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Arden Jacobs
Posted - 2007.04.24 11:42:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Curzon Dax
Originally by: DiuxDium
Edited by: DiuxDium on 24/04/2007 02:08:50
Originally by: Phoenix Lord
Looking forward to the fun.

You know, you guys could just come to 0.0 to find us instead of wasting money.


Or they can fight where they want and use their 15USD a month in a way they deem fit? Who exactly are you to dictate anyones game play? Just another carebear crying because you got ganked in Jita. Nerfing war-decs is going to cost CCP a lot of accounts. For most of the corps in Priv it was the last bastion of fun PvP.


You sir, are sorely mistaken. Presuming that "bastion of fun" SOLELY includes station camping haulers in highsec, then you truly have no grasp of PvP. You needn't even whine that fleet battles in 0.0 are too laggy to be fun, or that lowsec is too empty to pirate for fun. You've taken what pirates do in lowsec, and done it in highsec.

There's an alternative, and its fun. Click my signature and fight like a man. =)


Pfft, battleships are for noobs, command ships FTW.

SiJira
Posted - 2007.04.24 12:49:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: ShardowRhino
Originally by: DiuxDium
Edited by: DiuxDium on 24/04/2007 02:08:50
Originally by: Phoenix Lord
Looking forward to the fun.

You know, you guys could just come to 0.0 to find us instead of wasting money.


Or they can fight where they want and use their 15USD a month in a way they deem fit? Who exactly are you to dictate anyones game play? Just another carebear crying because you got ganked in Jita. Nerfing war-decs is going to cost CCP a lot of accounts. For most of the corps in Priv it was the last bastion of fun PvP.


HAHHAA, hold up, did you read the post that your quoting? The guy said to just go out to 0.0 and find them. Yet you called him a carebear that was ganked in Jita.

As for those that leave a game over small changes,all i have to say is ,"who cares?". Generally those that leave a game because of a small change which is unlikely to affect 99% of the population in ,much less in a negative way, are leaving because they have chosen to take that as their "reason". They are looking for something small to cry about and attempt to make it look huge, at least big enough of a reason to justify leaving the game. What is ignored is the fact that 99.99% of those people are in fact leaving for other reason which have been going on for some time prior to the announcement they claim is "the last straw"for them.

True story...Very Happy


QFT

Sydonis
Posted - 2007.04.24 13:04:00 - [33]
 

On the flip side... who are YOU to force PVP on half the corps in the game, including alliance logistics personnel relocating within empire? They pay their 15 USD too...

You guys rarely bother me and when you do, it's usually on the forums. Usually you guys make me chuckle at the number of corps leaving your number to avoid war decs they don't want to face... personally, I think that corps leaving an alliance should remain war decced until the bill comes up next - that would make leaving an alliance like the Privateers a little more risky during wartimes... 1 day is a very short time and something they seem to exploit all the time, allowing their corps to rest up and resupply regularly.

If you want me, you know where Querious is... assuming I've not been asked to relocate elsewhere by then...

And FYI empire wars are more annoying than threatening.

Harisdrop
Gallente
Vindicate and Deliverance
Posted - 2007.04.24 13:10:00 - [34]
 

I see more players will be leaving NPC corps now!!!

I hope Revelations 2.0 does the trick.

iinlin
Amarr
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.04.24 13:19:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Noraja
...

Waste your money Privateers, that helps to deflate... Laughing



The fact that you think its a 'waste' really says it all...

minkow chi
Posted - 2007.04.24 13:20:00 - [36]
 

All I have to say is you all are a joke. This is a freakin game. Its to have fun. If someone wants to camp your carebear A$$ then so be it. Dont go that way anymore. Your just mad you got popped like the little girl you are. And as for the 0.0 people who say "Come to 0.0 if you really want to pvp"! Pfft!! We all know thats a joke!!! Just as hard in empire if not harder. No bubbles to do all the work for ya!!

