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Volyte
Immortalis Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.03 23:59:00 - [1]
 

Its been posted before, Im sure. But, I wanted to start a fresh topic about it, because its interesting to see what the community thinks =] The question is simple:

How long do you think EVE has left? With upcoming titles later this year, does EVE stand a shot? Lifespan: long or short (include months/years).



To answer my own question, I think EVE will continue its current course for at least 3 more years.

Blind Man
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2007.05.04 00:04:00 - [2]
 

eve will last a long time I think, I'd say 5-7 years and then they make a sequel or something Laughing

the new graphics engine, heat, factional warfare, walking in stations, should give it a lot of uberness against any mmo that may challenge it Cool

sableye
principle of motion
Posted - 2007.05.04 00:14:00 - [3]
 

theres alot of players even if they did'nt play would just pay to keep training there characters

Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2007.05.04 00:35:00 - [4]
 

How rev. 2 turns out will determine this imo.

If it's as good as it's supposed to be, eve has a long future.

Bernehbum
Republic Military School
Posted - 2007.05.04 00:50:00 - [5]
 

If things continue the way they are 12-18 months

Krxon Blade
Posted - 2007.05.04 00:53:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Volyte

How long do you think EVE has left? With upcoming titles later this year, does EVE stand a shot? Lifespan: long or short (include months/years).



IMHO, as long as it evolves, future is secured.
CPP should keep hiring fresh ideamakers in order to stay in race with other games.

Future of EVE?
All of us, non stop connected with wireless cortex connectors plugged into massive cluster obey.., pay..., train..., fight..., yarr!!!

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2007.05.04 01:12:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Krxon Blade
Originally by: Volyte

How long do you think EVE has left? With upcoming titles later this year, does EVE stand a shot? Lifespan: long or short (include months/years).



IMHO, as long as it evolves, future is secured.
CPP should keep hiring fresh ideamakers in order to stay in race with other games.

Future of EVE?
All of us, non stop connected with wireless cortex connectors plugged into massive cluster obey.., pay..., train..., fight..., yarr!!!



Not sure about the part of fresh idea makers. The thing with fresh ideamakers are they tend to make new ideas - which can conflict with the red thread EVE should and do have.

New ideas are not allways great. They need to be new ideas following the tradition, spirit and the all-red thread that followed this game since the very beginning. That is why I think recruiting new people for EVE is done best from the playerbase, since they allready have a strong opinion and experience about the game, they are now set to develop. Fresh idea makers have a tendency to go their own way - stake their own fortune - so to say. And that can create conflicts with the playerbase. And that is not good.


Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
Posted - 2007.05.04 01:32:00 - [8]
 

As a game, Eve could really exist prettty much forever assuming CCP keeps releasing patches. Theres really no point in doing a sequel as long as the patches keep coming, in fact you could say were already in Eve 2.0 with Exodus, and Eve 3.0 will come wtih the promised client/graphics overhaul and from there, ???.

As the leading scifi MMOG, well who knows its all dependent on whether a developer is willing to make something other than yet another knights and wizards RPG, and if so whether CCP is capable of competing (hasnt gotten complacent). Probably at least 2-3 years before someone does, though.

SumDum
AirHawk Alliance
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
Posted - 2007.05.04 01:57:00 - [9]
 

I think 2-3 months after ambulation would be a better time to get a reading on this, but as it stands now I think this game has at least 5-7 years left in it. That is assuming at least one client/graphics engine upgrade which I am assuming we are getting with or around the time of ambulation.

I have seen a high turnover of people this year though, some of it caused by the dev scandal, some of it caused by this ongoing "war" in 0.0. It will be interesting to see what the next 6-9 months brings. At that time I would think we would probably be able to see the longevity of Eve a little better.

