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Ifni
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:16:00 - [691]
 

Quote:
[00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans
[00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN

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Pilk
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:16:00 - [692]
 

Originally by: Fubear
Edited by: Fubear on 29/03/2007 22:55:18
Originally by: Nez Perces
The real question is, what was BoB's objective?
To defend the capital ship yard, or inflict as much damage as possible?


I beleive Seleene posted in this thread that they were going to kill EVERY Coalition dread at the POS. Unless the Coalition only had 30 Dreads it sounds like they failed.

The numbers I have been given are 30 Dreads + 10 Carriers lost.
EDIT: Seleenes Cap pilot count is at 45, so adjust my figures accordingly.

Assuming after insurance each ship is a loss of 500Mil, and has a generous 500Mil fitting, that is 40Bil in losses that can be immediately replaced from stockpiles and easily rebuilt over a short timespan.

RKK lost around 50Bil in uninsurable materials as well as a POS+Construction Yard. The loss is not replacable or insurable, it will take another 50Bil and months of logistics to RKK to get back to where tehy were today in regards to the construction.

A Titan on the battlefield can make a huge differance - can someone in BoB tell us what the average ISK destroyed figure for their Titans is over the last 8 weeks? The coalition have basically prevented another multiplication of whatever that figure is in losses over the course of time.

This fight is not about raw ISK values, it is about preventing BoB from gaining another MASSIVE long term battlefield advantage regardless of the cost to do so.

Didn't this argument die with ASCN? Seriously, losing ships is ALWAYS bad. Period. Especially capital ships. Losing POS's (and what's being built) is bad, too, not denying that.

Furthermore, nobody--and I mean nobody--can afford to suicide 50 capitals a week if BoB starts putting up a dozen decoy shipyards a month. And at this point, I see no reason why they wouldn't. 5b, tops, in POS + fittings + capyards, in return for 200m * 50 = 10b in recovered fittings alone? Seems like a hell of a good deal to me.

Originally by: xh'duality
Originally by: Buxaroo
update: someone linked me a picture: Cap Ship display if there ever was one


Damn.....thats a lot of cap ships.


Just to prove BOB did cause most of the lag purposly trying to safe theyre pos. But they cant break the will of a raging collition. Once again we see bob are using dirty tricks to save em sleft. Well this time they failed. Yes they might have killed alot of us cause we couldnt do anythign at all but we had the ballz to go in with what ever we had nomother what the outcome is going to be. about 800+ pilots who where not able to join the main fleet due lagg problem with in 8 jumps radious. GG

Ah, yes. Allow me to write out the mathematical proof you propose:
1. There is--mysteriously and incriminatingly!--lag when you put 2,000 people within a 2-jump radius of a single system.
2. ...
3. BoBdevsploithax!

I resign myself to being humbled before your superior reasoning.

--P

Raem Civrie
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:17:00 - [693]
 

Originally by: Ifni
Quote:
[00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans
[00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN

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OMG. I'M TOTALLY FAMOUS.

Rawstyle
Caldari
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:17:00 - [694]
 

Edited by: Rawstyle on 29/03/2007 23:16:18
Edited by: Rawstyle on 29/03/2007 23:15:27
Originally by: Eamz
Originally by: Rawstyle
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Rawstyle
heard reports of at least 1 potentially 2 bob motherships that went down in the fight at the pos, can any1 shed any light on this at this (incredably confusing) stage?


negative.

Not a single BoB & allied capital ship was destroyed.




Thnx for confirmation, teamspeak seemed to suggest otherwise but it may indeed prove that you are correct.


when you are proved wrong it will just make your alliance seem stupid, i can imagine it now, someone screaming bob ms down on ts for the sake of it. All i want to know is whether there was or wasnt a titan being built, and tbh its looking more and more like a MS from here. But sounds like some people had fun so it cant have been that bad, at least not for all Razz.


i fail to see how this makes any1 look silly, i asked for something, he gave it to me.....simple, the comment about teamspeak simply comes by way of expanation for my original question. The only 'stupid' person here appears to be your good self Very Happy

Thargat
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:18:00 - [695]
 

Stop with the But and If's. It doesn't change the facts.

The servers are as they are. It's part of the game (currently) and b****ng about it won't change a thing.
CCP knows about the problem and will do "something" about it.
As far as I care it's not about lag or node-crashes. It's about who's winning (if I DID care, wich I don't).

Kudos to the coalition AND to BoB and allies for filling EvE with LOT's of great content and enjoyable events (cus that is what a GAME should be about).

Elle Fatalle
Minmatar
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:18:00 - [696]
 

Originally by: Ifni
Quote:
[00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans
[00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN

This quote brought to you courtesy of #eve-online on irc.coldfront.net


By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:

Copper is metal
Copper is magnetic

Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:18:00 - [697]
 

Originally by: Winter Nuclear
You say no BoB capital ships went down, but how about allied capships? Any losses there?

None as far as I'm aware.

