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Cruel Fox
Divine Power.
Atlas.
Posted - 2007.04.20 15:56:00 - [541]
 

Did i just saw admition they REALLY found them broken after all stupicd crap we got on INTENTIONS!

And finally - to all whiners out there who was trying to explain us that roids r well - come and post now.

BTW - eta on fix?

Zigg Omelo
NorCorp Enterprise
Norcorp
Posted - 2007.04.20 17:11:00 - [542]
 

Originally by: CCP TomB
Feel free to hate me until the fix is out.


It is still building up YARRRR!!Twisted EvilYARRRR!!

Forzen
Gallente
Tachivana Technologies
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2007.04.20 17:13:00 - [543]
 

I'd say we told you so but i think you already know that CCP Razz At least now its getting fixed Very Happy


Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
Posted - 2007.04.20 22:27:00 - [544]
 

Originally by: CCP TomB

... the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action.

Feel free to hate me until the fix is out.


Most of the hate came from not getting a reply, now that you've acknowledged the problem and told us you are working on it, I think you'll find we can show a lot more patience.

-Bart

Reachok
Amarr
Wrecking Shots
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2007.04.20 22:46:00 - [545]
 

Originally by: Sir Bart
Originally by: CCP TomB

... the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action.

Feel free to hate me until the fix is out.


Most of the hate came from not getting a reply, now that you've acknowledged the problem and told us you are working on it, I think you'll find we can show a lot more patience.
-Bart


Aye!! Thanks for looking, and thanks for replying!! And please next time, just a couple lines saying, "We're looking at it, it's 378 thousand lines of code and will take a while to completely verify" or something similar. Very Happy

Xelios
Minmatar
Broski Enterprises
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.04.20 23:45:00 - [546]
 

Originally by: CCP TomB
Dear friends and foes of Rogue Drones. We have been on this issue for quite a time, which has been split into a history of multiple issues that have delayed .

  • Asteroids in 8 new regions arn't respawning - we spend quite a time looking at code to see if something was preventing these new regions for having asteroids reseeded in quantity, and verifying that it was indeed working as intended.

  • Asteroid belts had off-grid stones - this was a general issue with asteroid belts but the 8 new regions had the worst version of this issue. This was fixed a few patches ago.

  • The amount of ore in the 8 new regions is less! - yet another issue that didn't make sense to us, the total amount of roids was around the same as for other regions, we spend quite a lot of time looking if big portion of them were "hidden".


Now that we finally found out that #3 was the real issue but in another way; the asteroids are just way smaller than found in other regions, but there are are way more of them.

We didn't think of this being a possible issue at the time being, as we didn't realize that strip miners empty the amount in few seconds while the cycle would be up to 10 minutes.

I must admit I feel stupid not to see the true issue until now and having spend quite a lot of development time into digging holes at wrong locations.

But the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action.

Feel free to hate me until the fix is out.

I'm just glad to finally see a reply. But maybe next time when you guys run into dead ends trying to track down bugs that many players insist are there you could reply in threads like this with the information you have asking for help in tracking it down. I'm sure a lot of time could have been saved with questions like "How many roids do you guys see in the belts (roughly)? How many units do you get out of each type of roid?" etc.

We'd have been more than happy to help track it down if only we'd known what information you needed...

Par'Gellen
Gallente
Neon Cranium
Posted - 2007.04.21 00:04:00 - [547]
 

Originally by: Xelios
I'm just glad to finally see a reply. But maybe next time when you guys run into dead ends trying to track down bugs that many players insist are there you could reply in threads like this with the information you have asking for help in tracking it down. I'm sure a lot of time could have been saved with questions like "How many roids do you guys see in the belts (roughly)? How many units do you get out of each type of roid?" etc.

We'd have been more than happy to help track it down if only we'd known what information you needed...
Yeah I wondered why a dev didn't simply ask someone to show them what the problem was. I bet they would have had trouble finding people in that area that DIDN'T want to show them the exact problem.

Toxic Four
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
Posted - 2007.04.21 03:16:00 - [548]
 

Thanks for the feedback. A statement of what the belts are supposed to be like -- as in NOT somehow gimped because the drones are always eating them etc is what I wanted to see.


