


Well that makes a little bit more sense, original story didnt really add up.

I have a feeling I met you on SiSi once when you were a few days from getting a Dread on TQ, and you seemed to know what you were on about. Then again, It might not have been you, I just remember the name from somwhere. Razz

Mike Yagon
Minmatar
The Nest
Posted - 2007.05.08 12:35:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Marquis Dean
- cap boosters on capitals are bad


Aaaactually, on carriers you can use them to good effect.

Lougra
Gallente
Posted - 2007.05.08 13:05:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Soul Reaver
Hi Guys

The other night I lost my dread to a gang of Veto Corp. Now dont get me wrong I dont care about losing the ship and this post is not a flame against pirates either. I actually realy enjoyed the conflict up until I lost my connection and could not get back in game till the next day to find me in my clone. I am SURE they enjoyed blowing up a dread he he Anyway I ramble :)

Up until I lost my connection I was maintaining 90% cap and easily 90% shields BUT I could not hit these guys for toffee and I was wondering if money was not an object (it isnt) how would you setup a phoenix to be able to fair better in that situation again? i was jammed and coulnd not jump out by the way. As I say I love the thrill of it (being vastly outnumbered) and I dont care if I lose ships as long as im having fun in game so i want to do this again :) But take some of them with me next time.

So anyway I was thinking something like this below to enable me to warp and web so as to at least be able to hit something with my cits. I can manage 300000 shields by the way and just under 100000 cap.


HIGHS x 4 slots
3 x Citadel launchers
1 x Dual 1000mm Railgun

MEDS x 7 slots
1x Target painter
1x F90
1x Warp jammer
1x Webber
1x Cap booster 800
1x Invul Field

LOWS x 5 slots
1x Capitol Armour repairer
1x Ballistic control system
1x Damage Control
2x Power diagnostic unit

RIGS
3x CCC 11


As I said money is no object and I have loads of officer stuff lying around so give it your dream setup :) The setup I deem to be best will get a prize in game :) A nice one.






Provide me the required bps/ore and ill build one for you for free Wink

Skywalker
Minmatar
MAFIA
Posted - 2007.05.08 14:09:00 - [79]
 

Hi, i can't fly Phoenix myself but here is suggestion...

High:
1x Siege Module, 3x Citadel Launchers, 1x 6x2500mm Artillery I (other close range guns works also)

Medium:
1x Mizuro's Webifier, 1x Warp Disruptor II (or faction long range), 2x Target Painter II, 3x Cap Recharger II

Low:
1x Cap Armor Repairer, 1x Exp II Hardener, 1x Kinetic II Hardener, 1x Thermal II Hardener
1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Rigs:
2x Capacitor control circuit II
1x Capacitor control circuit

Drones: Webbing drones or target painting drones.

What i don't like about this ship is that you probably can't fit dual repairers, that makes it weak in fighting more numbers.

Using the faction webifier, you make sure the torps will hit the ones that are able to scramble you this might give you a slight chance to get out if you are not in docking range.

Don't go into siege mode if not needed, you can still hold down the prey if you are fighting a smaller gang.

I Fight near a station, otherwise you are sitting duck without friends, you will be amazed how many people are stupid enough to attack you. Your best friend is the Claymore with target painters...



dalman
TunDraGon
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.05.08 14:11:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: dalman on 08/05/2007 22:07:53
Removed cause it's off topic as most of the thread.

Skywalker
Minmatar
MAFIA
Posted - 2007.05.08 14:29:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Soul Reaver
Hey Ho Darth Sorry I didnt see you too much in corp I was away again on my travels :(

Ok for the record and the flamers.

1. I setout to encounter veto I knew they were in system and warped to them after meeting one outside station
2. I knew I would probably lose (who cares)
3. I do daft thimngs like that as Darth will attest too
4. It is me as only I would know merd has a funny voice on Cult vids and IO sadly died :( (sorry merd)
5. I would NEVER sell my account on ebay what a daft idea
6. I earn my isk because I pay for all my nephews corps accounts and they pay me in in game isk weekly :) My slaves have been known by several players in game for years.
7. I have too much isk as a result
8. I was bored with my dread
9. I have NO issue with veto and I hope they enjoyed the battle and the kill. I enjoyed it before I lost my connection due to my doggy wifi
10. I had a tanked setup with painters on and also a siege module
11. I also had a bug and could not launch drones for some reason
12. I would never use a setup like I posted at the start of this thread. It was designed just to get some sensible ideas flowing
13. I like flying solo and wanted to see if any of you had valuable ideas about doing so in a Phoenix. then i would test them on Veto again and lose another dread :)
14. I dont care about losing ships
15. I have a dislike of childish flamers they do NOT make this game or indeed these forums an intersting place to be.
16. I think I might have mistaken losing lock for a mixture of dodgy connection and also Veto rotating ships with warping them in and out again it was difficult to tell as I kept losing it and then coming back.


