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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.04.17 16:21:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2007 05:28:19
29-second sample of a 1080p Blu-Ray video (right click, save as).

CoolCoolCoolCoolCoolCoolCool

The good news: the entire movie is only 3.7GB or so if encoded in near-HD-DVD-quality H.264.

The bad news: you need an absolutely state-of-the-art machine to even consider playing it back without stuttering Laughing

That's why my sample is encoded in WMV9 by the way rather than the original transcoded H.264 Laughing

Either way, 1080p is amazing and made of win.

Vari
Carbide Industries
Posted - 2007.04.17 17:06:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Vari on 17/04/2007 17:06:57

Your school's not gunna like your bandwidth usage.

For those of us with older computers, there's a H.264 decoder called CoreAVC that's fast and quality. The pro version uses both the CPU and graphics card to spit out the video. On a AMD Barton 2500+ I can play 1080p H.264's just fine. I say my shortlist of material worth the HD (and money) is Matrix 1, Pulp Fiction, GITS2, Karas and Casshern. Of course the latter two aren't out yet, but I'll be getting them when they are.

Smoke looks good, skin is riddled with textures. The video is sharp. 1080p is the future. Buy a $2000 tv today!

HD movies are nearly at the limits of 35mm film. You will be seeing grain

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.04.17 19:09:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Vari
Your school's not gunna like your bandwidth usage.

They have a nearly-unused dedicated DS3. They don't care unless I spam their logs, which is why they made me move my sigs Laughing
Originally by: Vari

For those of us with older computers, there's a H.264 decoder called CoreAVC that's fast and quality. The pro version uses both the CPU and graphics card to spit out the video. On a AMD Barton 2500+ I can play 1080p H.264's just fine. I say my shortlist of material worth the HD (and money) is Matrix 1, Pulp Fiction, GITS2, Karas and Casshern. Of course the latter two aren't out yet, but I'll be getting them when they are.


CoreAVC is great, and is in my upcoming Video Decoding guide, but it does not use the GPU. That is an upcoming feature which is planned, but does not even have a date yet.

It gets its performance by sacrificing accuracy; it is not output-equivalent to the reference decoder, and so is not technically a valid H.264 decoder, but it is very good nonetheless. I cannot watch the video I mentioned in the original post without CoreAVC.
Originally by: Vari

Smoke looks good, skin is riddled with textures. The video is sharp. 1080p is the future. Buy a $2000 tv today!


Or a 200 dollar monitor ;)
Originally by: Vari

HD movies are nearly at the limits of 35mm film. You will be seeing grain


In my experience most of the grain is from the crappy encoding. Apparently all the new Blu-Ray discs are using MPEG-2 video encoding to start, even though the standard supports VC-1 (WMV9) and H.264. I heard its because Sony hasn't provided them with anything else yet. MPEG-2 is a very noisy codec, which is responsible for that.


Matsuo Masato
Minmatar
Blood Corsairs
Posted - 2007.04.17 19:31:00 - [4]
 

It didn't look THAT amazing too me... but maybe that's because of my crappy screen...

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.04.17 19:42:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/04/2007 19:38:55
Originally by: Matsuo Masato
It didn't look THAT amazing too me... but maybe that's because of my crappy screen...

Its also not directly encoded from the Blu-Ray disc, so there's a bit of transcoding lossiness. And as I said before, they're using MPEG-2 on the discs (extraordinarily stupid) so its not as good as it could be.

To really enjoy it at full quality you have to have at least a 1900 or so horizontal resolution on your screen Shocked

4rc4ng3L
Gallente
C R Y O
Posted - 2007.04.17 19:52:00 - [6]
 

Shocked Thats looks insane.... wished everything looked that good!

Koston Ilias
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2007.04.18 01:34:00 - [7]
 

Looked pretty sweet to me. I need to get a new screen as well. I have a sweet 8800GTS and a 5-6 year old LCD monitor.