Twixies
Posted - 2007.04.21 12:41:00 - [549]
 

Edited by: Twixies on 21/04/2007 12:41:50
Well.. my probes are ready, and maybe my Miner IIWink

I'm glad you find the bug...Good work DEV

LocalHost
Hard Six Enterprises
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2007.04.21 16:11:00 - [550]
 

/me reserves final comments until I see how this gets implemented.


I think the other people got it right though in their responses...... next time FFS just ask the same 100's of people that have reported this issue, and keep us updated. Would save alot of frustration and people idling or quitting their accounts.

ghosttr
Amarr
ARK-CORP
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.04.22 07:16:00 - [551]
 

I just did a run on the test server today and got no new scan results, only grav and unknown signatures. More needs to be done that upping the escalation rate, we need the different plexes like everyone else.Shocked

Also I didnt notice difference with the roids, but I think that may be something that we will have to wait until its on tq to test

I know we had verification on the problem with the roids. And I would like to know about the exploration sites.

Hexman
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2007.04.22 17:39:00 - [552]
 

w000t!!! Won't hate you as long as we know you guys are working on it!

This is awesome news...just hope doesnt take 1yr tho.. :)

Originally by: CCP TomB
Dear friends and foes of Rogue Drones. We have been on this issue for quite a time, which has been split into a history of multiple issues that have delayed .

  • Asteroids in 8 new regions arn't respawning - we spend quite a time looking at code to see if something was preventing these new regions for having asteroids reseeded in quantity, and verifying that it was indeed working as intended.

  • Asteroid belts had off-grid stones - this was a general issue with asteroid belts but the 8 new regions had the worst version of this issue. This was fixed a few patches ago.

  • The amount of ore in the 8 new regions is less! - yet another issue that didn't make sense to us, the total amount of roids was around the same as for other regions, we spend quite a lot of time looking if big portion of them were "hidden".


Now that we finally found out that #3 was the real issue but in another way; the asteroids are just way smaller than found in other regions, but there are are way more of them.

We didn't think of this being a possible issue at the time being, as we didn't realize that strip miners empty the amount in few seconds while the cycle would be up to 10 minutes.

I must admit I feel stupid not to see the true issue until now and having spend quite a lot of development time into digging holes at wrong locations.

But the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action.

Feel free to hate me until the fix is out.

Stamm
Amarr
RHC
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.04.22 20:19:00 - [553]
 

Originally by: CCP TomB
Dear friends and foes of Rogue Drones. We have been on this issue for quite a time, which has been split into a history of multiple issues that have delayed .

  • Asteroids in 8 new regions arn't respawning - we spend quite a time looking at code to see if something was preventing these new regions for having asteroids reseeded in quantity, and verifying that it was indeed working as intended.

  • Asteroid belts had off-grid stones - this was a general issue with asteroid belts but the 8 new regions had the worst version of this issue. This was fixed a few patches ago.

  • The amount of ore in the 8 new regions is less! - yet another issue that didn't make sense to us, the total amount of roids was around the same as for other regions, we spend quite a lot of time looking if big portion of them were "hidden".


Now that we finally found out that #3 was the real issue but in another way; the asteroids are just way smaller than found in other regions, but there are are way more of them.

We didn't think of this being a possible issue at the time being, as we didn't realize that strip miners empty the amount in few seconds while the cycle would be up to 10 minutes.

I must admit I feel stupid not to see the true issue until now and having spend quite a lot of development time into digging holes at wrong locations.

But the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action.

Feel free to hate me until the fix is out.


Rather than saying "There's 5000 other solar systems" or "We've fixed it already" or "Everything is working as it should" or absolutely nothing, if you'd posted "There's problems, we don't know what these are" or even just open a convo with me about it and avoid all the forum stuff. I'd have gotten every alliance in the new regions testing stuff for you. I'd have assigned someone to filter through feedback and give you a concentrated dose of what's going on.

For months we've been sitting here thinking you don't have a care in the world about us. I very much welcome your post, and I'm over the moon you've fixed it. But you know if you'd said "The asteroids from where I'm looking seem to be the same as other regions" or "Somethings, wrong, we don't know what it is. We ARE working on it" then you'd have gotten a whole lot less whines, and much better feeling over it.

I know many people have already left the new regions in disgust. All it would have taken would have been "We know. We are working on it, it's up at the top of the list".

But anyway, thanks for fixing it. And hopefully we can see it in the next patch.

One point I would dispute with you is that there "are way more of them". We can clear a belt in minutes. I know we can't do that elsewhere.

