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Shar Tegral
Posted - 2007.03.21 08:11:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Shar Tegral on 21/03/2007 08:08:17


Zorthex was almost convincing mind you however there were certain problems with his plan. Mostly he just wanted confirmation that he was the alt of a long time player by someone credible to the community. The problem is that such credibility often comes to someone who has demonstrated some level of intelligence. So when Zorthex contacted me regarding this IPO he was planning I gave him my undivided attention to hear his plans.

Zorthex swore me to secrecy regarding his main character and anyone with some Eve history background will know that my word regarding confidentiality is sacrosanct. And I would say that the information I've uncovered says that Zorthex knows that as well. After all he's got characters dating back to Nov 2003 as far as I can detail it. So after I swear myself to secrecy he invites the character he presents to me as his main. I quickly start looking through his bio and data as I also type hellos and tell me mores. And the employment history does go far back, I can confirm that the main he presented to me does indeed go back to Aug 2003.

Anyone who may actually read this closely will notice that Aug 2003 is further back than Nov 2003. Did I mis-speak myself? Not on your life. In fact that character he presented as main was purchased in March 2006. This information can be viewed in two distinct ways.

First, it was an illegal character transfer. After all, employment history and affiliations get cleared with a character transfer. Since the main has an employment history going back 3 years beyond the sale date what else can one assume? Well we can assume that the forum sale of the character was a complete fraud as well. The original seller has not been identified so anything is possible.

In the end neither possibility really makes much of a difference. The only thing that matters is: Zorthex misrepresented himself entirely.

That of course relieves me from having to honor my own word since to keep silent would only allow him/her to try this to someone else through the use of yet another alt. So, pay the price of trying to do an IPO scam by having not just one main revealed but all that I could find.

Shar Tegral
Posted - 2007.03.21 08:12:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Shar Tegral on 21/03/2007 08:10:56

Shar Tegral
Posted - 2007.03.21 08:14:00 - [3]
 


The supposed plan, of which I can provide a chat log, was to fund the purchase, and subsequent production via bpo, of a Nyx Mothership. He assured me that his CEO would vouch for the authenticity of the project and the the alliance leadership would be behind this venture. He also assured me that if he could not find a seller within his alliance he would have someone from ISS or TRUST handle the sale of the first Mothership.

He talked about the profits to be made and how to quickly repay the investors after just one sale. He talked about his intentions but in fact he never actually talked about the how he was going to accomplish this. Pushing such matters off till the actual drafting of the IPO he simply wanted to satisfy any question about his "main's" age and abilities. He just wanted to get someone credible to vouch for him.

Well, I won't.

You lied to me, you've probably lied to your very new corp as well. If you had succeeded in getting the money and/or the bpo you'd have caused your current corporation and your alliance to be slandered to high heaven while running off scott and free or so you thought.

Dark Shikari
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2007.03.21 10:26:00 - [4]
 

Owned in the face.

I guess he just bought these characters for nothing LaughingLaughingLaughing

Good job Shar! Twisted Evil

samkeir
Fury Holdings
Brutally Clever Empire
Posted - 2007.03.21 18:24:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Shar Tegral
After all, employment history and affiliations get cleared with a character transfer.


Unless I'm misunderstanding you, you're wrong on this point. Employment history remains after a character is transferred. I've no doubt your overall conclusion that he's a scammer is true, however.

Crinos Childflayer
Posted - 2007.03.21 18:44:00 - [6]
 

This may fall upon very deaf ears, but I can at least give it a shot.

There is no point in "proving" that someone is a scammer. Just don't give them your money and tell the people that you care about not to give them any either.

Just look at r0me0, he openly proclaims himself to be a scammer and people still believe him. The more to try to prove that someone is lying/cheating/scamming, the more people will wonder, and the closer they get to falling for it as well. So, if you figure one out, just know that slandering them will just build them more publicity.

Jex Jast
Go for the booty
Posted - 2007.03.21 20:47:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Crinos Childflayer
just know that slandering them will just build them more publicity.


Actually this'd be libel...it's written.

monkeyduck
Mithril Inc
Posted - 2007.03.21 20:48:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: samkeir

Employment history remains after a character is transferred.


Indeed it does.

Krisz2
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.03.21 20:59:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Krisz2 on 22/03/2007 21:23:08
Edited by: Krisz2 on 22/03/2007 02:52:46
Edited by: Krisz2 on 22/03/2007 02:44:41
Well Shar you've managed to ruin my IPO after I put my trust in you so I guess all thatís left is to save my reputation.

Krisz2 is in fact my one and only main who I purchased with a legal char transfer in October of 2006. That after any of the quotes Shar has listed. I had offered to prove he was my only main with a Fraps of my login screen.

I purchased Krisz2 from a seller in Jita after making 12b from a 720II BPO sale on my old main of roughly 4 months. Since that time I have had Krisz2 for nearly a year and have been in 2 0.0 alliances my last for 3 months. During that time I have helped with building capital ships and run a semi-successful BPO research business(It was blown up by lowsec pirates).

Never at any point have I had a history at scamming. Also at no point during our conversation did I ever lie to Shar and I always offered proof when I could. After last night our conversation ended on a positive note and while my IPO had some problems it was defiantly well researched and profitable.

XXX > I've ****ed off the devs I won't spill the beans.
XXX > /emote chuckles
XXX > You're long in the tooth... and been around.
XXX > You are in a nice sized corp with a long standing ceo.
Me > are you still in channel?
XXX > Yes
Me > ok sorry
XXX > For some reason
XXX > No worries
Me > I see it as empty lol
XXX > Well I'm here and it's just us.
Me > ok heres my basic idea

This is basically where Shar said I lied to him. Apparently he meant his phrase "long in the tooth" as implying my char was from 2003. TBH I never even thought about it but realistically basing your entire attack on me based on that without talking to me about it first is baseless at best.