Aelena Thraant
Caldari
The Executives
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:20:00 - [698]
 

Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
I think the answer is in the lack of a Sir Molle chest beating post Wink

He replied to this thread with his balls statement, but now he is strangely quiet.

Maybe his balls got waxed Shocked


Ummm maybe were too busy cleaning up the wreaks and getting people home to do a report atm... The killboard is lagged to hell.... So give it a bit and i'm sure we will have a mail about it... Going to be really funny if it turns out to be a mothership being produced if anything at all

prsr
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:20:00 - [699]
 

Originally by: Vegas

At the cost of a Titan



There was no titan destroyed.

Raem Civrie
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:20:00 - [700]
 

Originally by: Elle Fatalle
Originally by: Ifni
Quote:
[00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans
[00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN

This quote brought to you courtesy of #eve-online on irc.coldfront.net


By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:

Copper is metal
Copper is magnetic

Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)


It's black and white sir.

Reikoku was building a titan, because it's inconceivable they weren't! HOW COULD THEY NOT?

How does Reikoku NOT build a titan?

Reikoku was building a Titan. Otherwise the sun would not come up in the mornings!

Lady Spanky
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:21:00 - [701]
 

Alt post removed - post with your main! If this is your main, see the rules for details on how to stop your posts getting removed - Serathu ([email protected])

Ifni
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:21:00 - [702]
 

Originally by: Elle Fatalle
Originally by: Ifni
Quote:
[00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans
[00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN

This quote brought to you courtesy of #eve-online on irc.coldfront.net


By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:

Copper is metal
Copper is magnetic

Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)

Your reasoning is not flawed. However you're missing one crucial part of the equation; sarcasm.

Pilk
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:22:00 - [703]
 

Originally by: Wrayeth
Oh, and BoB had all of their drones and fighters out to lag out people who were jumping/warping in at the very beginning of the fight. Just more of the cheap tactics we've all come to expect from them.

You're right, of course, they just did that to generate lag. I keep all the drones in my carrier in the drone bay at ALL times, regardless of the circumstances, even if I know I'm going into a fight against a hundred enemy dreadnoughts. It's only fair--maybe I can smartbomb the dreads to death!

--P

Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:22:00 - [704]
 

Originally by: Elle Fatalle

By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:

Copper is metal
Copper is magnetic

Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)

Laughing Off topic but..copper is not magnetic..only ferous metals are, good luck with your exams Wink

Nice BOB spin alt messing up again Razz

Buxaroo
Gallente
The Army of The Ori
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:23:00 - [705]
 

Originally by: RaBbLe66
Titan died....

admit it or deny it..

C'mon BoB you are normally so vocal,




Maybe because they are all collecting all the loot those coalition caps dropped as well as cleaning up whatever strays are around....the guys posting in the thread are probably the ones that got popped.....you expect a response from them this quick when the battle isn't done yet? Buy a clue.

Patch86
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:24:00 - [706]
 

Originally by: prsr
Originally by: Vegas

At the cost of a Titan



There was no titan destroyed.


Isn't that what you guys said when your Titan POS popped too?

Hast
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:25:00 - [707]
 

Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Elle Fatalle

By the same measure, let me show you another logical explanation:

Copper is metal
Copper is magnetic

Therefore, all metal is magnetic. Which is clearly wrong. Bad logical assumptions ftw :)

Laughing Off topic but..copper is not magnetic..only ferous metals are, good luck with your exams Wink

Nice BOB spin alt messing up again Razz


but thats besides the point, I read on a forum that copper is magnetic, so it is clearly magnetic.

so stop your clear and blatant trolling please.

Bon Ali
Caldari
Bon's Ecological Recycling
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:25:00 - [708]
 

Originally by: prsr
Originally by: Vegas

At the cost of a Titan



There was no titan destroyed.
you do know that there was a titan 3 days from completion in that yard right? But nah, you are probably right. Im sure the coalition, with its hundreds of spies, knows less than somebody in JuBa... of all corps. :D

scabbsssjr
Gallente
Galactic Shipyards Inc
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:26:00 - [709]
 

Originally by: Vegas
Originally by: scabbsssjr


1V1 any of those alliances would be conquered by BOB. 10v1 They take almost a month to reach into delve and hit a pos, but at the cost of what?



Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr


Not a single BoB & allied capital ship was destroyed.


Bob and Allied? is this right? so its not 10v1 against Bob?

Bob have allies too?

Originally by: scabbsssjr
but at the cost of what?


At the cost of a Titan




1. Its more than 10 alliances *snip* be nice - KarassI said 10 because their are 2x that out their attacking BOB (atleast), not to even mention the individual corps, so stfu.

2. *snip* be nice - Karass Sayfo who do you think you are twisting my words around?

"They take almost a month to reach into delve and hit a pos, but at the cost of what?" Is what I said. The word at the beginning of the sentence is "they", since BOB and allies don't need to reach into delve to hit a pos it must refer to the coalition.