I hope that clears up a few things :)

Oh and flamers aside I said at the start that the best suggestions (most sensible) would get a prize in game and becase im mad I have decided to give one of you one of my fully fitted Chimera carriers which is located also in Aunenen. I am getting a Wyvern so dont need it anymore. I will mail you in game and setup a contract for you to pick it up. Enjoy




There is a Wyvern BPC on contract for 5 billion, now you just need a place to build itRolling Eyes

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2007.05.08 14:55:00 - [82]
 

I find it funny how flamers in here couldn't get past the "zomg n00b setup ebay etc" stage, especially since the killmail confirmation (for a better look at the ACTUAL setup used in the encounter) would have been a copy-paste and a couple of clicks away. Oh well, such is the forum crowd, not even aplogizing when they realize THEY were wrong, but keep going at it... figures.

So, as you were saying, tank didn't seem to be a problem, only the "killing of stuff".
To be honest, yeah, indeed, in a situation like this (assuming you can't or won't call for friendly backup) you would have stood no chance to flee, and you probably would have died sooner than later due to the enemy bringing more friends to the barbecue... so your only chance would have been to at least kill a few targets.

As some people pointed out, you shouldn't be jammable in siege, so yeah, they were probably just rotating ships whenever you had locks on them, and I can only assume you did get locks once in a while.
In other words, you need to keep them locked down just enough to kill them.
You could go with a sensor booster or even two, but frankly, I don't think your problem was with lock time as much as with holding'em down, and using sensor boosters eats up way too much "otherwise valuable" mids, so just drop'em (you don't really want to go armor-tanking a phoenix, now do you?).

No matter how "newbish" people tell you it is, in THIS particular situation and this particular situation only, where you have absolutely no backup whatsoever (really, why not bring a couple of friends, even if they're in kamikaze mode), a pair of longest-affordable-common-maxrange webber and warp jammer is mandatory.
At least 3 more slots are tank, so booster/amp/invul, and obviously you want at least a target painter.
Heck, you could remove the amp or invul and fit a second painter, but meh, not sure how much it will help your damage output, and it would certainly hurt your tank badly (and it's quite weak as it is already).
For the lows, accept no substitute for at least 2x BCUs (BCS, whatever, "new" name sucks) and a couple of PDUs (you really exect me to call them PDSs?).
Round it off with either a damage control (if you have more than enough cap recharge already and want a bit of extra survival time) or another PDU/BCU (in case your cap recharge was low or you need even more damage output).

As for rigs... well, as I seriously doubt missile explosion radius rigs would help citadel torpedos (seing how they don't even help normal torpedos), so your only sensible choice remains either CCC or SMC rigs, or a combination of them.

50freefly
Caldari
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.05.08 14:56:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Marquis Dean
God i'm gonna get another forum warning for this.


As you should.

Yeah, the setup sucks, but the guy asked for help, not 'OMGZORZ HE EBAAIIIED!!1!'. I consistently notice your trolling throughout the forums, and you aren't exactly omnipotent yourself, I see plenty of errors in your perfect setups.

Less trolling, more helping please.

@ the OP- The setup does kinda suck. I would recommend the one with the officer webs (2), 2 target painters, armor tank one (can't remember poster's name).

GL, and nice to see that you want to try again rather than saying, 'Aww I lost my dread it's CCP's fault I'm quitting'.

Smertrios
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.05.08 15:16:00 - [84]
 

I was one of the pilots to get the initial tackle and then later switched to a NOS bs to drain his cap.

Simply put a lone dread is going to die to 20 smaller ships... even if he had not lost connection we would have drained his cap very quickly and it would only have been a matter of time.

Even with a whole heap of painters we would have just cycled our bs in and out of the battle to avoid most if not all losses... bear in mind we fought most of the fight with ships smaller than a bs anyway and we were under sentry fire the whole time.

Dreads are broken.... unless you are killing a pos or a stationary carrier they are just useless and no amount of isk is going to make them any better imho

However if you want to test more setups then do come back, it was a lot of fun killing you YARRRR!!


