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Ira Theos
Posted - 2007.03.02 22:10:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Ira Theos on 02/03/2007 22:41:13
Edited by: Ira Theos on 02/03/2007 22:40:01
Your arguement is a strawman..... Nobody cares about the useless "low demand" T2 BPOs.... The point is that "high demand" BPOs (like HACs or cloaks) in the hands of a few give that few the exclusive right to generate resources that power their zero space war-machines at attrition levels that cannot be matched by Corporations without such resources. As for those complexes that print isk, they are held by and large by the same T2 BPO holding Corps, thereby compounding the problem of resource generation imbalance.

If you think you are going to start playing EVE and develop a Corporation in a year or so that can successfully compete in zero, you are sadly mistaken. What you ARE going to do is develop a Corporation that can get to zero, BUT IT WILL HAVE PAY RENT TO THE T2 BPO HEGEMONY OR YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO STAY THERE. And if you say "No, I'll fight to defend my turf!" they will smile, salute you for your fortitude, and then wipe you out of space like so much mud off their boot.

OH, HECK! WHY DO I BOTHER ARGUEING THIS SUBJECT WITH PRO-T2 CARTEL PROPAGANDISTS?? I GUESS I'M JUST GOING TO GO JOIN THE GOONS! AT LEAST THEIR STRATEGY HAS A CHANCE IN THIS GAME. WHEN REMEDIAL SUCCEEDS IN RECRUITING HALF THE PILOTS IN THE GAME, ALL THE ISK IN EVE WON'T SAVE YOU.

"FOR THE GLORY OF THE HIVE!"Twisted Evil

BobFromMarketing
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.03.02 22:14:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Erik Pathfinder

You need to keep buying materials for manufacturing


Wrong, mine your materials for nearly 100 % profit. And yes not all BPO's are created equal, id much rather win a sabre bpo than the one you have. But certain Tech 2 BPOs ARE ISk printers. The one i mentioned earlier being one of them. It costs around 1.2 mill to produce an invention based Covert Ops Cloak. Yet they sell for 75 mill. Why is this? Because a few individuals control the market until sometime in the future when invention is widespread

Mortania
Minmatar
No Compromise
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2007.03.02 22:14:00 - [93]
 

At least we're finally starting to make a distinction. The conversation is moving forward.

T2 BPOs don't necessarily = isk printing machines.

Certain T2 BPOs do.

At least now we're talking in rational terms and slowing down on the generalizations.


So, given that. How do we fix the Hulks, HACs, Cap IIs, and Cloaks of the universe?

Besides burn them down, I mean, of course.

BobFromMarketing
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2007.03.02 22:15:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: BobFromMarketing on 02/03/2007 22:38:32
Edited by: BobFromMarketing on 02/03/2007 22:12:13
Originally by: Mortania
At least we're finally starting to make a distinction. The conversation is moving forward.

T2 BPOs don't necessarily = isk printing machines.

Certain T2 BPOs do.

At least now we're talking in rational terms and slowing down on the generalizations.


So, given that. How do we fix the Hulks, HACs, Cap IIs, and Cloaks of the universe?



Make invention more widespread. Most of eve still doesnt know exactly how hard invention is or how it works. Myself included, only because we are too lazy to research it, and the lack of an up front faq.
Edit 1: Getting what I said out of the quote
Edit 2: Getting the quote out of what I said

Erik Pathfinder
Caldari
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2007.03.02 22:21:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Erik Pathfinder on 02/03/2007 22:18:48
Alright, you few who responded to my post (not a single positive response it seems)

What ideas for a solution do you have? That doesn't make my t2 BPO any more worthless than it already is?

EDIT: Just saw the reply above this post

Yes, invention is a good thing. I think it should be easier to understand, because it is THE solution.

Destruct
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2007.03.02 22:38:00 - [96]
 

I blame ccp all the way.

Since the number of prints is decided by ccp, it's astonishing that they did nothing to balance the supply of them. Furthermore, they dish out even more of the prints that's hardly even suitable to wipe ones arse with effectively ruining the less then moderate income for those who still bothered to produce and yet again seed too few of the ones that were actually desirable.

Imo, all that was needed, was that ccp would actually look at all the statistics they so conviniently have available and balance the t2 production a bit. Nothing is wrong with the lottery!

How hard can that be?




Martosh Toma
Gallente
Fraction Investment
Posted - 2007.03.03 02:42:00 - [97]
 

I would say they need to do a little more than just look in the database to see wich bpo need to be distributed.