But like I said, any help you need. Contact me and I'll get it done. Or contact someone else. But we will help, it's in our interests.

The Power
x13
IT Alliance
Posted - 2007.04.22 21:39:00 - [554]
 

Edited by: The Power on 22/04/2007 21:36:32
Originally by: CCP Oveur
Originally by: Stamm
Originally by: CCP Oveur

Oh, now I understand better the loot, you mean the composition is to zyd/nocx heavy? I hadn't thought about it like that, I was referring to rogue drones not having loot, which is one of their main traits (CONCORD doesn't give a flying intercourse about rogue drones).

The composition is however intentional, you don't have all but we can datamine this specifically. There are other sources than the new regions for the compounds so I wouldn't single that out as the only reason for price fluctuations.


Again, thanks for replying Oveur, you may not realise it, but by simply replying to me you've probably shown a bit of a light at the end of the tunnel for all the frustrated new regions alliances.

Yeah, it's what I meant. I see what you mean about the zyd/nocx. Of course we shouldn't have perfect building requirements in minerals dropping. However, are you intending doing anything about zyd/nocx prices if they continue to drop?

Zyd has gone to about 50% of what it was when the new regions come out. Nocx stood a little better, but the price has been crashing.

Zydrine 180 day average

Nocxium 180 day average

Those are the two minerals that rogue drones are "heavy" on, and it's pretty clear the price is plumetting.


Would we do anything about the market price if it drops? The short answer is no, we don't want to mess with the economy in a direct manner. However, we have through time changed composition and distribution of minerals to addres certain long-term situations.

However, as long as for example Zyd stays around 1024, it's base price, we have no worries.



Base price is 1024 ?!
http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/EN/manufactureresearch/materials/minerals/39.asp

You could have fouled me Shocked

Cruel Fox
Divine Power.
Atlas.
Posted - 2007.04.24 06:28:00 - [555]
 

What about fix of EXPLORATION?

Ahz
Posted - 2007.04.24 23:17:00 - [556]
 

Edited by: Ahz on 26/04/2007 18:04:10
Originally by: Stamm
* Broken rewards for belt rats
* No faction spawns

...for now the drone regions are less rewarding than other regions, more hassle, and for the most part, simply broken.

I'd add "boring as all get out" to this list.

In the drone regions ratting is more like weeding. Same junk in each rat regardless of how tough it is to kill. Very little variation.

In the faction regions you've always got the chance of running into the 100 mil ISK faction mod. In the drone regions it's 1 mil per BS. Every single time.

Raven Kahn
Posted - 2007.04.26 17:16:00 - [557]
 

can we get a time line on the fix please

thank you,
RK

Turin
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2007.04.26 18:04:00 - [558]
 

Originally by: CCP TomB
Dear friends and foes of Rogue Drones. We have been on this issue for quite a time, which has been split into a history of multiple issues that have delayed .

  • Asteroids in 8 new regions arn't respawning - we spend quite a time looking at code to see if something was preventing these new regions for having asteroids reseeded in quantity, and verifying that it was indeed working as intended.

  • Asteroid belts had off-grid stones - this was a general issue with asteroid belts but the 8 new regions had the worst version of this issue. This was fixed a few patches ago.

  • The amount of ore in the 8 new regions is less! - yet another issue that didn't make sense to us, the total amount of roids was around the same as for other regions, we spend quite a lot of time looking if big portion of them were "hidden".


Now that we finally found out that #3 was the real issue but in another way; the asteroids are just way smaller than found in other regions, but there are are way more of them.

We didn't think of this being a possible issue at the time being, as we didn't realize that strip miners empty the amount in few seconds while the cycle would be up to 10 minutes.

I must admit I feel stupid not to see the true issue until now and having spend quite a lot of development time into digging holes at wrong locations.

But the good part is that we are going to fix this, might take some time though because asteroids seeding is quite an extensive action.

Feel free to hate me until the fix is out.



THANK you for finally seeing the major issue here. Although it took a while. I am sure that all the rest of us will gladly look forward to a fix.

Rikeka
Eye of God
Posted - 2007.04.26 22:17:00 - [559]
 

Would be nice to know when this will be fixed though.
Aside of that, I`ll believe this when I see it.