The funny thing is about all this is all ccp did was make it worse in empire IMO. When (and they will) Priva falls its going to spawn off little griefing corps and all you whinny carebears are just going to get decd again. Cry all you want and praise ccp for saving your butts (for the time being) but we will hear from you again Im sure of it. People in Priva want to pvp and they will find a way to do it.

Sexy Schoolgirl
Posted - 2007.04.24 13:36:00 - [37]
 

Big deal, let them waste their fricken money for cheap thrills. 90% of the war decs are alliances in 0.0 that run alts thru Empire, not because of PA, but because of their own wars. PA just likes to pretend they are making an impact, but they are not... PA is too chicken tendered to head out to 0.0, and they sure can't live off nub kills... they almost never post their kill losses... they thrive on things like this. They want to be talked about, they want to be heard, they want attention. Let them be and they'll soon get broke and bored and fade away like an old pair of run down sneakers.

Drake Heartbreaker
Posted - 2007.04.24 13:37:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Drake Heartbreaker on 24/04/2007 13:46:17
Edited by: Drake Heartbreaker on 24/04/2007 13:40:35
Edited by: Drake Heartbreaker on 24/04/2007 13:39:04
Edited by: Drake Heartbreaker on 24/04/2007 13:35:43
Fact of the matter is Eve is a game with a PvP element - and that includes non-consensual PvP. That's fine, that's part of the deal. The problem is when an Alliance uses a large pool of resources to abuse the spirit of the system, if not the letter of the system.

Generally speaking, if you're in high sec space, you're supposed to be safe. The spirit of wardecs isn't about casually declaring war just to give people in Empire space who want to blow up badgers something to do. It certainly isn't something that small alliances that haven't bothered anyone and don't even have their footprint in zero sec should have to deal with on a weekly basis.

The problem is that the Privateer's Alliance is an alliance of bottom-feeders. I'm not a pirate, but I give real pirates far more respect than I do any member of PA. Real Pirates (real PvPers)work for their money, and they have to deal with the consequences inherent to their lifestyle. More power to 'em.

I've been in countless battles with PA, never lost a ship, and harvested many a PA soul. They haven't cost me any ISK. What they ARE, though, is an annoyance. I've had to do all my Empire business on an alt, which is fine, but it defeats the purpose of Empire space.

If you're at war, generally speaking, there should be a reason for it. A reason greater than being in a small alliance that've caught the attention of PA, who are no better than a group of thugs roaming around Afghanistan in technicals with AK-47s looking for a UN supply truck to rob.


Monica Foulkes
Veto Corp
Posted - 2007.04.24 13:53:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Drake Heartbreaker
If you're at war, generally speaking, there should be a reason for it.

We do it because it is fun to have plenty of targets to fight and still not get blobbed to death.

And 0.0 alliances should be happy that we do you a favour. Just imagine how many more players you would have running missions in empire instead of fighting your big glorious alliance wars if we didn't hunt them. ugh

Miss Anthropy
Perkone
Posted - 2007.04.24 13:55:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Miss Anthropy on 24/04/2007 13:51:14
My guess is that the Privateer Alliance will evolve over time into a merc style alliance. They won't be able to afford as many wars so if they want to survive then perhaps hiring themselves out and focusing on a smaller number of wars is probably the way to go.

GimmeeThat
Posted - 2007.04.24 14:10:00 - [41]
 

spend all your isk privs lol spend it all!!!

you loose Laughing




Amarre Amarrian
Posted - 2007.04.24 14:18:00 - [42]
 

Quote:
The funny thing is about all this is all ccp did was make it worse in empire IMO. When (and they will) Priva falls its going to spawn off little griefing corps and all you whinny carebears are just going to get decd again. Cry all you want and praise ccp for saving your butts (for the time being) but we will hear from you again Im sure of it. People in Priva want to pvp and they will find a way to do it.