If there is more demand for Vagabonds (more as in more demand for it than for all the other bad hac's together) then obviously there is a large gap between those hac's in performance. so some balancing needs to be done as well. This means improving the hacs that are sold, say below 90M on the open market, not nerving the ones that are actually better than a trier 2 BC.

As to some of the other useless bpo.
lets take Gremlin rage rockets for example. There actually is a small demad for these rockets. By my estimate i could probebly sell my dayly production in about a month in a region making a few isk one ach rocket. So I only need to spread my sales to 30 regions and i could keep it in constant production.
Now compare this with t1 rockets in the same region's
To build every rocket I could sell in those 30 regions I would have to run the bpo for about a week (guestimate).
for each missile I only make 10% of what I would make on each t2 missile. but in that 1 week (instead of a full month) I make much more than 10 times as much missiles and sell them as well. there is less haslle in production, as the t1 only reqiuires minerals. and in the other 3 weeks in that month I can run the other 3 rocket types. So calculating profit / factory slot hour I would make much more on the t1 bpo than on the t2 bpo.
I have no Idear how to solve this.

Reducing the cost / missille is no real option (build cost are low already)
Reducing production time per missile (reduce job time or increase produced amount/run) would help a bit, but most of the ammo bpo's out there already far exceed market demand.
Improving the usefulness and thus the value of the missiles is no option either, I think, not even if only some of the penalties were reduced. to make the bpo compete in hourly profitebility the sale price would at least have to triple if hourly production remains as it is.

Other low value t2 bpo face similar or different problems resulting in an equally bad profit/hour.
For instance the t2 ecm module as mentioned above is VERY bad if you compare it to the best named t1 version. It needs more cap, more cpu and more skills at no extra benefit.

In my opinion a t2 bpo should produce more revenue's than a t1 bpo. Not as much as currently the medium drones or hac's like the vagabont offer, but at least more than their t1 counterpart. All things for a more healthy t2 market are im place I think with invention (and maybe other sources of bpc) working as a limit to the maximum price, offering opertunity to others to compete, and the bpo's there to guarantee at least a supply if the module is sub standart. Of course some work still needs to be done to make sure that invention can actially do its intended work.


Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
Posted - 2007.03.03 03:39:00 - [98]
 

T2 Small EMP Smartbomb? Thats about as useful as a those fins on Minmatar Ships.Rolling Eyes

Ashira Twilight
Posted - 2007.03.03 04:14:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: James Duar
Wow! It would almost seem like you're trying to straw-man the position that a T2 BPO is an ISK printing machine by pointing out how your's isn't.

But wait a minute! No one uses smartbombs to start with! Everyone wants a faster, better, stronger cruiser! Maybe there would be a huge mark up on a limited supply item which everyone wants! Could it possibly be, that in fact there's a strong differential in the value of T2 items based on their usages and desirability as T1 items, and that perhaps the existence of T2 BPOs that are not profitable doesn't change the problem cited with T2, that it gives certain individuals, by chance, huge wealth possibilities?

No of course not! Because that type of thinking is completely irrational Rolling Eyes


This is when this thread was won.

And, my own opinion...

Most of us do know that crap module/ammo/ships nobody uses/etc bpos don't make isk. I have a hangar full of tech 1 bpos of common modules/ships that TONS of people use. You know what I use them for? Paperweights. I can't be bothered to spend the time setting up/updating buy orders for minerals, and flying around getting good deals...and building these things to make pennies.

Oh, but would I love to log in on an alt, buy a few hundred mil worth of minerals/tech 2 components, finish my 30 day hulk run, and put them up on the market at whatever I felt like charging that month. Of course, I'd probably get bored and want more...


Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.03.03 10:33:00 - [100]
 

A quick browse through your corporation's website(which you are the CEO of) reveals the following:


Purchaseable T2 Items

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1MN Afterburner II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Magnetic Membrane II
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Explosion Dampening Amplifier II
Flycatcher
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Havoc Fury Heavy Missile II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Magnetic Plating II
Medium EMP Smartbomb II
Medium Shield Booster II
Miner II
Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II
Reactive Plating II
Reflective Plating II
Scourge Precision Heavy Missile II
Signal Amplifier II
Small Armor Repairer II
Small Capacitor Booster II
Small EMP Smartbomb II
Small Energy Transfer Array II
Small Shield Extender II

Try offering those next time, I even bolded them for you. Bye now.Laughing

Neon Genesis
GoonFleet
Posted - 2007.03.03 10:45:00 - [101]
 

I don't get this. I don't think I've ever used a small smartbomb in 4 years of playing.