Cruel Fox
Divine Power.
Atlas.
Posted - 2007.04.27 02:39:00 - [560]
 

What ime we r looking on this and when EXPLORATION will be fixed;

-u know about this to be broken since u were trying to fix it in 1.4.1 patch but u didnt!
- u dont get any reward from our exploration sites!! (dont say after 4 month we didnt tould u)

Bump!

Commander BlackJack
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2007.04.27 22:42:00 - [561]
 

Edited by: Commander BlackJack on 27/04/2007 22:46:30
When TomB wrote the response regarding the asteroids i had a private convo with him when he was in our region. And he said that they're going to improve the rouge drone complexes & exploration in the new regions. no ETA tho.

Btw. Oveur also mentioned it in his latest devblog:

Quote:
In new content, we have more Exploration sites for the whole universe (including some special love for the Drone regions) and Level 5/6 Agent missions.


So i guess it's planned in rev 2.0 :-/

Pherusa Plumosa
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2007.04.28 15:48:00 - [562]
 

Quote:
To rectify this, we’re adding a chance of getting commander spawns (your Arch Angels, Dark Bloods and so on) to the end of all escalation sites, as well as reviewing and occasionally revising the difficulty of certain sites. Hopefully this should make them a little more worthwhile.


So we get "officer drones" dropping more compounds than normal or any other basic materials for which ccp wants to fix market prices?

ghosttr
Amarr
ARK-CORP
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2007.04.28 15:59:00 - [563]
 

Also we aren't getting any t2 salvage from drones. In other regions a faction spawn will give you some t2 salvage. Here, we have none of these spawns so we don't get t2 salvage atm.

Also, we have no gas clouds. I have found giant scary stalagmite or something that oozes green gas. But the gas isnt harvestable. Could you change that before rev 2 so we don't miss out on months of possible booster production?Wink

Mortania
Minmatar
No Compromise
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2007.04.30 05:05:00 - [564]
 

I haven't checked, but am I to understand that there's boatloads of hidden belts that are just waiting to push Zyd to 1024?


CCP Fear

Posted - 2007.04.30 10:39:00 - [565]
 

A bit more info on the situation.

The most common exploration complex in the new region was broken but has now been fixed and awaits deployment onto TQ. That will happen in the next static update.

We are also adding a lot of more smaller engagements, that will have some good fights and good loot which should spice up the new regions considerably.

Fear

Zigg Omelo
NorCorp Enterprise
Norcorp
Posted - 2007.04.30 11:04:00 - [566]
 

Originally by: CCP Fear
A bit more info on the situation.

The most common exploration complex in the new region was broken but has now been fixed and awaits deployment onto TQ. That will happen in the next static update.

We are also adding a lot of more smaller engagements, that will have some good fights and good loot which should spice up the new regions considerably.

Fear


Thank you Cool

Xelios
Minmatar
Broski Enterprises
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.04.30 11:05:00 - [567]
 

Quote:
Also we aren't getting any t2 salvage from drones. In other regions a faction spawn will give you some t2 salvage. Here, we have none of these spawns so we don't get t2 salvage atm.

It's true we don't get any at all, but the drop rates for t2 salvage is a global problem. I spent some time ratting in Stain recently and only 2/4 commanders dropped a single t2 salvage part each. A 22 mil officer I found dropped no salvage whatsoever. The drop rate for these things is so low that most t2 rigs cost over 500 million isk just to produce at Jita prices.

Rikeka
Eye of God
Posted - 2007.05.01 01:06:00 - [568]
 

Any update from the miners in the Drone Regions?
How`s the roid situation right now?

Hiesi
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2007.05.02 05:35:00 - [569]
 

I haven't heard of any change in the roids as yet. Not a miner myself though. Some tougher rats will be nice and if there's the likely hood that exploration can be useful out here that would be sweet.

Steven McWayne
Gallente
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.05.02 16:05:00 - [570]
 

I was my first time now in the new regions for checking roids.
I scanned them and only can say, its not worth to put a Hulk with t2 stuff in there. I mean there so small, i need only 1,5 cycles to pop a roid, they only have up to 500(Crokite/Arkonor) units in them, so i have to move every 4,5 minutes around.
Another issue are those drones, i'm living in Branch and we live from Crokite but now its not worth to mine it.
I skilled month's to fly a Hulk on lvl 5 with t2 crystals and other stuff and now the ppl are shooting faster zydrine then i can mine.
And the allies that live in the south where they can mine megacyte have now a real $$$ advantage.


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