You guys just dont get it, as much as you want to enjoy your 15 $ a month by massive
pew pew operations , others having a kick by doing PVE or trade&industrial .
you have plenty of options for PVP ,this is not your only option ...
war decking peeps in high sec ,peeps that are not interested to fight ,is the bottom of the barrel ,and i wouldnt consider it real PVP anyway.

the situation right now as i see it, cant last for long, if CCP want new players that will join and stay, they need to nerf war decks in high sec , what we got these days, and as it was stated in various posts recently on these forums ,this is going to get much worse very soon, is a bunch of experienced PVP'rs,
war decking corps , that specialize in industry and cant fight at all ,
or noob corps,that as much as they would like to fight,they just cant cut it against 2 years old players, who are just looking for easy targets,i dont know if its a new thing or old thing, but its just plain wrong,its an abuse of the war deck system ,add to that the lower cost of war decking other corp ,and you got a recipe for catastrophe .
i believe the current wardecks system should work well if peeps would have use it right ,however thats not the case , all those pirate corps that bulling other small and less experienced corps , like we are having these days ,that is
wrong use of the system , a one that was made for easy targets, while ignoring
the more serious aspects of PVP .
so yes the BIG whining will begin soon ,i can see it coming , and if these bullies wont get this into your thick skulls ,i expect CCP to nerf war decks completely in higher sec areas (1.0 to 0.8 maybe ? ) . cause its impossible to advance anywhere in this game , if you are getting war decked 3 days after u joined the game,all it would lead is to new players leave, and to tell you the truth i rather the carebares and the noobs on you scams of the space .

Exlegion
Caldari
Salva Veritate
Posted - 2007.04.24 14:27:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Exlegion on 24/04/2007 19:36:21
Edited by: Exlegion on 24/04/2007 14:29:48
Originally by: minkow chi
This is a freakin game.

and
Originally by: minkow chi
Your just mad you got popped like the little girl you are.


For someone that professes 'this is only a game', you seem to take it a little too seriously yourself.

Take my word on this:

Popping someone on a video game does not determine the size of your balls, your gender, sexual orientation, nor intelligence.


Princess Jodi
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.04.24 16:53:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Princess Jodi on 24/04/2007 16:51:10
'Nerfing war-decs is going to cost CCP a lot of accounts. For most of the corps in Priv it was the last bastion of fun PvP.'

This statement is the most encouraging thing in this post! The idiot actually thinks that MORE accounts will be lost due to this War Dec nerf than are lost due to the griefing tactics of the Privateers!

Man, I've been reading fourms for years, and I have NEVER heard a more whiny, spineless, immature, CAREBEAR attitude that the ones being expressed by the Privateers!

'Whahh! I wanna kill people who don't want to fight, and you're stopping me from having fun! Wahhhh! I'm gonna quit if you don't let me have my way!'

God...I gotta quit laughing and smiling so much...besides my face hurting from such a large grin, I can't type while I'm laughing so hard!

See you PrivateRears in another game! It sounds like Hello Kitty Island Adventure is more suited to your Bravery, Imagination and Determination than EVE is.

and NO - I don't want your stuff. Its too tainted by all the accounts that HAVE been cancelled cuz the poor noob couldn't play EVE so that you could 'have fun.'

Yldraeth
Amarr
Kitty Punching Company
Posted - 2007.04.24 17:42:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Noraja
Take my word on this:

Popping someone on a video game does not determine the size of you balls, your gender, sexual orientation, nor intelligence.


QFT

Kahrek Laume
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2007.04.24 18:27:00 - [46]
 

You know what i find funny, EVE was never meant to be a carebearish game was never marketed as such and is widely known as a harsh MMO that requires a little something different to play, PVE is part of the game sure enough but it was never implied that PVE was going to be risk free or PVP free even.