Probably one of the worst bpo's out there. So there are good bpo's and bad bpo's? Duh.

Martosh Toma
Gallente
Fraction Investment
Posted - 2007.03.04 10:33:00 - [102]
 

Gamesguy, If they have that many, do you think they won them or did they perhaps BUY them?

Kai Toeban
Posted - 2007.03.04 11:46:00 - [103]
 

they would have payed uber isks for them and had only a few from agents

Magnum III
Journey On Squad
Posted - 2007.03.04 11:54:00 - [104]
 

Edited by: Magnum III on 04/03/2007 11:56:38
Originally by: Mortania
Edited by: Mortania on 02/03/2007 17:09:32
Edited by: Mortania on 02/03/2007 09:07:36
Edited by: Mortania on 02/03/2007 07:11:39
Edited by: Mortania on 02/03/2007 06:12:24
Since all t2 bpos are isk printing machines, I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to make free* copies of my T2 Small EMP Smartbomb BPO that we own and give it to you.

All you have to do is EVE-Mail me with your request for a free* 10-run BPC and I will make a copy at my earliest convenience and get a contract to you. In return, you must deliver unto me 2 of the 10 you make within 1 week of when I place the contract up for you. All of the other lavish billions of ISK is yours to keep and spend as you wish.

If you don't/can't deliver in time, I will post a log of shame of all of the ignorant, jealous noobs for all the world to see.

Here it is, your piece of the pie of the wonderful world of T2 production and billions making, just an EVE-Mail and your production capabilities away.

TICK-TOCK!

13 hours later: 5 interested parties have sent me mails. I will be making my first copies starting this weekend. Let the T2 billions making begin!


I don't want billions, it would ruin the game for me and make it too easy.

But I agree that only a select few realy are made to keep the few BPO's on a few of them like Hulks or what ever.

So this invention thing is for what? I heard you can not even invent Hulks? That is abvious bull!

Magnum III
Journey On Squad
Posted - 2007.03.04 11:58:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Destruct
I blame ccp all the way.

Since the number of prints is decided by ccp, it's astonishing that they did nothing to balance the supply of them. Furthermore, they dish out even more of the prints that's hardly even suitable to wipe ones arse with effectively ruining the less then moderate income for those who still bothered to produce and yet again seed too few of the ones that were actually desirable.

Imo, all that was needed, was that ccp would actually look at all the statistics they so conviniently have available and balance the t2 production a bit. Nothing is wrong with the lottery!

How hard can that be?






It seems that CCP does not want to upset some particualy BPO owners and it seems they try to create the game around them.

I mean realy, how hard is it to put out more Hulk bpo's?

James Duar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.03.04 11:59:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Gamesguy
A quick browse through your corporation's website(which you are the CEO of) reveals the following:


Purchaseable T2 Items

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1MN Afterburner II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Magnetic Membrane II
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Explosion Dampening Amplifier II
Flycatcher
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Havoc Fury Heavy Missile II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Magnetic Plating II
Medium EMP Smartbomb II
Medium Shield Booster II
Miner II
Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II
Reactive Plating II
Reflective Plating II
Scourge Precision Heavy Missile II
Signal Amplifier II
Small Armor Repairer II
Small Capacitor Booster II
Small EMP Smartbomb II
Small Energy Transfer Array II
Small Shield Extender II

Try offering those next time, I even bolded them for you. Bye now.Laughing

Wow...just Wow. The OP in this thread and the argument this person has on-goingly presented become staggeringly biased. I mean not only are they making some argument about T2 BPOs that can be invalidated logically about 6 different ways, but, oh yeah, would they be hurt if they lost their T2 BPOs - HELL YES.

Because of course that was the thing I just didn't get. If you never made any money off a T2 Small Smartbomb BPO, then why would you care if CCP took it away/converted it into a multi-run BPC.