*snip* please remain civil - Karass Sayfo

prsr
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:26:00 - [710]
 

Originally by: Lady Spanky
<snipped>


I think what some in the forum coalition are claiming that they didn't need those dreads anyway.

Considering this was the biggest capital battle, with the highest capital losses and the highest efficiency that EVE has ever seen, it is great to hear they will be back at it with the same strength tomorrow. Rolling Eyes

Phoebus Athenian
Gallente
Epicurean Circle
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:26:00 - [711]
 

Its awesome to see such huge fleets together.
Much committment on both sides to accomplish their goals.
That is to be respected...

However, you all know the technical limitations of the game (and ANY game).
I have not seen battles of even 100 vs 100 in another game, eve can do that
and a bit more before throwing about a lag of doom. Yes its a huge technical
challenge to have so many people in one node. CCP has done what it can so far
and is still trying to work on this technical challenge. They purchased a very
expensive SSD system, two of them. http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=498575&page=1
My point is, if everyone knows where the game cuts off, SPLIT your forces.
Would it be too hard for the two sides to allow similar numbers/types of forces
to jump in a system and have their fight?
Its obvious trying to outblob each other doesn't work, so lets be sane
and make more reasonable fights. Everybody keeps blaming CCP, I'm blaming you.
And admire you at the same time for your dedication BUT, you know the game limitations.
Split the fleets, do multiple attacks instead of focusing on one system.
I don't understand why everybody has to jump in one system and crowd the bejezus out of it ;)

I hope a good number of you enjoyed the fight semi-lag free, though I am
seeing a lot of posts about lagdeaths... which is to be expected.



This screenie says it all ;)
http://freenet-homepage.de/winchip2/2007.03.29.21.25.25.jpg

DeckardIRL
Gallente
The Randoms
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:26:00 - [712]
 

Tis funny,

The Coalition lost over 40 capitals tonight on a suspected Titan foetus.... and Tyrrax did indeed lose her shiny new Rev....

The beauty of this situation is whether or not there was something there.... proof or STFU has never been more appropriate... imagine losing a fleet of dreads on a hunch?

Deck

DiuxDium
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:26:00 - [713]
 

Originally by: Bon Ali
Originally by: prsr
Originally by: Vegas

At the cost of a Titan



There was no titan destroyed.
you do know that there was a titan 3 days from completion in that yard right? But nah, you are probably right. Im sure the coalition, with its hundreds of spies, knows less than somebody in JuBa... of all corps. :D


The last alt poster said it was 7 days.

Jita Spam in COAD you say? Very Happy

sci0gon
Caldari
Tech X Blue Print Creations
Superior Eve Engineering
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:27:00 - [714]
 

Originally by: Ifni
Quote:
[00:10:43] <Sham> Reikoku Builds Titans. Reikoku's POS was capable of building titans
[00:10:47] <Sham> REIKOKU WAS BUILDING A TITAN

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true it was capable of building but im curious how can you be so sure that they were even building a titan?

WHAT IF... they werent even building anything of that size in there in the first place? wont your loses be in vain?

congrats on downing the pos
unlucky about losing so many cap ships

Zrevak Ashek
Caldari
Galactic Shipyards Inc
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:27:00 - [715]
 

Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 29/03/2007 23:41:56
Ok, as the coalition didnt kill a single BOB capship while BOB capships where deployed to kill Coalition capships, I'd guess the plan was to just cyno in the dreads, siege them for ONE cycle and blow up the capyard, then cyno them out.

I'd guess there was an order out to ignore the BOB cap ships.

Heres for hoping future eve fleetbattles plays out something like this!

Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:28:00 - [716]
 

Originally by: Aelena Thraant


Ummm maybe were too busy cleaning up the wreaks and getting people home to do a report atm... The killboard is lagged to hell.... So give it a bit and i'm sure we will have a mail about it... Going to be really funny if it turns out to be a mothership being produced if anything at all


Oh come on, there are some of us still in the battlefield now mate Razz

And yes it would be funny if it was an MS, but Ithink we all know what happened tonight...next time, join in, the sidelines are comfy, but you not really involved are you Twisted Evil

twit brent
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:28:00 - [717]
 

Whoever won, the veldspar looses.

Shirei
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:29:00 - [718]
 

Originally by: DeckardIRL
The beauty of this situation is whether or not there was something there.... proof or STFU has never been more appropriate... imagine losing a fleet of dreads on a hunch?

Do you think anyone would risk 150+ cap ships in a situation where they know they'll lose a significant amount unless they had quite a bit more than a hunch of what they were risking them for?

Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:30:00 - [719]
 

I'm wondering, how much did your gang got at their peak time, I joined the ra gang (I don't speak a word of russian ^^'), then at our peak time (read before we jumped and got people lagged out) we had 240 peeps. And you ?

Shirei
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.03.29 23:30:00 - [720]
 

Originally by: twit brent
Whoever won, the veldspar looses.

Nope, Veldspar wins, I can already see the price going up. Laughing


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