SiJira
Posted - 2007.05.04 02:08:00 - [10]
 

i dont know what you mean by having a shot

do you mean until it shuts down ?

it wont shut down ever - it will always have its support base because its so unique no matter how many small changes morph it

if you mean when will its playerbase begin to stop rising and level off - that depends on how many mistakes are made by CCP and how unique the new MMO's are

if the new MMO's are just WoW cookie cutters then they will actually HELP bring players to eve



mastamike69
Damage Unlimited Inc
Posted - 2007.05.04 05:42:00 - [11]
 

EVE NEVER FADES

Krxon Blade
Posted - 2007.05.04 10:39:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: mastamike69
EVE NEVER FADES


Except once per day.

ry ry
Heroes.
Merciless.
Posted - 2007.05.04 10:44:00 - [13]
 

3, possibly 4, years.

Thorgen
Posted - 2007.05.04 10:47:00 - [14]
 

Walking in stations is going to attract alot of new people. It may seem like a minor thing to alot of you, but people want to see their avatars and interact, not just sit in a spaceship in huge space.

Zilkin
Amarr
Posted - 2007.05.04 11:03:00 - [15]
 

I think at least 5 years is pretty safe guess, could last lot longer too depending on this develop.

Vactet
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2007.05.04 11:15:00 - [16]
 

Depends...
In its current form? (This includes rev 2.0) eh..2 years.
But i figure at that 2year mark something odd will happen...pheonix effect.

Basically in 2 years there will need to be a full redo of the game. Just to get everything up to spec. No more of this patching to stay with it. I figure eventually they will take the concepts and principles and create a new game. Of course, characters from the current game will be brought over.

I guess what im saying is...
EVE will live for all time
But its gonna shed its skin sooner or later and show its new hide.
Rev 2.0 is gonna be one of the shedding of the dead skin.
Who knows whats next

Karunel
Princeps Corp
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.05.04 11:19:00 - [17]
 

5+ more years if the "Bigger and Bigger" design is overhauled and fixed.

12 months if it isn't.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2007.05.04 11:40:00 - [18]
 

imo eve will die when the playerbase leaves - in other words when the cost for running it exceeds the revenue, that is the day it closes, even if ccp decides not to continue developt the game it still has some time left before everyone leaves

Lana Rose
Posted - 2007.05.04 11:52:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Thorgen
Walking in stations is going to attract alot of new people. It may seem like a minor thing to alot of you, but people want to see their avatars and interact, not just sit in a spaceship in huge space.

A bit of interaction beyond local chat, which is usually 'where do I go for X', is more than welcome. I'd love to have my avatar sitting in a shady corner of a space station bar, making deals and organizing battles.

Plutoinum
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis
Posted - 2007.05.04 12:03:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Plutoinum on 04/05/2007 12:01:34
Tell me what the upcoming titles are and what they offer.

Although there are so many mmorpgs, there is nothing that's comparable to eve.

A wow-like game can't harm EVE anymore.
Maybe a similar space game could, or personally another real pvp focussed mmorpg with depth could draw me away, but the majority of players will stay in EVE.
At least if the devs don't screw it up or there comes a new game that's like EVE, just better.

Ok, you want a date. I say EVE lives for another 4-5 years minimum.

TheDeceit
Minmatar
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
Blade.
Posted - 2007.05.04 12:06:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Krxon Blade
Originally by: mastamike69
EVE NEVER FADES


Except once per day.

lol


Once the new graphics come out and they start showing that off, EVE will have more players than ever.

Calprimus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2007.05.04 12:07:00 - [22]
 

EVE doesn't have real competition at the moment.

When another solid SCI-FI MMORPG is in the market we could talk.

ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
Posted - 2007.05.04 13:01:00 - [23]
 

I'd say perhaps 1-2 years after ccp releases its first joint venture mmo with ww, a ww mmo is going to have a far greater player base than eve ever will so will be more commercially viable to focus on that rather than eve at the time EVE will just slowly fall into decline. But of course this could quite easily be offset against the fact eve will evolve within the next few years, we're going to have ambulation (seems that eve is been used as a proving ground for certain technologies that are going to be primarily used else where) and we're also likely to have planets with a year or two after that, unless someone comes up with a decent competive game that has the same aspects eve will sit in a niche market

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.05.04 13:53:00 - [24]
 

I think it will last until a game comes out just like it, but without any bugs and less lag. I know of nothing coming out this year that will hurt Eve. Pirates of the Burning Seas sucks horribly. I am in beta I know this for a fact.