Enter the carebears into this well established PVP culture, akin to 5 year old children crying to their mothers that the other kids don't want to play the game their way 'Wahhh wahhh PA is being mean, make it so they can't be mean' 'Wahhh wahhh your corp decced my carebear corp' 'wahhhhh why did you blow up my domi i don't do PVP' Personaly i respect PA for really trying to play the game their way and all in all toatly relavent to the way EVE was always meant to be, a harsh game requiring a different mentality than most other MMO games out there and a game where carving out your place in the universe requires more than killing countless mobs over and over and farming 30 rat tails for some guy in town, an MMO where you could have a feeling of accomplishment when you acheive your goal because it took blood, sweat and tears (And more often then not allot of ISK)

Personaly i am quite happy each and everytime i see a carebear whine in the local channels about how unfair X Y or Z is or seing someone whine about quitting the game cause their navy raven just got popped. Heck i am never happier than when i have a part to play in those whines, i am defending what EVE is supposed to be. Not everybody is made for this type of PVP or this type of game, nothing wrong with that to be honest, plenty of other games out there, just don't come and pollute mine.

To PA, good luck guys hope you find a way around all this wardec mess, to all the whiners who want to ruin this game because they can't cut it.... See you in your pods (I hope)

Ahhhh venting feels good.

Kahrek Laume.

Drake Heartbreaker
Posted - 2007.04.24 18:29:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Kahrek Laume
You know what i find funny, EVE was never meant to be a carebearish game was never marketed as such and is widely known as a harsh MMO that requires a little something different to play, PVE is part of the game sure enough but it was never implied that PVE was going to be risk free or PVP free even.




So CCP's entire concept of high-sec space is a design flaw then?

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2007.04.24 18:33:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Exlegion
Edited by: Exlegion on 24/04/2007 14:29:48
Originally by: minkow chi
This is a freakin game.

and
Originally by: minkow chi
Your just mad you got popped like the little girl you are.


For someone that professes 'this is only a game', you seem to take it a little too seriously yourself.

Take my word on this:

Popping someone on a video game does not determine the size of you balls, your gender, sexual orientation, nor intelligence.




QFT

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
Posted - 2007.04.24 18:35:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Le Skunk on 24/04/2007 18:31:58
Originally by: Princess Jodi

This statement is the most encouraging thing in this post! The idiot actually thinks that MORE accounts will be lost due to this War Dec nerf than are lost due to the griefing tactics of the Privateers!



Well ive heard it both ways

Privateers are losing accounts: Noobs and Carebears are quitting / not being attracted to the game because they REFUSE to take the easy one click options to avioding pvp... join a noob corp.

Equalibrium For everyone that quits due to the pvp - there is someone who realises how boring this gamereally is (running the same missions 50 times in a row, mining for hours etc) and the enforced pvp which gets their adrenalin flowing for once inspires them to stay in the game and take a pvp orientated outlook

Privateers are gaining accounts Everything in the 'equalibrium section' + people who would have left are staying in the game because of our fresh outlook. People are creating second accounts to train up tranpsort and freighter capable pilots to avoid us.

Only CCP will know - and i suspect it would be difficult for them to put their finger on tbh.

So dont go calling somone an Idiot because hes thought through the ramifications of something rather then jumping to the obvious - It makes yo ulook ignorant


To the OP. Its intended as a player driven galactic event. Yes we know its a final week - but stop gloating man - we all accept this.

It the COAD post we got many 'enemies' past and present taking it with good grace and wishing us luck. The games changed. Lets move on. You can stop his hysterical posts now :)

Few point to the other posters. Though i dont know why i bother as people see Privateer in the title - dont read any of the posts - Rant hysterically then never come back to read the thread:

Originally by: Sydonis
personally, I think that corps leaving an alliance should remain war decced until the bill comes up next - that would make leaving an alliance like the Privateers a little more risky during wartimes... 1 day is a very short time and something they seem to exploit all the time, allowing their corps to rest up and resupply regularly.