I've tried to talk to Shar about it ingame but he has refussed to hear anything I have to say (blocked me when I tryed to contest his info) even after I've proved that most of his assumptions are wrong.

With these accusations I know some people will completely ignore what I have to say and I'm obviously disappointed by the things turned out. If any senior forum member needs anymore evidence I'm not an alt or a scammer I would be happy to provide anything that would clear my name. I would provide the whole chat log but Iím still hoping that sometime in the distant future my ideas will be fully realized. Also i'd like to point out that Shar promised to keep my ideas and identity a secret and while I agree that scammers should be revealed nothing even in his assumptions is evidence that I am a scammer. Shar I trusted you to give me senior feedback on my ideas and instead you posted two threads to go on a witch hunt based on bad assumptions for an IPO I never even started.

Also the last thing I need to point out is at no point did I ever ask Shar to endorse my IPO. All I wanted was feedback on a very early plan and for him to simply validate my info if I decided to go through with it. This info included I have a freighter/POS, I have permission from my CEO, I have a main char in a major alliance, I'm spending the money on what I say. Everything else would be at the descression of the investors.

Johnny ReeRee
The ReeRee Brigade
Posted - 2007.03.21 22:34:00 - [10]
 

This is a pretty embarrasing move by Shar Tegral. He's wrong about employment history, and appears to be jumping to conclusions here. I have no idea if krisz2 is a scammer or not, but that can't be decided on available information.

Basically, Shar completely jumped the gun. Sorry for your IPO -- Shar may have succeeding in smearing it enough to kill it, regardless of its actual merits. Again, no idea if krisz2 is a scammer or not, but present information doesn't particularly drive at that conclusion.

Ezoran DuBlaidd
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2007.03.21 23:32:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Shar Tegral
Edited by: Shar Tegral on 21/03/2007 08:08:17



First, it was an illegal character transfer. After all, employment history and affiliations get cleared with a character transfer. Since the main has an employment history going back 3 years beyond the sale date what else can one assume? Well we can assume that the forum sale of the character was a complete fraud as well. The original seller has not been identified so anything is possible.





since i still don't know, i'll ask -- does the character history disappear after a character sale/transfer?

Shar Tegral
Posted - 2007.03.21 23:45:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Johnny ReeRee
He's wrong about employment history, and appears to be jumping to conclusions here.

If my conclusion was solely based upon what happens to a character upon transfer, you would be correct. However the statement regarding employment history was a supposed situation that mattered neither one way or another.

The gentleman presented goods that were not as advertised while going about the business of starting a very large, 10's of billions, IPO plan. Facile excuses, counterarguments, and possible explanations for situations presented does not exclude the onus for failing to disclose in a disclosure meeting.

In the ipo world, that is scamming. 'Nuff said.

The references are cited, you can do research to (dis)prove findings and counter argue. Otherwise I'll borrow a page from BOB's book.... proof or stfu.

All else is rabble rousing and is beneath notice.

Crinos Childflayer
Posted - 2007.03.21 23:54:00 - [13]
 

And the world of EVE could have been saved, If only they had clicked the "Private Convo" button instead of the "Broadcast Our Problem To EVERYONE ELSE" button first.

Ezoran DuBlaidd
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2007.03.22 00:08:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 22/03/2007 00:07:56
Originally by: Shar Tegral
look, two dogs




"Zorthex swore me to secrecy regarding his main character and anyone with some Eve history background will know that my word regarding confidentiality is sacrosanct."..."So after I swear myself to secrecy he invites the character he presents to me as his main. I quickly start looking through his bio and data as I also type hellos and tell me mores."


sacrosanct - 1. extremely sacred or inviolable: a sacrosanct chamber in the temple.
2. not to be entered or trespassed upon: She considered her home office sacrosanct.
3. above or beyond criticism, change, or interference: a manuscript deemed sacrosanct.


is Krisz2 the main to which you were sworn to secrecy; because, and i quote "anyone with some Eve history background will know that my word regarding confidentiality is sacrosanct"? If that is not the main; then bravo indeed for keeping your word. because you gave your word, BEFORE you had decided to call 'scam' or not, knowing full well that you might/might not call "scam".



like i said before, i don't know you from adam or steve.

but, if you were sworn to secrecy, and then went on a tirade about illegal sales, which accusations were fueled by, if not based upon, a false presupposition; then used that as justification for betraying a trust...

and yes, i see the crux of your scammer argument isn't about THIS. this isn't about him. i believe everyone can change for the better or worse.

I believe it's dante's inferno that says - the deepest circle of hell is reserved for betrayers...


edited: "That of course relieves me from having to honor my own word since to keep silent would only allow him/her to try this to someone else through the use of yet another alt. So, pay the price of trying to do an IPO scam by having not just one main revealed but all that I could find." = cop out

Mother Clanger
Viziam
Posted - 2007.03.22 01:43:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Edited by: Shar Tegral on 21/03/2007 08:08:17



First, it was an illegal character transfer. After all, employment history and affiliations get cleared with a character transfer. Since the main has an employment history going back 3 years beyond the sale date what else can one assume? Well we can assume that the forum sale of the character was a complete fraud as well. The original seller has not been identified so anything is possible.





since i still don't know, i'll ask -- does the character history disappear after a character sale/transfer?



Just for the record, judging by a legal character transfer I made several months ago, your employment history is not wiped after a character transfer.


 

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