Soul Reaver
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.08 15:42:00 - [85]
 

Dalman

Whilst I thank-you for the veiled flattery (I never knew I ws loved so so much) I can assure you that if you KNEW me like Darth and others you would know it's me :) It is just the type of thing Soul would do as a character in game (I roleplay Soul and he has ALWAYS been mad) and just the same language I would use in this forum too. You should also know that whilst I was flattered to join Cult VERY early on I was NEVER as good at pvp as Merd, Fal and IO. I always flew support and EW in my scorp and while this role is important I was always primary and died a LOT. Yes in a 1v1 I can hold my own :)

I am sad that this thread did not turn out the way I intended and has releflected in a negative way on me. Perhaps I phrased the original post wrong and that made me look like a noob. Sorry for that. I really was only looking for ideas for solo dread flying and its feasability. I honestly did not expect to be so vilified.

I actually have not flown my caps that much in combat and because I am humble and not afraid to learn new things I dont mind asking others for their opinions in PvP when they have more experience than me. There are a LOT of cap pilots with more experience than me especially with setups. This is logical to me. I want to be better and you dont get that by not asking questions. Cult were so good becase we used to train ALL the time, espcially IO and me, God rest him. I have not had opportunity to train in my caps and am having to learn the hard way.

If anyone had bought this account on Ebay they would NOT know I drive a Silver 550 Maranello in real life :) Darth does as he has seen the picture!!!

Nuff said.


Soul Reaver
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.08 15:48:00 - [86]
 

Smertrios

Yes I enjoyed it a lot and don't doubt you will see me again when I try some of these ideas :)


xenodia
Gallente
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION
ORPHANS OF EVE
Posted - 2007.05.08 15:49:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: xenodia on 08/05/2007 15:53:31
Originally by: Soul Reaver
Hi Guys

HIGHS x 4 slots
3 x Citadel launchers
1 x Dual 1000mm Railgun

MEDS x 7 slots
1x Target painter
1x F90
1x Warp jammer
1x Webber
1x Cap booster 800
1x Invul Field

LOWS x 5 slots
1x Capitol Armour repairer
1x Ballistic control system
1x Damage Control
2x Power diagnostic unit

RIGS
3x CCC 11




Im not even going to speculate as to how you could have been playing long enough to fly a dread but have no ship fitting skills **caugh EBAY**. But please evemail me and let me know when and where you plan to fly this dread with this setup. Id really like to ... um... watch. Ive got a moros floating around somewhere. We can compare setups Twisted Evil

Now that thats out of the way.... as to your original post... honestly I dont think there is a viable solo dread setup that will win when attacked by 20 people. If you enter siege mode, you take so long to lock they can just cycle ships in and out. If you dont enter siege, they will jam you, warp scramble you, and generally rip you a new one over time. Probably best outcome you could have hoped for there is to have a cyno character standing by, and the instant you exited siege mode jump before they could get a warp scrambler on you. In the attackers mind, youd have still "lost" because you ran away, but at least youd still have a dread.

Bottom line is... dont take dreads out without support. The only one that stands half a chance is the moros, and there are ways around its drones too if the attackers are smart. A moros fitted out like a big fat nos domi has a shot though.


Soul Reaver
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.08 15:54:00 - [88]
 

Xen

Try to read the whole thread before posting otherwise you will look as stupid as the flamers that have all of a sudden dissapeard :)


Jarjar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2007.05.08 16:11:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Soul Reaver

If anyone had bought this account on Ebay they would NOT know I drive a Silver 550 Maranello in real life :) Darth does as he has seen the picture!!!

Nuff said.


So have I and I can attest to that. Damn nice car, by the way Very Happy

darth solo
Celestial Apocalypse
Posted - 2007.05.08 16:27:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: dalman
Originally by: darth solo
souls not been bought on ebay.

Can't help but notice that you're not saying it's the original owner.

And there's simply no way that the person behind the character now is the same that once was one of the most respected and feared PvPers in EVE.

Alas this thread hurts my eyes and I hope the new owner continue to lose a couple of dreads each day.



souls been in and out of celes apoc most of his eve life and hes the same guy.

when guys whom have been playing since the start come back to eve its like starting again. most havnt seen cap ships. the game changes alot. tactics change, fittings change. most old guys come back and go away and cant be bothered reading up on what the new craze is.

one thing though the eve-o forums have become alot more hatefull.. must put alot of folks of posting.

d solo.


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