SI RedLeg
Amarr
Black Plague.
Posted - 2007.04.18 01:44:00 - [8]
 

What is the movie? The short clip does not give much away....Cool animation thoughSmile

Dalanoria
Northern Intelligence
Veritas Immortalis
Posted - 2007.04.18 01:45:00 - [9]
 

yah it looked amazing to me.....You can cheat and play this at a slower speed, you will only notice the sound slow down, not the video...

Seriously, I wish I was my own grandchild Shocked that way i could live to CRAP my pants at what we can expect in the next 50 yrs and not yawn while remenising about how Back To The Future was THE BESTEST movie ever...

Benco97
Gallente
Terraprobe Dynamics
Posted - 2007.04.18 02:01:00 - [10]
 

To be honest.. I don't see the point.
But that's just me, sorry.

Vari
Carbide Industries
Posted - 2007.04.18 03:27:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Benco97
To be honest.. I don't see the point.
But that's just me, sorry.

In short, the 35mm gives a lot of detail that DVDs cannot capture. You miss emotional nuances, tons and tons of detail in the movie set (you can clearly see a styrofoam texture on 'marble' in the lobby scene of Matrix 1) and many things that movie directors put in their movies for the big-screen format.

Not all movies benefit from the HD formats, but some definitely do. It's like spending a day with your glasses off.

Originally by: SI RedLeg
What is the movie? The short clip does not give much away....Cool animation thoughSmile
It's Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence. The backdrops in that movie are amazing.

ISD Serathu


ISD Interstellar Correspondents
Posted - 2007.04.18 03:54:00 - [12]
 

*huggles his 1080p TV*

Now if only I could afford a player and all the films I liked were cheap and on the same format Crying or Very sad

Still, exciting stuff.

Kaemonn


ISD YARR
Posted - 2007.04.18 04:03:00 - [13]
 

Oh thats pretty. The best part is my computer played it back flawlessly Shocked

SI RedLeg
Amarr
Black Plague.
Posted - 2007.04.18 04:18:00 - [14]
 

Check out in slow mooootion the guy getting shot in the end.....It's a big splat!

Kodiak31415
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.04.18 05:22:00 - [15]
 

Heh......I've seen this used as an example clip before (it was for a subwoofer demo then)

Anyone know how much a 50 foot DVI cable costs? I need to get high res stuff like this out to our TV.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.04.18 05:27:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2007 05:31:15
Originally by: Kaemonn
Oh thats pretty. The best part is my computer played it back flawlessly Shocked

That's normal. Its only WMV9.

If I copied the H.264 stream from the original transcoded video, it would not play it fine Laughing.

I can play it fine but at about 65-80% CPU usage on a Core 2 Duo 2Ghz, using the latest version of CoreAVC.

I'm encoding a separate H.264 clip overnight; I'll post it when I wake up. It probably won't run fine on your computer Razz

Tekka
Caldari
Sneaky Beaver
Posted - 2007.04.18 05:55:00 - [17]
 

That looked pretty awesome on my 1680x1050 laptop.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.04.18 10:37:00 - [18]
 

H.264 encode of a relatively low-motion scene, similar length, same film.

Note that there is a good deal of blocking due to the original encoding, which didn't seem to give enough bits to this scene (which probably requires at least 5-6Mbits to look good).

Admiral Pieg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.04.18 10:49:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Tekka
That looked pretty awesome on my 1680x1050 laptop.


mine too :o

captian jackharkness
Posted - 2007.04.18 11:36:00 - [20]
 

Probably the best film to show in HD looks stunning enough on normal DVD. If GITS is coming out on blue ray only seems im gonna have to get a PS3 Rolling Eyes

Gogar Teltaf
Flying Scotsmen
Posted - 2007.04.18 13:20:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2007 05:28:19
29-second sample of a 1080p Blu-Ray video (right click, save as).


what film is that it looks awsome!

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.04.18 13:39:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Gogar Teltaf
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2007 05:28:19
29-second sample of a 1080p Blu-Ray video (right click, save as).


what film is that it looks awsome!