Wow. Rolling Eyes

Quilan Ziller
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.03.04 13:04:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Gamesguy
A quick browse through your corporation's website(which you are the CEO of) reveals the following:


Purchaseable T2 Items

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1MN Afterburner II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Magnetic Membrane II
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Explosion Dampening Amplifier II
Flycatcher
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Havoc Fury Heavy Missile II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Magnetic Plating II
Medium EMP Smartbomb II
Medium Shield Booster II
Miner II
Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II
Reactive Plating II
Reflective Plating II
Scourge Precision Heavy Missile II
Signal Amplifier II
Small Armor Repairer II
Small Capacitor Booster II
Small EMP Smartbomb II
Small Energy Transfer Array II
Small Shield Extender II

Try offering those next time, I even bolded them for you. Bye now.Laughing


Priceless. Simply priceless.
Now everything falls into place - like in the game of Tetris. It is just like Big Oil propaganda IRL Laughing

To the OP: don't bother posting to this thread anymore.
Gamesguy here has won this thread fair and square LaughingLaughingLaughing

Quilan Ziller
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2007.03.04 13:13:00 - [108]
 

To summarize...

T2 Smartbomb BPO (and other useless T2 BPOs) are NOT ISK printers, and everyone knows that.

"Good" T2 BPOs (ships, widely used modules) are ISK printers, and everyone knows that.

When people utter the words "T2 BPO", they mean the latter ("good") type of BPO only, not the T2 EMP Smartbomb.

"Good" T2 BPOs bring in dispropotionately high rewards for the relatively small labor investment. Thus, they are unbalanced from the game mechanics standpoint, and need to be nerfed deep into the ground with a big hammer.

How the said nerf should be achieved is open to debate. They can be taken away or converted to BPCs (there was a precedent for that in EVE's history). Invention can be improved in such a way as to equalize the cost of production from a BPO or from an invented BPC. There might be other ways.

The end result of this needed change should be the elimination of a T2 BPO as a perpetual ISK printer, and the creation of a truly competitive T2 market.

Martosh Toma
Gallente
Fraction Investment
Posted - 2007.03.04 13:17:00 - [109]
 

you expect have's to have no say in a discussion about ownwership?
or you disquallify their arguments because they have something?

that is like sugesting removing capital ships fom eve and ignoring every capital ship owner.

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.03.04 22:30:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Martosh Toma
Gamesguy, If they have that many, do you think they won them or did they perhaps BUY them?



The problem is its a self-perpetuating cycle. A person wins through luck a decent T2 BPO, s/he starts printing isks.

A month later he uses his profts to acquire another one, then another, and another, etc. Its a classical example of "the rich get richer".

James Duar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2007.03.04 23:35:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Martosh Toma
you expect have's to have no say in a discussion about ownwership?
or you disquallify their arguments because they have something?

that is like sugesting removing capital ships fom eve and ignoring every capital ship owner.

No what we expect is for them not to mis-represent themselves in order to try and make the argument i.e. they haven't actually presented a cogent rebuttal, they've just straw-manned the argument.

The OP doesn't actually care about the argument, or have a decent argument why T2 BPOs that are profit making are in anyway a fair or sensible system. Instead they care about protecting their own massive collection of T2 BPOs that are ISK printers from being taken away from them. So we can safely discount their (non)argument.

Nikla Uthaan
Caldari
Posted - 2007.03.04 23:56:00 - [112]
 

On an unrelated note, people think hi sec mission running should be nerfed because it's ISK without risk.

Hikari Kobayashi
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2007.03.05 03:55:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Originally by: James Duar
Wow! It would almost seem like you're trying to straw-man the position that a T2 BPO is an ISK printing machine by pointing out how your's isn't.

But wait a minute! No one uses smartbombs to start with! Everyone wants a faster, better, stronger cruiser! Maybe there would be a huge mark up on a limited supply item which everyone wants! Could it possibly be, that in fact there's a strong differential in the value of T2 items based on their usages and desirability as T1 items, and that perhaps the existence of T2 BPOs that are not profitable doesn't change the problem cited with T2, that it gives certain individuals, by chance, huge wealth possibilities?

No of course not! Because that type of thinking is completely irrational Rolling Eyes


In Rens those modules are selling for a whole...wait for it... 75k each !!!! isk printer indeed.

You seem to have missed his point completely...

Arian Snow
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2007.03.05 05:08:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Mortania


The purpose of this thread is to give away free* BPCs so that anyone who wants to can experience the billions making and AFK riches of T2 production.


Then please give me BPC of your HAC BPO...

The issue have never been about non-popular T2 Bpo's. So quit this farce allready. You make sense at times but you seemingly arent fully wanting to prove how ****ty it is to be a T2 Bpo holder. Give proof that owning a HAC Bpo isn't hideously profitable or stop making these obscene posts!

BTW. you cannot compare the t2 lottery to any RL lottery. No RL Lottery dictates any nations economy.