Gone'Postal
Roast and Toast Inc.
Posted - 2007.05.04 14:01:00 - [25]
 

3-4 years or until the devs die from beer abuse.

Mogrin
Spartan Fleet Systems
Posted - 2007.05.04 14:23:00 - [26]
 

I predict that eve will retain its veterans for a very long time, and will not see many (if any) new players stay long-term pretty soon.

EvE is approaching that point that EQ did after 123412342341234 expansions and 999 levels. It theres only so much time a new player is willing to dedicate before being caught up with others.

I also think that the veterans and CCP alike will be perfectly content with this until they realize that the only ones left are the ones with huge skillpoints and the number continues to drop as players get bored.

Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.05.04 14:35:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Calprimus
EVE doesn't have real competition at the moment.

When another solid SCI-FI MMORPG is in the market we could talk.


Rumor has it there's a Firefly MMO on the horizon. I cried on the outside when Sierra shelved the Babylon 5 MMO...

Star Trek Online might bleed EVE of some of its carebear population, now that they've dumped the play the crew model for a POTBS, play the ship, model.

B Bear
Posted - 2007.05.04 14:40:00 - [28]
 

Mogrin makes a good point. I don't think EvE is going to keep getting new players for much longer. Myself like many newbies often wonder why bother playing when we're so far behind in terms of SP and assests and will never catch up. Apparently it takes at least a year for a new character to have a chance at pvp. Many (perhaps myself included) will play a newer MMO instead of having to compete against against uber vets with 30mill+ skill points.

Faye Valerii
Caldari
Exeunt Omnes
Posted - 2007.05.04 14:50:00 - [29]
 

I think EVE has the potential to run for at least another 10 years ... As some posters have pointed out, we're already at EVE 2.0, and with the DX10 engine and new art, the game will be completely up to date once again.

EVE, with its lack of player levels, also avoids the trap most MMO's fall into. There is no endgame, and no push to constantly make characters more powerful and destructive. When WoW gets an expansion, the designers pretty much have to add tons of more powerful gear, and more levels and spells etc, which constantly trivializes the previous content. That means that traditional mmo's are only about the new levels added in the latest expansion pack. You lose everything before it, and everything you have now will be rendered trivial by the next expansion.

EVE expansions are, at the core, about enabling you to do more things in the world. They expand the world itself. They trivialize nothing. A tackler frig in Rev 2.0 will still be just as useful as it was two years ago, etc ...

And that's why, as long as the tech keeps up, EVE could keep on running forever.

Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.05.04 14:51:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Janu Hull on 04/05/2007 14:52:05
Originally by: B Bear
Mogrin makes a good point. I don't think EvE is going to keep getting new players for much longer. Myself like many newbies often wonder why bother playing when we're so far behind in terms of SP and assests and will never catch up. Apparently it takes at least a year for a new character to have a chance at pvp. Many (perhaps myself included) will play a newer MMO instead of having to compete against against uber vets with 30mill+ skill points.


Diminishing returns. Think about it. Look at the progressively longer time it takes to learn higher level skills. I'm at 4.5 million roughly, with about six or seven skills at V, and almost 90 skills trained. A few players I've talked to at the 30+ million SP mark only have about 160 skills trained. Once you're well into the grind, you've got LOTS of SP, but you're constantly losing ground to people coming up behind you. Each new skill takes progressively longer to train, so while by the pure skill point numbers, you've got this apparent vast lead, in terms of actual skills learned, its not quite as much of a lead as you think.


As far as your belief that you need a year to prepare for PvP, you're nuts. A year to compete in the player empires? Maybe. A year to raise hell in lowsec? Nah, not even. Three months maybe, targeting specific pieces of equipment, but nothing like a year.


 

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