Yeah The privateer alliance has said from day one that this would be a great idea AS LONG AS IT APPLIED TO ALL THE CRAVEN alliance dumpers who immediatly flee their alliance upon recieing our wardec. Your alliances are unwilling to protect them - so they dump your alliances and sit out the war in corps. Then they rejoin again after the war. You only see your email baox with corps who leave us. You probably dont notice the corps sneaking out of your alliance. We do however - and i delete multilple concord posts every dec.

Oh and nice sig banner.

SKUNK






Kahrek Laume
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2007.04.24 18:35:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Drake Heartbreaker
Originally by: Kahrek Laume
You know what i find funny, EVE was never meant to be a carebearish game was never marketed as such and is widely known as a harsh MMO that requires a little something different to play, PVE is part of the game sure enough but it was never implied that PVE was going to be risk free or PVP free even.




So CCP's entire concept of high-sec space is a design flaw then?


Highsec was never 100% safe, it is just policed and there are rules in place to limit piracy, but like all things in EVE it is not 100% secure, the concept is that high-sec is more secure than lowsec.

Pirates (-5.0 or lower) cannot enter, if you attack a player you are not at war with then Concord will exact their pound of flesh, if you can still kill your target great but you know you will lose your ship as a consequence, because an area is policed does not mean it is crime free. The concept of high security is perfectly fine, it is just not total security.

Sidster
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
Posted - 2007.04.24 18:39:00 - [51]
 

The war dec nerf really has brought out some of the most ******ed arguments from both sides ...

Drake Heartbreaker
Posted - 2007.04.24 18:43:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Kahrek Laume
The concept of high security is perfectly fine, it is just not total security.



Sure it's not total security - people can do kamakazi runs and hope they pop their target before they get Concorded. Point being, while not 100% safe, high sec is meant to be virtually completely safe. It's the intention and spirit that CCP set out with - otherwise why have it at all.

CCP wouldn't be making wardec changes if the current system wasn't being abused from its original intent, pure and simple. Eve is a game that spans a playerbase from carebares to casual PvPers, to dedicated pirates, to full-on sociopaths, and it was meant to have something to offer each of those types. Privateer's Alliance is a perversion and corruption of that spirit, hence CCP is taking action.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2007.04.24 19:17:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Drake Heartbreaker

Sure it's not total security - people can do kamakazi runs and hope they pop their target before they get Concorded. Point being, while not 100% safe, high sec is meant to be virtually completely safe. It's the intention and spirit that CCP set out with - otherwise why have it at all.


By the same token, why have wars at all if you aren't supposed to use them in high sec? I mean, that's the only level of security in which you really need to wardec anyone in order to wage war. Highsec wars are (now) working as intended.

Originally by: Drake Heartbreaker

CCP wouldn't be making wardec changes if the current system wasn't being abused from its original intent, pure and simple.


According to CCP, they have corrected a mistake (one that has been in the game since... forever) by making wardec fees scalable. According to them, it was supposed to be like it is now, after the patch, all along. Of course, the torrent of whines about the Privateers probably hurried up the process.

Originally by: Drake Heartbreaker

Eve is a game that spans a playerbase from carebares to casual PvPers, to dedicated pirates, to full-on sociopaths, and it was meant to have something to offer each of those types. Privateer's Alliance is a perversion and corruption of that spirit, hence CCP is taking action.



Not really, no. Privateers used the war system in a way that hadn't been done before. That apparently gave CCP a look at how the system worked, and have now changed it to work in the manner in which it was intended. Privateers are not a corruption or perversion of the spirit of EvE. They embody the spirit of the game perfectly. A bunch of people playing for fun, using every part of the game play. The success of the Privateers is easily measured by the amount of whines by the likes of you.

Now CCP has changed the game. Privateers will adapt and you won't. In a short time you'll be back here, whining for another nerf. Hopefully CCP will cover their ears that time.