Martosh Toma
Gallente
Fraction Investment
Posted - 2007.03.05 09:24:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: James Duar

No what we expect is for them not to mis-represent themselves in order to try and make the argument i.e. they haven't actually presented a cogent rebuttal, they've just straw-manned the argument.

The OP doesn't actually care about the argument, or have a decent argument why T2 BPOs that are profit making are in anyway a fair or sensible system. Instead they care about protecting their own massive collection of T2 BPOs that are ISK printers from being taken away from them. So we can safely discount their (non)argument.


But you are wrong there. The OP has clearly expressed an intrest in doing something about the excesses.
She just does not believe removing the bpo's will help either her nor you.
I hope that invention will become a more and more viable compettitor of t2 bpo production.
I hope that t3 introduction will be done trough the invention process first.
With some controlled method of introducing a limited amount of bpo's later. (much like t2 scrams are being introduced now)

The bpo lottery and Invention offer different advantages
-The lotery
It ensures that at least some of the bpo end up outside the t2 producing giants. What happens after their introduction is not under ccp's controll
having the bpo in game with its cheaper production cost will allow a module to be produced even if demand is low (allowing the market to pick up on an increase in demand).
-Invention
You have a much higher degree of controll what you are producing
everyone can get into it (and the investment is smaller than buying a high value bpo is currently)
Any product that shows potential will be produced en masse driving the price down.
any product that shows no appearent profit will be ignored as production cost is high.

If you attach bpo generation to the invention process then the people that are now bpo compettitors will be slowly turned into owners. this will strengthen their hold on the high tech market
you will simply be making the next generation of haves. I would rather see them kept seperate.

As to invention being too expensive, CCP is working on that. RP cost for date cores will be reduced. Datacore creation limits will be removed. Drop rates increased. That is all they can do on their end without making the system useless. The rest will be up to the market. And as long as the module prices are high the datacore seller will want their piece of the pie. So with increased production, slowly the economics will do its work and step by step the module prices will drop to a more accepteble level and production cost will decrease likewise.

On a side note I can certainly understand ccp's hesitation in releasing the drone and ammo to invention
Drones are simply not expensive enough to be produced with invention as it is rigged for modules. much like modules would be to expensive if done the same way as ships
so a third invention level needs to be introduced, this takes time to aim properly and they need to aim it right. (If you want them to release it as if it is a normal module, then by all means ask them to, will be no skin of my back if they do)
In addition not all drone bpo and certainly not all ammo bpo are in production. so some tweaking has to be done there first to make t2 ammo production at least as profiteble as general t1 production (counting in profit per factory hour, not just mineral cost/round).
That leaves us with the last unreleased group the barges/exhumers. Lets just say I personally hope these will be added to invention pretty soon. I can use the increased mineral influx.








Mr Gimlet
Posted - 2007.03.05 11:38:00 - [116]
 

I am a tech 2 lucky lottery winner. I have 2 frigate prints (cov ops and ceptor) mega beam 2 and sabretooth fury lit missiles.

Where as the 2 ships are ok and make me a bit of profit (maybe 30mill profit a week combined - and yes this is true) the two other prints make so little money I do not even produce them to sell, but purely for me and my corp mates own use (and no I dont want to sell them as I use the items.

Mega beam 2 is infact a great example of a tech 2 item not making any money. The skills tree is too long and the item is not flavour of the month, so nobody in their right mind trains up for large beam laser 2. you can pick these up for as low as 1.5 mill, and this reduces the profits to less than nothing (consider that a mega beam 1 costs in the region of 1M to build in the first place) And there is no way I am giving the stuff away.

Infact reading what I just posted (I am a bit slow on the uptake) I am not going to make them anymore - I will buy them cheap off the market and frame the BPO and hang it on the office wall Shocked

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2007.03.05 11:40:00 - [117]
 

Best post I ever seen. If there were a 'favourite' option on the forums I'd add the OP to that.

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2007.03.05 18:37:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: Gamesguy on 05/03/2007 18:35:12
Originally by: Mr Gimlet

Mega beam 2 is infact a great example of a tech 2 item not making any money. The skills tree is too long and the item is not flavour of the month, so nobody in their right mind trains up for large beam laser 2. you can pick these up for as low as 1.5 mill, and this reduces the profits to less than nothing (consider that a mega beam 1 costs in the region of 1M to build in the first place) And there is no way I am giving the stuff away.