Its Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence.

Half anime, half CGI, 100% awesome. Though the storyline is a lot more confusing and crappier than all the other Ghost in the Shell films and TV series.

Tekka
Caldari
Sneaky Beaver
Posted - 2007.04.18 15:35:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Gogar Teltaf
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2007 05:28:19
29-second sample of a 1080p Blu-Ray video (right click, save as).


what film is that it looks awsome!


Its Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence.

Half anime, half CGI, 100% awesome. Though the storyline is a lot more confusing and crappier than all the other Ghost in the Shell films and TV series.


Who cares about storyline when it looks cooool!

Kanthras
Gallente
Balsarferskratchin Inc
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2007.04.18 16:47:00 - [24]
 

I find HD massively overrated, tbh.

Sure, it looks slightly sharper/clearer.
But not it's not worth the premium over DVDs, IMO.

Mtthias Clemi
Gallente
The Space Bastards
Posted - 2007.04.18 16:59:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Kanthras
I find HD massively overrated, tbh.

Sure, it looks slightly sharper/clearer.
But not it's not worth the premium over DVDs, IMO.


That logic makes no sense to me.. the way i was raised i suppose..

me and my dad generally go.. OMG SHINEZOR!!! and buy it if it looks cool and is techy... how we ended up with our two 42inch HD tv's :D wireless surround sound speakers!! rarr

not to mention Sky HD full subsrciption! YARRRR!!Very HappyVery HappyVery Happy

niko86
Quantum Industries
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.04.18 20:34:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2007 05:31:15
Originally by: Kaemonn
Oh thats pretty. The best part is my computer played it back flawlessly Shocked

That's normal. Its only WMV9.

If I copied the H.264 stream from the original transcoded video, it would not play it fine Laughing.

I can play it fine but at about 65-80% CPU usage on a Core 2 Duo 2Ghz, using the latest version of CoreAVC.

I'm encoding a separate H.264 clip overnight; I'll post it when I wake up. It probably won't run fine on your computer Razz


Ok i got the CoreAVC thingy installed, i know its a codec or whatever but i notice no difference running it in VLC. Do i need to tell VLC use it or what?

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.04.18 21:00:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: niko86
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2007 05:31:15
Originally by: Kaemonn
Oh thats pretty. The best part is my computer played it back flawlessly Shocked

That's normal. Its only WMV9.

If I copied the H.264 stream from the original transcoded video, it would not play it fine Laughing.

I can play it fine but at about 65-80% CPU usage on a Core 2 Duo 2Ghz, using the latest version of CoreAVC.

I'm encoding a separate H.264 clip overnight; I'll post it when I wake up. It probably won't run fine on your computer Razz


Ok i got the CoreAVC thingy installed, i know its a codec or whatever but i notice no difference running it in VLC. Do i need to tell VLC use it or what?

First of all, the video in the first post is WMV9, not H.264.

Second of all, VLC is codec-independant; it does not use any codecs you have installed on the system and instead uses its own libraries. Because of this it cannot use CoreAVC.

niko86
Quantum Industries
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.04.18 21:17:00 - [28]
 

aye i know the first one is wmv. so what do i use to watch this mkv one? i only got the coreavc codec no player?

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.04.18 21:33:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/04/2007 21:29:31
Originally by: niko86
aye i know the first one is wmv. so what do i use to watch this mkv one? i only got the coreavc codec no player?

Any player works. Download the CCCP, then open the video and double click the FFDShow Video settings icon in the system tray. Turn off the H.264 decoding in the Codecs (from Libavcodec to Disabled). Then CoreAVC should work automatically when you restart the media player.

niko86
Quantum Industries
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.04.18 21:39:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: niko86 on 18/04/2007 21:44:00
Still got stuttering during playback but much better. Im running a core duo E6400 and 2gb of ram so cant be hardware can it?

EDIT: Was still using VLC played on media player perfectly Embarassed


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