/Ki

Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.04.24 19:30:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Callthetruth
well they might split into 2 groups of focus on the largest alliacnes and stop taking 50m jobs


Rofl. They will focus on industrial corps and small weak noob corps.

Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.04.24 19:36:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Le Skunk



Privateers are losing accounts: Noobs and Carebears are quitting / not being attracted to the game because they REFUSE to take the easy one click options to avioding pvp... join a noob corp.



CCP wants people OUT of noob corps.

Quote:
Equalibrium For everyone that quits due to the pvp - there is someone who realises how boring this gamereally is (running the same missions 50 times in a row, mining for hours etc) and the enforced pvp which gets their adrenalin flowing for once inspires them to stay in the game and take a pvp orientated outlook


I love PvP, but I also don't want it 23/7 everytime I play the game.

Quote:
Privateers are gaining accounts Everything in the 'equalibrium section' + people who would have left are staying in the game because of our fresh outlook. People are creating second accounts to train up tranpsort and freighter capable pilots to avoid us.


Right, which shouldn't even be needed. Alliances do this anyway, so if you're saying that more are doing it than it's the smaller corps that you're going after.

Quote:
Only CCP will know - and i suspect it would be difficult for them to put their finger on tbh.

So dont go calling somone an Idiot because hes thought through the ramifications of something rather then jumping to the obvious - It makes yo ulook ignorant


However you never considered the ramifications of declaring war on 30,000 accounts.


Quote:

It the COAD post we got many 'enemies' past and present taking it with good grace and wishing us luck. The games changed. Lets move on. You can stop his hysterical posts now :)



exactly.








Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Posted - 2007.04.24 19:40:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Ki An

According to CCP, they have corrected a mistake (one that has been in the game since... forever) by making wardec fees scalable. According to them, it was supposed to be like it is now, after the patch, all along. Of course, the torrent of whines about the Privateers probably hurried up the process.



Whines hurried the process? As far as I know, prepatch war decs system was a broken game mechanic. Non-PvPers' whines hurried the process as slow as griefers whining on how expensive T2 ships and equipment were. See what has happened? The T2 market is now broken i.e. items are now too cheap.

War decs are still cheap postpatch only you can't abuse mass war decs.

/JS

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2007.04.24 19:48:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Ki An on 24/04/2007 19:45:15
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

Whines hurried the process? As far as I know, prepatch war decs system was a broken game mechanic.


Broken, as in, working as intended except for the scalable wardec fees. They are now in. Now the wardec system is perfect. Much like I said in my previous post.

Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

Non-PvPers' whines hurried the process as slow as griefers whining on how expensive T2 ships and equipment were. See what has happened? The T2 market is now broken i.e. items are now too cheap.


Invention putting a damper on your T2 BPO income? Poor you.

/Ki



Tommyboy12
Posted - 2007.04.24 19:50:00 - [58]
 

TBH since the war dec prices have gone up like they have and they arent paying next to nothing for a war, Privateers should be able to do what they want, its their game too. The problem i always had before hand with them was that the war decs were so cheap


DISCLAMER: These are my personal views and do not reflect the views of my alliance and corp

Haxa
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2007.04.24 19:52:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Tommyboy12
TBH since the war dec prices have gone up like they have and they arent paying next to nothing for a war, Privateers should be able to do what they want, its their game too. The problem i always had before hand with them was that the war decs were so cheap


DISCLAMER: These are my personal views and do not reflect the views of my alliance and corp


This is me btw, damn bugs on the fourms, keeps putting the wrong default character on

Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
Posted - 2007.04.24 20:03:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn
Originally by: Callthetruth
well they might split into 2 groups of focus on the largest alliacnes and stop taking 50m jobs


Rofl. They will focus on industrial corps and small weak noob corps.

Could I trouble you for this weeks national lottery numbers, please.

I only ask cause you seem to be blessed with the power of foresight, cause as far as I know we have not decided on our strategy yet.


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