Infact reading what I just posted (I am a bit slow on the uptake) I am not going to make them anymore - I will buy them cheap off the market and frame the BPO and hang it on the office wall Shocked


Actually, megabeam II isnt making any money not because of the training time, but because 1, amarr is by far the weakest race atm, and 2, tachyons are so much better.

In fleet fights the only things that matters is alpha, dps(less so) and range, and tachyons are better in every aspect compared to megabeam when you only take those two into account. Not to mention 2nd tier lasers(which is what megabeam basically are) are always dirt cheap because downgrading lasers have such a huge penalty(compared to acs or blasters), so people dont like to downgrade them.

Mortania
Minmatar
No Compromise
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2007.03.06 06:21:00 - [119]
 

Edited by: Mortania on 06/03/2007 06:30:35
Originally by: Quilan Ziller
Originally by: Gamesguy
A quick browse through your corporation's website(which you are the CEO of) reveals the following:


Purchaseable T2 Items

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1MN Afterburner II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Magnetic Membrane II
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Explosion Dampening Amplifier II
Flycatcher
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II
Havoc Fury Heavy Missile II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
Magnetic Plating II
Medium EMP Smartbomb II
Medium Shield Booster II
Miner II
Modulated Deep Core Strip Miner II
Reactive Plating II
Reflective Plating II
Scourge Precision Heavy Missile II
Signal Amplifier II
Small Armor Repairer II
Small Capacitor Booster II
Small EMP Smartbomb II
Small Energy Transfer Array II
Small Shield Extender II

Try offering those next time, I even bolded them for you. Bye now.Laughing


Priceless. Simply priceless.
Now everything falls into place - like in the game of Tetris. It is just like Big Oil propaganda IRL Laughing

To the OP: don't bother posting to this thread anymore.
Gamesguy here has won this thread fair and square LaughingLaughingLaughing


I never tried to hide, nor claimed I didn't own any better BPOs. I think, quite the contrary, I said that I've run many money making BPOs.

Of COURSE, I have a vested interest in BPOs remaining in the game. As a corp we have worked hard and invested 10s of billions in them. I suspect if people where advocating that all titans be removed without so much as a how do you do, that a corp that had 3 or 4 of them would be concerned with that decision.

For posterity, we're currently operating exactly 1 of our t2 bpos right now. The logistics and profit are such that we're not currently bothering. EANM, if you hadn't guessed.

Flycatcher makes about 125M profit a week, I make more selling BPCs.
MDCSM II doesn't sell for anything. Can't come close to maxing out. In the last week in The Forge only 70 sold. That would be one person selling a week's run. There are 20 people competing for your business, or more. profit is about 50M. Ship sales far outweigh this.
SAR II is again about 100M or so a week. Freighter service well outstrips this.

More free advice to the ignorant:
Cap ship sales:
Sell a freighter every other week, profit: 125M a week.
Sell a carrier every other week, profit: 200M+ a week.
Mineral sales:
Buy low, sell high, profit: $$$ more than you can possibly imagine.

T2 sales are indeed a portion of our industry, but it isn't Ishtar money, it isn't Hulk money. Carbide represents, I suspect, the majority of T2 BPO holders out there. People making some money with T2 BPOs, but only a portion of their income, and they've bought all nearly all of the important ones.

We normally make more out of T1 and other sales than T2 ever is. T1 that everyone has access to. T1 that is purchaseable on the market by everyone.

So, if ISK is your concern, there are hundreds of ways to make 100s of Millions a week. engage in them, with vigor, focus and purpose. If you believe T2 is ride to freedom, then invest your earnings in a T2 BPO, like we have, and engage in that activity.

I suspect that 9 out of the 10 people who've posted to burn all T2 BPOs haven't even begun to try invention yet, their supposed savior.

Stop being lazy. Go earn your future.

PS: I did say if this one went well, I'd consider doing more valuable give aways. Maybe one of the 8 people who've sent me an eve mail might find an offer for a free* flycatcher BPC in the future.


Brixer
Dai Dai Hai
Posted - 2007.03.06 06:41:00 - [120]
 

What?

You sit on a lot of BPOs and doesn't even bother if they make 100m a week or less?
Can I borrow you SAR II please? I'm using A LOT of these on tacklers.

Or are someone else making SAR IIs and you get a small fee for *NOT* producing them, thereby keeping the other producer happy ?

CCP should make 'melted T2 BPOs' imo.. If you don't produce anything from a T2 BPO in the duration of 2 months it become a melted one and reseeded.


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